whatcha agin?whatcha sippin?whatcha sellin?
sippin 2024 White Walnut Estate Dundee Hills Pinot Noir
are red wines from California good?
>>22059167No>>2205892214 Bosconia
>>22059167fron Central Coast, yes.
>>22059167>wines from California>goodlel
Sipping on 2 Kartuli whites: mtsvane and kisiBoth are dry whites, the mtsvane is slightly sweeter
>>22059167they're the rioja of new world wine
2023 Domaine Huber-Verdereau Bourgogne Côte d'Or Blanc
Unoaked syrah is great.
Dry Tokaj time
>>22059167Their whites are awful too. >>22060116>>22059749>>22059610Based
>>22059167I enjoy Santa Ynez pinots
Some portugese tinto, it's alright.
FINALLY we’re so backtried a puglia primitivo it was fucking awfulgranted it was a $13 bottle but still I’ve had much better $13 bottles
>>22060449I've never had one that I've loved. >>22060425Surprising
Edi Kante Dosaggio Zero Spumante
For me, it's Nero d'Avola
For me, it's thinking all non shit sparkling wine tastes the same.
>>22059167Some of them can be, depends on the producer. I find bigger style Cab Sauv or Syrah from your typical quality big names (Ridge, Corison, Hall, Domaine Eden, Jonata, etc.) need minimum 10 years in cellar so i dont buy those because i dont want to store shit for 10 years and have a 10% chance the bottle is corked or fucked from brett, mouse, etc. i find moreso a lot of stuff between Santa Barbera up to Santa Cruz is good as long as its high elevation as they dont have as big of an issue with overblown extraction as Napa and generally get cool enough at night to retain acidity.Honestly just try anything from Sandhi or Stagiare and if they dont hit you wont like any other California reds.
Sadfrog makes tasty Nebbiolo
Is Martini Prosecco a good Prosecco, or should I get another one? I‘m going to use it for summer cocktails.
>>22062266It'll be fine for cocktails. Anytime you mix it really doesn't matter anymore.
Muscadet with Salt n Vinegar chips
Moet and Chandon first timer here from the last threadIt was good but I see why it's considered overrated (should be like 10 bucks less). Glad I got to try it so I can follow the popular opinion without pretending. Onto Pol Roger/Bollinger next
>>22062625Those 2 are far better for sure. Bollinger might be the best of its scale.
What's a good white burgundy to try as a starting point?
>>22062631I’ve only ever had J. Lassalle Preference how does it stack up to BollingerAlso which Bollinger because I think the one everyone talks about is $100
>>22058944Very nice! Love Willamette Valley Pinot
Forgot I had this in the back of my wine fridge. Still really good and quite refreshing!
>>22062631They better be considering they're ~50% more expensive. They also have stiff competition with Roederer at the same price
>>22062632brocard chablis. or something like >>22059610 if you're coming from california chardonnay
>>22062667nice, had the 2025 jolie laide trousseau gris last week (see picrel)
Having Provence rose
>>22059167yes
Maconnais for this game
Supertuscan time
thinking cremant de savoie for sunday brunch
>>22064519Hopefully not Tig. Wayyy to expensive
schioppetino time>>22065675il poggione
Wine of the week. The cork and wine were in perfect condition despite the label damage.
Wine of the week. The cork and wine were in perfect condition despite the label damage
>>22058922my last order is on the wayreally looking forward to try my first georgian amber wine
>>22065824Yum
>>22062632Don't start with Burgundy. Drink something else that's cheaper and more interesting.
>>22066105I assume he means a starting point for burgundy not as a starting point for wine in general
>>22066105>Drink something else that's cheaperYou seem very knowledgeable about French wine. Should i go for La Villageoise?
>>22062632Something from 2022/2023 Macconais, or Cote Chalonnaise.
>>22066108No I mean to say that you shouldn't drink Burgundy at all.>>22066112Literally anything else. Loire Chenin, white Bordeaux, southern Rhône whites - all good options that don't break the bank.
>>22066138Should i drink La Villageoise then?
>>22066141if you want to know what mass produced plonk tastes like, sure
>>22066142Aready tried Californian '''wine'''.
>>22066138bro, your alsace savoie and jura?also best wine in loire is muscadet from melon de BOVRGOGNE
>>22066757TRVKE
>>22066138There's some pretty good value white burgundy though, and atypical ones like pic rel being a mix a sauv blanc and gris. You have to know though.
