*rapes microbiome of the average fastfood-fed fat fucktoy that posts on this board*
>>22117898*gets contaminated with poopoo*
>>22117898Are you going to post this on every board?
>>22117904yup.
milk was for moms baking stuff, i wasn't allowed to drink it, i lost my tolerance
>>22117908Drink a tablespoon or two of milk just to let your system get used to it then slowly increase the amount every day or two. You should be able to get your tolerance back.
>>22117899>Use 10 cent test strip to test raw milk for any harmful bacteriaWow that was sooooo difficult. I'm sure there are plenty of foods that you eat that can easily be contaminated by numerous things, why don't you put the same scrutiny on them but paint raw milk as sickness in a bottle?
>>22117912>10 cent test stripWhere? All the ones I see are much more expensive than that. Raw animal products just have higher potential for food poisoning and other issues. Japan has a high rate of parasite problems because of all the raw fish. Despite the smaller amount of people drinking raw milk there seems to already be a higher number of food poisoning outbreaks from it compared to pasteurized milk. I do think raw milk is better nutritionally since pasteurizing destroys some nutrition, but it's not feasible to supply raw milk on the required scale and keep everyone safe. If someone can come up with a way to provide raw milk that's as safe as pasteurized milk then I'd be happy with that.
>seasonallyThis means the coos only eat meadow grass for three months of the year and get slop the other ten by the way.
>>22117935>three months of the year>the other ten
>he doesn't know about fugvemterNGMI
>>22117912raw milk is bad for you because it could be dirty. please buy the new taco bell meal instead.
>>22117938:DDD
>>22117942people are wary of fast food too and were before thisthe alternative to raw milk is pasteurized milk
>>22117898>>22117909Anon's aren't lying. In bought and chugged a quart of this my first time and my whole body heated up and shook like I'd just downed a bottle of niacin. Ever since I've been able to Boomer out and complain about things that most of my peers just accept. I honestly think they're poisoning our food to make us more compliant and complacent but most people don't want to believe it
>>22117898Why did Louis Paster even bother if niggers like you would be turn out like this in a century and a half?
yeah we wouldn't want our food meddled with to control us with the pasteurization process. i appreciate the sentiment but the execution is lacking.
>>22117963im not carnivore diet. but ive been alergic to nearly all vegetables since a kid (25+ years now), never had a leafy green period. i still get sick if im around salad, but otherwise i only ever get sick when im in asia... the amount of shit they put on produce is insane, i cant walk through the isle in the grocery store.dont do nearly any fruit neither.
>>22117963>heated up and shookThat sounds like a histamine response or something. I've had malnutrition and correcting it can make you feel a bit warm I guess but shaking isn't a sign of something positive. There doesn't have to be any kind of conspiracy to poison your food. Poor quality diets have been an issue for a long time resulting in malnutrition. Most people aren't consuming things like organs anymore which are some of the most nutrient dense foods, even meat by comparison is not very nutritious in some ways. And instead people are eating more junk food which doesn't have to be poisoned but it's low in nutrients despite being high in calories. >>22117979You get sick if you walk next to a salad?
>>22117898>NOOOO YOU CAN'T DRINK RAW MILK IT HAS CONTAMINANTS AND DISEASES>drinks a pack a day>smokes a pack a day>eats fast-food pink slime moulded into "chicken"Doing all these tubby activities is 100000x more deadly and carcinogenic yet they're all 100000x more societally acceptable.
>>22117981no if im around it its bad but bareable. its worse than smelling shit on the ground and i dont mean in scent but the internal punch.when i was a kid i got in trouble and the grain fed teachers dodnt wanna deal with me so they sent me to another classroom, which happened to be having a salad party that day. i remember within a half hour i was sick for a week...
>>22117984who is saying alcoholism and smoking and fast food are healthy tho
>>22117981>organsEnjoy getting gout for an amount of vitamin A your body can't even properly process and will mostly be eliminated with your urine.
>>22117990nobody, the point is that everybody is suddenly a nutritionist when you bring up raw milk, despite doing all of these things that are infinitely more unhealthy
>>22117991Gout has a bunch of risk factors. Also, I never said you should be eating those things very often. What you're saying about vitamin A doesn't make sense anyway. The only time people get vitamin A poisoning is from things like liver from certain animals who store so much vitamin A that it becomes toxic. If your body was unable to process it and eliminating it then that wouldn't happen. The vitamin A in plants is actually less useful and there is a subset of people who can't convert the vitamin A in plants into something useful very well at all.
>>22117994But most people know those things are unhealthy and will tell you that you shouldn't be doing them.
>>22118000So why is it such a big deal to normies when someone drinks raw milk?
>>22117998Give it up rabbi, I'm not eating trash offal while you get the prime cuts.
>>22118005ive never heard an irl normie so much as mention raw milk. real life is not the fifty permanently online trannies hiding in your walls spitting poison at you schizo.
>>22118005Because it has a higher risk of food poisoning.>>22118007Most carnivores prefer organs because they're more nutrient dense. A lot of Jews eat liver anyway.
Why would you want raw milk? No pseudoscience please.
>>22118012Pasteurization destroys some nutrients. Raw milk actually has some vitamin C but pasteurized has none. It reduces the amount of B vitamins a bit. And some people say raw milk makes for better cheese and other products. Raw milk is more nutritious, it just also has a higher risk of food poisoning that a lot of people don't think is worth the risk.
