Guys I got promoted! I now make 65k a year! I did it, I'm upper middle class!
>>62706639Should I go out and finance a $90,000 F150? The options are limitless!
i dont get the american class system.it shouldn't really be based on salary. a low class person can still have money and keep on being low class and the reverse
>>62706656if you don't get it why would you know what it should or shouldn't be based onnot that i disagree at allif you imagine it's just the perspective of class 1 person that there are classes 1 through 5 and they are 1, and it's the perspective of a class C person that there are classes A through C and they are C, could there be a possibility that neither person 1 or C could themselves imagine
>>62706673not sure if you're retarded or being pedantic. im saying i don't get why it's based on income
>>6270663965k is excellent money for 2007.
>>62706678>65k is excellent money for 2007.Yep . It's still a good start, nevertheless , so congrats OP.
>>62706656At one point in time America had a certain level of dignity where a college degree holder would be employed for a decent salary at Wagiecorp filing paperwork and retarded drunks and whores would be scraping by. The inversion of society where you can be a gross slut or lolcow but 'likable' and get hired to a good job at Wagiecorp while 200 IQ college degree holder is told a bunch of other drunk idiots have degrees from WGU so his degree isn't worth as much (but it's still required for the job) has created the inversion whereby high class people post apus on 4chan while drunk sluts become HR ladies posting psycho eye tiktoks about how they control hiring on linkedin or whatever.
Afraid I got bad news anonUpper middle is 150k in 2026 (250k in a HCOL city)
>>6270663965k has the same purchasing power as 40k did in 2020, lmao
>>62706656Like my Pop always says, "I doesn't matter how much money you make, what matters is how much you keep."
>>62706678>>62706700I kind of made this thread as a troll thread, because I know that 65k in the year of our lord '26 is the floor of middle class. However, I have an unconventional lifestyle and basically zero debt, so for me 65K let's me live very comfortably.
>>62706771good enough for you is good enough for you grats anon
>>62706733I make 155k in slc at 30 and this actually sounds reasonable
>>62706639dude i live in a lower middle class area and nobody i know earns less than 300k
>>62706771a job well done is a job well done
>>62706700Dang I need to apply to be a CEO!
>>62706656It's completely made-up. The entire idea of "classes" comes from old aristocracy and then was carried into the modern day by Marxists, Socialists and Communists after the aristocracy effectively fell apart.Everything about classes is arbitrary today. It used to mean you belonged to a specific bloodline, or family tree. Today it just means "well, you make $50k/yr, so I guess you're lower middle-class". Even though an American making $50k/yr is effectively an aristocratic in 50% of the world. Nor does it account for how you actually behave on a day-to-day basis, or who you even interact with.I've been to poor people's homes that are completely clean, organized and have cool collectibles displayed on their walls. I've also been to rich CEO's homes, where there's 5 $100k cars in their driveway/garage, but their house is a literal dump. Dog shit in the garage, random garbage all over the floors in the house, random shit in the yard, etc.I've met poor people that were complete assholes that think they're better than everyone else. I've met poor people that are very nice, respectful and humble. I've met rich people that were complete assholes that thought they were better than everyone else. I've also met rich people that were very nice, respectful and humble.There are rich rappers and "new-money" types that have more money/wealth than many "old-money" types, but they hangout with gangbangers, onlyfans hookers and go partying at Miami clubs every night, acting like morons. There are also "new-money" types that don't do any of that shit and you wouldn't even know they're rich, because they live in a relatively normal house in a rural area and they just like shooting guns, riding four-wheelers and wearing normal clothes.There are rich and poor Democrats. There are rich and poor Republicans.The point is, classes are completely made-up. They only exist to cause division and class-warfare people groups of people.
>>62706711Very true. I dropped out of college actually. Now I'm making the same salary that I would be with a $70,000 college degree because I found a job that values my skills as a person, not what a piece of paper says.
>>62706733i make 155k in a "MCOL" area and it's middle class. it's barely enough to comfortably afford the mortgage on a $400k shithole house. upper middle class is 250k+, which is the income you need to afford a $700k house.
>>62706785I know and have known several men who make 6 figures and admitted to me that they are 2 weeks from being on the street if they lost their job.
