worst crash in the history of the indonesian stock market after the worst year long bear market in the history of the market.MSCI just kicked indonesia out of emerging market. we're no longer a developing country. we're officially a standalone country. this shithole. managed by the most extreme corruption a human could ever imagined. voted to power by sub 80 IQ retarded monkeys of a population. it;s hopeless. I just died... my future is gone... everything is over. I want to kill myself... I want to kill myself... I want to kill myself... I want to kill myself... I want to kill myself... I want to kill myself... I want to kill myself... I want to kill myself... I want to kill myself... I want to kill myself... I want to kill myself... I want to kill myself... I want to kill myself... I want to kill myself... I want to kill myself...
446 stocks reached the floor limit (-15%). 99% of stocks are red. I had never experienced something like this before. and this just day 1 after the MSCI announcement. it's going to get even worse, worse, worse.
>>62788461In 20 min usa markets open, and llm ram semicond all die. Rip guys, gg
>>62788461Does that mean Bali gets cheaper?
THE worst stock market on earth. and I happened to be born in it. I diligently invested for the future. never bought meme stocks. only bought stocks with strong fundamentals and consistent dividend payment. and it all just evaporated.
>>62788478it's already cheap
>>62788461>Indonisian stock market Lmao lolWhy would you not just invest in the American stock market like a sane human being?
>>62788461TIDAK BOLEH MENANGIS DI KASINO
>>62788484Interesting>>62788461Also ehy are you so depressed, you life in one of the countries with the best nature and possibility of natural lifestyle. Great beaches, great fruits and seafood, great wildlife, you even have Orang-Utans. Not like a western city slave living in concrete hell with slave job and everything so expensive their wage means not much. There is a reason young people from the "first world" move to bali (bali specifically because living around moslems is never fun, we have that in the west too). Learn to appreciate that.
Ask away anything about the stock market or the country in general.I just went back home from work and I'm currently eating dinner while nonstop crying. I can't take it anymore.
>>62788499I'll answer everything after I eat>>62788493It's not a casino. it's a legitimate investment for the sake of financial freedom. but everyhing about the domestic economics and poltiics went so so bad to an extreme degree that fundamentals became worthless.
That blows anon, sorry. Was there any reason you didn't diversify into more international stocks?
>>62788515Limited access and there's a lot of challenges in investing in other country stock market1. knowledge barrier and familiarity with the companies2. time zone for trading manually without relying on auto-orders/stop losses/trailing stop3. currency spread when buying/selling/deposit/withdraw fund4. higher broker fees for accessing foreign marketsIt's just not ideal.
>>62788506Can you answer this too? >>62788496I dont understand you.
hope all these useless nigger countries with too many people die desu.
>>62788537Rude
>>62788461How much money has been lost in actually serious currency? 3 dollars?
I'll listen to you guys about diversification. I don't think I can afford trading US stocks, but which stocks/ETF should I buy if I only want to DCA and hold for DIVIDENDS. dividends is my only focus here. Ive never bought ETF before since it has no demand/liqudity here.>>62788496Bali is only fun for white people with strong currency. I'm in sub-urban jakarta and all I have is extreme pollution every where, hellish temperature 24/7/365, extreme traffic jam every day (3 hours commute total every day), shitty road. everything is shit here.>>62788537I want to die but I'm too afraid of the process. I wish I had a gun. a shotgun, ideally. I want to kill myself instantly.
>>62788566me or the entire market? for me it's $10,000++. yes yes I know, that's very very little money for you rich americans with at least $50.000 annual income. for us that's like 3-5 years worth of salary. POOF in a single year. and 2026 isn't even over yet.
>>62788583Indonesian incels be like "Girls nowadays want a man that is 5 feet tall and makes 4 figures"I'm fucking with you my guy, I'm a southern european monkey, my living conditions are closer to yours than to these of an american. Hope things rebound soon.
>>62788461Sell everything you own and buy in, with leverage. It's about to moon.
>>62788461Didn't know Indonesia had electricity
Didn't the South Korean stock market just rug too? What's going on in asia?
>>62788571I get it, tho i know some western people studying there. Some sumatra (or something) village/small town sounds nicer, but no idea if there are jobs for you.
>>62788461>voted to power by sub 80 IQ retarded monkeysdon't sweat it indog bro, democracy doesn't actually exist and they would've been in power regardless :)
>>62788524>1. knowledge barrier and familiarity with the companiesyour own responsability>2. time zone for trading manually without relying on auto-orders/stop losses/trailing stopyou don't need to trade, just invest.>3. currency spread when buying/selling/deposit/withdraw fundjust convert your currency to usd on the forex market?>4. higher broker fees for accessing foreign marketsjust start with an international broker like IBKR, if your stock market is so shit anywaysseriously i don't see the problem except you just don't want to deal with these (small) things
>>62788461do a flip, faggot
Redpill me on the situation to indonesiANUS right now.
>>62788686SK and Nikkei rugged because of AI semiconductor sell off. IHSG is because political corruption which led to macroeconomics disaster, also market manipulation (conglomerates pump their stocks like crazy so they can sell at top to MSCI and the stock exchange turned a blind eye to everything), so MSCI felt deceived and are planning to kick Indonesia out of MSCI universe (annoucned yesterday), which lead to an even more massive sell off. Indonesia has multi-layered corruption problem and it's permanent.
This should be bigger news
>>62788693all the high paying white collar jobs are concentrated in Java, especially in Jakarta. most areas outside Java are pretty much 4th world country. This country is ruled by Javanese elites, despite most of the conglomerates are chinese descent. chinese (and non muslim) are very discriminated here, they can't enter politics so they focus on business and only business. but even then they're being screwed up real hard recently by the current ruling military party. the most recent example is hostile takeover of Bayan Resources (one of the biggest market cap in the market) by one of the president's best buddy (palm oil mafia). many people speculate that THAT was what triggered MSCI to finally kick Indonesia out. the investment climate (stocks and real industry) is fucked here.