>>22066235tbf mass produced plonk from Europe actually tastes pretty different to mass produced plonk from the new world because it has less pretension about it>>22066757Muscadet is overlooked but it's still mogged by Chenin. Alsace, Savoie and Jura good picks though.>>22067573>'ummmm achtuallyyyyy'>posts a wine that has basically nothing in common with most white burg apart from the fact that it's grown in burgundyI know about Goisot.
>>22067580Goisot still has typical chardonnay and chablis. It's true most burgundy white is overpriced and boring, doesn't mean it's impossible to find decent stuff if you get good reccs. Dick.
I think dessert wine is a meme desu, a bad middle ground between dry wine and brandy
Had yet another shitty cabernet franc last night
>>22068506Enjoy the bell pepper.
drinking a paso cab
>>2206611622s are basura for any white burg, cept maybe petit chablis
>>22068320impressively retarded post
i need help bros. I've been drubk for like 4 days at this point, and I keep going. i have a doordash order incoming with a case of beer.my chest is feeling tight, I had to tell my neighbour to call me tomorrow morning at 8am and if i doint answer send an ambulance. I'vre drank 7 bottles of cabernet sauvignon, 7 tall 600ml cans and am about to smash a 6 pack
>>22059167if it's not from france, australia or italy it's trash.
>>22069304And Germany
>>22069304t. Judge that demanded her score card back at the judgement of paris
lambrusco time
>>22070502BASED
>>22069272stop bothering your neighbors and stop buying cheap shit.
bordeaux
>>22070823right or left?
I want to start drinking wine more seriously and regularly so I can develop my palate and gain more appreciation for it. I'm not a complete wine noob and I have a general idea of what I like and where I'd like to start.So should I just pick an appellation and buy 5 or so bottles from it more or less at random (reading tasting notes to get some idea of what I'm getting) to get a feel for it?I've heard that you can buy good wine for $20 a bottle and that after that you get seriously diminishing returns, granted that was >5 years ago. Is this (still) true? I'm sure it depends to at least some degree on the specific type of wine and region it's from, I just don't want to waste my time and money on mediocre wine. I'd rather drink less good/great wine than more decent/meh wine.There's a locally owned wine bar that I'm going to check out that seems highly regarded and unpretentious from it's reviews, so I'm gonna check it out soon and see what they recommend too, but I'd also like to hear your opinions.
>>22070855Entre-Deux-Mers
>>22070860>So should I just pick an appellation and buy 5 or so bottles from it more or less at random (reading tasting notes to get some idea of what I'm getting) to get a feel for it?You're much more likely to learn if you find a good wine shop and go there asking for typical examples of each wine style. If you have to buy 5 at random to get an idea it's going to take you ages to learn about different styles unless you're an alcoholic.>I've heard that you can buy good wine for $20 a bottle and that after that you get seriously diminishing returns, granted that was >5 years ago. Is this (still) true? I'm sure it depends to at least some degree on the specific type of wine and region it's from, I just don't want to waste my time and money on mediocre wine. I'd rather drink less good/great wine than more decent/meh wine.You really only get seriously diminishing returns after about $60, but you can easily get good wine for $30 apart from the most prestigious regions. $20 is going to be more hit and miss, but you can get away with it for a lot of wine styles.>There's a locally owned wine bar that I'm going to check out that seems highly regarded and unpretentious from it's reviews, so I'm gonna check it out soon and see what they recommend too, but I'd also like to hear your opinions.Yes, you should go there and ask a lot of questions about stuff.
>>22070969Based >>22070823Right always left is legacy slop
>>22070860I'd do some research on what you already like and are interested in and start tasting bottles that are similar in varietal makeup or style across multiple different appellations. >>22070984 this is also good advice. good bottle shops and bars SHOULD have knowledgeable people working on the floor.
>>22070860>an appellation and buy 5 or so bottlesIdk I’m more on the train of always hopping appellations. Oh I haven’t had a vouvray before, banyuls I’ve heard of that, oh xyz grape I’ll give that a try etc. So basically hitting every major region and subregion and every varietal I can get my hands on. Then the ones I liked I can revisit and yeah get from a different producer or really deep dive on the sub-appellations but until you become familiar with almost everything that isn’t totally obscure and hard to obtain, there’s just too much shit out there to try than posting up drinking chianti over and over again like some boomer confident in what he likes without ever trying anything else lol. Of course there will be staples and things you return to and I’m not saying that’s your intent- just stating my overall mindset
in a really good spot right now
Trocken Riesling time
>>22071812For me Spatlese
>>22071816is it dry tho?
