How do you respond without sounding mad?
i wouldn't. i would listen. and that's what no one did.
I'm so fucking steamed you have no idea. This is taking years off my life.
This shit makes me mad as fuck
>>62796501If everyone has everything then money has no value. The rich will start trading with non-fiat means which will even further exclude the lower classes.
>>62796501The moment you allow the government to tax (or rob) rich people simply because being wealthy is treated as a moral failing, you discourage people from making money, knowing that the surplus belongs to the state. Meanwhile, the government continues reckless, wasteful spending while no one holds them accountable, leading to total societal inefficiency. The fundamental reality is that wealthy individuals fear the masses and are willing to pay for private security, while the state becomes far too powerful to ever be trusted.
>>62796501I am for taxing the rich but my problem is the government is no good at spending the tax dollars. They will just flood us with more welfare niggers and waste money on LGTB propaganda
Based, billionaires should pay 90% tax and eat my asshole at least once per year.
>>62796531>If everyone has everything then money has no value.complete nonsense>>62796533the rich own the government right now doofus
the thing is, if everyone could just shut the fuck up and work 4 hours a day for the SuperState everything would have gone just fine. the communist half of the world was an earnest global experiment but it was proved time and time again that 4 hours of work, and a life of art literature and modesty outside a pencil pushing bureaucracy was just too fucking hard to manage and everyone takes every chance they can to screw their nearest neighbor in that environment.
>>62796563If the wealthy already own the government, arguing over taxing them is pointless because they will always find loopholes to avoid it.
>>62796501Highly antisemitic post from a Twitter fag trying to make money from his own fagotry. Commies never have the ability to create the means. Only to steal them.
>>62796501Billionaires already pay taxes. Try to respond to this without sounding retarded OP.
>>62796717We don't actually.
>>62796567Obvious revisionism. Soviet leadership strictly forbade any form of art that did not repeat past "masterpieces" verbatim and that did not align with a strict set of state-sponsored messaging, which, by definition, made it non-art (though some rather brave/stupid individuals tried to make art nonetheless). Soviet citizens (slaves) did not screw over their "comrades" out of spite or malice, but because it was the only way to claw anything resembling a pleasant life, and this was true all the way from the bottom to the top, and this is for the very simple reason that a state-planned economy is so hilariously inefficient that it is unable to account for even the most basic needs of its people.
>>62796501>Be rich>Be faced with choice to spend money on taxes or spend money on leaving 99% of the time rich people choose to leave
anyone else notice how all the commies have moved from millionaires to billionaires recently or is it just me?
At what $ amount does it become immoral?
>>62797004I noticed the shift once Bernie became a millionaire
>>62796501Government's have a class character and the tax money collected by our capitalists goes to serving capital interests. It goes to corporate bailouts and imperialist capitalist wars. It serves the monopolists in their ends of protecting capital from the consquences of it's system. Only through overthrow of the government and establishment of the dictatorship of the proletariat can a lasting solution to the continuous capitalist crises be found and a path towards the construction of socialism and communism be obtained.
>>62797048just get a job, you commie leech
>>62797048>socialism and communismSo how's Cuba doing?
>>62797048the biggest united states federal spending is transfer payments to boomers, the second highest item is interest payments. get some new propaganda, comrade.
>>62796501I would be fine with this if the money was spent on productive people and not subhumans. Since that's not the case, I prefer the money staying at the hands of billionaires, out of spite.>inb4 billionaires dump money on subhumans as wellNot all of them, and not to the same degree.
>>62797080There does that money get spent? Ow yeah, paying mortgages and taxes, buying consumer goods and the like all from capital. It's your tax money briefly entering boomer hands then going to the same finance capitalists who make a fortune extracting surplus value from your labor>>62797067National Liberation movement that at best embraced revisionist Kruschevite era policies and became a resource appendage of Soviet Socialist Imperialism. They embraced full on Dengism(Bukharinism) in the 90s and are mass privatizing their economy now. The heroism of the anti-imperial struggle of the Cuban Revolution does not change the fact that they ignored Che's warnings and never prioritized the heavy industry necessary to begin developing the material basis for socialism and thus never achieved it.>>62797064I am employed.