>>62788776Well, it seems like Indonesia needs to fix their shit.
>>62788461Why didn't you invest in crypto op? I know you said you wanted to be safe and make responsible investments, but crypto is a way to invest in US economy and foreign markets in general. Not only do you have easy access to USD stablecoins, but you have tokenized stocks like Google and even the SP500 is tokenized as a crypto and you don't need to provide personal information you can just use a wallet connected to a decentralized exchange. This actually wouldn't work for most Americans because the volume is kind of low right now, but since you admitted that the average salary in Indonesia is approximately 300USD a month then it's perfect for you.
>>62788816it's impossible. the majority population (58%) voted for the worst human ever existed in the history of the nation for some fucking reason. he's only been in power for 2 years and he already reset over 30 years of progress. he still has 3 years of tenure. and in 3 years his political power would already be too consolidated that it'd be so easy to rig the election. it's just over. I want a DISAPPEAR FROM THIS WORLD button either for him or for myself.
>>62788842I just can't trust crypto. I can't understand its fundamentals at all. with bonds and stocks, there's coupon and dividend payment, backed by macroeconomic performance / company financial statement. meanwhile crypto is backed by... what? hype?
>>62788756First India, now Indianesia, it's here.
>>62788856>progresskek
>>62788909yes. life got noticeably better and better ever since I was born until 2024.even during COVID, life was still fine.
>>62788879South Korea is currently crashing too
>>62788925for a very different reason. it's more like extreme correction after extreme pump, so it balanced out,
>>62788870>I just can't trust cryptoYou sound like a fucking retard. Do you understand mathematics at all? What do they teach you Indonesians at school in terms of maths and critical thinking? First of all, you don't have to understand or trust anything when you consider the history over the past decade. You can see that certain stablecoins (Tether, USDC) are stable and have held their peg for years and years. You can then dive deeper and try to understand the maths and programming that goes into creating a synthetic peg to an asset. You can research and study how MAKER/DAI works and how you can have algorithmic stablecoins (DAI) vs digital IOUs (USDT) and choose your risk tolerance.When you say you can't trust crypto, that's one of the dumbest things you can possibly say. And you can trust your corrupt Indonesian companies? And you can trust your corrupt politicians? You can understand the Indonesian stock market, and where did that lead you? Yeah, a lot of good that did you, right?The beauty about crypto is that you don't have to trust anything. The code is visible for all and the inner workings of algorithmic stablecoins is one example of that. You can see transactions on chain and see whales buying and selling and you don't need to trust what you see and hear on tv/media. Stop having such a negative opinion of this amazing opportunity that is crypto. It's literally the best way to invest your money and is the exact cure for your situation, and you STILL doubt it. A slave laughing at the tools that can be used to obtain freedom.
>>62788870yes it's backed by hype don't listen to whatever schizoshit he's blabbering
>>62788973most story I heard about crypto is retards getting pump and dumped and lost all their money. I'm interested in US market, but US stocks, not crypto. but then isn't US market at ATH right now? seems like a suicide move to start buying US stocks now.
>>62789015>t. midwit
>>62789028yes you can trust the code yes you can trust that stablecoins are peggedno you cannot trust bitcoin or any other shitcoin won't plunge like OP picrel for 100x less of a reason
>>62789024Yeah retards like this guy >>62789015 are the ones that get pumped and dumped on because they have no critical thinking whatsoever. It's a sad thing that they were probably born with a low IQ so it's not their fault, but that is natural selection for you. A fool and his money are easily parted. I have a neighbor that has a low IQ and whenever I run into him outside I try to talk to him because I genuinely feel sorry for him and want to help him. Last time I talked to him he told me his aunt died and he got like $50 thousand dollars from her after she died and I was happy for him and told him to not spend it quickly and try to save a good chunk of it, in case of emergencies and such. Well guess what? He spent it all and has nothing left. Why? Because he has a very low IQ and has a learning disability. His mom died and now he has to take care of his grandmother, then he goes out and spends all this money like the retard he is. He talks like a retard and is slightly cross eyed. That's what I imagine this guy >>62789015 looks like.
>>62788461Retarded indogs thinking they'll get off rich by playing the stock market lolololol might as well kill yourself to get those 72 virgins from Allah instead of living in slums.
>>62789037Then have the 95% of your assets in stablecoins and the other 5% inside positions with sell limit order/stop losses. This would literally have saved OP from a disaster like the Indonesian market crash. I will say it again, crypto is the textbook example cure for the position OP is in right now. You speak as if you need to hold btc or eth 100% in spot or something. Crypto is the way out of your position OP.
>>62788735Indonesian woman are showing their ani saaaaaaaar
>>62788571where does the money for dividends come from?say the answer out loud and you will understand why thats not a smart ideaif you went dividend investing in indonesia thats probably part of why you are hurting so muchanyway suicide is for troons
>>62789057I can't expect to outperform 99% of crypto traders (retards) since I'm not a high IQ genius. crypto is too risky.>>62789063I've been in the stock market for 6 years. I' was able to consistently make profit for 5 years in a row, so of course I think it's very possible to get rich through investing in the stock market. but in the 6th year (2026), everything just went wrong with this country.
>>62788461serious question why are thirdies so retarded?
>>62789086> I' was able to consistently make profit for 5 years in a row, so of course I think it's very possible to get rich through investing in the stock market. but in the 6th year (2026), everything just went wrong with this country.LMAO
>>62789085>where does the money for dividends come from?Net profit. what's your point?>>62789088DNA. I'm ashamed of my father to cum inside my mom and I'm ashamed of my mom for not aborting me. every single thirdies should've been neutered. it's cruel to birth a new life into the third world.