>>22118009more like you havent felt the warmth of sunlight in years so you decide to larp as having talked to people recently
>>22118016Is it actually true that raw milk has enzymes that pasteurized milk doesn't? I heard that around somewhere.
>>22118025Yes, it does have some enzymes. People claim it has the lactase enzyme which isn't true though.
>>22118016Sounds like a niche product. You can take a multivitamin if you really want that vitamin c or b vitamins (or other, safer foods). The better cheese and other products, sure, I can see that, due to fat content. So sounds like it's just for those people. And the men who drink it for some weird caveman reasons.
>>22118039Yeah it mostly is. Some people claim pasteurized milk upsets their stomach and raw doesn't but I can't find any legitimate reasons why that would be. I think some people claim it tastes better too which seems reasonable.
>>22118016oh no, vitamins you can easily get anywhere else are gonefuck off you faggot reddit retard
>>22117979>>22117989This is the dumbest shit I've ever read
Only pure White people can drink it
>>22118016I thought milk is something that only young mammals should consume? At least that's what half the threads about it say. Now you're saying that not only should I keep drinking it, but it has to be the most nutritionally dense total package of food possible? You guys need to make up your mind.
>>22118151A group of random strangers online will never make to their mind
>>22118058Bodies are weird, man. It could just be the ratio of fat and sugar that upsets their stomach. Raw and whole milk has a higher fat percentage, and idk about you but 1%\skim doesn’t taste or feel good to drink. Just weird water with sugar you can’t even taste. >>22118016I wish more people would try pasteurized non-homogenized milk. It’s basically the same thing, you even get the cream top! It’s just safer, and the loss of nutrients is minuscule in the grand scheme of your diet. Or, just heat it up for a bit at home like most farmers have done for centuries. Especially if you’re pregnant or trying to give it to children.
>>22117981I’m surprised you can identify the histamine response from this weirdo >>22117963 but not this weirdo >>22117979. Lettuce allergies are real and there’s this strange pollen related allergy that will treat other veggies like they’re pollen.
>>22118167I just straight up don't buy dairy milk anymore, I get oat milk and really just for Huel every once in a while. I don't think we're supposed to drink glasses of milk past infancy, and definitely not from another species. But as an ingredient? Sure why not.
>>22117984Goomba fallacy, I do none of these things, and I think the people drinking raw milk because of conspiracy theories are retarded.I remember when I was doing my cert III, the supervisor was telling us that chef's used to use raw milk for the taste, but that's about all it's good for. All the actual science I've read and heard about shows that raw milk has marginal health and flavour benefits for serious contamination risks.
>>22117898Milk is for babies. You stop drinking milk when you grow up because it is for babies and children. There i solved your raw milk debate. Drink water, coffee, tea and alcohol. Thats all you really need, minus alcohol which is just for enjoyment. Optional stuff like kombucha or kefir is good too.
>>22117930Can' they put chlorine in it like they do with tap water?
>>22118246*evolves lactase persistence as an adult*nothing personnel, kid
>>22118202>All the actual science I've read and heardU realize science doesnt know everything?U realize science can change?U realize science can b wrong?I think it was better when ppl all thought of themselves retarded. Trying to educate retards have made them believe theyre actually capable.
>>22118179>Lettuce allergies are real and there’s this strange pollen related allergy that will treat other veggies like they’re pollen.You can be allergic to anything but a lettuce allergy is extremely rare, and being allergic to all fruit and vegetables is so unlikely that you're more likely to have some kind of autoimmune issue at that point rather than a true allergy. And just walking near a salad making you sick seems like it's more of a mental thing. Calling people "grain fed" as an insult also just seems like someone might be a little dishonest in what they're saying.
>>22118310I don't think so, or they'd have to use so much that it would taste terrible. I've read some companies have been experimenting with UV light to kill bacteria without pasteurization, or pressurizing the milk to do the same thing. There are some methods to kill bacteria without heat but it's more expensive and probably not as reliable right now.
>>22118016truth nuke
>>22118367Oh i can still drink milk, its not an issue of intolerance. I have lots of dairy in my diet. Just not milk, because im not a baby. Yogurt, cheese and butter are excellent.
>>22117898>the average fastfood-fed fat fucktoyH-hot?
>>22118396>U realize science doesnt know everything?it tells us there's significantly more poopoo particles in raw milk than in pasteurized milk>U realize science can change?that's what gave us pasteurized milk, which stopped people from getting sick from ingesting poopoo milk>U realize science can b wrong?yes, but the tests that indicate that there are significantly more poopoo particles in the raw milk are accurate>Trying to educate retards have made them believe theyre actually capable.case in point
>>22118453>Just not milk, because im not a baby.This argument doesn't make sense. It's just some kind of cultural hangup from insecure people. Especially if you acknowledge that some people adapted to keep being able to digest lactose as adults, saying it's only for babies is just half admitting you're wrong but still being smug about it.
