Have you ever tried it? If so, what was it like?If not, Would you?
>>22055944If I saw meat that looked like that, I'd think there was something wrong with it and throw it out.
>>22055953If I saw meat that looked like that, I’d eat it.
>>22055953funny thing that sinew, the one thing that makes meat feel like meat, can make soneone feel like gagging when chewing non meat
>>22055944It's unlikely anyone here has tried it. It's only available in a limited number of places for short periods of time. It's funny to see all the Facebook boomers complaining about how their cheap meat is actually 3d printed and warning each other of how to identify it when it's not even being sold in stores.>If not, Would you?If it was shown to be the same as decent quality meat, then yes. My concern is that companies have already said their product is less nutritious, but they try to convince you that's actually a good thing by saying what it lacks is bad for you anyway. Funny coincidence. I don't feel any attachment to vague notions about "real" meat being inherently better, especially since most of the "real" meat being eaten is from animals in poor conditions on unnatural diets anyway.
>>22055944Meatloaf already exists
>>22055944I'd be open to trying it but that looks like garbage desu
Lots of meat at supermarkets is 3D printed. If it doesn't have a bone it's probably 3D printed
>>220560083D printed meat is still more expensive than the real thing. It's not being sold in stores. The existence of 3D printed meat is just making people realize that most of the meat they were eating is low quality.
>>22055944I'd try it. Still not sure if I'd want to know what it was printed from after I finish it or before I start…
never have, never will
>>22056008You are confusing 3D printing with meat glue
>>22055944i am very excited to eat it and I'm pissed it's not on the market yet. >>22055953what about meat that looks like this
>>22056197A and C look weird, B looks okay.. why?
>>22056198they're all the same piece of meat basically. it's lab cultured. c is cut and cross section view of b.
>>22056200Why does the fat look so bubbly?
>>22056008Are you a 70 years old addicted to facebook?
>>22056204they culture the cells separately then assemble them, i.e. "3D-printed meat". so what you're seeing is the "tubes" of fat that was assembled along with muscle to create a meat hunk. i think the top image is showing the arrangement of the "tubes".
>>22056215That texture sounds awful
>>22055968Yeah this is basically it for me. If it looked like meat, tastes like meat and was roughly as nutritious as meat I'd definitely give it a go. It's not like I'm attached enough to modern factory farming techniques to be put off by this.
I have zero trust in business.Either it's made with a waste product, is a loophole in some legal food quality standard, or is some kind of attempt to commercially disadvantage traditional farmer.the second consumers accept it, we will get 80% meat, 70% meat, reconstituted animal waste used as a feedstock, cannibalism, or they will put all the real farmers out of business then triple the price of the fake beef. Traditional beef farmers are no better their scope to fuck with our food is just limited by the presence of a real, living cow.
Also I read a WEF funded document about how this was a political objective, they were willing to spend billions on trying to shove this shit down our throats.Their issue was apparently that the high cost of protien rich food led to wealthy countries buying it all, suppressing population growth in poor countries, which for political reasons the WEF didn't like. They identified that rather then producing more meat, which would just lead to Americans eating more meat, they wanted to universally lower the quality of all protien rich food, on purpose, yes really, so rich people would just stop buying it all.There were a hundred pages of data and modeling, the main barrier was that rich people were prepared to pay for high quality meat, and they couldn't work out how to stop farmers producing and profiting from it. The second issue was that half the meat industry was onboard and could transition, but traditional farmers, a dude with a bunch of cows, couldn't access this new meatslop market so was never going to stop producing actual meat.I was actually there 6 years ago when the Gates foundation was trying to "fight famine" by creating the first artificial proteins, made with a kind of plant waste slurry treated with acid then reconstituted, fermented, with complex genetically engineered bacteria and this actually worked, and was the foundation for the current fake meats, which are basically the same protein slurry just textured.Knowing that this food "trend" isn't even necessarily driven by profit, but by political objectives of billionaires, we should kill it with fire
>>22056237>>22056241Livestock farms use an absurd amount of water and create literal counties full of waste. If 3D printing meat can be properly regulated then livestock farmers could keep less animals and be encouraged to farm quality over quantity. As long as the absolute best animals are sampled for the cells to be grown then the industry will have no reason to create gigantic factory farm operations with miles of chickens and pigs being fed slop by machines. It could very well turn animal farms into an art…if done right.
>>22056245That is one of the ad nauseum arguments which people want to believe, and industry lobbyists really, really want us to believe. And no matter how many times you refuse these lies, they make the exact same ones again faster then anyone can call them out, that is why lobbying is a real thing.
>>22056245what resources do these lab meats use?
>>22056241i think I'd rather listen to people who can spell protein correctly but i do appreciate your input.
