is it really over this time?
YCC incoming followed by hyperinflation a few years down the line.Ripperoni to anyone bagholding fiat
>>62721563i don't even know what a yield is, I'm sure this means nothing
>>62721563no it's only bad for america, it's good for everyone else
>>62721563Hopefully.
>>62721563biden's bonds
>>62721603Please be ironic>>62721575It means people are beginning to assume that the market is en route to insolvency.
>>62721603Buy thens bond market saaar! Redcaps dindunuffin!
>>62721606>It means people are beginning to assume that the market is en route to insolvency.no idea what that meanswhat will happen as a result
>>62721608You're going to get financially raped and gaped
>>62721614i don't have any money desu
>>62721617Do you buy shit? Like food and stuff? If yes, you're going to get raped and gaped.
>>62721614So what is a person supposed to do in this kind of situation to avoid getting fucked as hard as everyone else? I’m pretty diversified with my investments but I also have a lot of cash
>>62721575A better way to think of it is the price is crashing (the return "coupon" is fixed so if the price goes down the yield goes up) due to massive sell pressure ie lack of confidence in government or an expectation that inflation will negate the yield.
>>62721623SELL COCAINEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWmD_HcOcfU
>>62721623If it's about fears of inflation/hyperinflation then you just want to be in assets and not cash. The people who should panic about inflation are ordinary wagies with cash savings and not much debt. If it's fears about bank runs / bail-ins then metals and bitcoin are the play.If you want to hedge against actual collapse / world war / that sort of thing then you probably want a mix of tangible assets like land, animals, gold/silver as stores of value, and things like ammo and cigarettes for trade. But the first scenario is far far more likely.
>>62721644>bitcoinHAHAHAHAAAAAA
>>62721619no, my parents do (they're wildly rich)
>>62721563BULLISH FOR RISK ASSETSOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>62721658YESS QUEENS LETS ALL GAMBLE WOOOOOO ANOTHER ROUND OF GAMBMING ON GOD WOOOO YAS QUEEEENS
>>62721563so what's the play?
>>62721623Convert to Islam
>>62721623Every asset class will take a major hit in real terms as people lose purchasing power and begin to prioritize essentials, but hard assets will come out best on the other side. The people holding cash and people who are relying on wages to make ends meet are going to get fucked the hardest
>>62721623Kill yourself I guess, if you're dead you can't get fucked
>>62721664Pregnantbutt
>>62721563no because no one knows what bonds arefor markets to implode you need to make everyone panic with something obvious
>>62721623Buy inverse 3x etf on s&p 500
>>62721644The only real savings account I have is a roth account. I really don’t want to mess with that though.
>>62721712Stocks and indicdes are going to skyrocket in nominal terms but lose value in real terms. Buying a leveraged inverse ETF is financial suicide, lmao
DEATH TO THE KUFFARMASHALLAH
>>62721563The bond vigilantes are revolting.
>>62721577how is the cost of capital increasing in all countries only bad for america?
>>62721679>if you're dead you can't get fuckedThat’s not true
>>62721722No, stocks and indices will lose value in nominal terms as well. You can use less leverage, other options or other methods of shorting. All the major indices have already been moving sideways for months. The Russell 2000 has already passed its peak, and if you bought an inverse rus 2000 ETF at the top, you're already in profit.
>>62721821Yeah, leveraged ETFs are dangerous, especially inverse ones, so you either have to put in extra money to average down and only buy at the top, or just time it right. That's why I said you can try other shorting options.
>most are since about 15-20 years agoso in other words, this has happened before?
>>62721563Governments are going to have to make unpopular decisions to reduce the primary deficit, at a time when many governments are already struggling to fend off populist insurrections
>>62721871what was the national debt back then tho? that's the difference
>>62721881>governments make unpopular decisions>voters get pissed>populists get elected>populists fuck shit up even more>voters get pissedWhere does this spiral end exactly
its exciting to be a nihilist at the moment of civilization collapse. i already expect nothing good from life. now everyone gets to be as miserable as me. this is great news! we will all be homeless together.
>>62721566Would paying down my mortgage make more sense than holding cash?
>>62721623Invest in the towing and foreclosure ecosystem.Lots and lots of expensive gear will need transfer from people who bought it on credit to the people who actually own it.
>>62721929That's a problem of didactics not policy.You can sell people on a lot of things if you explain it to them in simple, immediate & applicable terms.Populism isn't a political system so much as the art of making people feel informed, empowered and cared for rather than condescended to. The actual positions simply come down to who bothers to make the effort.
>>62721948>Lots and lots of expensive gear will need transfer from people who bought it on credit to the people who actually own it.so whats step 2? The rich get their shit back and just hoard it? Use it as collateral for their own loans?
bah god, look at der swiss bonds!
>>62721566Yet the USD is spiking because all other FIAT is even worse.