>>22118459Dont eat any raw fruits or salads from now on
>>22117898not gonna drink the listeria-riddled hippie/chud milk. enjoy your foodborne illness
>>22118414Noo no, look into: Oral Allergy Syndrome (OAS). This pollen-food cross-reactivity often mimics food allergies. For example, someone with ragweed or birch pollen allergies may react to raw lettuce due to similar protein structures.That’s what I’m referring to
>>22118453>I don't suck my wife's booba because I'm not a baby
>>22118479raw fruits or salads can be and are washed, and aren't located mere inches from a cow's assholeyou can't wash milk, retard, that's why pasteurization was invented
>>22118547>doesnt know where the teats are located on a cow>still thinks that his opinion on dairy is somehow valuable
>>22118547>aren't located mere inches from a cow's assholeRetard has never seen a cow or cant measure distanceI guess being near the ass is a big yuck (this virgin has never eaten pussy lmao), but food that were literally fed shit ie fertilizer r a okay. Genius.
>>22117936>he doesn't know how to access to the secret 13th monthngmi
>>22118511Oh, I've heard of that. But that mostly just seems to make someone's mouth a bit itchy when eating those things, not a total body sickness. And cooking also eliminates symptoms for a lot of people with it.
>>22118515>Babies suck on their wives' titsDidnt think that one through did ya>>22118477Nah, milk is literally for raising young. Thats why it exists. It is for babies. If you continue to drink milk as an adult, thats your priority. But it is a drink for infants which is why most animals stop drinking milk as they grow older. Again, lactose is not the culprit here. Adults can enjoy the many dairy products out there that aren't milk, like i do. Im sorry i offended your milk drinking sensibilities. Try being less sensitive.
>>22118612>Nah, milk is literally for raising young.People have adapted to drinking it as adults. You're objectively wrong.>Try being less sensitive.I'm not sensitive. You're just nonsensical. Your line of reasoning leads to other people saying we shouldn't be consuming dairy at all because cow milk is for baby cows.
>/ck/ continues to be the worst board
>>22118246isn't kefir just fermented milk
>>22118612Fucking retardHumanitys entire story is doing shit were not supposed 2 doU think were supposed to fly up into the fucking sky?Or cross fucking oceans on boats?Or shoot fucking rockets at each other?We do it because we fucking canU wanna return 2 monkee b my guest
>>22118680yes. and so is yogurt which they also mentioned.
>>22117963I don't want to believe the moon is a balloon, and fortunately that also isn't true.
>>22117898I am not going to risk my life trying to impress pretentious foodie retards on the internet.
I'm from WV so I know a few raw milk drinkers and they're all the most retarded people I know. Probably not a coincidence.
>>22118727Kentucky checking in, this anon knows what's up. If any of you pro raw milk guys had ever worked on a dairy you'd know why milk gets pasteurized. That, or you're all just trolling for >?????>Profit!
>>22117912Post a link to the test strips so I can laugh at you getting scammed.
>>22117989so this is the power of picky eaters
>>22117912>buy product>test it YOURSELF>see that its full of poo>dump out and buy another to testactual golem
>>22117979>>22117989>conjures up all this hypochrondiac horseshit because she's too afraid to eat anything greenhealthiest american
>>22118202>soyencereal agarthan wiggas like me just listen to their body
>>22119290You should listen to your body when it tells you how good heroin is.
>>22119293toxic manmade chemical vs. nature's life essence
>>22117935wow, so you mean like they have for all of history? Crazy.
>>22117968Why did Lord Rothschild consider banning the sale of raw milk as of equal importance to the foundation of the state of Israel? He gave only two addresses to the house of lords, one urging Britain to support the foundation of Israel, and the other asking for the ban on raw milk.The Jews see it as equally fundamentally necessary for goyim to never drink raw milk, as the restoration of their professed homeland after 2000 years of exile.
>>22119367You are by far the most retarded 4channer I've seen this week.
>>22119372thank you
>>22119367He was a zoologist so he would've understood issues with animals and diseases. Raw milk is illegal in Israel btw.
>>22119375>He was a zoologistOne must be to understand the mind of goyim>so he would've understood issues with animals and diseases. cattle especially I'm sure>Raw milk is illegal in Israel btw.Obviously. Raw milk is of no benefit to the Jews. Lactose intolerance rates of 70-90%. Milk consumption is the genetic inheritance of the Aryan race.
>>22119378>i'm gonna get diseases to own the jewsotay
>>22117898>fastfood-fed fat fucktoyThanks /lit/. Very cool.
99% of people who drink raw milk do so because it allows them to feel more special and because they can brag about it online like the no-life losers they are.>B-But it has extra nutrients!You get all the nutrients you need by eating a balanced diet. Raw milk is mostly for mentally ill, attention seeking narcissists.
>>22119478Most raw milk arguments would go away if raw milk were sold freely n widely.Ppl only argue abt it because 4 most ppl, it is either banned or they have to jump through hoops to get it.Imagine if they banned raw fruits, vegetable, meat, etc n only allow u to buy cooked food n they tell u its to protect u from diseases. What if u ate a raw lettuce n die?Then u bet ur ass ppls gonna argue abt it.Just give ppl the choice to choose n threads like these n posts like urs will fuck off quickly. Ive no idea why the ppl who dont want 2 drink raw milk care what other ppl do.
>>22119494>Ive no idea why the ppl who dont want 2 drink raw milk care what other ppl do.I have no idea why raw milk drinkers feel the need to constantly tell everybody they drink raw milk or make entire threads about their consumption of raw milk frequently.
>>22119496I literally just told u why. Try banning anything n the ppl who still do it/have access to it r gonna brag abt it.Not a hard concept to grasp.
>>22119496There's literally more raw milk complainers than drinkers cunt, I would say the reason people talk about it is to spread that it isn't gonna instantly kill you upon drinking it which is the mainstream narrative.
