>jap suddenly invents a "new" tastesure bro. and i just decided there's a new smell that can only be detected by a special olfactory region on your elbow. weebs will believe anything
I've got a licence to kill and you know it's going straight for your heart (got a licence to killllll)
>>22091536>suddenly invents>weebsVeteran culinarian here in the USA. Umami has been around for the almost 30 years I've been in the business. I remember hearing them talk about it on 1990s TV Food Network shows. You seem to think it's new and specific to Japanese shit.
>>22091548just put the rice in the seaweed lil bro
>>22091536It's not a new taste, they just gave it a name. The west didn't really recognize it as an individual taste for a while and when we finally started to the japs had already given it a popular name so we borrowed that. It's not that complicatedIf you're hardcore anti-weeb you can call it savoury, but that's not a unique term and can be mistaken
>>22091536>and i just decided there's a new smell that can only be detected by a special olfactory region on your elbowfirst show me receptors for that taste on people's elbows, something that you can do with umami.the umami taste is related to monosodium glutamate, and you can find glutamate receptors on your tongue.
>>22091544fpbp
>>22091536It s a just a polite way to say "disgusting". You always knew about it but used the wrong word.
>>22091548>I remember hearing them talk about it on 1990s TV Food Network.And a million people remember Julia Child dropping a chicken on live TV and whispering to the camera something like "nobody can see your mistakes in the kitchen" and much like your memory, that simply never happened.
>>22091595Ive heard about it since the 90s as well. Youre just a young cunt whose balls just dropped yesterday, so no wonder you dont know anything. Umami has been a word for decades. >>22091550You got told
I just don't like how silly the word "umami" sounds when thrown into a sentence of English prose. It doesn't belong with real, normal words like sweet, sour, or bitter. Why can't we just translate it as "savory"?
>>22091596Repeating a lie doesn't make it true, Donnie.
>>22091659Umami is the sound the kids make when they lose their vCard to 40 something year old teachers.
>>22091659>Why can't we just translate itBecause Anglos hate their own language and constantly borrow (and often incorrectly redefine) words from other languages to supplant their own.
>>22091536I gotchya bro.
>>22091548The idea of 'the five flavors' is at least 2500 years old since it's mentioned in chapter 12 of the Tao Te Ching. In several cuisines of the Chinese or Thai tradition the fifth flavor is spicy and I think a more spice adverse Asian culture like Japan just made up something to make up that fifth flavor which those other cultures would consider just a combination of salty bitterness.
>>22091536Savory
>>22091686Based
>>22091686Do better.
>>22091536I would not call shrooms savory Also wouldn't call cheese savory either, it has very strong taste. The thing is that we don't perceive the 4 tastes in sterile way, we also perceive the smell at the same time and it mixes together, which is why everything tastes more different.The only "umami" shit we can taste have is msg/fats
>>22091701You forgot to change Umami at the top.Sorry bud, ya fucked up.
>>22091686nice.
How can I describe the flavor of a broth made by simmering beef bones for a long time, without adding any salt or vegetables?Savory?
>>22091706Wrong. I made it better.
>>22091708Fatty
>>22091713Nope. Failed. The point of anon's post was getting rid of the nonsense word umami.
>>22091717Wrong. It's OK anon.
>>22091701you didnt change umami at the top.>>22091686this mans gets it.
>>22091719Wrong.
>>22091720He got nothing except poor editing skills.
>>22091721Wrong. He didn't even replace the mushrooms.
>>22091686dis nigga know what's up
>pseudoscience...>pseudoscience, Japan:O
>jap cientist establishes a basic taste that should have been established hundreds of years prior as it's something that is abundantly clear to anyone with a functioning tongue, and creates a food additive that is literally said taste in concentrated form>other languages import the jap term untranslated for whatever asinine reason>dumb mutts too stupid to be attentive to their own sensory perception and too afraid of foreign terms seethe impotently while also being the perfect target of said jap's research, as they gobble down absurd amounts of MSG-laden snacks and fast food
>>22091595I don't know about that Julia Child nonsense but you cannot disprove that I remember 'umami' being around a very long time. Nor could you even isolate when the word came into existence. But I assure you it was before the advent of the internet, sport.
