>price above 500 rn>weekly probably at around 450 fair price>monthly around 420 or lowerIt’s clear the moneychangers are stocking up, 10% moves upwards are bad for business, but good for financial jewery. Monero gonna settle down in Sept? Or we going to keep going up? I’m saying I don’t care either way, but, 500 steady this month after all these moves would be best. As the other general devolves every time into some niggerfrenzy about fuck knows what, this new biz general is for XMR business owners or conglomerates only. >• If you post in this thread and do not own a XMR bizness, there are consequences •
ALTcoin not neededprivacy on bitcoin with coinjoin, LN, tormoNEGRO banned on exchanges, and will not get many of the serious onramps, because it failed to play the ball so to speak and trick the governments of the world into supporting it
>>62643616Fuck shitcoins, fuck the 40 trillion debt which has come due, fuck the banker scum. The ones who banned XMR, can’t unban it now. THEY are banned.
>>62643651Nigger who is clearly not an XMR biz owner, your thoughts are DISCARDED. Your boy Satan will come show you what your ban of XMR means for you all going forward.
>>62643670>*no arguments*>*random screaming*>*projections*ah yes, the typical moNEGRO in action
>>62643714Old tired arguments anon. Old news. This forum is too small for the both of us, and too small for you to hide.
>>62643651>Just perform 15 steps to have tainted coins as a permanent liabilityNo, thanks!
>>62643651>not fungiblelel
>>62643799>>not fungible>lelevery coin is fungible after CJ, do it few times and there you go, you uneducated moNEGRO>>62643783>>Just perform 15 steps to have tainted coins as a permanent liability>moNEGRO: perform 3 steps to have tainted coins as a permanent liability (all XMR is banned)LULZ :DAlso, you can't really have Bitcoin coins "tainted" like that, as you can't be sure what is coinjoin and what is just batch transaction.but how would an altcoin pushing jeet like you know any of this
>>62643915>have everyone in the world go through a convoluted process perfectly just so that my shitcoin can achieve fungibility (a core feature of a currency) instead of a clearly better and easier option so that I can pump my bags that have been hijacked from the beginning by ZOG and EpsteinNah fuck off
>>62643936>have everyone in the world go through a convoluted process perfectlyalready wrong here, moNEGROer - it's enough if some of the people in your coinjoin group do it, or just sometimes - so you repeat the process few times, using a proper wallet that does this.educate yourself blackie, instead of stealing my cadilaci
>>62643915>>moNEGRO: perform 3 steps to have tainted coins as a permanent liability (all XMR is banned)With monero you perform a single step and none of the coins are tainted because they are all perfectly fungible. Also XMR is only banned off CEXes which repeatedly have shown to violate your rights. Be a real man and do P2P trades (still entirely legal everywhere). >Also, you can't really have Bitcoin coins "tainted" like that, Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
>>62643942>Bro my anonymity set is so high when just a few people are part of it and it's entirely optionalYou sound like you'd LOVE zioncash
>>62643942>have everyone in the world join a coin coinjoin groupchat and then…..It’s pathetic that you think this is a solution. I’m sorry that technology improved and your ossified brain couldn’t accommodate the new information. You will literally see your precious bitcoin get flipped by a genuinely revolutionary asset. And the minute Bitcoin stops being #1, it will immediately become irrelevant, as it is a shitcoin.
>>62643945>>>moNEGRO: perform 3 steps to have tainted coins as a permanent liability (all XMR is banned)>With monero you perform a single stepwith Bitcoin you tell a cj-mixing wallet to do this stuff and it does it (or can do it if someone needs), easy as.>and none of the coins are tainted because they are all perfectly fungible.all of them are tainted because they are all moNEGRO coins, each and every one of them is trying hard to do anonymityif you punish for anonymity, then you blacklist every single XMR coin, simple as.with BTC... you can't blacklist every BTC that doesn't directly come from a miner, or that was recently in multi output transactions / or that doesn't directly come from KYC exchanges/custodials or ones that were in one transaction with them.that is why BTC won, and moNEGROs lost
>>62643942There was ONE fucking rule, and you broke it>• If you post in this thread and do not own a XMR bizness, there are consequences •Jannies stand down and stand ready. This is beyond your pay grade the doom that will be inflicted on this nigger right here
>>62644025altcoiner gets mad, once all his arguments are defeated.XMR lost, it's no longer even in top10 LOOOLtoken TOTALLY not needed.