>>62721984Yes to both, welcome to /biz/, the economy is gutter tier capeslop.
>>62721623Go short the market. Eventually it will crack.
>>62721563what does this mean
>>62722005Every currency is getting fucked, only at a difference pace. I don't see how this is a consolation
Will this lead to a stock market crash?
>>62721623You get fucked.Only the rich can navigate it properly, anyone reliant on a salary for paying bills is about to discover what going to bed hungry most nights is all about.
>>62721644You think assets are a good store of value while rates go sky high? Lol, lmao evenWagies will get fucked yes, but cash savings are the one definitive safe place to be
>>62722397Might pop the AI bubble if people can dump stocks and bonds related to AI if treasuries offer better returns.
>>62722684AI is basically run like the arms industry so no.
>>62722691Not really. For one they're not making enough money to keep themselves afloat.
>>62722684>Might pop the AI bubble if people can dump stocks and bonds related to AI if treasuries offer better returns.Niggas out here thinking their high yield savings accounts are going to return higher than the 4th industrial revolution.The ABSOLUTE STATE of LUDDIES.
>>62721947I'm thinking the same thing anon, maybe rates will drop at the beginning of next year for us to buy
>>62722738The arms industry isn't keeping "itself" afloat either.They posit a retarded wonder weapon.They get tax money to build it.They use the tax money to pay the person who wrote the approval.
>>62721563So people are taking a haircut to get cash now instead of waiting to redeem their treasuries. Nothing burger, the bond market doesn't set the rate the fed does. Muh housing market lol younguys want it to be 2008 so bad just so you can feel better about your constant doom posting
>>62722756Glorified auto complete.
>>62722404>anyone reliant on a salary for paying bills is about to discover what going to bed hungry most nights is all about.Will it really be that bad though?
>>62722505Why?
>>62721566Dollar milkshake. Good luck
>>62721623Buy treasuries. Wait for crash. Profit.
>>62721726BASED>>62721929When the population of low iq midwits finally die off. Nothing happens when these governments and finance institutes keep trying to pull every lever they pull out of their ass to delay or hide the cracking. Maybe we’ll see something now that birth rates have been fucked for at least a decade in the countries and boomers are finally dying off. The immigrants imported are just extra powder kegs
>>62721929New paradigm / collapse / we finally get a leader worth a damn. I think “America” is spent in terms of producing great leaders though
>>62722971This. The treasury is literally betting on rates going lower when they shifted all their issuance to mainly short term t-bills. The fed is chicken shit and will cut rates to zero on a drop of a hat.
>>62722376When things are this bad, the only cope (and strategy) is looking at who has it worse than others. There's no winner, just the strongest losers.
>>62721563Good.
sometimes i forget all the people out there who still aren't invested in equities. pretty tough out there for you guys. buy stocks, is the only advice that will save you over the next 5 years
>>62722738>For one they're not making enough money to keep themselves afloat.frontier labs might out of business but Google and Microsoft will sell AI products (maybe using Chinese models some time down the line) to their customers just fine.
>>62722858the problem is ever-growing govt spending and cost of their borrowing.your VOO will moon but you will pay 50% tax on it.
>>62722005Currency exchange rates are mostly driven by expectations of central bank interest rates. Currencies are traded back and forth depending on where traders think money can earn the most interest or pay the least interest over the coming period
>>62723472>invest in the shit peddlers when no one can afford shitThe only viable positions are commodities and cash
>>62723685Fed will not let the stock market crash. Money printer will blow trillions into Standard and Poors assholes if that's what it takes
>>62722858>So people are taking a haircut to get cash now instead of waiting to redeem their treasuries. Nothing burger, the bond market doesn't set the rate the fed does.
>>62721623gold, silver, lead, land.They drop as people sell them to pay bills, then spike when the assets run out and the bills keep coming.
>>62721563Bullish. So much more debt¤cy that will have to be issued to pay interest and the outstanding debt¤cy, and on and on and on.Fully long S&P 500.
>>62723846>Bullish. So much more debt¤cy that will have to be issued to pay interest and the outstanding debt¤cy, and on and on and on.yep. people really think gov will allow BOOMERS to suffer a downturn? they will always be bailed out. crash comes when they pass. decade minimum. more likely two
>>62723846>>62723908As long as they can vote they will get bailed out. Once they die off no way the voters(no matter what little of them are left) are going to allow what it would take to pay the bill the boomers left. They will build more road just so they can keep kicking the can. The genie is out of the bottle. Very hard to put him back in.
>>62721563its crazy to me that kind francis was always right all along. hvf method has been vindicated!
>>62723689This. No society died from a deflation spiral. Its always inflation down the toliet. Nothing gets cheaper towards the end. They will print infinite sums to try to keep it going and ultimately thats what kills the system.
