gonna get this: should i get something else? I used to be poor so had an $80 set of teflon crap from TFal. Now slowly have more cash (already put money into 401k + ETFs, don't worry) so wanna buy nice pans. wanna start with this one. any other thoughts or ideas? thanks anonymous 4chan.
I have the same pan. It's great. Once seasoned, it's simple to maintain. I use this alongside my cast iron pans
>>22038863this is supposed to be a good pan, but if you dont have anything but nonstick why not just start with some cheaper stainless steel?
>>22038888I also own the same pan but maintaining the seasoning isn't as simple as you make it out to be.
>>22038863>133 dollars for a gimmick scam panYou bought the top and it's obvious that you will be poor forever. Get stainless steel from IKEA you dumb poorfaggot.
>>22038863i think you need to take a serious look in the mirror and ask yourself if your skill level is high enough to justify such an expensive pan.
>>22038863Mafter is the gold standard for carbon steel. But you should probably figure out if you like carbon steel first. Don't buy a Ferrari if you can't drive a VW. I would buy a cheap cast iron pan first then see how you enjoy seasoning it every use. It can be a pain in the ass. And you can always use the 20 dollar lodge for stews and pizza. And like some other faggot said, even if you end up loving carbon steel, you'll probably end up using a stainless pan more often just because they are so much easier to take care of. What's it like being 17 and never cooked before?
Just buy an All Clad D3 or Made In 12” stainless steel pan.
>>22038863wtf, carbon steel pans have always been pretty cheap, kinda like raw cast iron skillets.I own a 28 cm Debuyer Carbone Plus pan, which is also high quality and made in France, but I paid like 30 eurobucks for it. The main difference compared to Matfer is that the handle is riveted, but it's not a big deal for most.
>>22038863I don't have a matfer but I do have a Darto 4mm no.30 and I love it. The gimmick is that it is a steel plate that has been pressed into a pan shape, there's no weld or rivet to fail. But that makes the handle heavy so if you don't strong enough then aren't buy one. If you want to have all nice pans, you are starting out the right way, this skillet will meet almost any need you have of a skillet for the rest of your life.Just don't leave it wet. >>22038907you're fucking up anon, there is no maintenance required on a carbon steel pan, you season it once and then you cook with it forever. You only need to think about maintenance if you are a reatard who fucks up his pan. >>22040224stainless steel is harder to maintain>scour the bejeezus out of it any time any grease gets cooked in>be very careful what you use or you'll scratch the finish!>need to polish it pretty often or it looks like shitvs carbon steel's maintenance procedure >not do any of that, just wash it when you are done cooking like you would anything elseeveryone should have a couple sizes of stainless steel pots and one carbon steel skillet and that's really all you need for pretty much everything.
>>22038863Carbon steel is a meme, just get stainless steel.
>>22038863If you want an actual nice pan look for copper on ebay. Make sure it has a stainless steel and no tin lining though. >>22040277I bought a huge ass Debuyer 46 cm pan for 45€.
>>22038888>>22038907I also own the same pan. im gay btw if that matters
This is what most restaurants use. Cheap, works as a home defense weapon, shield and commode if you're desperate. $30. Buying high end carbon steel is like buying high end raw cast iron (I'm not talking the enameled staub stuff) the material is the limiting factor more than the manufacturer there's no point in paying a ton it is what it is.
>>22040746I would pay double not to deal with rivets anytime. Carbon steel and rivets? Name a worse combo
What does carbon steel have over stainless? Its not a knife that needs to be sharp.
>>22041216Non-stick properties.
>>22038863Buy a darto pan instead
Why not just get stainless steel?I'm looking to buy a new pan and that's what I'm thinking of getting
>>22038863Matfer have gone up in price a lot in the last couple of years. Definitely excellent pans but after having owned several, I barely use them anymore. I switched to All-Clad stainless years ago and find that I use those along with my cast irons far more than the carbon steel. True, the CS are the most 'inbetween' pans, I've grown to prefer the extremes of high heat retention, non-stick-ish and durability of cast to the light weight, excellent heat control and versatility of SS.Cast iron requires more maintenance, SS requires more technique. Carbon steel is like cast iron with some SS behavior.Lodge for inexpensive cast iron and homeandcooksales for outlet sales on All-clad will get you where you want to be. Ideally having all three and maybe some enameled cast iron just because.
>>22041216>>22041236the natural nonstick seasoning is definitely a factor, but carbon steel also has a much better thermal conductivity than stainless steel, like the triple.
>>22042341You could buy ss with a copper core if you want a better conductivity. Personally i'd go the extra mile and buy a ss lined copper pan though. Especially if you also want to make sauces with the pan.