>>220917812000s? Sure. It was on various news shows. 90s? Nah. Like I said to the free samples bitch at Costco: I ain't buyin' it.
>>22091551>west didn't really recognize it as an individual tastebrownoid cope. The word was "savory."
>>22091666ironic to say this in a thread about japanese
>>22091659>Why can't we just translate it as "savory"?we do
>>22091739Demonstrating that humans have taste receptors specifically for glutamate is now pseudoscience? I think you're just a pseud lil bro.
>>22091999>The word was "savory."You must be real fun at parties, you retarded backward fascist bible-thumper.When I was growing up, the dogma was that there were four basic tastes: sweet, sour, salt, bitter. I REMEMBER THAT, WHATEVER BULLSHIT YOU SAY. Then the dogma was overturned due to overwhelming evidence. It was overturned by a Japanese scientist, and that's why we use his word for what he found and proved he'd found. (We also recognize the "hot" of things like chillies as a pseudo-taste; it's detected in a different way.)Science manages to sometimes change its mind about things. This is why science is superior to so many other approaches to finding "the truth".
We have umami in English already. Savory is just fine. We don't need a weeb loaner word. It's interesting that the Japanese chemist who coined the term umami was inspired by the rich savory food he ate while traveling in Germany as well as the rich savory mouth feel of his own native dashi.
>>22092328This. It's actually crazy how negatively Japan obsessed some people are.>>22092330He noticed they both shared a similar taste aka umami. Umami is a primary taste. Savory is a flavor/ catefory of flavors/foods.You can have savory foods that have no umami and umami foods that are not savory.
>>22092328>Science is wrong but recognizing it's wrong is proof that it's right
>>22091536>meaty flavorweebs call it umami, i just call it YAMAMA
>>22092378False. Umami translates as savory delicious. It's literally savory with a jap name.
>>22092378>You can have savory foods that have no umamiName one.>You can have umami foods that are not savory.Name one.
>>22092411No it doesn't and literal translations do not mean the same thing as actual definitions of new words. Are you stupid?>>22092415salted potato chip is savory but not umami because it has salty taste, but low to no glutamate.Ripe tomato is umami, but not savory because a ripe tomato is sweet and acidic, but is not salty. If you have never had a proper heirloom tomato this example will be difficult for you to understand, but there are jammy sweet tomatoes.Now have fun squealing and making excuses about how your opinion makes my examples wrong.
>>22092420Salt is not savory. Salt is a separate flavor. You third worlders have trouble understanding the word "savory" because you autistically can only comprehend English through the context of a dictionary.
>>22092425>confuses categories of foods with primary tastesYIKES
The japanese research happened over a century agoits time to let go
>>22092434This.
>>22092420Are you stupid? From the Ajinomoto website >Our journey of discovery began with a bowl of boiled tofu in kombu dashi (a broth made from a kind of kelp.) While savoring the broth, Dr. Ikeda became convinced that there was another basic taste altogether different from sweet, salty, sour, and bitter. Intrigued by this thought, he began analyzing the composition of kombu dashi. Around the same time, Hiizu Miyake, Japan’s first doctor of medicine, hypothesized that good taste stimulates digestion. Encouraged by this idea, Dr. Ikeda redoubled his efforts. He ultimately discovered what gave kombu its distinctive taste: It was glutamic acid, a type of amino acid. He named the taste umami, and developed a method to produce seasoning with glutamate as its key component.>Dr. Ikeda went to study in Germany in 1899. The physiques and overall good health of the Germans impressed him and fostered a strong desire to improve the nutrition of the Japanese people. Another individual who shared this dream was Saburosuke Suzuki II. In 1909, he launched a business venture to begin selling AJI-NO-MOTO®, the world’s first umami seasoning. The origins of the Ajinomoto Group lie in this ideal: “Eat Well, Live Well.”He "discovered" savory properties of food which were already known to Europeans for thousands of years.
>>22092443Oh you are stupid kekUmami was legitimized as a primary taste when scientists found specific taste receptors on the tongue for glutamate and other umami compounds.
>>22092443How in fuck's cunt are people still falling for trolling in the Year of Our Lord, 2026?
>>22091536its mostly in seaweed. the end.