>>22119528>which is the mainstream narrative.It really isn’t.
>>22119528it still increase your risk of food poisoning. there have been multiple food poisoning outbreaks from raw milk within the last few years. it would be a major issue if everyone was drinking raw milk.
>>22119148ask yourself why does every single baby on earth dislike greens? it's cause their natural instinct tells them to not eat it there's nothing healthy in eating greens
>>22119535This line of reasoning can b used 2 ban anything
>>22119538not really
>>22119536plenty of babies like greens
I don't want my milk to smell like dung.
>>22119533You aren't around people who particularly care about nutrition (fat niggas) so it wouldn't be coming up in conversation often.
>>22119541Yes really.>lets ban all raw cucumbers
I still have no idea why retards push raw milk being better than pasteurized >THERE'S MORE BACTERIA IN ITOK go outside and eat dirt
>>22119555>raw milk shill doesn't understand per capita
>>22119559Im only a shill if i pushed raw milk on everybody n i wanted to ban pasteurized milk.Thats not what i want.I want there 2 b freedom of choice 4 everybody.Hows that a bad thing?
>>22119564Because some people will make bad choices without understanding the possible consequences. We don't need to be executing people in the street for drinking raw milk, but we probably don't need to make it easier to access something that is already causing multiple food poisoning outbreaks. Especially when the alternative of pasteurized milk is still pretty similar but much safer. Any food poisoning outbreak is a concern but with raw milk it's already too common for how few people are drinking it. It's consistently a higher cause of food poisoning above most other food products. Your freedom of choice for everyone just results in people getting sick and dying. Your arguments remind me of drug addicts who try to downplay their addiction and say everyone should be doing drugs too and that it never causes any problems.
>>22119558Why am i allowed to buy raw meat? N raw organs? N raw seafood?U dont think those food r even more dangerous consumed raw than milk?>Your arguments remind me of drug addicts who try to downplay their addiction and say everyone should be doing drugs too and that it never causes any problems.Show me where i said evrrybody should drink raw milk.
>>22119580>Your freedom of choice for everyone just results in people getting sick and dying.N yet alcohol is allowed. Cigarettes r allowed. U think raw milk is more dangerous than those?
>>22119536Genetic racial memory from when Yakub created white people.
>>22117935You usually don't milk a cow for an entire year though
Please continue to drink raw milk so you die sooner
>>22119558Unironically the reason people are so fragile these days and allergic to everything is because they didn't eat enough dirt as kids.
>>22119591They tried to ban alcohol. Tobacco had the minimum legal age raised and is taxed heavily to the point where it's pushing people to vape instead.
>>22118612>>Babies suck on their wives' tits>Didnt think that one through did yaWow that's kinda... Hot
imagine being such a nobody you make a big stink so you can add a little more risk to your milk
>>22118612>Nah, milk is literally for raising young. Thats why it exists. It is for babies.grain exists to facilitate plant reproductionmuscles exist to facilitate movementi'm assuming you arent gonna stop stuffing your fat face hole with hamburgersOR you're gonna come up with some delusional cope to justify ityour argument is ridiculous, as are you
>>22119944*ANDB-)
>>22119591Listeria is more immediately dangerous than both alcohol and tobacco, yes, especially for the pregnant ladies, children, and the elderly
>>22119555If there was a way to reduce this issue like there is for raw milk via pasteurization, “raw” cucumbers would end up in the same boat. You’re comparing apples to oranges. Or, if the retards selling raw milk provided instructions to home-pasteurize like farmers have done for centuries, there would likely be more freedom to sell their product. But they don’t want to even do that.
>>22119536They’re usually bitter, try giving a baby a sugar snap pea, they love those.A baby doesn’t need as much fiber anyway since they barely eat solid food
>>22120415Im talking abt the selling of raw milk, not the drinking of raw milk. Raw milk can always b boiled at home, the way its been done for however long humans have been drinking milk, to make it safer. >>22120420Do any other raw food come with instructions on how to cook it?
>>22120453A lot of things come with how to cook it for food safety purposes, yes.
>>22120455And a lot dont. Why is milk treated with a different standard?
>>22120457Because the process to make it safe is simple, and the dangers tend to be greater. Just be like Al Capone and fight to get the standards changed. The dairy industry will probably fight back on the basis of not wanting to waste their “hard earned” equipment processes and making new labels though.
>>22120458Ive no idea what ur talking abt.When u go to a butcher to buy raw meat n organs, or to a fish monger to buy fish, do they give u instruction on how to make those food safe for consumption? Im guessing no. I dont see anybody fighting to make it a rule that the butcher has to give instruction to pasteurized meat.
>>22120464Pasteurization is just a form of food safety. The meat wouldn’t need to be pasteurized, because ecoli, listeria, and campylobacter aren’t typically found under the skin of an animal. Those contaminants usually come from human error when meat and veggies are involved. With milk, it isn’t necessarily human error because cows are animals roaming outside (hopefully) and the milk comes out of a hole, near their asshole and swinging tails, exposed their whole lives. Heating milk up to protect your family has been a common practice for centuries. A standardized practice of pasteurization that we know kills the bacteria was industrialized to for the masses, but particularly children and pregnant women. Listeria can cause still births and miscarriages. Doesn’t matter if the mom survives, it is likely to kill her baby. AnywayBack to the meat. You ever look at the label they print out with the weight and price? Pic relI have to sayYou are not making raw milkers look less retarded. I’m not an advocate for keeping it illegal, but i understand why it is. It’s just like seat belt laws. There are people who sell pasteurized, non-homogenized milk. That is the same shit but they kill the bacteria for you. You don’t have to be a retard about it.