>>62644035Whst arguments? It is called melting, get used to it
>>62644018>with Bitcoin you tell a cj-mixing wallet to do this stuff and it does it (or can do it if someone needs), easy as.Oh yeah let's just increase the complexity of our software, surely that'll reduce the attack surface of our optional privacy network, right? >all of them are tainted because they are all moNEGRO coins, each and every one of them is trying hard to do anonymityAbsolutely retarded take. Monero has multiple goals which simply make it preferable to BTC. You reduce the anonymity set of all by making anonymity not the default and optional, while also making it so that all BTC that interact with cj in anyway are tainted. So 1 BTC != 1 BTC. That this directly leads to a value of 0 should be obvious to everyone, even the biggest shill. >you can't blacklist every BTCWhy is that impossible? Please tell me the exact tech that BTC has that isn't present in XMR that makes it impossible to be banned. Pro-Tip: The centralization of mining in BTC isn't helping your case. The AML laws used against XMR could be used against BTC tomorrow morning if govts really set their minds to it, instead they let you have your completely transparent ledger as controlled opposition.
>>62643616Bismillah, may mischief making intruders be warned. وَقِيلَ ٱلْيَوْمَ نَنسَىٰكُمْ كَمَا نَسِيتُمْ لِقَآءَ يَوْمِكُمْ هَـٰذَا وَمَأْوَىٰكُمُ ٱلنَّارُ وَمَا لَكُم مِّن نَّـٰصِرِينَ
>>62644018>the ENTIRE argument centers around what is or isn’t bannable or blacklistable So you’re just a compliancecuck. Absolutely no different than ZEC. In case you never read Satoshi, the whole point of cryptocurrency is to be censorship resistant. That doesn’t mean “contort yourself to comply” it means “have so much utility/grassroots support that attempting to ban you is completely ineffective/impossible”All of the decisions that Bitcoin has made since, like 2012, has been to court institutions to buy your bags. All of the decisions that Monero has made since its creation has been to become GENUINELY censorship resistant.Let’s see who wins in the long run :)
>>62644078This isn't lebanon, he's a tripfag. I still love him tho
>>62644054>>coin without mixing>BAD!!! we need privacy!111>>coin with mixing>BAD!!! too complex!111lolwhat a shill.also, mixing coins in Bitcoin is the simplest thing ever (on chain result) - you just have a transaction that has many inputs and many outputs, same as usual. you just prepare it in coordination with other people so it gives extra privacywhile 100% backward compatiblewhile hard to definitely detect if you even mixed or not.the ideal anonymity tool, optional. that is how Bitcoin won. Keep seething altcoiner :3
>>62644099>>BAD!!! we need privacy!111Correct but we also need anonymity and we need both by default, for all>>BAD!!! too complex!111Correct. Artificially increasing software complexity, especially by grafting new bs on top of of bs, directly leads to bugs and an increased attack surface. Even /g/ knows this and they're completely tech illiterate. Your incompetence is shown by you thinking this is about UX complexity and not technological complexity. >the ideal anonymity tool, optionalThe ideal anonymity tool can not be optional since that automatically reduces the anonymity set and increases the likelihood of user errors leading to leaking of sensitive data. Consult picrel to understand your position. >Keep seething altcoiner :3I'm making an example of you. You're retarded, in love with the jewish financial system and against Christ's word. Your mask is beginning to slip which is an amazing feat, I thought your hooked nose could hold onto it longer.
>>62644107>Correct. Artificially increasing software complexity, especially by grafting new bs on top of of bsas I just explained - and you of course ignored because you are paid ot shill - adding coin join is the simplest - it changes NOTHING compared to "regular" transactions, as for the consensus, mining and all that.
>>62644163>Still confuses UX complexity with code complexityI almost feel bad pointing this out. It'd be much funnier to see you kvetch about coinjoin doing nothing at all but somehow being super secure
>>62644163Wow amazing hopefully you can attach some shitty mixing service to bitcoin and convince a bunch of people to do it and maybe <5% of Bitcoin transactions will have some degree of effective privacy and then you can convince all the institutions and CEXes to keep your shitcoin directly attached to the fiat global money spigot. Because that’s what matters, right?
>>62643651I'll take "private at the protocol level" please
>>62644177>*I do not understand consensus/fullnode versus just arranging transactions*LOLyou are so stupid, look:moNEGRo needed to complicated its main node code, to do that shit.bitcoin doesn't do anything like that (for anonymity) in bitcoin core or in other full verification nodes. the mixing thing can be added totally externally. that is far safer, nothing in Bitcoin Core needs to be adjusted for that. Superior solutions.altcoiner minds can't comprehend how Bitcoin won by these types of smart design.