>>22071825A dry Spatlese?!
>>22071828>he's unaware of bone dry auslese
>>22058922chugging on natty daddies.sipping on new england style i.p.a. aging bourbon barrel aged stouti don't sell alcohol
>>22071832I guess I forgot that GGs exist. Cause I never get them. If I want mosel (which is practically the only Riesling I get nowadays) it's always kabinett or spat.
>>22071833ahh, the rioja drinkers have arrived.
>>22071849>riojaHah hah hah... hardly. though their drinks are praised greatly. I normally drink american brewed drinks.
>>22071854get the fuck out of here retard lmao
Viognier is icky and I don't like it
>>22061391fuck off, Kermit, before I Lynch you
>>22071917Filtered.
>>22071942Just too fat for me :/ No problem with Marsanne Rousanne or Clairette Blanche.
2015 Francois Raquillet Mercurey VV
>>22071917t. afraid of flavour
>>22071917Try stainless steel versions, and/or from piedmont.
>>22072213Why are you afraid of flavour?
Fleurie tonight >>22071954Whatever Viognier isn't an important grape anyways
>>22072476it's a blending grape at best
Pecorino time
St. Joseph tonight with a ribeye
Santa Rita Hills Pinot Noir
Dare I say a fine drop. What what what
>>22073674I really like their Rieslings when they have some age on them. They should really take that medal shit of the bottles though, but they clearly don't want to lose the boomer retard audience (despite them dying out).
>>22073678Haha yeh idk. Tastes good aye
2019 Château Haut-Bages Libéral
22 Santenay Red >>22073689>>22073077>>22073332Very nice
Fiano di Avellino
Cracking the Aglianico for fathers day
>>22075856its excellent
Frappato bump
>>22075856I never see Aglianicos anymore where I am. Shame
2017 Colli Senesi Riserva
Fruit juice natty for this warm weather.
>>22079648>Drinking natty Anon Sama...
>>22079778you can drink natties every now and then anon
>>22079778I almost only drink biodynamic wines. Sometimes natties, though i find them mostly miss rather than hit. That one was a hit though.
toscana bianco
Bollinger or Pol Roger for a weekend birthday celebration?
>>22080958Holy shit, are you me? I just went and bought these today for a birthday party this weekend.I can't help you choose though because I've never had either one before. I'm going to bring one to the party and then enjoy the other one another time, haven't decided which to bring yet.
>>22080958Do you like more red fruit richness or intense pastry in your wine? That's Bollinger and Pol respectively.
>>22080960I was actually considering buying both myself, going to be a fair amount of people (also not the only alcohol present). I like to use opportunities like this to try new stuff. >>22081134I generally like the "brioche" tasting note when it comes to champagne the most
pet nat time
I went to a pretty nice restaurant and had the only red bordeaux they had by the glass- Chateau laubarit, 2022 iirc- and what the hell. This is the first bordeaux I've tried, and It was more balanced and enjoyable than pretty much every California cab/blend I can remember having. I've had quite a few including most of the hyped ones since I worked at a restaurant/wine bar that sold mostly those.Are Americans really this tasteless or am I just a contrarian? Both probably?
>>22082143>Are Americans really this tastelessYes you have learned most all of CA wine is a dogshit scam for retarded boomers. Not all Americans are tasteless and some good stuff does go on, but you’d have to turn a blind eye to not notice the albatross around the neck of our market
nice label for friday. content aint too bad either.
>>22082639Some Justinian shit
at the moment
2022 red Santenay >>22083249Never heard of this but seems like a yuck
>>22083320It’s nice
Sekt for Brunch
Tried Albert Bichot Bourgogne at $20 from costco. Heard bichot was like louis jadot where it’s “fine” but overall subpar and overpriced big producer slop. On the contrary I was pretty damn impressed on how good it was for a fuckin $20 regional which had way better qpr than lower end louis jadots I’ve triedOtherwise past month I had a good blaufrankisch, a bad blaufrankisch, an alright zweigelt, an austrian pinot, vajra langhe neb “clare j.c.”, and last night a good ol’ dr. loosen blue slateToday’s probably ovum’s “big salt” orangeALSO I tried catena’s entry malbec was pretty good I understand the boomer hype but I think it was hard carried by the new oak in the blend. Got a ‘22 Gros Nore red bandol I’m gonna crack soon. Found a terrebrune in a different store a few days after I bought the former and had some fomo cause the latter was cheaper yet had an extra year’s age (I’m already drinking it 2young) and a touch more mourvedre (85 instead of 80)
>>22084063I wasn’t blown away with Big Salt’s white
>>22084082No the white wasn’t anything to write home about. The acacia barrel touch was a neat gimmick ig. Their orange and cab sauv rose are breddy gud but again nothing transcendental or anything lolAlso at least according to wine spectator ‘22 was a better vintage for sovthern rhone whereas ‘21 was trash for them so if that applies to provence I feel better about my gros nore
how do we feel about these inert glass orb vessels being used to mature wine?
