Anybody else kind of tired of /biz/? It used to be fun, anons used to be funny. There was a perfect mixture of actual in-detail business and financial discussions, along with schizo and shitposting that was actually funny.Now it's just boring. The schizoposting isn't funny, the shitposting isn't funny, it's just the same spammed threads over and over again. There is zero alpha and the business questions are things that can be self-taught with a 5 minute Google search. /pol/tards have flooded the board, lowering the IQ of /biz/ by at least 30 IQ points.Any oldfags here know that it's been a slow downgrade over the last 10 years. But, the last 5 seems like it went from a downhill slope to falling off of a cliff.Why do you think this happened and what do you think could be done to improve /biz/?
>>62596355People lost their money and gains years ago and generally gave up on making it. Others are stuck in 5 or 6 figure hell for years because all the money and pumps have evaporated. Those who made it left and are living their life or coping with hobbies and other distractions in the real world.
This board is a reverse filter for intelligence. Those who are smart make it and leave, meaning overtime you're left with the dummies who don't.
>>62596355I’m a 2017 newfren who did alright. I seem to just come from habit. The quality is low because it’s mostly people wanting to make a quick buck and don’t want to do any work, it seems like, who are a dime a dozen. They don’t actually have an edge or don’t even realize they don’t have an edge and are just harming themselves
I come here twice a day, once in the morning to report all the "If you aren't in the 10%" bot posts and later in the evening to shitpost.
yeah noI've been here since the board was createdIt used to be full of pump and dump spam, real pump and dump scams everywhere, in every thread.
>>62596355I'm gettin tired of your attitude. Maybe you should lighten up.
>>62596355> why doesn't anyone buy crypto anymore> *stretch* welp> Time to whine in public that I'm not getting what I want.Your time is limited. If this is how you want to use it, OKThere will be a time where mercy is no longer extended to the intellectually lazy. You inevitably will end up in the wrong person's way. I will not be helping you then either.
/biz/ is OK, especially relative to other boards
You should see pol downfall
>>62596355bottom signal
I was around for the 30 year old boomer memes and the sharpie up the pooper for crypto posts. I've seen the whole rise and fall of countless cryptocurrencies eventually you run out of other people to push crypto on. The Coldcard hack was the final straw, it was the crypto 9/11 and 10/7 combined. I don't even look at buttcoin anymore because its like laughing at disabled people. I don't trust anything to do with cryptocurrencies anymore. Meanwhile I'm fed up of seeing minimum wage workers get harassed or even assaulted for Pokémon cards.
The coldcard hack wasn't that bad. On one hand, I agree that coldcard put out a shit product and should face all the consequences. But on the other hand, and I realize it's no true scottsman fallacy, if you go so far as to use a coldcard because you don't trust trezor or ledger, go the extra mile and roll your own entropy. I think the blame falls on coldcard and the maxifag influencers who had shilled coldcard without pushing maxifag principles of rolling your own entropy as well.
Why effort post when there's like 30 ips on standby to call you a tranny for not feeding the echo chamber
Niche business opportunity, create a hardware wallet with no rng to force the user to roll the dice on their own
>>62596596There is no reason to admit defeat early while the roots still stand. Your perspective is shallow because you are blind.You have no foundation. You experience no belonging. Seek acceptance. This is financial advice.
>>62596616No it's the truth. I fondly remember when anons would have actual discussions and actually be open to sharing and learning. Now nobody wants to do any of that, and the board is polluted with bots and shills for shit like GME type memestocks and Link who are not open to good faith discussions and only wish to advertise their yoke
This board used to be full of jeets spamming meme coins and obvious rug pulls, I don't know what nostalgia glasses you are wearing
>>62596624Smg is still good
>>62596372>>62596355No wonder people hate NFT and distrust anything crypto related, you can do so many scams until the public trust is eroded
>>62596624It's your problem. If you are not strong as 30fold or greater is not my or any other anon's concern.Appreciate your opinion, but you admit plainly you are not equipped to fight. Then quietly melt away please back into your role. If you will not fight, you will serve in whatever way befits you. You will do so even unwillingly because your mind is so easily swayed.I have sympathy for you I really do. It's living torture to see the target in sight but know you will never reach it.Your words do nothing but demoralize.Call your parents.
>>62596417Yeah the whole site is in decline. I chalk it up primarily to an aging userbase.
>>62596627Agreed I like /smg/, it's where I've spent most of my /biz/ browsing last couple years >>62596648>Gptslop name callingOk :)
>>62596626They spammed I agree, but there were also actual discussions in between. I do agree the spam is much better than ever before, thanks jannies
some of what i seen as badobvious shitcoin posting flood so you dont get infos on actually good coins. missed out on some!nft spammingmissed out on the whole AI boom>too much shit which you cant filter from the good infos
Yeah /biz/ is fucking BS.What other boards or even places on the internet do you guys lurk in?