>>62789086>I've been in the stock market for 6 years. I' was able to consistently make profit for 5 years in a row, so of course I think it's very possible to get rich through investing in the stock market.Apparently not smart enough to put your wealth into stable investments before diving into the dumpsterlmaoooooooooooooooooo
>>62789106>>62789109ok
>>62789107it comes at the expense of future stock appreciationit goes to you, or shares are bought back or it is reinvestedif they have dividend obligations but rocky profits they dilute stock on your ass.profit in an etf? where does that money come from?most high dividend etfs underperform low dividend etfs or the underlyingand there are a shitton of scams out there, eg. yeildy, that prey on dividendcels, they make no money and just endlessly diluteim sure the indonesia market has a bunch of thatdividends should be an afterthought, you will make more through appreciation, just lern2 take profit
>>62788461take multiple loans, steal whatever you can and leave the countryalways works
>>62789148no dont steal in sharia country nigga
>>62788479You unironically should have bought Bitcoin.
>>62788870>I just can't trust crypto. I can't understand its fundamentals at all.There's only one thing worth buying in all of "crypto" and that is Bitcoin. Almost all of the rest of it is scams. I'll exempt Monero from that because it's trying to solve the privacy problem, and Tether is useful for international trade, but those are pretty much the only two. Even Ethereum was a premine scam that turned into an eternal high school science fair project.
For fucks sake OP ignore these crypto retards and just buy VOO
>>62788461>Indonesian stock marketThat was a thing?
>>62788479Why wouldn't you diversify internationally?
>>62788571If dividends are such a big focus for you, I assume it's because you want a steady/fixed income from your investments. But in that case, it would've been a better idea to buy bonds instead. Hindsight is 20/20, but if you had sold your ~10 000$ worth of stocks and bought US 30 year bonds at current yields you'd be making ~540$ a year.>but money went bye-byeSucks ass, you just have to start saving again. The US and EU stock market are at ATH or within 5% of ATH, but the AI bubble will not burst for years to come so buy their stocks, if you can, and also buy bonds which are on sale right now.TL;DR Try again, roping is for faggots, and don't put all of your shit into one market.
>>62788461>-15%give me a break
>>62788461Inodnesians aren't even human
Shill me some IndoNIGGERS tickers. I bet I can buy a whole company lmao.
>>62788499Is Indonesia basically like the Philippines, where it's permanently 30 celsius and humid? Where do you get most of your energy from? In the worst case scenario of global depression, what do you think will happen to Indonesia socially and politically?
>>62788499Shill me some bags, Im ready to buy a Indochikker company.
>>62788499How far could a gajin get in your country with 100k in gold?
>>62788475Don't know much about the monkey stock market but can't you just short the hell out of this?
>>62788479>only bought stocks with strong fundamentalsYou fell in one of the most subtle traps: the safety one. You cannot eliminate risk, you can only move it somewhere else, and you moved it in the wrong place. Sorry bro, but don't kill yourself, catastrophes like this are what make multimillionaires. Find cash to buy the bottom, and this time diversify with global stocks and BTC.
>>62788870>I can't understand its fundamentalsline goes upyou need to understand that by chasing safety at any cost, you're missing the best opportunities. That "safety" is only an illusion. Look at the situation it has put you into. You would've been 100x better off just buying the top 10 cryptos without even doing any research on them.
>>62788461>>788475that's funny because i was eyeing this stockBank Rakyat Indonesia it has a big dividend and it seems to be doing well on paper. But then i'm new to dividend investing so i thought such a big dividend was fishy. (10%)Anyway, you seem smart, shame you refused to use your brain to make sensible decisions like diversification. You put all your eggs in the same basket. I'm french and i don't like the politics of france AT ALL, i stopped buying french companies, that's just retarded we're a socialist country nothing good is coming in economic terms. Seems like you're too scared to lose your money to invest and it caused you to actually make bad decisions.
>>62788479I'm suddenly interestedtell me about market structure, which companies dominate? banks, real estate, resource exports? are they diversified or dominated by huge corporations with government ties?what is the currency doing? does it make more sense for you to buy in fully at current levels (-40% looks like a bargain) or try to get some of your money out before the currency goes apeshitAs a sidenote: something is going on, Turkey also fell quite a lot, global market has decided to start punching thirdies
>>62788479Hold that shit and don't sell. Boomers make it rich holding crap for years.The line, eventually goes up.NOW, shill us SOME TICKERS fucking BABOON.
>>62788461You guys chose islam instead of the dutch. Imagine choosing a pedo prophet over the INVENTORS OF THE STOCK MARKET. The 'jews of Europe'. Well... time to reap what you've sown.
>>62791183If you want a ticket to the circus, consider GRAB. It does nothing but go down based on what happens in Indonesia
>>62791201>Suriname>South Africa>ArubaAll the dutch colonies are supreme shitholesAlso, why would they bet on a dying race anyway?
>>62788461This is like a week after India's stock market also crashed, right?
>>62790844Better energy situation, but even more oligopolistic and corrupt (low free float and suspected market manipulation is why they just got BTFO'd by MSCI).>>62791183Market is half financials. Philippines is a quarter financials and none of the drama if you want to bottom fish Southeast Asia. Just saying.
>>62791356
>>62791356>supreme shitholesthe whole third world is shitholes in case you didnt noticethe dutch and english kept shit from collapsing
>>62791513Philippines embraced western culture and all they got for it was hypergamous sluts and garbage dump islands. Seems like being a cuck doesn't make a discernable difference.
>>62788479>the lowest prices ever!>why oh why did I get these awesome prices!?Baggies are so funny sometimes.
