This is almost all essential static loads. refrigerator(s), freezer(s), 2x weekly laundry, a few hours of TV during the evenings and one 20 min combined shower together.I think my wife might be turning the tv on during the day. we have an electric dryer. I suggested switching to a clothes line for drying laundry and she told me "only if you're going to hang and bring it in."Its just the two of us and our house is only 140sqm. I mean, we do have a 37sqm basement, but i'm not sure if that even matters.
Get a job
My bill was like 700 dollars
I think you’ve hit the point of diminishing returns and any further savings will be not worth the costI’m pretty sure clothes line drying isn’t worth either as you spend an hour easily vs a couple dollars
>>62814493I work full-time in construction. paid 2x monthly 1st & 15th.
>>62814485Doesn't seem all that much for a 140 m2 flat per month tbqhI pay like 4-5x that for a similar size plus 2 kids
>>62814501Are you an Indian making under the table wages? If 5-10 snow pesos is breaking you you're just fucked.
>>62814512We are both white. Scandinavian ancestrry, Welsh descent, Irish heritage. I have long brown hair, hazel eyes. wife has long strawberry blonde hair, blue eyes. I work above board and pay my ransom to the crown.
>>62814558You’re brown
You might think this will make you rich but you're actually very obviously poor.
>>62814581
Unplug your microwave.
>>62814677That’s a nice sheep
>>62814699 inaccurate assessment. He would break every bone in my body if given half a chance.
>>62814485Jackary boxes.
Here is mine. 2 bedroom, 2 floor apartment plus a basement/integral garage. I live alone and the bill is higher because I run the AC.
>>62814944>I run the AC.
>>62814485Put this in actual non-French revolution units, such as Imperial, and I will bother reading it.
Scrounging for pennies will never make you rich. Its not the effort involved. You could make your life suck to save 200$ a year, but as you approach retirement age the net effect will be if you want to retire 1 month earlier or not. Its a lot of wasted time for nothing. If you need money this bad, I'm sure you can find better ways. Like working a few saturdays for cash jobs. I was thinking along these lines a few months ago. I can save 400$ with a different credit card benefits, 300$ with workplace benefits, 500$ with car insurance .... and after all that shit it makes basically no difference to my retirement timeline. Focusing on the small cookies when there are big things like why don't I just get a new job that pays 20k more, and all this penny pinching means nothing but making my life harder for no reason.Better Job > Side Hustling for cash on the weekends > Penny Pinching
>>62815149I make decent money for my geography at my full-time job. I make additional income reselling appliances and my wife makes $500-$1500 each month on livestock sales.we are debt free except for our mortgage.
>>62814485Solar panel and battery, get a small calculator sized one as clearly Finland has never discovered the benefits of an A/C. In the small of a space I bet it gets hot and uncomfy. Needs a crisp 67 degree farnheit. So get a A/C is your best bet is what I am saying, so that you increase your plebeian bill to a level the panel and battery might be worth it.
>>62815489none of that made any sense. I read it 10 times. can't make heads or tails of it.
>>62814485>I think my wife might be turning the tv on during the day.I'm red in the face right now. You know exactly what you need to do to pay less for that thing you measured. You looked real close at every degree and even found the sharpest ones. You did a great job. It's all about the money, plane and simple. The work is done, the barrier is crossed, and it costs you more than you need to pay to break it again. More than you have I mean. More than you borrowed I mean. More than I gave you I mean. More than there even is. That'll shut her up.
>>62814485>>62814485If the goal is just to get the monthly electric bill as low as possible you should purchase rooftop solar panels. Yeah they’ll never pay themselves back in a polar climate but negative ROI is clearly not a concern given the costs of all your other electricity saving measures.Also, take a thermal detector and scan the house for any missing insulation/broken window seals/etc. Uou could save a pretty penny on heat if it turns out there’s a cold spot in the house.
>>62815646Obvious JELD shill. You need thick, hard, custom, live edge wood doors. With trim. Quadtillion 6 rule: 6" depth, 6' height, 66" wide. If you don't get this door global warming will boil bats out of hell slam thru and nab your juuls. It's a cookie really. You don't value your hobbyhole at all if you don't keep shadows out and let only big and talls in.I bet next you're going to say to use polished brass knobs instead of aluminum. You're the one thinking about how I do in-and-out, not me! Help!
>>62814485lmao just make more money. this mindset is so stupid using time and mental space to save a couple dollars when you have to pay this bill every month anyway.
in la right now ppl are going insane over 3-4k utility bills and we have another hike in october lol lmao even
>>62815626>solar panel and battery cost 4500$ and save far beyond 50$ spent.It’s that simple anon. Funnel that into an Air Conditioning Apparatus, that humans use. This appliance technology allowed the creation of what the simpletons refer to as hell, the damned babies. But really, Satan would be comfortable in a goonest of holes like SeGOON Texas, next to New Braunfels. Of course the Germs would spawn a portal of hell.