>>62706733That is fucking brutal. Millenials are cooked.
>>62706639congrats fren. use your extra money to buy crypto.>>62706651no, buy a bike, maybe a helmet if you're feeling rich
>>62706656Economists also use classes to create groups when they're creating statistical analysis, but any statistic can be easily manipulated by changing a single variable.It's the same reason why generational groups are retarded. The Boomer generation should actually be adults born between 1940 and 1949, but statisticians and pop-culture decided to extend the Boomer generation all the way up into the mid-1960s. Which makes zero fucking sense if you think about it for at least 5 seconds.Then decided to make the Millennial generation 1982 - 1997. Even though people born in 1980s didn't have smartphones in high-school, whereas people born in 1997, 95% of the kids had smartphones in high-school.
>>62706797>>62706771most jobs take years to promote to 100k, despite the huge amount of "I make 200k pressing a button" larpers. Things are much worse than you think.
>>62706794There are emergant classes of people though. For example I live in a high trust rual area with mostly white people. I'd say we all fall into the "middle class" of America. We're not incredibly rich, but we all own property and are relatively self sufficient.
>>62706808I already have a ZX6R actually.
>>62706794>The point is, classes are completely made-up. They only exist to cause division and class-warfare people groups of people.Yeah pal, you, me, jeffrey epstein, donald trump, the clintons, bill gates, larry fink, we’re all just basically the same the the differences are completely arbitrary. Someone made them up to sew discord between you me and larry!
>>62706794>The point is, classes are completely made-up. They only exist to cause division and class-warfare people groups of people.yeah the guy i saw take a private helicopter (AgustaWestland AW139) to work (business he founded) is literally the same as you and me.
>>62706821>There are emergant classes of people though.There are no classes. It's a completely made-up metric. That was the entire point of my rant. If you can't get yourself out of that mindset, there's nothing else for me to say to you.>Yeah pal, you, me, jeffrey epstein, donald trump, the clintons, bill gates, larry fink, we’re all just basically the same the the differences are completely arbitrary. Someone made them up to sew discord between you me and larry!I literally didn't say that. In-fact, I completely reject the entire premise. If you randomly hit the lottery, would you automatically be on the same "team" as Donald Trump and Bill Clinton. Would you randomly start trafficking children? No? Then maybe there's more to human nature than just how much money you have.>yeah the guy i saw take a private helicopter (AgustaWestland AW139) to work (business he founded) is literally the same as you and me.Repeating the same shit >>62706830 said. I reject the premise entirely. It's not my problem if you guys are mentally incapable of comprehending what I'm saying.
>>62706863>Then maybe there's more to human nature than just how much money you have.it's a useful stratification because wealth generally correlates with more favorable opportunities and outcomes.
>>62706863> I literally didn't say that. You did say that though>In-fact, I completely reject the entire premise. If you randomly hit the lottery, would you automatically be on the same "team" as Donald Trump and Bill Clinton. Would you randomly start trafficking children? No? Then maybe there's more to human nature than just how much money you have.THIS is different. I agree that money alone does not determine class. But your position of the antithesis, wherein money has no or even little determination on class, is empirically false. Or at least not bounded correctly. There are pretty clear correlations between extreme wealth and status in society. You can stick your head in the sand and say theyre uncorrelated, but meanwhile, the elite will continue to disprove you
>>62706863True bro me and my ilk are exactly the same as the crack smoking niggers of the inner city! Classes don't exist!
>>62706656America doesn't have a class system4chan users don't know this because they've never been to America
>>62706867>>62706872>>62706888I'm not going to waste my time arguing.Classes, just like generations, don't exist. You people take arbitrary social constructs, then talk about them like they're a single living organism that makes decisions.>Boomers ruined this!>Millennials ruined that!>The elites did this!>The middle-class wants this!Having money doesn't change anything about a person, other than how much money they have. It doesn't magically change their values, or personality traits. If you can't wrap your head around that, nothing else I say matters.