Hello. it's 7.40 here. I just woke up and I'm already very tired. vision of doomed future keep appearing in my head. This isn't just about losing at stock trading, but about the general livelihood. It feels this country has reached a dead end. there's absolutely not a single positive at all. everything is bleak and there's no fixing this. even if it somehow gets fixed, it'd take decades of suffering. the result of 2 years of Prabowo regime. it's only been 2 years. TWO years, and he already managed to ruin this country and its future prospect this much. There's nothing much I can do as a talentless guy who's forced to go to "normal route" to build life: working as a corporate slave. I will listen to advice from this thread and study my hardest to trade US stocks and ETFs. maybe I could even buy ETF of promising emerging markets as well. The biggest barrier for me is the entry cost. buying USD with Rp, the bank already robs me with 2% spread. buying US stocks cost me 0.6% of broker free. that's like -2.6% immediately. it'd be much harder for me to make profit with US stocks. I don't know if I can do this, but I have no choice. I have to do this. I want financial freedom. I want to be free. I'll try even if I'd end up dying. the alternative is being permanently poor or dead anyway. I will die fighting.
>>62791685I bought this stock. +2.1% I haven't made profit yet. this is the disadvantage of buying US stocks as foreigner. I usually take profit at 3-10% in Indonesian stocks when I short swing trade, but it's difficult to do this with US stocks. I have no choice but to go big swing every time because of the jewish spread + fee.
>>62791685As a detour from the main thread, for anyone who has wondered why bother tokenizing stocks and other traded assets, it's this. Lots of people don't have access to world markets because of capital controls, or have access but only through rapacious, politically connected and semi-monopolistic local brokers taking an unreasonable skim off the top. The value of tokenizing the S&P is to allow the same access to American assets that you and I fellow amerifags have to people like Indonesanon.
>>62791705Another way to beat spread is by using leverage/margin trading, but it's really not my style to use leverage. I like it when I could average down when needed... maybe I should just abandon this trading style and learn how to efficiently use leverage with auto stop loss / trailing stop order... abandoning trading style that made me consistent profit, that I've honed for over 5 years.... ugh this is gonna be difficult.
>>62791685Also a thought, this might not be possible or might not make sense, but you should research whether interactive brokers is available and legal in your country and what the terms of accessing it are for Indonesian citizens / residents if it is. It's the best cross border stock broker by far if not gimped by local rules.
>>62791730I can use IBKR, but they don't have legal license from the financial regulatory bodies here, so I use named local broker (Ajaib) to start trading US stocks, just to feel safer.
>>62788461>>62788479It's long overdue. Decades of market manipulation and fraudulent companies (especially state owned and startups that listed within the last 5 years) finally blew up coincidentally within the worst political regime that introduced the most retarded policies. This isn't something avoidable or can be fixed by voting the "right" president, culturally, Indonesian people embraced corruption.
>>62791768only a few big conglomerates like Barito and Bakrie Group manipulated their overvalued stocks, the vast majority of indonesian stocks are well priced according to value and natural demand. but the entire market got punished instead. I hate it. it's like school's collective punishment when only 1 student did bad stuff.
>>62791617Philippines was ruined by the japanese who massacred civilians by the hundreds of thousands. Then Americans destroyed what was left of Manila with point blank howitzer shots to kill the Japs. PH was perhaps the greatest place in asia at one point, called 'pearl of the orient'. Besides that, Americans can't into colonialism; they only care that someone is "not communist" (see also: japan, vietnam, south korea, ...). They left it all in the hands of a few corrupt families. its no surprise that it is a mess. PH was going to be independent in 1946.
>>62788461Indowhat?
>>62792013some country which shouldn't even have a stock market. it was all just pretend today the illusion fell apart.
>>62788461>Corruption That's impossible. Indonesia is a devoutly religious country.
>>62788475You think this is bad? Wait until the dollar roars to life.
>>62788776Yeah, a hostile crony takeover tantamount to outright theft...that will do it. Depends on who owned Bayan before the crony. But if they were connected with western interests, the president is fucked. They'll tank the whole countrys economy and make an example out of him.
Do listen to this anon>>62789057Don't listen to this anon>>62789015I bet he bought a lot of silver at the top. Silver he understands. Silver he trusts. And that would be a smart play if this were civil war America and the greenback was just printed.
>>62789075Stablecoins are indeed the very best defense against inflation.
>>62789107Don't say that, my friend. >>62791156Yes, that is fishy. I would take a peek at their secured/senior bond rates.
>>62791372Yeah, Filipines and Vietnam are the two plays in Asian
One of the funniest things about Indonesia to me is it is literally the fourth most populated country in the planet and no one knows this because it's pretty much irrelevant.
Your coal mines are quite cheap with a nice dividend (UNTR ITMG AADI ADRO ITMG) and they seem less manipulated than some stocks with a PE of 400.What is your opinion of them?
>>62792417All the peopleSooo many peopleAnd they all go hand in handHand in hand through their wildlife
>>62792423There's a lot of good stocks in IHSG, but ALL of them are suffering from nation-wide collective punishment from MSCI >>62791797 . yes they're cheap, but they can get even cheaper for many years to come.
>>62792445My portfolio is full of blue chip stocks that consistently give 7-11% dividend yield at the price I bought them, but now all of them are down 30%++++
>>62791854What? No snarky anti-white, anti-western rerorts? Come on brownboys, pull this post through your favorite little AI and find a way
>>62792100I like PH and have actually been there unlike /biz/ so I kek heartily at anyone who thinks it is 'a play'.
The only play in any of these countries is to do nothing remotely related to the stock markets. What happened with india and indonesia is, sadly, just a taste of what's to come. When american jews inevitably pull out because of Muh Headline, it all collapses like a house of cards. You fuckers should learn some history and see how many times (S)EA has been totally rugpulled. It's a shame, but that's the way things go. It was never about uplifting these countries or convergence. The next Asian run up will have you chasing the top because jews are never going to let (Your) investments run up. They'll just pick the thing that suits them best which nobody owns significant amounts of.