>>22091701>>22091720
it's called savory
>>22091708Beef flavor
>>22092522Wrong. Glutamate, inosinate, and guanylate are in tons of different foods to varying degrees. Seaweed is just one of many great sources for glutamate.
>>22092328You sound delightful.
>>22091666> CheckedBut unfortunatelyYou're a drama queen, why would a food autist care about the linguistics? Also Japanese has way more loaner words
>>22092768>she doesn't know the difference between a loanword and one that completely supplants perfectly good native wordslolThis entire mutt language is built on latinate words that replaced or supplanted perfectly good native Germanic ones. Nips borrowing petto for plastic bottle is different because they had no concept of a plastic bottle before then. English already had dēor when it supplanted it with "animal". Likewise, it already has savoury and now, it's being supplanted with with ew! mommy. >>22092420>>22092433>>22092453>salted potato chip is savouryNo it fucking isn't, retard. >primary tasteSavoury is very much a primary taste, tardfuck. And savoury v not is a very continental categorisation, where savoury is often used interchangeably with salty. But po angielski, salty ≠ savoury, you sweaty, blithering mongoloid. Just because scientists identified that taste receptors for savoury foods exist, a point no one contested at any time ever I might add, doesn't mean that supplanting a perfectly valid word with a Nipple Knees one isn't retarded. Because it is. It's retarded. Completely, irredeemably, horrifically fucking retarded.The English word is savoury, which literally translates into sushispeak as whoa mama. If it didn't, then Japanese wouldn't even have a word for savoury at all. inb4 oishi. No. That just means delicious/tasty. inb4 shioaji. No. That just means salty/not sweet (like how it's used in yurp). inb4 kōbashi. No. That just means fragrant. Oh my me literally translates 1:1 as savoury and vice versa.
>>22092833No it isntStopped reading there, kek. Not an argument. Try again, kiddo.
>>22092865>t. TikTok-rotted Gen zAlpha brain faggotlol
>following the culinary norms of a people who literally ate roasted chinese babies in nanjingyeah nah
>>22092833Calm down sweetie, it's not a big deal! Once you understand the difference, it won't be so scary. https://tastyfoodlovers.com/what-is-the-difference-between-savory-and-umami/
>>22092869>projects after defeatKek.
>>22092954Umami won.
>>22092453American scientists did that btw. In the year 2000. Japaneezers don't know shit about savory. Savory American Chads stay winning.
>>22093280And umami still won. Thank you for confirming that. :D
>>22091661nta but they were saying umami on food network in the early 2000s
>>22091548>Umami has been around for the almost 30 yearsYou literally proved OP right with that, retard lmao
>>22093429Umami won, luddite.
>>22092833Checked and kekked
>>22093304No shit, tardnugget. See >>22091791>>22092954Sweetie, did you even do any research at all or just pulled up the first thing Google suggested? You know Google is pretty much worthless now, right? They literally have a deal, and no I'm not joking, with reddit and various blogs to promote their bullshit over actual facts. Look. It. Up. You have to call the AI a retard multiple times for it to stay on topic and not refer to reddit threads for information.It's an utterly useless fuck of a cunt now.>>22093470Not after udaddi is done with the bitch. I spent the last 12 hours in G to PG rating for the sake of my kid and the neighbourhood kids at our barbecue so forgive me if I sound cross. I'm just exhausted at being nice all day
>>22093299>>22093299No it didn't. It took American scientist chads to confirm the existence of savory as a taste nearly 90 years after the Japanese "discovered" savory and called it umami.
>>22091659It's just to credit the guy who isolated the receptor. There's actually another one called oleogustus that no one ever talks about. It's the flavor associated with fat.
>>22093788And those same american scientists still call it umami. Sorry, but umami won lil bro.
>>22093603no idea what youre rambling about
>>22091536Wait till you guys find out about oleogustus (the taste of fat), the sixth taste profile they found about recently.
>>22091536People used to call it savory.
None of those taste remotely the same.