>>22120464You should genuinely be more concerned about the sale of homogenized, reduced fat milk from unhealthy cows. Thats a much greater injustice to society.Fighting to go back to the least safe version of milk is completely unnecessary.
>>22120548>I’m not an advocate for keeping it illegalThe only sentence that matters. Pls stop writing book length waffle.>>22120551Im guessing ur problem is with skimmed milk? What do suggest we do with the leftover milk once the cream is collected for butter? Dump it down the drain?Ppl have drank the leftover skimmed milk since forever. Theres literally 0 problem with it.Unhealthy cows of course r a problem. So r all unhealthy animals that get sold for meat.
>>22120579You keep asking retarded questions, I’ll keep answering like you’re a retard. Taking the fat out of milk to sell as though it’s more healthy is immoral as fuck.
>>22119585Yeah because you cook them and eat them on the spot. I'm not going to boil a gallon of milk any time I want some. It's also safer and easier to do so during processing. It also allows the milk to keep longer. There are genuinely no bad sides to pasteurizing milk. If you want some bacteria eat some yogurt or sauerkraut. Fermented shit is better for you than raw shit
>>22120588>making butter is immoral>>22120591>There are genuinely no bad sides to pasteurizing milk. If you want some bacteria eat some yogurt or sauerkraut. Fermented shit is better for you than raw shitStop talking like ur godLet ppl decide n eat however the fuck they wishHow abt that
>>22120598You may want to brush up on your reading comprehension skills outside of school.
>>22120601If u write more clearly, ppl wouldnt be confused>Taking the fat out of milk to sell as though it’s more healthy As though whats more healthy? Skimmed milk? Butter? Both get sold.
>>22120606I write clearly, but you’re so retarded you get angry when i include too much context. You’ve really put me in a pickle.Skim and reduced fat milk has been marketed as healthier for a long time now. It’s not healthier, unless you have a health problem with normal fat intake.The dairy industry being allowed to lie about skim milk products is immoral.Pic rel Stating that fact, and then my opinion, does not mean i want the waste from making butter to go down the drain. Why would you assume that’s what i meant?
>>22120659>Skim and reduced fat milk has been marketed as healthier for a long time now.So has butter.>It’s not healthier, unless you have a health problem So it can b healthier then>with normal fat intake.So i guess that means most american?>The dairy industry being allowed to lie about skim milk products is immoral.Actually thats just most marketing. Most of it is a lie. So if u wanna ban advertisement then im all for it. But dont demonize skimmed milk.
>>22120671> don’t demonize skim milk
>>22120598No. People are stupid and die eating dumb shit every day. Pasteurized milk is a great thing, apart from keeping more dumb people alive
>>22120676I accept ur concessionPpl drank skimmed milk for thousands n thousands of years n for 99.99% of it, they just thought it was a refreshing n healthy beverage. >>22120680U sound deranged desu. I dont think u give a crap abt ppls wellbeing. U just have a strange hangup with raw milk.
>>22120691I never demonized skim milkI was demonizing the marketing the entire time. Please refer to my previous picture
>>22120691>Ppl >n>U>abt>pplsYou can't even form proper words, you subhuman troglodyte. Why should we give a shit about your incredibly retarded opinions?
>>22120691>U sound deranged desu. I dont think u give a crap abt ppls wellbeing.You're saying there should be less barriers to more people consuming something that is more likely to cause food poisoning.
>>22120735I guess u could say that. But really its more i want ppl to have more freedom.>>22120733
>>22120751You just keep talking about vague notions of freedom as a feelgood thing without caring how it'll actually impact people. Pretty much sacrificing other people just so you can say you support freedom. Most people want the freedom to know they can go to the store and buy milk without having a higher risk of food poisoning.
>>22120753How am i sacrificing ppl? I never said pasteurized milk shd not b sold. I never said boiling milk shd b banned. Ppl who want to drink pasteurized milk would still have the same exact freedom as they do 2day. For those ppl it would have 0 impact.
>>22120759i'm not the guy you're replying to but you write like an invalid would
>>22120763Im the guy u replied 2 n i dont care. Caring abt fucking spelling in a debate. Couldnt b me.
>>22120759Not everyone will fully understand the risks of raw milk. If raw milk was legal, there's a possibility less companies would bother with pasteurization because it just takes time and money to do so. People will buy it without realizing they purchased raw milk. There is already an increase of food poisoning outbreaks because of raw milk consumption, if it was available in every store then it would only get worse and not everyone will have willingly taken that risk. When raw milk is somehow processed in a way to be just as safe as pasteurized milk, then yeah it should probably stop being illegal and be more available. But right now you're just patting yourself on the back while allowing sickness to spread because "freedom".
>>22120766Unfortunately for you the points you make and your reading comprehension are the real problem
>>22120767We shd aim 2 make ppl smarter so they can make better decisions. We shd aim 2 demand higher standards 4 our food.Dumbing ppl down so they cant even tell raw vs pasteurized, it is not the world i wanna live in.>there's a possibility less companies would bother with pasteurization because it just takes time and money to do soU know they even sell pre washed veg?N ur afraid they gonna stop selling pasteurized milk just because raw milk is legal?Very disingenuous argument.U know i honestly dont believe u ppl who oppose raw milk care abt ppls wellbeing.I honestly dont. Im not quite sure what the deep psychological reason behind it is, perhaps u shd ask urself.>>22120771Point it out n debate like a man.