>>22056259A thousand times less than traditional farmung methods.Stem cells are removed from a muscle and grown into a tissue, it takes a about 7 weeks to turn those cells into a product, 7 weeks is unbelievably fast when talking about the resources and time necessary to create edible proteins. MUCH faster than raising a cow, with less upkeep, tending to a giant heard/flock/ warehouse full of animals. Global meat production is expected to reach 465 Million tons by 2050. Think of the amount of water needed for that demand. A feedlot of 1,500 cows eating 40 pounds of food a day, means 60,000 pounds of food/day! We cannot sustain factory farming.
>>22056266You're talking absolute trash.One major issue is the energy use involved in processing and transporting anything, the cow transports itself without fossil fuels, and preserves it's own ass without a refrigerator. The ability to transport live cattle is half the reason we even produce meat. And then when you consider what the livestock eat, it's usually far more efficient to feed it to an animal and move the animal then trying to transport or process something like a million tons of corn.And then in terms of infrastructure, a fence, barn, well is pretty much all you need to raise livestock. barn raised cattle involve more but it's still really very little, with dairy it's approaching that "factory" level.But yo produce artificial meat you're talking about a square mile of factory, the biggest factories ever seen, period. Vats of slurry, fermentation tanks, mechanical inoculations, climate control, solar, mains power, it makes me angry that you would be so janiform as to call traditional meat farming "factory" when your alternative is a literal factory.And all that fake meat requires feedstock, chemical feed-stock. It doesn't just come from thin air. You are really talking about buying up huge amounts of farmland to produce industrial feed-stock rather then food humans could eat, or which animals could eat.
The largest fake meat producer in the US was Believer, which built a 100,000 square factory.Build by an isreali biomedical engineer they were sued by the builder for 30 million for unpaid bills, got FDA approval then immediately collapsed as investors pulled out. Interestingly the whole venture was funded not to make a profit, but by Nestle and other big foods companies simply to crack the market.He also was involved in testing covid-19 vaccines on this same fake meat. And is a WEF affiliate.I swear that I knew none of this half an hour ago, just googled it. Every. Single. Time.
>>22056279>the cow transports itself without fossil fuels,Those thousands of animals being transported to the factory to be slaughtered? They arent being hauled by hundreds of trucks from the feedlot to the slaughterhouse?>The ability to transport live cattle is half the reason we even produce meat.Transported by fleets of vehicles, which costs millions of dollars to fuel and maintain.>And then when you consider what the livestock eat, it's usually far more efficient to feed it to an animal and move the animal then trying to transport or process something like a million tons of corn.The Million tons of corn that are being used to almost primarily feed the cows? it takes about 2,500 gallons of water to produce a bushel of corn (about 55 pounds) an animal eats about 50 bushels of corn in its time in the feedlot, do the math on a farm of 1,500 cows and then honestly tell me it's less than lab grown meat>And then in terms of infrastructure, a fence, barn, well is pretty much all you need to raise livestock. along with miles of feed troughs and sprinklers pumping out hundreds of gallons every hour>But to produce artificial meat you're talking about a square mile of factory, the biggest factories ever seen, period. Vats of slurry, fermentation tanks, mechanical inoculations, climate control, solar, mains power, it makes me angry that you would be so janiform as to call traditional meat farming "factory" when your alternative is a literal factory.It's still unbelievably small when compared to the sheer volumes needed for live animals>And all that fake meat requires feedstock, chemical feed-stock. It doesn't just come from thin air. You are really talking about buying up huge amounts of farmland to produce industrial feed-stock rather then food humans could eat, or which animals could eat.WAY less than raising animals from womb to table. The economics of scale are orders of magnitude more sustainable than the current industrial farming model.
I draw your attention to the WEFs own report.https://www3.weforum.org/docs/WEF_White_Paper_Alternative_Proteins.pdfPage 15, the one on trying to shill this fake meat.Supportive narratives>Foods containing alternative proteins help you live ahealthier life>Alternative proteins are free of the risk of food poisoningor contamination>Products based on alternative proteins taste excellent>Alternative‑protein products are better for the environment>Alternative‑protein products do not harm animals>Alternative proteins promote food security by releasingland currently used to grow animal feed for the productionof human food.These were the first shill arguments, and it even says in the document that these aren't necessarily supported by facts and are typically exaggerated for the sake of convincing people.