>>62596686What is there to discuss anymore? Crypto is on life support and may never recover, trad markets are manipulated as fuck. We can all doompost about how fucked the economy is, or post memes. That's about it
>>62596745>Trad markets are manipulated as fuckI think there's plenty of knowledge to be had for this board still that people don't have. In the past there have been anons on this board that dealt heavily in exotic instruments in tradfi and taught me much.
>>62596355Good I want it to be just me and a couple Jannie’s and the link niggers left here. Then we can start the real fucking party. >New game, anywho who fucking holds more cash than they need in this new world will be feeling the effects of MELTING, a preview of hell. The floor is lava, the shower is acid. >And they will not change their ways, they can’t, but they get a preview before the real eternity of hell which awaits them.
>>62596682I like being bad cop sometimes. Done for the day. My destiny is BBQ ribs.Be good
>>62596355There is no business to be made. Since the trade war, the market has completely consolidated, meaning it either all goes up or all goes down.You can no longer diversify your investments ...
>>62596355This happens at the bottom of every bear market. Everyone will come back to this place when we start pumping again.
>>62596355Back in like 2017 I felt like /biz/ was letting me catch stuff early. Even in 2020 with DeFi I still felt it a bit. Now it's all just people coping and talking about other people making money.
>>62596355Every forum relating to business, careers, etc has had a massive tone shift. People talk more about surviving than about /making it/. I think the conversation going from fantasies about your real life beginning after you make it to "everything's rigged against you and you're part of the permanent underclass if you haven't made it already" killed people's enthusiasm to research and discuss anything business related. At best you'll see outdated boglehead advice, someone who wants to start a pressure washing business, and a guy who's unironically trying to sell an excel macro he vibe-coded in 30 seconds.No one's succeeding, and the people doing well are only doing so because of their success in past years. There's very little to even talk about for action you can take proactively. All you can do is complain about how bad the economy is, or show off the money you made in the past. Why participate in that negativity at all?
>>62596772Downfall? Begins here? How pleasant
>>62596355I like modern /biz/. It's a lot like classic /pol/ before it got infested with literal shills and cointelpro
Every bullrun has a new batch of intelligent anons make it and leave, and a new batch of retards arriving.That's why this board has been in a constant downward spiral
>>62596633Yep. Happened to me. Not NFTs tho I never touched that shit.But I am never touching crypto again. Not BTC, not any of it.
I want a 2018 casino kind of run but without mentally ill troons
>>62596355You are sad and nostalgic because you can't fool normies with Bitcoin again after all that web3/nft fiasco.Grow up.
>>62596678Naw because the millennial userbase mostly moved to other websites anyway, the problem is that it's AGING because actual 50+yos keep coming here, like how facebook got ruined in the 2010s.
>>62596596oh and there's this. Some crypto projects taht don't suck exist- look at how Zcash pumped last year. But XMR baggies were seething and crying and trying to crab bucket everyone else "I've been holding for 15 years I deserve to make it". You invested in a privacy currency to buy illegal porn, retard, it's not a speculative asset. You lose. And then, like I said, they fud people out of winning assets like zcash in 2025 because /biz/ is ltierally the biggest impediment to making it.
>>62596717>missed out on the whole AI boom>>>too much shit which you cant filter from the good infos/smg/ is especially bad because it was originally /rhg/ and in 2020 was basically memestock general, but it's devolved into retarded poorfags and boomers telling people to buy 30 year funds like VTI and just "work 40 years then retire". That's not why this board exists, this board exists because people wanted some kind of news or edge that would hep them make it. No clue why so many slow growth failed normalfags come here.
>>62596825we can't post new stuff, it's all baggie cults who seethe because they see "new coin" as taking money from their baggie cult.
>>625963552.5% of Americans have 1m. Median household net worth in usa is $190k. No one is going to give you good advice or discussion
>>62597247Monero niggers have the only new businesses being created, the fuck is this crypto nerd talking about? This nigger likes to hold cash? Ok, nothing unusual there, faggot
>>62597286In 2018 XMR peaked at 400 bucksIn 2021 it peaked at 440In 2026 it peaked at 600It is now 411Your worthless shitcoin has not grown appreciably in 8 yearsYou are the cancer killing this board with your useless baggotry. Fuck off already.