>>62706910They grew up with a strict caste system in IndiaThey literally can't imagine life without it
>>62706910>It doesn't magically change their values, or personality traitsit absolutely fucking does lol, are you from jupiter or something
>>62706639Congrats broski
>>62706933It will change you if you believe it will.Meanwhile actual rich people know in America you're one market crash, heart attack or cancer diagnosis away from being homeless so they learn humility
>>62706898It didn’t before the pandemic. Post pandemic, inheritance matters more than labor and life decisions. Social mobility is quite low so the castes are becoming real. Boomers, who are at the top of the caste system seem to think that there is no such thing, but zoomers know.
>>62706915>>62706941^ Truth
>>62706941>Meanwhile actual rich people know in America you're one market crash, heart attack or cancer diagnosis away from being homeless so they learn humilityAlso being rich makes you very keenly connected to people who are much, much richer than you. Having $30MM is neat but you don't have your own jet like someone with $300MM or $3 billion or $30 billion. That makes being boastful suggest a real lack of perspective.
>>62706639Congratulations Anon!
>>62706910You sound like the type of person that finds one outlier to a statistical trend and takes that to believe statistics arent real. IE, illiterate
>>62706910I fundamentally disagree with you. People are products of their environment to an extent. Having money ruins some people who are otherwise virtuous. Societal striation is a fundamental emergant property of human civilization and if you can't see that, there's no hope for you.
>>62707080Thanks! Feels good to be recognized and rewarded for your hard work. Now I can continue building my tiny empire.
>>62706656It's based off zip codes
>>62707212This too. /biz/ won’t acknowledge this cause most live in shit areas even if rich.
>>62706639Don't spend it all on a gaming rig.
>>62706798The reason it is like this is because households are expected to have two paid career workers instead of one (thanks to feminism)
>>62706813>most jobs take years to promote to 100kFor real. Took me fucking 13 years.
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>>62706639Good work, mate. Make sure to invest wisely. Live like there's no tomorrow, plan like you'll live forever
Congrats man. I started at 65k in late 2023 for my WFH job (my first job out of college). In many ways I got very lucky. The HR lady advocated for me to get the top end of the job's pay scale, and the benefits of WFH are endless. As of now I'm making a little over 70k gross. I'm hoping to get a more significant pay bump soon. My job title is supposed to be changed to a more specialized role that is very high-institutional-knowledge and I'm hoping for the bump to be there. But you know, I'm totally at their mercy here. I'm not gonna proverbially walk out the door even if the title change comes with a 0% bump. What are the odds I'll get a higher paying job with the same benefits especially in this economy?
65k household you will get free tax filing assistance from the govt. The cutoff is like 80k household. Under that and you can get your taxes done for free.
>>62706807>>62706733>have to be a mid-career lawyer to afford a shitbox house outside providence, Rhode island
>>62706656It should he based on how white you are
>>62706771Honestly if you have little to no debt, don't live in a HCOL area, and aren't obsessed with consumerism, $65k can give you a pretty comfy life. Definitely enough to cover your necessities and put some away for saving and investing. Congrats OP.
>>62706794Class doesn't mean shit anymore, never did, never will be. Jeff bezos = amazon warehouse wagie. It's the same, only Bezos have more money that's it. Other than him having more money, it's the same.
>>62706639>65k a year>Upper middle classDo you live in Mexico?
>>62706639>65K>upper middle class
>>62707650Unless you have an exceedingly complex situation, you can do your own taxes for free
>>62706639Congratulations anon. Increasing your income is the most sustainable way to long term wealth. But what you do next is very important. I'm going to need you to promise me something, OK? Here's what I need you to promise me: that you're not going to make any foolish decisions. Here's a hint: buying a truck that's 1.5x >>62706651 your yearly income is a foolish decision. At $65k, you should probably be looking at cars in the $4k-$6k range, bought in CASH. What you should be looking at is, how's the emergency fund. How's the down payment savings fund. One psychological trick you can use to keep yourself on track, add some extra luxuries within your budget so that raise feels real. Maybe get some pork for those rice and beans, drive to work on rainy days instead of biking or public transit. Most of all, make sure to keep investing in *yourself* so you can keep raising that income. Let's set a goal to get that 65 to $100k. I know you can do it. Dave out.