>>22056286I'm a farm worker and you're a goddamn shill.The energy cost of food is mostly in processing and refrigeration, not haulage. as I said the ability to transport animals live, and keep live animals without refrigeration is why it's economical.And in terms of haulage feed-stock and barn meat is totally integrated, so there is almost no haulage, by design, and what is hauled is the highest value food product on the market-fresh meat.And in terms of water use, have you ever heard of the water cycle? Water isn't destroyed. It falls from the sky, rain. We pump it up which drives salt further under the ground, desal, it evaporates and guess what? it falls down again as rain. This is in fact why we are able to ranch land which before us supported only one bison per hectare, and cultivate land which before us was just grass. And we raise the animals wherever we can get water, rather then transporting the water, or depleting the water table in areas where the soil is the best.And what makes what you are saying not only untrue, but totally dishonest is that artificial meat is the trifector of intensive cropping for feedstock, haulage and intensive processing of the least valuable feedstock, to produce a product which has to be end-to-end refrigerated and can't be localized. And all you get is a vet full of acid fermeted soya slurry, a giant roll of tofu inoculated with cancer cells, that's just pressed into a brick like spam.There's no culinary or ecconmic case for it, nobody wants it, the only reason it exists is because WEFags are trying to kill off local food and local farmers
This is your alternative to "factory" farms. The Isreali/Jewish owned, WEF backed, Nestle funded Believe factory. This is what you are advocating, the actual plant and company that produces your fake meat.The way this works, soya crops which people could actually eat normally or be fed to cattle normally are turned into a kind of tofu. The tofu is soaked in corn sugar and artificial fertilizer to create a petri dish. This petri tofu is then innoculated with stem cells which are essentially shaved off a real living cow, or a dead cow and sprayed on the tofu where it grows like a cancer to transform some of the vegetable protein into meat proteins. It's probably not harmful to eat it's just awful industrial slop.That is the process you are advocating. There's a reason the WEF has invested more than a hundred million dollars shilling fakemeat in the last five years and it has nothing to do with the love of food, farmers, or feeding developed nations.
>>22056018Putting on my pedantic hat so no one else has to: it could be argued, quite poorly, that extruded meat is 3d printed meat. It's a very far stretching of the definition but this is the internet so I'll argue it before someone else does. At least I'll admit it's quite a stretch.
>>22056304>>22056309You're going to lose a LOT of money when it catches on huh?
>>22056309>That is the process you are advocating.neat
>>22056245Ah, that old chestnut>A cow is standing on a meadow, it's raining - TEN THOUSANDS of liters wasted!1And artificial meat reactor factories are not wasful I guess? They would be huge bio reactors that need to be heated, and not by feeding it waste products like silage or the pressing cakes from oil presses, and produce large amounts of waste products themselves. You think what a cow pees out is not the same volume as what you have to dispose of in liquid when the reactor has finished producing its batch? There is zero reason and zero advantage in fake meat, except that reactors don't have big googly eyes.The real MEAT of the whole tech is artificially made ORGANS, now THAT is where the potential huge market lies. All those fake meat producers are basically just guinea pigs for the foundation of these techniques, which later the pharma industry can grab for basically nothing.
>>22056344>>A cow is standing on a meadow, it's raining - TEN THOUSANDS of liters wasted!1Cows will drink 10+ gallons per day, it can get up to 5-10k gallons per year pretty easily especially for dairy cows. It's not wasted in that it's magically disappearing but it's a lot of water locked up for that purpose. The point is just that it's not the most efficient process and there are probably ways to improve on that. It's right to be skeptical of these companies looking to make such huge changes but it's not because the current system is perfect. >The real MEAT of the whole tech is artificially made ORGANS, now THAT is where the potential huge market lies. All those fake meat producers are basically just guinea pigs for the foundation of these techniques, which later the pharma industry can grab for basically nothing.I want my foreskin back.
>>22056324I might not get as much work installing fences for cattle, but again that's something I've been upfront about without anyone even asking.Quid pro Quo, what do you do for work, and would that involve being a shill?>>22056327If people want to eat that shit they're welcome, meat preserved with nitrogen salt is carcinogenic anyway. The issue here is really that it will allow companies like Nestle to gain a total monopoly on the feedstock industry and at that point there will be a shortage of regular meat.These companies are actively spending tens of millions, operating at a loss simply to damage the viability of independent, local and ordinary meat industries And I guess I like eating, and being able to purchase real meat.
>>22056351now you are shifting the goalposts trying to conflate dairy and meat cattle, and have two garbage arguments instead of one.If a dairy cow consumes a huge amount of water it's only because it produces a huge amount of milk, which is...wait for it...88% water. and then consumers drink the milk instead of water. it's the same fucking water.And you know what beef cattle do when they drink? they piss. they water the grass, and fertilize it. and barn cattle/pigs dump huge amounts of waste into dams where it solidifies and is reclaimed as fertilizer, and you know what happens to the water that evaporates? nigger that's rain. plants evaporate water too, also rain. water cycle. preservation of matter.