>>62644177>>>62644233>nooo we must NOT do privacy in node that is bad!>>62644229>I'll take "private at the protocol level" pleasehahhahaha. keep seething, falling further into irrelevance
>>62644233>bitcoin doesn't do anything like that (for anonymity) in bitcoin core or in other full verification nodes.Right and that’s the problem. It’s not private and therefore not fungible at the protocol level. So it needs to do these stopgap patch “solutions” that don’t really fix the overall problem, and are engineered solely with maintaining compliance with money laundering regulations in mind (kek). Really sounds like peer to peer digital cash
>>62644284>>bitcoin doesn't do anything like that (for anonymity) in bitcoin core or in other full verification nodes.>Right and that’s the problem.+ bitcoincore is simpler (the thing you 2 shills, or shill from 2 IPs, just above complained they need)+ gov doesn't bitch about btc being too anon (by default), so it will get billions $$$$$ from gov building national reserves, sooner or later, otherwise it would share the sad fate of monero+ bitcoin is not banned on most onramps/offramps available to normies (the vast majority)+ bitcoin is more friendly also towards all the normal businesses, companies and so on. none of them will touch XMR shit- your anonymity set is not "all users", but "the users that opted into that", how ever...+ ...that still might be more than monero users, in total numbers, due to wild popularity of BTC+ that still is enough, you can't arrest 10000 people over some mixed transactions+/- perhaps ideal anonymity in money is not that perfect, at least for now until it matured - some thieves moving biggest thefts have some problems with that, hidding millions is more work+ in future there are other solutions for Bitcoin, perhaps better thant what XMR is doing, we can always fork that inOverall, this is the winning strategy.Shouting like a moNEGRO shill LOL LOL DRUG MONEY HERE DING DING DING YOU CAN'T CATCH ME is not really that helpful for everyone.
>>62644237>falling further into irrelevanceI'm up 500%
>>62643616As I see others devolving this thread I ask not what monero can do for you, but what it can do for now. As no one thus far has better suggestion, and no Monero Conglomerate holder has taken the floor as a Monero biz owner I say 500 it is then, we will need 500 until approximately sept 15th, for stability against the growing financialitagation quagmire. >What happened to the retarded buy or sell walls of old
>>62644329See>>62644083Absolutely pathetic that EVERY ONE of your so-called “design choices” is just a thinly veiled attempt to get a pump from tradfi. You will lose because you put a higher emphasis on pumpanomics than the utility provided to the end user.
>>62644483If BTC hits 70k again inexplicably and Monero holds 500, that’s a strong decoupling vibe
>>62643651> banned on exchangespicrel>thorchain just listed xmrhttps://blog.thorchain.org/thorchain-protocol-upgrade-v3-20
>>62643651>governments of the worldall exchanges in iran listed xmr last month
>>62644233>BTC + coinjoin + 14 other opsec steps just to have privacy (not anonymity) is so secure>But it's also not technologically complex despite BTC being entirely different from our goalsThat's called a contradiction. If your coin worked the jews would not be in it
Zcash won! Pedocoin lost!
Bitfags don't understand the first fucking thing about OpSec best practices. All you need to know about all these BTC mixing techniques is that if they actually worked and reliably kept users safe, you'd see them being used on darknet markets. Namely: there's no reason not to use tech that actually gets the job done, especially when the stakes are so high.But that's not what we see. Instead, we see DNMs abandoning BTC and standardizing around a Monero-only approach while issuing warnings to never touch BTC. Nuff said.>>62644855>Zcash won! Pedocoin lost!Zcash is a wash-traded memecoin propped up entirely by astroturfing. Nobody actually uses it as a privacy coin, it can't get the time of day on the darknet so its adoption prospects are pretty dismal. Ain't nobody going to trust something the paranoid darknet privacy gurus refuse to touch.
WHAT IS GOING ON
>>62644594>all exchanges in irankek
>>62645088>kek>literally enabling the continued use of money in heavily sanctioned regimes>literally taking away from ZOG the power of economic warfare against anyone the Jews don’t like>fulfilling the actual fucking purpose of cryptocurrency >kekSpoken like a fagcoiner
pump hit 545 last night
>>62645573>/biz/ doesn't participate in the 4cc anymorewhere did it all go so wrong?
>>62645751the 2021 crash killed the last bit of fun on this boardall the degens and scammers moved to prediction markets
>>62645573I wonder if another big hack happened or if it’s a natural pump due to ZEC hitting aths
>>62645814like the other anon said, thorchain listing(using serai code) and serai audits just finished, along with super sanctioned iran accepting xmr on exchanges the userbase is increasing and with fcmp++ in the coming months, dex listings will be easier
>>62645814>a natural pump due to ZEC hitting athsKek
>>62645814>ZEC hitting athsWash trading creates off-chain pumps? Wtf?
>>62645573>>62644483420, 480, 500 and beyond in a wk. The fjck is buying? It must be the Russians. >it’s the god damned Russians