>>62788461nah you must live to breathe the burning smog
>>62791685And bro stop revenge trading just cool down for a few weeks it's not the end of the world. Well actually the whole world is turning to shit, not just your country. US stocks are in la la land with their fingers in their ears pretending oil and the rest of the economy don't exist. Muh AI dontchaknow! Just wait until /biz/ and the smg fags start committing suicide. When they stop makimg smg threads thats the time to buy
>>62788478>>62788484Commodities will stay in value irregardless of the currency and some will go higher due to inflation. Since females aren't a commodity, their pussy is nothing but a depreciating asset.
>>62792417they better stayed in their shithole if the self inflicted economics crisis cause a crash or I will put on a manhunt
>>62788479Hilarious how you literally only need to buy Link now and you’ll be fucking retired in 4 years or so. But you won’t do it
>>62792445N8gga. You are literally on a link board. Just buy as much link as possible now. The whole financial system is changing and your in gay ass stocks
wtf is going on
>>62791685You dont need to study shit just put your money in any world index fund. If US collapses and you lose your money it will be the least of your worries. People have been waiting for a stock market crash since 2011 and its only reached new ath every year.I just dont get why would you ever invest in a shithole like Indonesia even if its your own country
>>62792568It's not revenge, it's trying to go back on the pathway of financial freedom. For the last 6 years. I've been able to consistently build my asset. It went so well that I was able to imagine retiring at 35 (I'm 30 now).It's just this year completely destroyed any hope of making it with Indonesian stocks. I want to practice as much as possible with foreign market, so I can get good and earn good money again.
>>62792604everyone's trying to help me make money outside indonesian stock market. I have over half of my assets on bonds (9% pa) and money market mutual funds (5.5% pa). It seems big, but it's in Rupiah, the weakest performing currency on earth and is still weakening. Even without cutting my losses on stocks, I have enough liquid asset to move to the U S A market. and I will do it as I will not give up.
>>62792677>I just dont get why would you ever invest in a shithole like Indonesia even if its your own countryit's the simplest, cheapest way and I DID make a lot of money. until this year's extreme bear market turning point
>>62792575>females aren't a commodityfor now
>>62788461>managed by the most extreme corruption a human could ever imaginedevery single country is like this anon. Western nations are just better at hiding it
>>62788461kek
Huh... wait. I just came to a realization that IHSG being kicked out to Standalone Market could pontentially cause S&P and Moodys to kick the Indonesian Bond Rating to non-investment grade since their delegates were present at the meeting with Danantara & MSCI (Indonesia play-pretend """"SWF"""") delegates 3 days ago, which was definitely a factor of downgrading to Standalone Market.Uhh... now Indonesia becoming Zimbabwe and Argentina 2.0 (hyperinflation) is pretty realistic... fuck. even getting good at US stocks won't help me if this happens. Whatever, I'll not try to think about this. I'll simply kill myself when all hope is lost and pray that after-life or reincarnation isn't a thing. 1 life is more than enough. My life could end in a bad ending, but I kinda enjoyed it, overall. so I'm still thankful to our beloved sadistic God who loves watching his creation suffer, if he even exists.>>62792743other countries still pretend they care about the citizens. mine is blatant extreme corruption in the open. the magnitude of corruption of the current regime dwarfed all the previous regimes combined.
>>62788623>Indonesian incels be like "Girls nowadays want a man that is 5 feet tall and makes 4 figures"lost it at 5 feet tall
>>62788461lmao
>>62788583>$10,000+>3-5 years worth of salary.I had a SEAnig friend in vietnam and he makes 10k a year. What is your day job, office worker?
>>62788461>we>we>we Sorry for your loss you filthy Indogsial
>>62792685>>62792751>he thinks he can 'get good' at stock>he thinks he can just learn itFucking retard. Just listen to people who are 30 IQ points above you, like >>62792677 or me
>>62788461>>62788475>indonesian stock market What do companies in Indonesia that are listed there actually produce? >>62788754>Indonesia has multi-layered corruption problem and it's permanent.Makes sence for equatorial / hot country. >>62788776>(palm oil mafia). What is your economy, palm oil , some drugs and the mafia? What do companies listed on the stock market produce?
Heres what you should unironically do insread of 'learning stocks'. Band together with all the moneylosers in the land to (1) pressure your government to become a colony again, (2) petition the Dutch government, and (3) abolish pisslam
>>62788870The crypto will be the new financial system. Top 10-20 cryptos by the market volume, plus a few that is hidden and are technically needed by the bankers will remain and go up 100x.99% of the current cryto are , of course, indian scams.
>>62792858There are over 1000 companies. be more specific.
>>62792863The thing about crypto is I don't know what makes it go up or down. the movement seems to be based on hype.and vibe.
>>62792858Indonesia is where all the gold copper nickel etc miners are, thsts why so many of those stocks are perform poorly
>>62789075>Then have the 95% of your assets in stablecoins and the other 5% inside positions with sell limit order/stop losses.> This would literally have saved OP from a disaster like the Indonesian market crash. >I will say it again, crypto is the textbook example cure for the position OP is in right now. > You speak as if you need to hold btc or eth 100% in spot or something. Crypto is the way out of your position OP.I agree with this anon. Stablecoins could be a better store of OP's money than a crashing Indonesian stock market.
Anyway allah decided it has to go like this so whatever right all this is pre-ordained
>>62789086>I've been in the stock market for 6 years. Welcome to the reality. Stock market is a CASINO. Casino goes up, attracts a lot of customers. Then casino goes down, where these customers get taken on their casino money.
>/biz/ feeding a suicidal third worlder their crypto lies becsuse nobody else is buying itKek
>>62792867>Indonesia is where all the gold copper nickel etc miners areOk makes sense
>>62792864Pls look at the top 10-20 companies by revenue or market value, and tell us what the largest companies are doing. Someone mentioned gold, copper and nickel mining.