>>62597297Sorry it was busy, working. It wasn’t getting drilled and pozzed by Jews like yourself. Now that it has decoupled from Bitcoin, which the Jews grew tired of in favor of AI, it’s showing its strength literally as we speak while the rest of crypto does what it was designed to do. There’s bitcoin, and there’s monero, stupid nigger.
>>62597247Lmfao zcash? Zionist cash? What actual use case project or business uses that? >from the absolute Jew niggers that brought you the shitcoin industry, pumping and dumping and made up imaginary problems, we bring you Zionist Cash (ticker zcash zek)
>>62597346>1pbtidZcash went up 40xXMR went up 4xYou are exactly the kind of loser baggot who will never make it that I am talking about.
Anyway OP as you can see this thread and board are dead because 80 IQ baggies want to hold onto loser assets that never pump and actively seethe at the ones that do pump, fud anything new posted etc. This is why the board is dead. At some point it should have gone the opposite way it did- threads like XMR and XRP should have been sent to trash to make way for actual assets that might actually have a future.
>>62597415Uh sir, your greedy Jew nose is showing. You didn’t answer my question. Enjoy burning.
/biz/ was cool before people started posting random generic westoid women. If you did it back then, someone would inevitably say "that girl is not asian." It was a cooler vibe.
This is what happens when the coins stop going up. People are also just depressed in general. Also, we can't deny that the culture hasn't changed due to millions of Browns coming online every single day. They don't appreciate art, content, or anything. They don't make memes or try to have fun on the internet. Their only goal is to extract and scam white people and other shitskins.
>and the business questions are things that can be self-taught with a 5 minute Google searchI think a lot of this is most people recognizing they can get tailored advice from LLMs now. No need to ask here when posting is slow and no guarantee anyone will visit your thread.
OP here.Thank you all for the replies. Sorry I didn't respond earlier, I was out with my mom walking in the park and we visited a few outdoor events.
>>62596355Bro Jannies have ruined this place and some of the jeets. /pol/tards are not even that bad. We don't even have good Early drops anymore
>>62596355Bring Epstein back.
>>62596355Checked and desu you right. But making money and fun/jokes never went hand in hand.
>>62596355>Why do you think this happenedIt's all downstream of biz losing alpha. You absolutely used to be able to find life-changing financial advice on this board, yes you had to dig for it and filter out a ton of noise but it was here. A community formed around that which was retarded, lively, fun, energetic, optimistic, all sorts of things born of passion and genuine interest because people knew buried deep somewhere in here was the key to actually making it, 10000x gems, high conviction full port plays, etc. That alpha moved on to CT and fintwit around 2020-21 and from there to gated telegram and discord groups around 23-24. There is nothing left here but 70iq mouthbreathers fishing around in the couch cushions for a quarter that isn't there anymore, and without the thrill of the chase and the promise of the payout there is no reason to expend energy here memeing, researching, making frens, whatever.
>>62596627You must be an Indian
>>62596379>even on my beloved 4chan the filter is cloggedthey oughta hire a janitor. i'm gonna be here forever :(
at least I have (You) here with me :)
>>62596392Your custodian assistant services are appreciated.
>>62597422this do not ever touch xmr and put it all into zcash listen to this man
>>62596355Half the threads used to be about pnd shitcoins. Besides the weekly thread about someone with no idea or work history asking about starting a doomed to fail business or threads where someone on the brink of homelessness tries to figure out how to avoid both sucking dick and working, it hardly seems any worse than 5 years ago.
>>62597840This desu. /biz/ was never good and always just as retarded as it is now. There just used to be much more posting going on when it’s not a crypto bear market.
>>62596355>the last 5 seems like it went from a downhill slope to falling off of a cliff.that's this whole site. the pandemic and the botposting made a mess of everything.
>>62596355Small delusional communities of mentally-ill individuals who can’t cope that their investments were dogshit.>GME>LINK>99% of shitcoinsObjectively these investments are down -90% compared to their highs. I don’t give a SHIT about “fundamentals” or “roadmaps” or whatever other cope.This is primarily an investment board, we’re here to make money. That’s all that matters.I still remember MONA coin, Digibyte, ARK, MiloCoin, all these investments are worthless now. Their generals finally died off years ago.Buy BTC, VOO, physical gold/silver. It’s always been that easy, but the lotto-ticket mentality “One link will be $1,000!” “GME will break the economy!”, these anons destroyed the board with their irrational fixations and legitimate mental-illnesses.They gather together, and still they bombard the board with nonsense. They’re so far gone they’ll think I’m a paid shill, when in REALITY their investment is down massively these past 5 years, whereas anything else is massively UP.It’s pathetic more than anything, I have a disdain for them.
>>62597627It’ll only get worse. Moving to Japan is the only correct answer left.