>>22042341>carbon steel also has a much better thermal conductivity than stainless steelhope you meant thermal capacity, retardhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdORIBH3R88
>>22042462the heat capacity of carbon steel and stainless steel are almost the same, about 450 J/kg•K, while the thermal conductivity of stainless is much worse than carbon steel because of the other metals included in the alloy (15-20 W/m•K instead of 45-50).But most stainless pans have an aluminum layer to improve the conductivity, so you have to take that into account too.
>>22042593virtually no stainless steel pans have no core. stainless steel pans have virtually the same conductivity as the core metal. that's my point, >>22042341 should try not being a dishonest nigger. stainless won. you have skill issues if you prefer non-stick in the face of the many advantages of stainless steel
>>22040220what a colossal faggot
>>22040746Yeah, all my stainless steel pans and pots in addition to my wok are from Winco. It's bulletproof and well priced
>>22038863Matfers are restaurant pans. They're thinner and lighter and are made for high output gas burners.Home burners are smaller both in size and output. Makes it difficult to get good even heat. That also makes the pan susceptible to bowing which is a problem with these pans. It's also too thin for worry free induction usage for the same reasons. Get a 3mm thick pan at minimum. deBuyer mineral B (pro if you can) Darto if you're cooky and can handle the weight (and no lid compatibility) or Ikea VARDAGEN if you want value and don't fear china steel contaminants.
>>22042721seems like you looked in the mirror and didn't like what you saw
Maybe you should reconsider buying the arsenic pan.
>>22040277>wtf, carbon steel pans have always been pretty cheap,Explain the Eurofag obsession with pan prices. Why does this matter to you?
>>22038863Get a lightweight high quality stainless pan instead. MadeIn 12” is what I suggest. Replaces so many other pans.
>>22042977>MadeIn 12” is what I suggest.You are required by federal trade practices law to disclose your sponsorships.
>>22043037Not sponsored, but I’ve cooked with a large amount of different stainless steel pans, and really really like theirs. It helps that I do not have burly arms, so the lighter weight of the large pan allows me to do things far more capably than i could otherwise.
>>22038863you can buy a case of carbon steel pans for the same price from a restaurant supply store. youll get the seasoning right or 2 or 3 of them and they will last forever.
>>22042967Yes bare steel leaches shit into your food. No metal pan outside of the titanium ones are nonreactive enough to not leach shit into your food. Being french I also have to mention that Tefal, one of the leading manufacturers of non stick pans in the world is based in France and has a strong lobbing team. They have been running bots on social media content recommending pans that aren't non stick or talking about the health concerns of such pans to spam damage control comments. They also managed to kill a PFAS ban last year. It's very likely that this is Tefal putting their thumb on the scale considering Matfer has been OK in the eyes of the labs since testing began.
>>22043114*lobbying.
>>22043064What made you go balls-deep with a company that's been in business all of 9 years, instead of All-Clad, which literally invented the tri-ply stainless pan and has been making them for 60 years?
>>22043114>It's very likely that this is Tefal putting their thumb on the scaleThe story is that cookware in France is regulated by their hyper-local governments--think, like US states except French. It would be the equivalent of California making them put a Prop 65 warning on every item sold within the state that they haven't tested for lead. In this case, the regulator tested the pan in a way that was pretty weird - boiling vinegar in the pan for 2 hours. There was also no follow up. For example, Demeyere treats their stainless pans with acid to remove trace metals from the surface. It's likely that further tests of the Matfer pan would result in lower readings, since the surface had been scoured already.
>>22043114why are you worried about carbon and iron in your food? do you know what beef is made out of?
>>22043132I didn’t even check the price of all clad, but I did assume it would be more expensive and more weight. Can you prove that assumption wrong?
>>22038863shit is gonna warp the moment u deglaze the fond with chicken stock out the fridge
>>22043137sounds like you can sell anything you want in CA if you can it and put a sticker on it that says it might cause cancer. why bother testing. nobody fucking cares about that shit anymore
>>22043203Are you retarded? Are you aware of what All-Clad is, or does 100% of your knowledge of cookware come from youtube influencers who are all sponsored by Made-In?
>>22043207 They do put Prop 65 stickers on every single item at Chinese grocery stores, including plastic straws, but for if you're a normal ultra-liberal white or BBL California woman, would you really want to purchase the almond milk from the grocery store that says it contains lead?
fuck im exhausted from this shit
>>22043245Which part of this post is selling me on AllClad being better than the competitor
>>22042972And still Euros are the ones owning copper pans and pots.