>>22094009that's cuz ur dumb lol
>>22091536The Wright Brothers first flight only predates umami by 5 years, but I bet you don't think magical flying machines are bullshit.>inb4 you are a tastlet that also can't afford a plane ticket
>>22091536>blend of salt and bitter>thinks they invented a tasteSun Tsu said "...they are only 4 cardinal tastes; sour, salt, sweet, bitter; but in combination they produce more flavors than can ever be tasted"
>>22094257Retard didn't understand the difference between a primary taste and flavors/aromas. LOL.
>>22091536For the last fucking time. Umami is not a taste profile. It's not categorical like the others. Umami is simply arousal for your fucking mouth and taste buds. Your mouth is home to hundreds of fucking sensory glands. Your tongue, the lips. They get excited too, when there's food abound. You start secreting saliva, it coats your tongue and whole mouth. That feeling, when it secretes saliva and you can feel it, on the side underjaw, and suddenly you get a phantom taste on your tongue, in your mouth, associated with the taste when you smell certain food, that's umami. When you get your dick erect, your fucking clitoris whatever, and your glands get sensitive to touch and you start wetting yourself, like natural lubes, in preparation for some good ole fucking, that same analogy is happening with the glands in your mouth. umami is the glands in your mouth and taste buds getting aroused.you don't believe me? how many of you are in bed right now? when was your last meal? this works if you're really hungry. pick a number and jump to the number below, One - Two - ThreeOne>you're thinking of spicy flavor, any hot and peppery flavor, imagine your favorite meal, wings, steak whatever, think of that flavor, think of a hot sauce, tabasco on steak, south east asian chilli sambal etc, you feel it in your mouth, you can feel the glands working under your cheek/jawTwo>think of something sour right now, citrussy. lime, lemon. an orange. really imagine the flavor, you can taste it, can't you?Three>thing of something fermented that has strong flavor and fragrant, any asian / southeast asian fermented stuff, kimchi, natto. or something like fermented salted fish. you can smell it, you can taste it right now in your mouthNow all three of the above flavor are have different taste profile. They're not strictly savory. Number 3 is what people mostly associated umami profile with, but you can still get the effects with number 1 and 2.
>>22094415You can feel it in your mouth, on your tongue. As if you can almost taste the food you imagined. And each of them taste differently, like you can feel how different glands work and coats different parts of your tongue. Like when you imagine spicy food, it coats different areas of your tongue. It's different from when you imagined some sweet food, because with sweet food you kinda want to smother the taste profile all over the tongue, tasting the food "whole". You don't actuallly do that with hot/spicy food. If you eat hot sauce / spicy sauce the way you eat ice cream or drink wine, you're gonna burn the roof of your mouth, and get sore throat and develop cold/flu/fever symptoms for the next few days / week. That's fucking umami, it's not a taste profile, it's not limited to savory food. It's simply arousal of the glands. Savory taste profile just happen to engage it more, kinda like when I think of cute hebes o wait-
>>22091686Pretty much my take as well.
>>22091701>>22091686>>22091536Is no one going to call out the fact the picture uses chocolate as its example of sweet, but chocolate is naturally very bitter, its only when you add fuckloads of sugar does it become sweet.
>>22091536>people "invented" savory "suddenly"ok retard
Actually, Japanese people don’t use the word “umami” very often in everyday life.They often use the word “flavor” 風味(fūmi) instead.
>>22091536>dried seaweed>miso paste>soy sauce>fermented cabbage>cheeseSo its found naturally during food processing.
>>22094847no the chart is retarded, tomato is umami
>>22091536Isn't all cheese umami? Not just Parmesan?
>>22094916Some cheeses have much higher levels of glutamate, which is one of the compounds responsible for umami.
>>22094674English speakers don't use the word umami very often. Savory is much more common.
>>22094935Savory is used to categorize foods in english.
>>22094935For Japanese people, the term “umami” is used when thinking about recipes from a chemical perspective, or when using MSG, for example.The word “savory” isn’t used at all in Japan, but to be honest, I think most people don’t really care which term is used.
>>22091536Umami is not an invention but a discovery.It was discovered over 100 years ago, but its existence was only scientifically proven recently, so it’s similar to Einstein’s prediction of black holes.