>>22120784I did the whole time, king
>>22120784>We shd aim 2 make ppl smarter so they can make better decisions. We shd aim 2 demand higher standards 4 our food.People chose pasteurized milk because they understood the risks of raw milk. It was a higher standard of food. You're wanting to go backwards. Companies are working on trying to make raw milk as safe as pasteurized, you could contribute to that if you really wanted to do what you're saying without making things worse.>U know they even sell pre washed veg?Yes and it costs more. >Very disingenuous argument.It's only disingenuous because you want it to be.>U know i honestly dont believe u ppl who oppose raw milk care abt ppls wellbeing.Sounds like projection since you're wanting to increase the risk of food poisoning.>Im not quite sure what the deep psychological reason behind it is, perhaps u shd ask urself.Rambling nonsense and basically just talking to yourself at this point.
>>22120797Do u demand the banning of other raw food?Do u demand the banning of alcohol n cigarettes?N since i guess ur americanDo u demand the banning of guns?
>>22120797I think the main point of conflict between raw milk and pasteurized milk enjoyers is just the nutrient profile and inherit risk of raw milk. People wouldn't be drinking raw milk if there was confirmed to be no excess of enzymes or nutrients, which is inherently contentious.It should probably just be legalized for those who want it but heavily regulated so people are held accountable for bad milk imo. Most raw milk dairy farms are arguably more hygenic than normal dairy farms too, I think cause raw milk dairy farms are more likely to have grass fed/finished cows and regenerative farming (which both have research to say it could increase the quality of the milk) compared to the normally cruel dairy farms.
>>22120808>Do u demand the banning of other raw food?I would support banning raw chicken being sold intended for raw consumption. Or fish without the freezing treatment to kill parasites and making it safer to consume raw. >Do u demand the banning of alcohol n cigarettes?They tried banning alcohol and it made things worse. I'd be curious to see what would happen if liquor was banned but not beer and wine. Beer and wine can cause problems but liquor seems to be associated more with severe problems. I wouldn't mind cigarettes being banned in favor of something like snus which is supposed to be a lot safer.Guns feels like it gets too off topic and is more complicated than I really want to discuss on the food board.>>22120875>Most raw milk dairy farms are arguably more hygenicBut there have been multiple food poisoning outbreaks from raw milk already. I said before but I do think raw milk is likely more nutritious, it's just also a higher risk of food poisoning that would cause widespread major issues with the way things are right now if it was available everywhere easily. I do want to be able to have raw milk but I also want it to not be more dangerous than pasteurized milk.
>>22120784>We should aim to make people smarterI'm guessing you vote against any sort of levy for schools the way you talk about "freedom"
>>22120808You’re presenting false equivalencies here. Like i explained before, raw meat and vegetables don’t carry the same risks and come with warning labels. Alcohol and cigarettes have long term lifestyle affects as opposed to quick onset affects. Gun ownership is heavily regulated, and I’ll again bring up the difference between accommodating for human error and natural occurrences that can be solved. Guns don’t just go off from regular use, any gun that did would be pulled from the shelves.> point it out and debate like a manBut you have the brain of a child, it’s just bullying to get through your rock head
>>22120880There is no "raw chicken being sold intended for raw consumption". There is only raw chicken. The supermarkets n governments dont control how ppl consume them.Do u intend to ban raw chicken consumption? How do u inforce it, other than banning raw chicken outright?Same with fish.>but not beer and wine. Why do u support banning raw milk but not beer n wine?>Guns feels like it gets too off topic and is more complicated Not complicated at all. Just yes or no answer. Land of the free remember?>I do want to be able to have raw milk but I also want it to not be more dangerous than pasteurized milk.U get it as fresh as possible. Otherwise u boil it, like how its been done for thousands of yrs.
>>22120900I dont know what ur talking abt.>>22120918>raw meat and vegetables don’t carry the same risks Prove it>and come with warning labels. So this is a labeling issue. Thats easy 2 fix.>Alcohol and cigarettes have long term lifestyle affects as opposed to quick onset affects. And yet theyre affects all the same. N deadlier effects wouldnt u say>Gun ownership is heavily regulated....N yet easier to get a gun for many americans than raw milk.>But you have the brain of a child, it’s just bullying to get through your rock headU r a very rude person. A like u admitted urself, a bully.
>>22120880>But there have been multiple food poisoning outbreaks from raw milk already.It's not really a raw milk specific problem though, of the estimated 800 food outbreaks that happen per year, google says there's 10 to 13 per year for raw milk. Obviously raw milk is produced and consumed less but it's also produced illegally.It's just weird to demonize raw milk for it when the widespread harm of other drugs and goyslop greatly outweighs issues with raw milk. If it was legalized and regulation was stricter, you wouldn't have to go to illegal sources to get it.Same shit with legalizing marijuana, it's just with milk it's an addiction to the good ass taste. At least you are open-minded though.