>>62792865>The thing about crypto is I don't know what makes it go up or down.Right now nothing but hype and marketing. The issue is 99% are indian scams. There will soon be 10-20 cryptos soon that will be used by everybody . It's going to be similar to Https secure web protocol that is currently used by every website. There will be a protocol similar to TCP/IP + https layer that securely transmits web information . There will be crypto currencies (crypto = cryptography) that will eventually transmit money securely on the internet. this will be true for both banks and the people.Right now it's hard to tell which would emerge, and it's mostly hype. Look into stablecoins, in US stablecoins are tied to US dollar.
>>62792876I'm not buying it. I'm into stocks and bonds only.
>>627928831. PT Astra International Tbk (ASII) – 323.39 T IDR (Diversified conglomerate: automotive, financial services, heavy equipment)2. PT Bank Rakyat Indonesia (Persero) Tbk (BBRI) – 309.58 T IDR (Banking / Financial services)3. PT Bank Mandiri (Persero) Tbk (BMRI) – 201.21 T IDR (Banking / Financial services)4. PT Telkom Indonesia (Persero) Tbk (TLKM) – 146.74 T IDR (Telecommunications)5. PT United Tractors Tbk (UNTR) – 131.30 T IDR (Heavy equipment, mining, and energy)6. PT Bank Central Asia Tbk (BBCA) – 126.87 T IDR (Banking / Financial services)7. PT Sumber Alfaria Trijaya Tbk (AMRT) – 126.74 T IDR (Retail / Alfamart minimarket chain)8. PT Barito Pacific Tbk (BRPT) – 125.62 T IDR (Energy and petrochemicals)9. PT Indofood Sukses Makmur Tbk (INDF) – 123.49 T IDR (Consumer goods / Food processing)10. PT Chandra Asri Pacific Tbk (TPIA) – 115.56 T IDR (Petrochemicals and infrastructure)
>>62792891>Look into stablecoins, in US stablecoins are tied to US dollar.is there any chance of it suddenly stops being pegged to USD, like CHF to Euro back when it flash crashed?
>>62792876he is a fourth worlder now after this crash lel
>>62792924not yet. wait until moody's and S&P also downgrade indonesia + government printing money like crazy.
>>62788461Determine whether you sell before it gets worse, or prepare for a potential decade-long holdBefore you go whole hog into US stocks, work out whether you'll get fucked by local taxes and other costs first. IIRC foreigners have to pay US taxes on dividends. Theoretically. In a country like Indonesia, I don't know what enforcement of that would look like; your broker might know, or a local financial advisorConsider whether to save up and lump sum into the blue chips; will they survive the regime? What are their prospects?As other anons have said, putting your money into stablecoins is not an absurd thing to do, and depending on taxes neither is swing trading crypto. But you will be vulnerable to wrench attacks if your country is as much of a shithole as you say it is.
>>62788461What's the hurry?I don't know about Indonesia but investing is not about looking your broker account go up and down.If everything is going down then everything is going down.Unless you fucked up and leveraged yourself.
>>62792930>>62792751Shocked that it's still investment grade after prabowo decided the 3% deficit and 60% debt limits were pussy ass shit.
>>62792543Vietnam's GDP per capita is higher than Phillipines(Indonesia too, btw) and they got occupied by the Japanese AND bombed to smithereens by the Americans. You are making excuses for why sucking whitu cocku and letting missionaries take over your country doesn't make you a first world country
Start of the next Asian financial crisis?
>>62788461This place could be pleasant if it weren't filled with hideous Muslims.
>>62793440Atta boy. Let the cope & seethe flow!
>>62789402This, if youre in a shithole and ur currency is some meme shit just buy BTC
>>62793551seethe? kek indonesia and the rest of SEA made the right choice not kowtowing to a dying race
>>62792685>>62792690Dude you ignored my first message and i said you were intelligent but made poor choices.i'm starting to second guess myself. If you had bought any USD / Euro stock in the last 10 years you would be up 40% in your indo currency only from the devaluation of it toward the dollar.you literally have nothing else to do than buy index funds in usd / eur you're stoooopid my chigga go pray allah some more for financial guidance. Also why do you keep trading do you think you can actually TRADE? 96% of traders lose money long term
>>62793447No. indonesian 2026 crash is purely self-inflicted by incompetent and corrupt people at the top management. it's contained.
>>62794083>96% of traders lose money long termI had 90% win rate until 2026. I still have cuz I haven't sold my losing position.
>>62788461>>62788475>absolutely FLUSHEDTime to make a dash to Singapore
>>62793440IQ and skin color go hand in handfunny how people knew that back in the day
>>62794512why is that people from southern hemisphere are fundamentally genetically inferior than northern people?
>>62794521It's really difficult having to live in a society full of sub 100 IQ religious fanatics. but I have to survive somehow. I have to survive, but I want to SUCCEED. I don't want to become a corporate slave for the rest of my life, waking up at 6 am and ready to rest at 8 pm. sleep at 11 pm. I only get to live 3 hours a day + weekend and I hate that.
>>62788479Did the country implode in June 2026? Is there another coup going on? Is this just foreigners fleeing your market? Buy now, sell at 6500.
>>62794523Seeing if you can get work in a richer country for a few years, saving as much as you can, and then going back home will do you a lot better than trying to optimize your percent return on investment on starting capital earned on local wage scales.Know that might not be possible, but if it is putting effort to that is a better use of your time.