>>62597858>BTCOne thing I have never asked or heard asked is whether BTC would be relevant or out perform in a multipolar world or one in which the US can no longer afford to run a capital account surplus. I think this is equally valid for VOO and really most of the US stock market, if the plan truly is reshoring. The writing is already on the wall for gold.Atleast for equities one can easily hedge with foreign stocks.
>>62597840>>62597843Don't kid yourselves it looks like a wasteland right now.>>62596840Only thoughtful answer, probably true
>>62596355Wall St. intentionally ruined it as it was seen as a threat
>>62596355Millennials have experienced two recessions and don't trust the system. They will always try to expose the system as unfair and complain about it. I guess it is the life we have to deal with.
>>62597903BTW, a good example is AOC constantly talking about the system being unfair, but she is a retard for managing her money.
its all of 4chan. theres too many niggers, normies, zoomies, lurking and i refuse to entertain such trash. its been like this for many years btw.
>>62597903Do not forget the upcoming third one. 1929 is almost here
>>62597297Monero is literally the only true cryptocurrency. The entire rest of the market is just speculative digital shartware.
>>62596397Fr, I'm alrrady tired of this unc, no cap
>>62597829>this do not ever touch xmr and put it all into zcash listen to this mannobody actually uses zcash, it pumped out of nowhere just like every other wash traded p n' d memecoin ever so an eventual dump is inevitable since, again, nobody actually uses zcash. Its entire history is pumps and dumps, no thanks.
>>62598146A ton of crypto influencers beginning to shill ZEC at the same time could be explained by the bug that was later discovered, which allowed anyone to mint infinite amount of coins in the privacy pool.If someone found that exploit, then paying all of the top crypto influencers with ZEC in return for shilling it and creating a mega pump for exit liquidity would be the most rational approach. It would allow the exploiter to cash out an assload of minted tokens from the privacy pool without garnering too much suspicion due to the increase in volume
>>62597890What do you mean writing is on the wall for gold?
>>62596355its pretty much this >>62596379. ive been here since 2018 and i remember how high quality the posts used to be. i used to be scared of posting back then because of how smart everyone was. i started posting in 2020 and the board got worse from there. there used to be some really good advice and brand new coins here shilled every day. you could become a millionaire just by listening to memes. of course, you had to use sketchy exchanges and learn how to handle your crypto back then instead of just parking everything on coinbase like you can do now, but still, the opportunity was there.
>>62596372I'm making loads of money in /smg/.
>>62596355TLDRsad you cant post your memeshoins?
>>62596355Biz is better now than it was in 2024 but traffic is dead so I only come back a couple times a week. I don’t treat it as a place to find good alpha anymore but to discuss money in general, which is nice, but a completely different landscape from a few years ago
>>62596392Thank u for ur service
>>625989462024 was way better since you actually could make money and there were several /biz/ airdrops that actually gave money.
>>62600542> airdrops
>>62596648 bot
>>62596355jannies aka trannies ruined this place they should all die
>>62596627The thread with the jeet spamming disgusting looking AI characters? That's a good thread?
biz died when the doge and hbar hodlers left
If jeets were rangebanned, /biz/ would be much more lively and organic. Instead it's the same anti-pm posts and pro-shitcoin and ai posts over and over. The same jeet has fudded /pmg/ for years.
>>62596355better than the white european cryptoscams
>>62596355I come here to Bezos post most weekends and and the odd 'get back to work wagie' midweeker
>>62596355this has to be the most melanin-rich board on the siteonly thirdies would keep coming here trying to make money.
>>62597893see you tomorrow tard
>>62601998>>62602065
>>62596355hey OP someone took your dogshit thread and made it betterKWAB
>>62598624What are your plays and what got you here
>>62596355>Why do you think this happenedThe mandatory IQ test to post filtered most of the funny and based posts. Then the high IQ posters left because the posts were no longer funny or based.
In 2018, there was a low barrier to entry to huge potential gains, with many possible opportunities with some promising, exciting projects, and there were only a few hundred to assess to try and pick a winner.Now, there are tens of thousands of coins in crypto to assess, there are so many scams, it's much easier to fake the backstory (team, social proof etc.), and there is simply target confusion.For other items, coins like Link which have done a lot of things (though also had many fuck ups) the "right way" aren't getting rewarded in terms of price action, leading holder to feel disenfranchised and bitter.In terms of exciting AI and robotics companies and many other frontiers, they seem either totally private in terms of investment opportunities so out of reach for the common 4chan user, or there is too much unknown, again with some target confusion, especially given the black box type tech that is in a lot of AIBasically, back then it was easy to find a winner, now it's very difficult, and often so difficult that it's overwhelming.