>>62796501All Communists should face the wall. :)
If you tax poor people, you'll have no more poor people anymore.
>>62797135>But it wasn't real communismEverytime
>>62796570Donnie Darko meme:I've found a new way to tax billionairesNew way to tax billionaires or tax productivity and the middle class more again?Tax productivity and the middle class more again
>>62797172The USSR under Stalin achieved Socialism around the end of the 2nd 5 year plan with the final liquidation of the Kulaks. The immense success the USSR achieved under Stalin's government brought about the most rabid and total industrialization/modernization in history, was crucial in defeating the fascists in Europe, and put the USSR on the path to being the first nation in history to put men into space. NONE of these things would have been possible on the capitalist road.
>>62797193Al the ̶s̶l̶a̶v̶e̶ ̶l̶a̶b̶o̶r̶ gulags must have really helped.Imagine a workforce you don't have to pay for?I wonder why the US didn't think of that?
>>62796501easily. a tax on the rich is literally a tax on everyone.money is an indicator of shared interests
>>62796907Needful post saar
>>62797203The percentage of the population in gulags was smaller than the percentage of current US population incarcerated today. Additionally, gulag laborers almost universally did simple, extractive labor like mining and logging which was far from the largest and most crucial portion of the economy which was more broadly heavy industry (steel and concrete production, construction, machine building etc.)
>tankies on the business threadGME?
>>62797227You're dodging the issue.How did people wind up in gulags?How many of them died being forced to work?
>>62796506waow
a post scarcity society does not have billionaires because nothing costs a billion dollars in itTOTAL NIMBY DEATH
>>62797193Stalin got his ass pamppered by being supported by the two biggest captialists empires in the world in WW2deluded commie
>>62796501You ask:Why do we need billionaires at all?
>>62796501"You'll never be a woman."
>>62797248There will always be scarcity, even if you can print matter there will be some beach house somewhere that’s slightly nicer
>>62797236The death rates were similar to modern US prisons. They ended up there for a number of reasons usually related to heinous crimes like rape and murder.
>>62797254Less than 10% of all the Soviet supplies in ww2 were delivered via lend lease, largely after the battle of Stalingrad. It was a stopgap for losing the industrial capacity of the western regions in the early months of the war and largely consisted of unassembled components, foodstuffs and trucks. In that same timeframe the USSR independently produced over 100,000 tanks, half a million artillery pieces, over 20 million mosin rifles and 100s of billions of bullets.
>>62797048Communism fails because the leadership consists of champagne socialist and scoundrels. The proletariat are too retarded to run a government. The leftist intellectuals live in a fantasy theoretical world sniffing their own midwit farts. And any actually intelligent or entrepreneurial individual are persecuted and suppressed.
>>62797313but not enough demand for that scarcity to create some dude that has 999999999x more than the median householdagainTOTAL NIMBY DEATH
>>62797380communism fails because you need an extreme surplus of energy and goods for them to be "free"
>>62797380>>62797390Can either of you define:SocialismCommunismProletariat Bourgeoisie
>>62797324and german industrial capacity bombed daily by the capitalist allies of the soviet unionlend lease, which even soviet officials admited was crucial, was only one of th e ways, the commies were pampered
>>62797411The Germans were constantly able to adapt to allied bombing, and post war analysis by those countries showed that the most effective bombing they did was of logistics which they had little control over since they had little real guidance in where the bombs landed. The red army managed fine targeting logistics via the partisan organizations behind enemy lines they coordinated with through Stavka high command. And the often cited quotes about Soviet leadership talking about the importance of lendlease are usually fabricated, from revisionists long after the war to discredit Stalin, or just lies to get more equipment.
>>62797435worthless russian liarhow is the war going, Ivan?