>>62794535They're getting removed from the emerging market index, which means most Western stock holders are about to get force liquidated out of the market.It's actually a really bullish long term setup, blood in the street and all that, if the underlying property right and rule of law concerns that didn't trigger the removal get addressed or aren't as bad as MSCI thinks they are (I have no clue either way)
>>62794535It's just foreign investors fleeing the market en masse, already over Rp100 trillion ($5.5 billion) exit YTD little by little every single day. The reasons are multi-layered, but primarily caused by 2 things1. the Stock Exchange lack of good governance and regulations, which allow some whales/controlling shareholders to pump their worthless stocks sky high with the goal of using MSCI investors as exit liquidity. I believe MSCI felt deceived by this manuver so they punished the whole market for it.2. Politics. The current regime is blatantly DESTROYING the country economy with their extreme corruption and consolidation of power (every top ranking positions are taken by military guys (the president is military dude, the son-in-law of Soeharto, one of THE worst corruptor in world history). don't ask me why and how he got elected. You should look it up for more detailed explanation with google or AI or whatever. should be an interesting read on how to destroy a country. interesting for you, not for us...
>>62794541It's difficult. Singapore/Australia is my best bet for rich neighboring countries, but I have no access to foreign employment. rich countries also like to open foreign employment for low-tier jobs, which I don't have the skill/experience required for that (I'm born middle class and work white collar job) and I'm already 30. the door is closed already for someone like me. I just have to suffer or die. but I will die fighting.
>-15%kek, you're like a little babby
>>62794541fuck off we're full.
>>62794710>>62788479-40.73% year long slow bear
>>62794757Alright at 40% you have a right to complain. I also want to kill myself and I live in western europe. It's bad all over anon. I hope things get better for you.
>>62788479>only bought stocks with strong fundamentalsWhat does that look like over there? Do you have a good way to buy VOO or VOO equivalents?
>>62788461It's over dude, right now you only have two choices:1. (Default) Baghold at loss, until 5-10 years. We'll keep getting ARB every day, until Prabodoh is out.2. Sell at Monday and save everything you can.
OP has superiority complex and acting smug because he compares himself all his life to rural indigenous indonesians who are although uneducated and poor at least embody humility and kindnessOP your existence doesn't matter much at all, you said 10k invested or 10k was your loss? What's your net worth? 10k is not even worth just one of my rolexes to put it in perspective, it's not a matter or live and death but it's more that you don't matter dead or alive, like wtf man a fucking watch i dangle on my wrist
>>62794827>rolexif there was ever a sign of a poorfaghomo it's that
>>62794827Have you ever visited a third world country man? It's a sobering experience - that all of your above average IQ (if you are), work ethic, ambition, frugality, balls to invest, etc. mattered less than being born in a first world country by sheer good luck. Be a bit more kind, and travel, it gets you out of the ordinary and you'll be more grateful for what you have afterward.Also why the fuck are you still wearing an expensive watch in 2026?
>>62794791ETF don't have demands here, but there are plenty of index mutual funds. they're all bogged since these fund managers aren't smarter than you. also inflexible with high fees.
>>62794827>although uneducated and poor at least embody humility and kindnessthey definitely don't have humility and kindness>rolexkill yourself.
>>62794883first worlders romanticizing 3rd world life and poverty pisses me off. I'd prefer not be born at all, but it already happened, so I just have to do my best to overcome these TRIALS FROM GOD, according to religion fanatics here.
I will explain what happened to the Russia Index when MSCI downgraded it to a standalone market.The timeline is as follows:February 28, 2022: MSCI launched an official consultation regarding the investability of Russian equities.On March 2, 2022, MSCI formally announced that Russian securities would be removed from the MSCI Emerging Markets Indexes.One week before the official consultation, information "leaked," and the big guy knew.Everyone sold everything, and the Russia Index dropped from 3,440 to 1,600.If the same thing happens to IDX Composite, it will drop from 5,200 to the 2,000 range.
>>62794903Indonesia is kinda different. there's already a strong desire from MSCI to downgrade from Emerging to FRONTIER for a year already, so since 2026, IHSG went on a strong bear where foreign investors slowly selling their position, -40% already. the sell off already started since the beginning of the year, not yesterday. so if IHSG goes from 5200 to 2000ish after already been down -40% YTD... that's like super overkill. suicide case would skyrocket for sure. and I could be one of them.
>>62794908-40% is a gift for youngish people with access to the local exchange who can stock pick the crash. That's an opportunity to buy low. As someone still working and drawing a paycheck, I'd be thrilled for a 40% crash in American markets as long as it didn't take the economy down with it / I kept my job. Don't get suicidal, take it as an opportunity to buy cheap.>>62794893People are stupid all across the world. From people who romanticize poverty (personal or national) to those who think it is a trial from god, naw, it just sucks.
>>62794919>as long as it didn't take the economy down with itI fucking wish. the economy already crashed first before the stock market thanks to the current regime's extreme fiscal spending that mostly goes straight to the pocket of their own cronies
>>62794827>rolex this is so 20th centurypeople flex gpus these days gramps. Call me back when you have 10 rtx 5090
>>62790844>In the worst case scenario of global depression, what do you think will happen to Indonesia socially and politically?Read the first third of Walter Jon Williams' novel "This Is Not A Game".For Malaysia, read Paolo Bacigalupi's short story "Yellow Card Man".
Is Turkey next?
>>62792751If you have any shred of intelligence, you'd be moving to Australia and make twice amount of annual wage in Indonesia by doing a wagie job. Fuck, there's also Singapore if you don't mind transitioning into a tranny and get groped by big fat chinese uncle. The jig is up and playing the stock market won't help to unfuck your already miserable life.
>>62795121I wish countries would tell globohomo financial organization to go fuck themselves.
>>62788461>>62795121south korea, japan, france, indonesia, hmm if there was an ally the have all in common kekturkey and poland next
>>62794475>I had 90% win rate until 2026. I still have cuz I haven't sold my losing position.So overall, you're a losing trader. Doesn't matter you think you were smart for a year or 2. You can't be profitable long term.Investing is the real deal, you invest and you hold for 5 years minimum.
>>62788879>>62791358>>62792559>What happened with indiaqrd of india crash?