Damn that's pretty cheap imo. I paid $650 a month during the summer here in new jersey in a relatively tiny 620sqft house. I'm not poor and I refuse to cut back on anything but it was still pretty frustrating.
>>62814485max minner
>>62814485It still blows my mind that like most Americans aren't just using solar power. It's been out for while and it's dirt cheap to buy panels and entirely energy unlike boomer energy. Like it's 2026, unless you live in Alaska or or something, it makes no sense at all.
my energy answer would be like 150k in the stock market that would pay my energy bills, another 150k for property tax, another 150k for food, car insurance, inspection...
>>62814485It must be very exhausting living with you, and I feel sorry for your wife. TLC should contact you for a modern reboot of Extreme Cheapskates.
>>62814485how do you make hot water ? if its a instant water heater there's not too much to optimize. if you have a electric boiler you could insulate it more since they are badly insulated (door size restriction) and you lose about 1/3 to 1/2 of heat through that if it is oversized. you could also replace it with a heat pump based boiler but the upfront cost is substantial if not done yourself (and you should still but more insulation on).However as this guy >>62814497 pointed out, your electricity bill isn't outragiously high and you won't save much more going forward. better to invest in solar power and maximize self use of that power.also i would personall put the water heater to at least 55°C unless you use the full amount every day because of legionella, but you do you.
>>62814485>trans cost recoveryOP is a ladyboyMany such cases
>>62815798That's a good spread. Let's escalate this at the Suburban Exchange Commission and see what they say.
>>62815646house is 2023 build. Zip board and tape envelope with sprayfoam insulation. >>62815885wife is home at hearth, happy & horny.>>6281589380gal heat-pump water heater. it goes up to 51° during the day.
>>62815798We do have investments. not as much as I would like, but we have ~$120k in VTSAX, VIG, VXUS, VBR, VGT and a bit in petroleum stocks. our mortgage is ~$140k @ $1,250/mo on 4.25% rate on our 10 acre homestead. we do not have any consumer debt. and own our vehicles outright: 27 year old work truck and a 2014 luxury compact.
>>62814485You're incredibly pathetic and I hope your miserable wife leaves your stupid, broke ass.
>>62816255I hate to let you down, anon, but my wife thrives in our lifestyle. I work & earn, she cleans, cooks, gardens, raises & butcheres livestock, all at her own pace, in a custom designed new construction house that we had built to fit our specs and needs. i pay the bills & crown's ransom, she tends the home, reads, relaxes in her clawfoot then greets me with dinner, adoration and appreciation when I come home to a well run and maintained homestead.this is the way we were meant to live... before the working class became slaves supporting the welfare system for 3rd world leeches.
>>62816400The working class has been slaves since civilization was created so I dont know where you got the idea that anything has changed. Trying to save $10 on your electric bill is schizo, mentally ill behavior.Fortunately the intelligent people like myself know how to make money while you stress out over pennies.
the german-niggers were the first to do this as far as i know but it's far better than being totally beholden to the electricity jew so long as you dont mind the initial upfront cost
>>62816400>I work and earn>having a mental breakdown over 50 bucksBWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA
>>62816768>Debt-Free>Homeowner>Rural>Acreage>Independent>Married>HappyLet's discuss your land, home, accomplishments resiliance & satisfaction.>BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA!!
>>62815782Unless it's subsidized or your utility has silly buyback rates it doesn't make sense. Electricity is pretty cheap in most parts of the country. The break even time on a solar panel investment can be 10+ years (never when you consider opportunity cost)
>>62817375You dont have any of these things if you're trying to save $50
>>62814485I have never seen an electric bill this low. I use 4x the amount of electricity you do. My delivery charge alone would be higher than your entire bill. Find somewhere else to save or make money you penny pinching pleb.
>>62815782It's not dirt cheapSolar is heavily dependent on where you put them. You need them to face south most of the time. So the best place for most americans is on the roof. If the roof doesn't face south they're not going to make good electric. If the panels cost $15k to install, and you only end up saving $100/month + it adds little to no value to the home for resale, nobody bothers.
>>62814485It looks like most of your bill is service fees that will get added even no matter how much electricity you cut. 48 is nothing, find something else to budget. I got a pretty expensive solar system and I was still paying like 160 the last 4 months due to a/c.
>>62818026I got solar right before the tax credit ended. I think I spent like 37k on it, and got like 11k back in a refund. They estimate it will take 8 years to pay itself off, and I'm happy with it because I have roommates and I can't control their electric usage and order them to conserve during peak hours. What made me the maddest is that they installed the powerwall battery outside and during the summer it literally gets so hot the battery doesn't work. They fucked me on that, I'm tempted to pay another company to move it into the garage or something.