>>22120920>There is no "raw chicken being sold intended for raw consumption".There is in Japan. Japan has problems with food poisoning and parasites from raw chicken and fish being eaten.>Why do u support banning raw milk but not beer n wine?Completely banning alcohol seemed to make things worse. The same isn't true of milk. Pasteurized milk is a safe alternative that is still similar enough.>Not complicated at all.The topic of guns is very complicated and if you don't think it is then you're probably not worth talking to about it.>Land of the free remember?Cool snark bro, totally convinced me of freedom for raw milk or whatever>U get it as fresh as possible.Freshness doesn't have to do with contamination that is the main cause of food poisoning.>Otherwise u boil it, like how its been done for thousands of yrs.So pasteurizing it. I doubt you actually expect many people to be doing that. It feels like a dishonest argument to say raw milk "could" be safer just because you want it to be sold more easily.
>>22120936I'm calling you a retarded libertarian
>>22120936Don’t challenge people when you’re ignorant and too lazy to google then. I gave you everything you needed to find the proof and you told me not to write books at you. You’ve been a stupid asshole this whole time.>>22120937It’s weird that people who got into hobby farming started using fear mongering to sell raw milk without telling their customers to give it a safety boil at home. Also weird for them to lie about what pasteurization is and the safety practices they take that are VERY CLOSE to pasteurization.
>>2212093710 to 13 outbreaks for raw milk is a lot considering the smaller number of people drinking it and that there seemingly haven't been any major outbreaks with pasteurized milk in decades. Now scale that up and you're dealing with a major health issue that will result in more deaths. Maybe legalizing it could reduce that number, but proponents of raw milk talk about how raw milk producers are actually more hygienic and all these other things while outbreaks keep happening.>It's just weird to demonize raw milk for it when the widespread harm of other drugs and goyslop greatly outweighs issues with raw milk.I don't think anyone really says don't drink raw milk but eat Cheetos and do drugs instead. Drugs and junk food are usually discouraged. Junk food is obviously junk but eating infrequently it doesn't cause major issues. If junk food was frequently causing food poisoning outbreaks that couldn't reasonably be controlled then it would probably be banned too. >At least you are open-minded though.Yeah I don't understand the people who say raw milk has no health benefits. It obviously does if you do even the bare minimum of research. But you can say raw milk has health benefits while also admitting it has risks.
>I'm gonna boil water to make sure there isn't harmful bacteria that makes me sick or kills meThat makes sense to me>I'm gonna boil milk to make sure there isn't harmful bacteria that makes me sick or kills me[screeching intensifies]
>>22120941>There is in Japan.Ive got no idea why u brought japan up. Do u live in japan? The japs dont ban raw chicken either.I ask again, do u wanna ban other raw food?>Completely banning alcohol seemed to make things worse. The same isn't true of milk. U said u dont want to ban beer n wine. U said beer n wine can cause problem. Yet u dont want to ban them. But u want to ban milk >The topic of guns is very complicated and if you don't think it is then you're probably not worth talking to about it.Its only complicated because u dont wanna answer. Because living in a country where guns are legal but raw milk isnt is insane.>So pasteurizing it.Yes? I want the choice to buy raw milk n cook it myself at home. U know, like u have the choice to do with any other food.Problem?>I doubt you actually expect many people to be doing that. No i expect the ppl who want pasteurized milk to get pasteurized milk. Its not raw vs pasteurized. Its raw+pasteurized vs only pasteurized. >It feels like a dishonest argument to say raw milk "could" be safer just because you want it to be sold more easily.I dont understand.
>>22120943I dont argue abt political labeling. Call me whatever u wish. Just makes u look retarded.>>22120946No no, i asked u to prove that "raw meat and vegetables don’t carry the same risks".Thats 1 of the reasons u wanna ban raw milk but not other raw food yes? Other than the labeling issue.
>>22120947> health benefitsDo the health benefits really come from the raw status though?The nutrient differences between raw and pasteurized are there, but those are so minuscule. The free range, whole milk, and non homogenized whole fat milk from my Amish buddies are not raw but they certainly feel better to drink compared to Deans 2%. And nutritional profiles are significantly different, especially how the sugar is processed by your body with so much less fat.For me though, i really just love a cream top :3
>>22120958Hey buddy, you can’t just make things up. I can see you’re confused easily but that’s no excuse for fibbing.
>>22120958>can't type complete words>calls others retardednpc behavior
>>22120964>Do the health benefits really come from the raw status though?Yes.>The nutrient differences between raw and pasteurized are there, but those are so minuscule. If you're someone who likes to drink a lot of milk it can add up. >The free range, whole milk, and non homogenized whole fat milk from my Amish buddies are not raw but they certainly feel better to drink The most I've had is just organic grass-fed but still pastuerized/homogenized and I definitely feel a bit better drinking that too. But it's so expensive.
>>22120965What did i make up?>>22120969If u wanna waste time typing than go aheadCouldnt b me
>>22120958Oh yeah, ur a lib
>>22120973You make stuff up all the time because you don’t actually understand what you’re reading. Citing them all would be a waste of time typingCouldn’t be me>>22120971If you can find non-homogenized fresh milk it’s really to die for. Idk what part of the country you’re in, i may be lucky in that way.
>>22120973>communicating clearly is a waste of timethis is one of many reasons nobody takes you seriously rawtard.
>>22120981Am i supposed 2 feel insulted?>>22120984Its okay. Evading any more is not necessary. I accept ur concession. >>22120985>cant read shorthands>brain works so slow he has to literally spell everything out 4 comprehensionSad
>>22120993No just realize you're not as smart as you think you are. By a lot
>>22120993it's called not being a retard, maybe you should give it a try instead of advocating for food poisoning people.