>>22056363>talking about how much water a cow drinks is conflating a garbage argument because it doesn't fit my narrativebeef cows still consume 10+ gallons per day
>>22056291>Alternative proteins promote food security by releasing>land currently used to grow animal feed for the production>of human food.If that ain't one of the biggest signs that they are spewing bullshit.Land used for animal farming is usually land that CANNOT BE USED for other purposes.Even if you don't trust the farmers' ethics, animal feed crops get far less money on the market than human ones, so just for economical reason you can be sure that IF he can grow human consumable wheat he WILL. Animal feed is ony grown where other crops don't grow.The best part of that narrative is of course the space for the animals themselves, like as if we could grow so muc more food if the land wasn't "wasted" for animal farming.The animals are usually only raised where no crops can be grown! You CANNOT grow crops on a meadow, that's why it is used for the cows in the first place. By using these spaces for animal farming we can STILL get high quality protein and food from them. They then in turn produce the manure that the crops need. It's a perfect circular system.
>>22055944No. No
>>22056324> Catches on There are not enough tastelets in the world for this to be viable other than through govt funded fake charity. It's really sad that people don't acknowledge the down stream consequences of killing local independence through things like this
Now I'm just fucking angry.The water it takes to grow soya is the same fucking water the cow eats, and it's the same water in the meat. The cow can digest 90% of the soya plant and the vegan can only consume 8%, your tofu would cost five times as much if the cow didn't eat the other 80% of it, no cow, no use for 80% of the crop. It takes ten kilos of soya for the cow to gain 3 kilos, a kilo of meat for the end consumer.But it takes 4.5 kilos of soya plus a kilo of other food for the stupid vegan to gain a kilo of weight, which then never do and this is why they all look like skeletons. It's the exact same caloric intake and protein either wayIt takes just as much water to feed the end consumer, the vegan, as it does the meat eater, because it takes the exact same amount of water, to grow the exact same amount of protein. The plant waste is fed to the cow, the cow waste is fed to a pig, the meat eater also eats the pig. The only one throwing anything away is actually the vegan, who throws away 80% of the harvest, unable to eat the ag waste, the cow, or the pig. conservation of matter, chemical energy, nutritional parity. So that means in terms of efficiency there is no actual gain in eating plants, the cow is far more efficient then the vegan because of the two, the cow is the one actually meant to eat plants; but the difference is lost in evaporation. But as rain comes from clouds, clouds come from evaporation and cow piss evaporates, as does vegan piss, that doesn't matter either. no water is lost, no water can be lost, H20 is water. H2 (hydrogen gas) and O (oxygen) are both forms of water. We also need to breath and hydrogen is the base of methane, which eventually becomes H2O and CO2 again.Man I work on a farm and barely finished school but I passed basic chemistry, these university educated motherfuckers are stupid
Unfortunately for them, their plan failed on it in industrial scale being too difficult.You have too keep your cell mass completely sterile, otherwise bacteria and viruses will have a feast since it has no immune system whatsoever. And antibiotics don't work against viruses and will quickly lead to resistances.For organs this would be suitable, you can grow a few hearts and kidneys under sterile lab conditions. And since the end products would be incredible valuable (chunk of meat is one thing - but a new LIVER for those who NEED it? Invaluable basically) it woul still be cost effective.But for simple meat? At a scale that really could threaten classic animal farming it is not viable anymore. People WILL neglect some nook, there WILL be some holes and gaps and the whole batch will have to be incinerated.Seems like the eyes were bigger than the mouth in this case.
>>22056411They ESPECIALLY love to spew around that "10:1" (i.e. 10 calories in needed for 1 calorie out for the human) bullshit, conveniently leaving out the fact that those 9 calories come from parts the humans COULD NOT EAT.It's an ages old trick, because at first glance it makes people who know nothing more about it go "What? It's THAT inefficient??!"
>>22056411Who is eating the cow fur? The nervous system is usually not eaten because of the risk of prions too. Cow piss might evaporate but it still leaves behind waste products. You can't just dump endless amounts of piss onto a field and it'll stay healthy. Plant waste can be used for fertilizer and other things.I'm not even vegan but this feels like mental gymnastics to say you're perfect and the person you disagree with is completely imperfect.
>>22056417>those 9 calories come from parts the humans COULD NOT EAT.Some of it is. Obviously humans can't eat grass. They are not fed 100% plant waste that humans could not eat though. Pigs and chickens are omnivores and cannot just eat cellulose like cows, they are fed actual corn and soy that would be edible to humans.
>>22055944fuck no
>>22056395we will all be long dead before this ever reaches a level where it's displacing whole beef, if it ever does.
