>gives workers ownership of the means of production >commies still angry Make it make sense
>what is insider trading>what is being too poor to pay your bills (and therefore too poor to invest)>what is market manipulation Need I go on?
>>62682190These are literally all things that happened and happen under commie rule tho
>>62682186>workers>just hedge fund kikes manipulating endlessly to steal from said workers
>>62682190>>62682201Just don’t sell?
>>62682201There's nothing stopping you from buying a share of Lockheed Martin for $100 right now son
>>62682186This. Workers these days are just envious the risk takers are enjoying the fruits of their investments while workers still need to work. Fuck them. I am glad life keeps getting harder for the bottom 90%.
>>62682199I'm not saying communism is a better system (it's way worse), but the idea that the stock exchange is distributing the means of production to the workers is a lie and you know it
>>62682208Nothing stopping you from buying stock in a company and owning the means of production yourself
>>62682201>>62682202>>62682204>manipulating>sell>buyStop right there. TOO much. I feel like I'm too stupid. It's literally too complicated for me. People can lose. I can lose. That scares me. People are mean about it too. Doesn't feel good. Sorry, I'm OUT!
>>62682208It isn’t a lie. Stay mad.
>>62682212Yes, because i'm not lower class. As I said, it's a tool made for the middle class and above to generate wealth, but the wealth you generate goes down with how low your class is, which is why the stock hasn't inverted the wealth hierarchy we've known for centuries and more : the well educated and rich families make money while the others scrape by
>>62682218Try giving a single argument and maybe people will listen to you
>>62682186It really was a beautiful system up until 2019. I'm glad I started out investing in 2000 and not now.
>>62682186>commies>internally consistentPick one and only oneThey only want 'change' as code for 'absolute power,' not to make anybody's life better (possibly not even themselves if you see how bitter and maladjusted most are)
>>62682219Stupid. The rich take more risks with the capital. The poors as you say, take no risk.
>>62682186The bottom 90% of the American population collectively owns less than 13% the stock market. The bottom 50% owns ~1% of the stock market. The top 1% alone own roughly 50% of all existing stock. Please explain how, in your mind, workers own the means of production via the stock exchange.
>>62682248Shut up. The top 8% take all the risks.
>>62682253We're talking about ownership. OP made the very straightforward claim that workers own the means of production via stock exchanges like the NASDAQ. This is untrue because the vast majority of stock is owned by the richest 10% of the country (and this isn't even getting into voting stock ownership, i.e., the stock that actually matters.)
>>62682186>unlimited money supply>rug pulls>fake books...
>>62682190Too poor? You mean too retarded. If you can't figure out how to not be poor in the US, you're literally retarded.
>>62682263Op isn’t wrong. You’re talking with leftist talking points. Also, there is a “seize the means of tech production” going around now. These fucking leftist socialists are a jealous bunch.
>>62682285>Op isn't wrong.OP is wrong, as I've explained twice now. You seem incapable of actually reading, so clearly discussion with you will not be fruitful.
>>62682186because commies are retards without impulse control.if you hand them 500 bucks, there is absolutely zero chance they'll use it to buy stocks, it will immediately go into some form of consumption
>>62682263OP implied the option is there, but consistently disregarded by the very group that claims to want exactly what the stock market affords.The stock market *was* majority used by the middle class before the great depression crash tho. They've been told its 'for experts only' ever since>>62682290>you seem incapable of actually readingWewthe most humble and gracious leftist
>>62682277fuck off u cant even get hired at mcdonalds in 2026 if u arent an illegal
>>62682219Uhhhmmmm aren't people more rich on average than they've ever been though? I think it's true worldwide as well as most countries. Of course that might not be true for certain smaller increments of time, but pretty sure it is largely true over long periods.
>>62682199>>62682186You could be the OP. I'll tag the OP anyways.Explain the differences between capitalism, socialism, and communism.
Markets increase public access to ownership, it does not municipalize ownership. Big distinction, it's why sometimes you will hear libtards bitch about how modern banking is communist
>>62682430Would you mind explaining what you mean by>modern banking?
>>62682435Sure, I believe modern banking denotes the post bretton woods banking system defined by floating rate currencies issued by a central bank and backed by debt. Often times libertarians will consider simply the act of issuing debt backed currencies to be "communist"
>>62682441Bitcoin (and Chainlink) solves this
>>62682457True, we can force the capitalists wealth on chain so it can't escape taxation comrade
Any video of a guy trying to explain to a leftist that they can just buy and hold VOO/SPY forever
>>62682460You can escape taxation now?
>>62682534Yessir, the very concept of floating rate currencies requires a level of free exchange in a nations economy that can subvert the tax authorities, exchanges which can be tracked much easier on chain
>>62682553The levels of tax evasion you're implying simply don't exist; they get immeasurably harder with just 6 figs. Evading taxes year after year on millions or billions would make you a captive state asset until that tax bill is paid, and then off to jail if you aren't connected enough, with a big showy trial if they really hate you
>>62682985That's just simply incorrect, you can go exchange your assets for euro denominated assets right now and hide those assets in tax haven countries right now. Plenty of rich people do it, to varying degrees some just move them to more tax advantaged systems not tax free ones.
>>62682186You need disposable income to invest in stocks. Also a lot of people are dumb and short-sighted, so if they have disposable income in their youth and waste it all on pleasure, they would rather cry foul on the system rather than admit their lack of discipline and mistakes. The criticism about a lot of people not having sufficient disposable income for investing is true, but it also get's co-opted by a lot of bums who want an excuse for their lack of investing.