>>62723500Well when the rate the government sets feeds back into government spending its a interest doom loop that is totally avoidable by just simply setting the interest rate to 0. We could cut 2 trillion of government spending right now by just cutting rates to zero and the voters would literally lose nothing. Expect for the voters that put their savings in treasuries lol. No government spending isnt the issue. Every time the government spends it's a company that earns. Usury is the real issue.
>>62723697>>shieeeeeeeetOk bro nice display of IQ here
>>62724039You are actually retarded. The bond market showed LAST WEEK who sets the rates.
>>62724039bruh you are dumb af for realsies enjoy the free moon trip to 10%+ dummy
[btw. I'm that anon >>62723846]>>62723908>people really think gov will allow BOOMERS to suffer a downturn? they will always be bailed out. crash comes when they pass. decade minimum. more likely two>>62723989>As long as they can vote they will get bailed out.I believe the last quote hits the nail on the head. At least my "fantasybooking" of the future includes this criteria as well.However I see it a little differently:I expect to there is going to be a certain day in time, where - by taking into account future demographic development and projections - the "boomer vote" simply doesn't matter any longer. Whilst the boomers still being alive, however. A certain point in time where the planners simply deem their influence, needs and desires as obsolete. This - honestly - is a normal process in time, I believe.And this day will come BEFORE the boomers are gone, is what I'm expecting.Since it all hinges on the US anyhow, I see two reasonable assumptions as to when this date could be, depending on the outcome of a preceding voting period:>the 2026 US mid term electionsIf there is a "democrat sweep" then it's reasonable to assume that the following US presidential election will also see a democrat win. Resulting in at least six full years straight of "democrat dominance" to varying degree in the US.>the 2028 US presidential electionWell, more or less the day before the election. This is the day I pinpoint as the final day the "boomer opinion" (or the "boomer" therein of) has mattered to ANYBODY. The boomer shelf life end that day, so to speak.And this is also the day the window closes for exactly what anon said right here:>Once they die off no way the voters(no matter what little of them are left) are going to allow what it would take to pay the bill the boomers left.Nobody, and I mean NOBODY will be caring or wanting to be liable for anything "BOOMER" past the day of the 2028 US presidential election.[tbc]
>>62724355Therefore I conclude that the remaining window of time in which a rugpull/crash/TBD/collapse/downturn/whateverthefuck could start is from today through exactly November 7th, 2028.November 8th, 2028 is the exact date the "boomer era" ends in my expectation.After that point in time, nobody will tolerate liability for anything "boomer."If the crash hasn't started before November 8th, 2028, I honestly and uneronically would expect to nothing ever happening ever again. No crash, no downturn, no nothing.Just an everlasting>They will build more road just so they can keep kicking the can.as anon put so succinctly.They know that.All in my estimation.
>>62721563Just refinance the debt.
>>62721944>HEY EVERYONE LOOK AT HOW MUCH I DONT CARE“Nihilists” are such fags
>>62723689This is your brain on MMT
>>62722756>4th industrial revolutionAI is worthless.
>>62724637What does the "fiat" in "fiat currency" mean anon?https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OSQeLMhOLtU&pp
>>62724637This fiat dick from Muscle Mommy Tranny is going to dick your bearish ass down. Im talking about pound town no GBP.
>>62724685>>62724764Show me one fiat currency that hasn't died>no no but my god/religion/currency is the right one!
>>62724362I think if dems win the house and senate expect a huge 20-30% crash in everything as all the wealthy people just pile into cash. Im talking a repeat of 2022. Dems will raise taxes and you have to sell your assets to pay, you dont want to be the last guy to sell to pay for taxes so you sell "first" everyone thinks the same does the same boom 20-30% down we go. If the reds win or stay afoot i think we will go sideways slightly up and do our normal correcting during the normal correcting season.
>>62724776Every currency dies faggot its called fiat for a reason retard. That doesnt change the fucking reality that fiat still runs your life and everyone elses. So yeah it still matters dickwad even if its made up. Sorry boss thats just the clown world we live in and no matter how much we all hate it still wont change the facts.
>>62724239>>62724327They fucking didnt, like at all. The rates are set by the fed. What happens on the secondary market for off the run treasuries doesnt matter as on the run treasuries are still within the feds interest rate target. If you think yeilds going up on tranny bills matters for cooonsumers id like you to look at the historical chart for interest rates zoom out to all time and compare to today. Dont be retarded.
>>62721712God retards like you are why I keep printing money every day.
>>62724793>If you think yeilds going up on tranny bills matters for cooonsumers id like you to look at the historical chart for interest rates zoom out to all time and compare to today.zoom in on the actual amount of debts dose interest rates r on while you zoom in on my nuts tagging ur moms ass
>>62721623Learn with AI how to repair things.
>>62724033You would have a Zimbabwe economy and buy bread with a trillion dollar bill.
>>62722871This is true but you say it like it's a bad thing.
>>62721603Delusional
>>62724655then so are you, because it can do your job