>>62797443I am not Russian, nor do I support either side of the inter-imperialist conflict in Ukraine.
>>62797487so, youre just a liar
>>62797503How do I know you’re not lying and aren’t just working for some NGO or intelligence agency?
>>62797319>The death rates were similar to modern US prisons.I doubt the majority cause of death for US prisoners are death via starvation or being shot by guards>usually related to heinous crimesBeing late for work is the same class of crime as rape?
Ask norway or whoever, they did a new tax then some billionaires left and the additional income from the new tax was less than the traditional taxes missed due to them leavingOh well
>>62797004Because everyone is a millionaire nowadays due to stock market boom and property prices
>>62797539>LLM response which omits sourcesTry this source instead:https://www.greanvillepost.com/2018/10/09/the-truth-about-the-soviet-gulag-surprisingly-revealed-by-the-cia/As for penalties for being late to work, being chronically late to work under capitalism will get you fired and make you homeless. Under socialism work is a right and is compulsory and chronically tardiness becomes a crime that is solved through behavioral correction. Not all gulags were the same or of equal severity either.
>>62797569Apologies, this link is broken, the sources for these claims can be found in the following compilation:https://espressostalinist.com/the-real-stalin-series/gulag/
>>62797569>>62797572It doesn't omit source, I cropped the image to show the relevant info.The source you posted a literal blog.
>>62796545if the gov was more effective with tax dollars and thus our quality of life would drastically increase, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.But alas, retards think more tax money money to line politicians and big corpos pockets will magically solve the problem
>>62796501It's not true anyway, billionaires want to live in a nice developed country, not in some shithole that doesn't even have a proper tax system. Only thing you have to do is plug exploits that allow someone to dodge taxes by holding their money in country Y while living in country X.
>>62797403Right after you define the word fascism that you muppets likes to throw around.
>>62797790To quote Grigory Zdanov, “….the open terrorist dictatorship of the most reactionary, most chauvinistic, and most imperialist elements of finance capital.”
>>62796501I don't, I try not to engage with retarded people, nothing good ever comes out of it.
the fault is in the money itself. we need to go back to bartering governed by AI-lead system of real time value attribution of labor and goods.
>>62796501The world doesn't need billionaires
>>62796545>>62797620Who is lobbying the government to import infinity browns?Billionaires.If billionaires didnt exist the politicians would be less incentivized to flood the country
>>62796957Just tax them everywhere till they have no place to leave to.
>>62796567Would you mind explaining the differences between capitalism, socialism, and communism? For the class, please.
it sounds like you're mad and don't have any arguments, here are mineThe group project. A few people do most of the building and risk-taking, but the value spreads to everyone. Employees get paid either way; founders only get paid if it works.They keep almost none of the value. Nordhaus estimated innovators capture about 2% of the social value of their innovations. The other 98% goes to the rest of us.“The 1%” isn’t who you think. Billionaires hold about 3% of world wealth. The top 1% globally starts around $1m net worth, which is mostly ordinary older homeowners.Most founders lose, and winners get taxed like lottery winners. Entrepreneurship returns no more than an index fund for far more risk. The state takes a cut of the wins but doesn’t share the losses.Their cut of your spending is pennies. Bezos’s share of the profit on £1 spent at Amazon is under 1p. The Waltons’ is about 1–1.5p at Walmart.They pay a huge share of the bill. The top 1% pay close to 30% of UK income tax and about 40% of US federal income tax.Your wages depend on their capital. Wages rise when workers have better tools, and the wealthy fund a disproportionate share of that investment.
>>62798010the classic no argument response "thats not socialism" meanwhile page52 das kapital
>>62798040>Your wages depend on their capital. Wages rise when workers have better tools, and the wealthy fund a disproportionate share of that investment.Lmao no, they just bribe politicians to import infinity browns cheap labor
>>62796555Youre a massive failure in life and will remain on until the day you did. Theres no escape.Put the fries in the bag
>>62796501*farts, pisses, and shits pants* FUCK
It's just a ploy to increase everyone's taxes or even tax unrealized gains. Call me when they do something meaningful like increasing the standard deduction to an amount you could actually live off of.