>>22095433Yeah the shitposting relies on english supremacy as the core idea. If you have a guy talk in other languages using the word umami it's not then going to be translated as "savory" in english. >heres a soup we're making. Im adding tomato, aged cheese, msg and soy sauce to add the well known 5th basic taste called savory on the soup
>>22091536forced memedead meme
I would beat all of you up in real life if you acted like this around me. Unless there was girls around, and then we would just laugh at you and openly make jokes about what a dumb autistic retard you are.
>Tomato: Glutamic acid + tomato flavor>Cheese: Glutamic acid + cheese flavor>Soy sauce: Glutamic acid + soy sauce flavor>Garlic: Glutamic acid + garlic flavor>Bacon: Inosinic acid + bacon flavor>Mushroom: Glutamic acid + guanylic acid + mushroom flavorThe ingredients in MSG vary by manufacturer.Some contain only glutamic acid, while others are primarily glutamic acid combined with inosinic acid or guanylic acid.The key to using MSG is to add only a very small amount so that the natural flavors of the ingredients in the dish stand out.
Nail Jakshits to a cross
>>22091701One more step
The number of people trolling and being willfully stupid is quite sad
>>22091536the taste of parmesan has absolutely nothing to do with the other asian stuff put in there lol
>>22095620It's a food that naturally has a lot of glutamates. The real odd one out is the shiitake mushrooms, but that's because it has lots of guanylate rather than glutamate.>>22095460You also want to pair glutamate woth guanylate and/or inosinate to take advantage of the synergistic effect of the two.
>>22095620no nippons or italians extracted MSG from cheeses that's why.
>>22095648>It's a food that naturally has a lot of glutamatesdoesn't mean they taste the same. At all.
>>22091536It's not new. Umami literally means savory
>>22097870Note how the bait image uses both salty and umami (savory), but doesn't include spicy.
>>22097887Spicy isn't a taste
>>22097890it's also not technically a temperature, thoughbeit. so what is spicy exactly?
>>22097891I think it's more of a reaction to whatever that chemical is
>>22097890Umami isn't a taste either. It's a nebulous concept without a simple explanation.
>>22098417It's savory. Pretty simple
>>22097810Umami rich foods can have vastly different flavor profiles and still contain lots of glutamate or other umami compounds. Imagine if it was a pic that had sweet foods, and you had a problem with it because grapes and cake tasted different... Mega stupid.>>22097912Capsaicin/spicy activates the temp sensing nerves in your mouth/tongue, not flavor sensing ones.>>22098417Umami is a primary taste. It is as difficult to describe as the other primary tastes. Try explaining to me what salty or sour tastes like without using the words salty, sour, or their synonyms.
>>22098626Yes but everyone can instantly recognize salty, sweet, bitter, and sour. Umami isn't so simple. Miso soup and pizza are some of the most umami rich foods but taste nothing alike.
>>22091687science said the fifth one doesn't exist, sorry Confucius
>>22098417For example, a steak without salt is bland, but salt on its own is equally bland.However, when you sprinkle salt on a steak, the inosinic acid in the meat combines with the salt to form sodium inosinate, which dramatically enhances the taste perceived by the tongue.Furthermore, combining inosinic acid, glutamic acid, and guanylic acid makes the taste even better.And by adding the flavors of vegetables and spices, the dish takes on a more complex flavor profile.
>>22098643Everyone does know it because breast milk is loaded with glutamates. Once you know what umami tastes like you'll be able to distinguish it relatively easily as well. Make maruchan beef or shrimp flavored instant ramen broth and then make knorr powdered chicken buillion broth. Taste them side by side. What tastes the same between the two is the umami. It's a very distinct flavor that they'll share.Most normies would never be able to tell you that the little bit of acidity and sweetness you added to a soup/sauce/whatever that balanced it and made it taste incredible was anything more than just "it just tastes really good" as well. Not a single bit of difference to umami.
>>22091536japanese office worker armpitschinese international student feetkorean tourist crotch
>>22095446You won't do shit, mike wagyu
it's a combination of salty and sweet
>>22091548This. I guess steak and fish has zero umami eh and are only savory!!Oh whoa all the umami things are savory! >>22091664Or when you smack someone and they get all retarded n dazed. "Oog ooom nuuu ami ami ? " Yes I are fucked up from being retarded round my sloppy cloppers