>>22120997I dont think im smart at all. If i was i wouldnt b here talking 2 the likes of u. Its just that u r even dumber than me.Quite a feat>>22120998U shd capitalize the 1st letter. Very imp.
>>22121001>U shd capitalize the 1st letter. Very imp.lel
>>22121001bld fr tnk h shkspr
>>22121001you should stop trying to poison people
>>22121001Shockingly you're the dumbest person I can recall since king bbq
>>22121005Tks>>22121006Im trying
>>22121006That's crazy how you got that from this discussion. You must be a different type of retarded than the other guy.
>>22121001>I dont think im smart at all.we don't think you are either
>>22121010Shocking. Amnesia is no joke.>>22121013We? The royal we? Who else u talking abt?
>>22120993Maybe some day you can read through this thread and understand how many people explained the same things over and over againUntil next time, chimpie
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>>22119494>Most raw milk arguments would go away if raw milk were sold freely n widely.tranny logic "just give us what we want and we will shut up"kill yourself
>>22121136>raw milk = trannyismIs there anything the anti raw milk loons wont stoop to
these niggers will never get through their only dead neuron left that people of the old used to boil raw milk themselves
>>22119648What is it that we do drink all year round then?
>>22121202They used to drink it raw too u fucking faggot
>>22121034He has dark forces within hiim>>22121148No, they said the argument was tranny logic. Why can’t people read anymore
>>22119373I would like my penis to be her future vagina occupant if you follow my meaning
>>22117898do you also believe the earth is flat?
>>22117898pasteurization isnt an issue with modern flash-heating techniques, the nutrient loss is negligible and not worth worrying about, the guaranteed safety profile of pasteurized milk is worth it
>>22117898Ouggghhh 4chan please help, DCFS took away my chromosomal children so now I can’t make muh ballerina farming videos
>>22117898Cow shitholes are located right next to their uddersAre you people really drinking milk with shit particles?
>>22123769that just mean you don't eat pussy faggot
By all means. You should keep buying and drinking that. Please keep doing it. There's no reason to tell us about it though, because it suggests your looking for validation, which isn't what this board is for.
>>22119304Ahh, so you should snort some coke instead, since that is a perfectly natural plant product.Or, even better, take some opium, since that's a natural product of the opium poppy. It's also the main ingredient in heroin.
>>22123797Would you eat the pussy of a fat woman who doesn't wash her ass?
>>22123807No because that's equivalent to grain fed factory farmed dairy.
>>22123808you think farm cows wash their asses?
>>22118016calves raised on pasteurized milk die btw
>>22123916humans are not baby cows
>>22124200Americans may as well be, the difference being that I respect cows.
>>22123916That’s a stupid lieYou can very quickly find feed companies talking about not only pasteurized whole milk for calves but recommending pasteurizing waste milk (skim) because it tends to get bacteria in it.
>>22118600This. What a fag. I bet he doesn't even live in a backstate
>>22123807Depends on how attractive they are. If they look like the slampig in this webm, then yes, absolutely
>>22117898I used to drink this all the time because I thought it was making a difference but really it wasn't. Then I noticed it was fucking 20 dollars a gallon and stopped buying it.
>>22117899Like lettuce?
>>22117968There was no end-to-end commercial and residential refrigeration?
>>22124642She should go up a cup size
>>22124908Refrigeration slows food spoilage but it doesn't do anything for contamination.
>>22125134It does though? Thats why storing food in the fridge keeps it from going bad unlike leaving it out where it contaminates stuff. Otherwise your entire fridge would be covered in salmonella after putting raw chicken in there.
>>22125152You're not rubbing the raw chicken all over your refrigerator, bacteria don't just jump surfaces on their own. And contamination in this sense means bacteria being introduced by something else, usually poop. If poop gets in milk or on chicken, it can still make you sick even if it was kept properly refrigerated the entire time and that's partially why milk is pasteurized too. Refrigeration would be enough if milk was guaranteed to be free of contamination but we don't seem to have the technology for that which is why there have been multiple food poisoning outbreaks with raw milk despite modern refrigeration.
>>22125185So then whats the point of the fridge because even if food starts to "spoil" you could just boil it. So the whole not jumping surfaces doesn't seem right. I think your wrong.
>>22125195Heat only kills bacteria but it won't destroy the toxic byproducts they leave behind. It can make food safe if it only just recently had bacteria introduced somehow, but if food is beginning to rot because it sat around long enough then cooking won't make it safe which is why you can still get food poisoning from fully cooked food. Refrigeration helps slow spoilage so the food stays fresh when you do cook it but it doesn't stop poop contamination from making you sick.
>>22120548Then just make sure the milk hole stays clean??
>>22125558Go ahead and try to clean up into a “milk hole”, see how that compares to flash heating a liquid
>>22117898I can't raw milk or trust small dairy producers I need that FDA FSMA-based standard of cleanliness. I spent 3 years of my youth fostered on a small dairy farm that produced raw cow and goat milk, and every one of those big cans of milk had shit floating in it. That's what you're drinking when you get this bullshit holistic unregulated products. That gallon of milk had shit floating in it and all they did was skim it off.
>>22118547>you can't wash milkmaybe you can't, pleb