>>62797048Communism won't get me pussy so why should I support a revolution? We need to redistribute sexual capital instead.
>>62798010Capitalism: the highest level of commodity form of economy, predicated on the wage relation and the extraction of surplus value through the extortion of the special commodity of labor power from the proletariat due to the private ownership of the means of production. Economic development driven by profit. Socialism: from each according to their ability, to each according to their work. Common ownership of the means of production by the working class (the only class: i.e. classless society). Production for use rather than profit, the means of production owned either collectively (lower form) or nationally (higher form) with wages paid for the full value of labor inputCommunism: from each according to their ability, to each according to their need. The highest form of classless society that would entail the elimination of scarcity and thus the elimination of commodities (items produced for sale rather than need). Automation becomes so total and production so trivial, everyone effectively receives all of their needs through nothing more than their own individual labor input. It has not yet been developed anywhere on earth.
>>62797503you sound fucking retarded
>>62796501Billionaires have no place in civil society.
>>62797403yesit's called neologism it's all talmudic fugazi
>>62796501Everyone who doesn't hold conservative beliefs is literally a retard. I did't believe it almost. But seems true. How did this happen there when and retards make the rues for everyone?
Billionaire marginal propensity to consume is near 0%.Government marginal propensity to consume is near 100%.Transfer of wealth from the super rich to the government = spend resources now rather than invest them for the future. You're making society worse off in the future to make it better off today. The exception to this is when government spends the money on things that actually make the world a better place in the long term rather than consuming it or redistributing it to people with a high propensity to consume it. Stuff like education, infrastructure, fighting climate change, etc.
>>62800550Leftists can't think past their next orgasm.
>>62797851So you can't actually define it?Socialist = Communist who doesn't want to admit itCommunist = Thief and MurdererProletariat = The unwitting Army of the Communist: the working class who are promised a better life but in the end get the same shit they always getBourgiousie = The Middle Class who don't need to slave for a boss to put food on their table and pose an actual threat to the Communists' financiers monopolistic domination of the economy.
>>62797929The world doesn't need retards or communists either, but I repeat myself.
>>62800507You're wrong. It has always been terms to describe you, the poor retard, who thinks his life will get better by ruining hs employer or state/government, you dumb fuck. The problem is you. And te dribble is that you would rather feel 'anti-racist' than kill all niggers
without rich people, we are the same country as whatever 500$ a month thirdie shitholeWhy do you think your deserve 30 dollars an hour for brainless labor that any 90 IQ thirdie could do?
>>62800635>trickle down economics in the big 26 oof
>>62796501They will leave to another country. They are mobile. They have the means. They are not your typical goy slave that you can extort mr government mafia enforcer.
so your plan is to tax the people who provide jobs? well, has that worked out well historically? there must be many happy, wealthy socialist countries, right? right
>>62800575Petit bourgeois idealism
>>62801222so? let them go ruin another country
Taxing le rich megahard is just trickle down economics but more retarded. The politicians who get the tax cashflow act just like the rich when it comes to squandering and embezzling the money too.
>>62801243yes tax the rich that provide jobs. There is no reason for billionaires or trillionaires to exist
>tankies>on fucking bizWhat in tardationWe hate the poor here.
>>62801507who is "we" anon?
>>62800635what have these rich people done other than inherit? Every single one of the top 100 most rich people has been born into that position. Elon musks parents had a diamond mine.
>>62800550>Billionaire marginal propensity to consume is near 0%.Proofs?
>>62801488>1488Checked>ruin another countryWhy ruin? Let them leave to a less rich country and improve its economy until it starts taxing them as well. Rinse & repeat. Mission accomplished.
>>62796501First Seize all of their assets then hang them from the nearest lamp post