>>62795925Its a nothingburger t b hBut, just like OP, -10% is the end of the world to these niggersAs for the qrd, same as usual>Muh Headline comes>boomer jews pull out
>>62788461This is the punishment for the destruction of the tropical forest and for putting Jesus Christ below a sand nigger.
>>62796446And going against Israel
>>62796464No
>>62794714>>62794776We could import all of them and make an ethostate in bali. Im for it
>>62788461>we'reI knew this board was infested with third world retards
>>62792897>I'm into stocks and bonds only>>62792876lol go back to /smg/ with OP and his ilk
>>62788461godspeed Morgan stanley indo. I enjoy your posts, and I wish I knew as much as you did.t. Goldman Sachs engineering anon p.s. philippines is going through worse, idk what these anons are saying that philippines is better, holy boy are they wrong, indo has stronger fundamentals, but the corruption between indo and PH is the same. if you're by pacific place op, I'd like to buy you a drink, or a meal at this rate wkwkwkw aku bule tapi tinggal di indo 5th+
>>62788461>MSCI just kicked indonesia out of emerging market. we're no longer a developing country. we're officially a standalone country.I don't understand isn't this a good thing? You are now first world
>>62788461>>62788479God bless you m8. Jesus Christ you should have seen how red my portfolios are. Especially on GOTO m8. I wanna curse Muhammadiah and NU so bad. This is all their fault
>>62797618Naah nigga. We're basically demoted from "richest poor country, almost first worlder" to back being on level with Africa
>>62792751Is it not common for people in Indonesia to move to Singapore? Or even Australia/NZ?I have great disdain for the mass movement of third worlders flooding the economically more successful countries around, but on a personal level... seems like it's the best option for you, just saying.
>>62792751My Indoniggas there's one hope to legally escape: LPDP and master degree aboard. Use it to just escape the country.
>>62788479Your mistake was to invest locally, im a europoor and i dont own a single local stock of etf
>>62788461Do you have a sister you could sell me? I'm a cool guy, I'll be nice.
>>62792713They depreciate in use, they are capital.
>>62797651oh i see you went backwardslol sucks to sucky cant you just be like china bro
>>62797648I have few bbca, icbp and indf. Fucking haji asem.
I just went home from workIHSG today opened -5%, closed at -3.64%better than expected, but this is also due to IDX intervention to promptly changed the floor from -15% to -7%. the purpose is obviously to avoid circuit breaker at -8% for reputational purpose. fucking scums.The CEO of the IDX also gave an interview and he said "I don't know why MSCI want to downgrade Indonesia". a statement so very stupid I thought he was just pretending to be retarded, but there's a possibilty he's that retarded.Anyway, going forward it's probably gonna rebound for a bid and then they'll torture the market for the next 6 months in a slow bearish manner as foreign investors exit little by little every single day. I don't care. not my problem anymore.
>>62798090Moving on from IHSG, with the help of workplace AI subscription, I've started learning US stocks intensively starting with tech stocks. I asked for Top 10 according to combination of market cap + liquidity for Big/Mid/Small cap for each Sector (total 30 stocks for each sector) and read through profiles, financials and chart technicals of every single one of them. I plan to study 1 sector / day. Honestly tech big cap stocks like MSFT, NVDA, AAPL scare me. the charts are fucking exponential, reminds me of Indonesian meme moon stocks like WBSA, RLCO, BREN, DSSA aka stocks that MSCI find problematic.I'm a swing trader with bias on technical trend, so according to my ass, for short swing...for Mid Cap Stocks, I found these interesting: DDOG, SNOW, ZS, MDB, HUBS, DT, ONfor Small Cap: CRDP. VECO, POWI, PEGA, PRGS, RPDthoughts?
>>62797992I really hate BBCA because of its premium valuation the dividend yield during its normal pre-MSCI judgment period, it was consistently 2-3%. too small. I like BMRI the best for its higher dividend yield and growth. Now sitting at 15%++ yield, assuming div.payout ratio is about the same. but no one really knows especially after BMRI's involvement in BYAN's hostile takeover by palm oil mafia backed by the corrupt government.INDF is great because of its predictable movement, whenever the price went towards or below 6000, I always buy a lot and always made profit because it always rebounded to over 7000. slow but steady. very nice for a long swing trading. for ICBP, same group as INDF, so I'd rather buy INDF only.But ALL stocks are down and the market is on an extreme bearish trend anywya, so nothing matters.
>>62797665>>62797662I already have a Master's in Finance and it's too late anyway. I'm too old (30).>>62797707yes, but she's a NEET WEEB. if my parents die, she'll definitely be doomed cuz she's too socially anxious to find a husband and I refuse to take care of her.>>62797669Yes and I'm trying to fix that.>>62797534Yes I work in SCBD at one of the stock brokerage companies. everyone is so stressed here. nothing goes right in this country. Man, I really want to work at a foreign brokerage like CGS International, Maybank or JP Morgan, but I don't know how. one of the recruiters contacted me once but he ghosted me immediately. fucking asshole.
>>62798120American tech companies are overvalued, if you look at european small and mid caps there are good opportunities like Vallourec, LDC SA or Gedeon Richter.
>>62789024LMAOdude coulda bought bitcorn and done nothinginstead he tried being smartmany such cases sad!
>>62788479>-40% YTDCUT MY LIFE INTO PIECES
>>62797669I’m a burger and I’m 70% US and 30% international for equities. Small small holding of bonds. Some gold. Half a BTC. Bunch of stinkies too.
>>62788479>and it all just evaporated.
>>62789413TruthIn reality I expect some virtually unknown 98% premined pos spaghetti codeware abomination to be the chosen replacement to USD when the chips fall (before it implodes from vibecoding slop breaking the chain some day) while btc/xmr continue to crab in price action but continue to grow in use without being talked about outside of highly technical circles (which by default excludes post covid chans)
>>62798145Does she bathe? Can see speak broken English?