>>62818072The tax credit is also DOA now cause the republicans hate the idea of americans being independent from anything.
>>62814485Lol Americans were laughing at Britain for being pro renewables. I don't even pay any electric bills since I have solar panels and a battery.
>>62818137Yeah, I don't get it. In america there are a lot of predatory people that will lease solar panels with really horrible contract.s and idiots get suckered into them. Then that gives solar a bad name. And not every home is suited for them, but I'm in arizona and literally 70% of home should fucking have solar panels. At least eventually we'll get better battery technology like the sodium batteries. that way it may be worth having a battery on most homes even without solar panels, then most homes would have emergency backup, and be able to charge from the grid during cheap electricity hours.
>>62818137>Americans were laughing at BritainIt's not hard to do that.
no drier or washing machine, do it all by hand like us 3rd worlders.
>>62818204I'm guessing you are being facetious, but in reality, it only costs like 50 cents to dry a load of clothes. Maybe more if you live in an expensive area and run it during peak hours. At a certain point you have to value an hour of your free time over 50 cents. Now, I do think sun drying clothes can have a couple of merits, like if you have stinky workout clothes that even the washer can't deodorize, the sun may help. But you are also sun bleaching your clothes as well.
>>62814677Nice picture of your wife.
>>62816174>80gal heat-pump water heaterso probably oversized. yeah, more insulation could help, but seriously, your electricity use is so low and the price you pay per kWh is so low, i'd really consider other ways to save/make money, since you might stave off 1-3 percent per year while the expenditure (including time) is most certainly much higher. if you had to pay like europoors ($0.4 or more per kWh) you certainly could keep on optimizing but you're running out of ROI at this point
The biggest draw to your power is going to be either washing machines or your air conditioning, or your fridge/freezer not the tv or the light bulbs, anything that uses a motor.
>>62814485I think you should look at other things to save money... Your style of writing tells me you are too autistic to do that though.
>>62816174>>62818461oh and a washing machine with hot and cold water support, since your boiler is more efficient, but THAT only gives ROI once your old machine goes out.
>>62817502total investment in our system, after rebates was ~$11,500. that covered EVERYTHING; panels, inverter, batteries, concrete, posts, frames, mount rails, wiring, conduit, trenching, cable, the *entire building* the batteries/inverter is housed in, and insulation. DIY installed by me, with some help from my 81 year old (at the time) dad. ROI ESTIMATE: 8 YEARS. that doesn't even address all the times The Grid power goes out and we are totally unaffected. since we are so far out on the grid service it goes out often, a few times it has been down for over 18 hours.>>62817862yeah, sure... because a guy who watches what and where he spends surely cant be financially sound, right? only a dysfunctional moron actually tracks their spending and tries to budget and improve on it. also: see new build, rural house in photos above, livestock and wife milking.>>62818062cheers, fellow based, grid-independent Anon. can you just build a shelter over & around your battery?>>62818088seethe, communist>>62818137Cheers.>>62818149if you cant DIY solar is not for you.sodium batteries are junk. power curve is pathetic. learn basics before spouting what you hear, from others who dont get it either. ACTUAL DATA: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zSPSCC3_hHw you probably wont watch it so I wont link the other supporting video from ~6 months ago. link is on video if you actually want to learn and understand what you parrot garbage about.>>62818461wife and I take Looooong showers together in our 25sqft shower-for-two with 3 heads.>>62818499yeah. HVAC eats up 1/3 of total production in July. we heat with wood stoves primary, and dont use HVAC in shoulder seasons. thats why I specified recent bill was mostly static loads in OP.>>62818710already have a Samsung 2024 new-ish model full size wash machine. what modern machine doesnt have hot & cold options??picrel of recent full day production and use. same day in both sides. left side is peak stats, right side 23:59
>>62820244>sodium batteries are junkcertainly the current generation>wife and I take Looooong showersyeah still at 80 gallons i'd put more insulation on the boiler. if it's somewhere ugly you can just wrap some glaswool or old blankets around it and wrap it in kitchen foil. also consider a thermosiphon/heat trap, that'll save you 30-50% of heat energy on the boiler (both combined) and probably give a good ROI (3-8 years).>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_trapunless you use a circulating pump, then all of this is useless, since you're losing half your heat that way already.
50 dollars and you cry? nigger in europe it s the same if not more and europoors earn less
17m3 cut, bucked & stacked. 98 million BTUs. better than free heat; I got paid $2000 to cut it down, log and load it. I was given a brand new MS271 Stihl chainsaw to keep and supplied with the 1st 3.25L of fuel, which was sufficient to cut down and process 11m3 of it. I did spend ~$100 to rent a splitter and used 16 hours of my own time (unpaid) to split and stack it. this will reduce our heating bill to essentially $Ø this year and next. we we will still use some ductless mini-split heat in the milder times, but thats "free" as well.I think i can get our bill under $35.