Frankland River Chardonnay, good stuff.
Sancerre
>>22084153what’s it supposed to accomplish that stainless steel doesn’t?
Valpolicella
>>22085519a higher price point
>>22086099VGH
never had a shiraz i enjoyed. i'm a cab sav man.
>>22086267>shirazthere’s your problem. try a syrah
Godello time baby
>>22086267>hey! look, I'm part of the problem :/
>>22080958HereI ended up getting both and to be honest I am a bit dissapointed in both. I actually ended up liking the Bollinger more despite the tasting notes of pol roger appealing to me more. Guess I'm sticking with Roederer for that price range.
>>22087511I'd just get into cremant for where you're at in your wine journey. You can get the same quality as nice grower champagne (the same tier and above for what you're likely currently paying for bolli and roederer) at a much more modest price buying cremant and traditional method from cool climate regions outside champagne. shit like >>22061391 is 75% of what billecart-salmon extra brut rose at 25% of the price.
All bubbles taste the same to me...
>>22088272maybe pay attention when you're drinking
2017 J Roty Marsannay
>>22088272but enough about cava
Walter Scott Cuvee Anne
2022 Morgon >>22088730Cava is good though
Malvasia time
4th of july wines to pair with burger/sausages?
>>22091378I've heard that Cali Cab/Zinfandel is good for this.
finally had LdH tondonia (2008) and I gotta say I was disappointed. It was a good rioja I guess, but it’s still just a tannin bomb rioja with not much else going on desuAlso tried bollinger for the first time it was breddy gud but I’ll probably stick to grower champagnes at lower price points
>>22093369Shoulda got bosconia which is far superior. Far less oak
>>22093377They didn’t have it. Besides, I hear tondonia get name dropped more often. I’ll give it a try eventually but big tannic wines e.g. chiantis are just not my style; I’d rather drop money on burgundy or whatever. Also I cracked that ‘22 gros nore bandol red a few days ago and was similarly unimpressed. Granted I know I was drinking it too young. It was kind of cool with the spice notes and idk if I’ve ever had a “fancy” wine that was unfiltered and unfined like that (usually it’s just the hipster $20 stuff)Also forget if I posted in this thread about it but had a “low end” amarone for $45 and it was breddy gud. Finally I’ll mention (forgot if I did before) I got to taste ‘22 domaine hermand-geoffroy mazis-chambertin red which they wanted $500 for the bottle (I paid like $25 for a 1oz sample) so finally got a grand cru under my belt but idk man I think I can get similar quality 1ers for as low as even $50. Maybe it wasn’t a good domaine or vintage or I’m just filtered or whatever but $30-$50 really does seem to be the sweet spot regardless of region. Maybe $100 bottles of champagne or burgundy 1ers for ballin out on special occasions while $20ish is for “daily drinkers”
>>22093403Tondonia gets names dropped cause it's their flagships label. But bosconia which is their 2nd tier label is more "Burgundian" (their words not mine). I've always enjoyed it over the Tondonia which is just an oak bomb. Albeit not as bad as shit riojas. Also I personally don't find any value above 100 burgers a bottle whether it's burgundy or not. Some village tier burgs in the 60~ range is 99% the way there.
>>22093416yeah, I guess tondonia stands as the archetypal rioja- it’s just not for me. I have no doubt oaked grenache/ tempranillo has potential though so I’ll have to give bosconia a try eventually. Still I’ve had some decent priorats and whatnot but man those extreme tannins are just not enjoyable for me. Call me filtered or whatever>Some village tier burgs in the 60~ range is 99% the way there.exactly
>>22093416From my experience (and the spec sheets) LdH seems to use far less new oak than a lot of other Rioja producers (apart from the real new school ones that use none), Idk what you're talking about.
