>>22184562you must be American we don't do that in Germany
yyou can sous vide in glass jars
>>22184562The plastic will not harm you, schizo.
>>22184576absolutely because i won't eat that trash
>>22184562my brother in law...
>>22184562i can only assume it’s a special kind of plastic that holds up under extreme temperatures, right?
>>22184562>boiledYou're doing it wrong.
>>22184587Why would you eat plastic? You think the plastic comes apart? How do you explain it being water tight?You fucking dunces are unbelievable in your unfounded fears. haha
>>22184562>boiledthat's not what that word means
>>22184677Hmmmm, I wonder why the pictures they used are all clearly not cooked via sous vide???
>>22184677is bacon a tender or a tough cut
>>22184687>sous vide bacondisgusting lolSome of the listings on that chart seem questionable to me. 18 hours for 'tough' cuts of pork? Fish cooked at only 122F? Tender green vegetables cooked for 90 minutes, but root vegetables only cooked 15 minutes?
>>22184683Don't know but that doesn't somehow make the water boiling.
>>22184683>>22184677Also...>hard boiled egg>in a plastic bag>for OVER AN HOURThis has to be a joke, right? even poached the cooking process is just tossing it in hot water for a few seconds, and you want to complicate that with a bag and also make it take 100 times as long???I will never accept this as a legitimate cooking method
>>22184692Looks like it should be min 15m for tender and 1.5h for starchy. They got the two lines swapped.
>>22184698>hard boiled egg in a plastic bagTrolling for attention is an effeminate activity. Pathetic this is what you have to resort to for human connection.
>>22184677It's still hot water that will liberate all types of nasty chemicals into the food, say nothing of the micro plastics when you open up the bag. And that still doesn't count for all the pollution, a plastic bag like that will be rotting away in a landfill for 1000 years just because some hipster asshole didn't want to learn how to cook without the aid of gadgets and toys.
>>22184698You don't need to use a bag for boiled eggs, duh. The idea with sous vide eggs is that you get consistency when preparing large batches. You can do 50 eggs if your pot is big enough and they will all come out the exact same.Sous vide also lets you get a perfect boiled egg where the yolk is not chalky and dry. And before you say it, yes you can also do that with a pot on the stove and for one or two eggs it is the better idea.>>22184562If you eat at restaurants you have eaten sous vide food, and worse. Restaurants love microwaving food in plastic. Probably 90% of all restaurants use some form of cooking in plastic.High quality virgin HDPE vacuum bags do not use plasticizers like bpa or pthalates, btw.
The sous vide doesn't release microplastics bait is very boring. Enjoy your cancer faggots
>>22184692Pork shoulder @ 165 for 24 hours, refrigerated overnight, then smoked for 3 hours is extremely delicious. The beauty of sous vide meats is that you can go straight from frozen and just add a little extra time to the cook.>>22184709Can you show me the studies on virgin hdpe releasing microplastics and nasty chemicals? Hdpe is recyclable and hipsters are definitely recycling their plastics lol.
>>22184698You're retarded. You only need ONE bite of something cooked that way to understand and "accept" it as a legitimate cooking method. But you're afraid to try it because you think bits of plastic are in there and will kill you.
>>22184724>Pork shoulder @ 165 for 24 hours, refrigerated overnight, then smoked for 3 hours is extremely delicious.I'm not saying it wouldn't be delicious, but that chart lists 18 hours as the minimum cook time which I think is complete bullshit.
>>22184709Dumbshit.
>>22184721Your new age fearmongering is very boring. Enjoy your tough cuts of meat, shitnuts.
>>22184730It depends on how you want it to come out, cook temp, and how big the piece is.Collagen breakdown is time/temp dependent. At 158 you could probably get away with 16 hours for sliceable meat, and then pulled pork tender at 18-24. If you go too long the meat gets mushy.
>>22184733Bait is supposed to be funny
>>22184736You're the one baiting. Only a handful of absolute schizos believe what you do. You must be locked in your bubble to call the sane majority baiters. There's no evidence whatsoever that chemicals or plastic gets into food that touched plastic. You're an imbecile and you know it.
>>22184677>one hour to cook a fucking egg
>>22184741If you're serious then you're going against the widely accepted science. You aren't serious however.
>>22184730This is what my sous vide shoulder + 3 hour smoke looked like after I shredded it. 14lb piece cooked from frozen. >>22184748Studies?>>22184747See>>22184712
>>22184748Fuck off, troll. You have no links, no evidence anywhere to claim being afraid of plastics in kitchens is "widely accepted science". You believe in pseudoscience and disinformation. 100% you're one of those 'seed oil' freaks too.
>>22184752that looks incredibly dry anon
>>22184758Another contrarian post from the troll losing every battle. lol
>>22184756Seed oils too are perfectly fine, that too is also widely accepted science. You are quite literally poisoning yoursel.
>>22184748You need to find studies on food grade virgin hdpe. Thats what vacuum bags most commonly used for sous vide are made from>>22184758Are you stupid, blind, or both? It was extremely moist and tender.
>>22184724I don't need any studies to know that eating shit is not healthy, but i'm not asking for them either.As for microplastics, what do you think happens when you CUT THE BAG OPEN? >Most sous-vide bags are NOT biodegradable and can persist in nature for ~100–500+ years. They slowly fragment into microplastics rather than truly disintegrating.ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING. Fucking up the planet for pure laziness.
>>22184756There is a little nuance to the plastics in a kitchen thing. High quality food grade plastics are generally considered safe to use under normal conditions. Cheap plastics and recycled plastics can leach bad things in your food. There was a semi recent finding that recycled black plastic utensils were leaching a toxic fire retardant into foods, and I tossed all the ones I owned and replaced them with wooden ladels and spoons.
>>22184777Hdpe is absolutely recyclable. I use a knife to open the bags. No particulate gets anywhere and if you think that is what microplastics are you are wildly misinformed.
>>22184766Poisoning myself with plastic? You need to provide your sources for that. You won't because you know you're lying. There exists no such evidence.
>>22184777You cut the bag open and it's still intact or in two pieces. Do you think it sheds everywhere? I don't cut plastic with a belt sander, you disingenuous pile of shit.
>>22184785Recyclable in what way, exactly?
>>22184791No one is going to spoonfeed you. Look it up.
>>22184791It is sorted, cleaned, shredded, and then turned into plastic pellets that are used to make other plastic things.
>>22184792You would spoonfeed him microplastics if you could
>>22184792I will spoonfeed him and then call him a big dumb baby for needing to be spoon fed when the argument inevitably devolves into shit flinging.
>>22184795I believe microplastics are out there. They're in the oceans, they're in our bodies. But drinking from plastic bottles and using freezer bags or sous vide bags is not where they come from directly. We cannot avoid it and it's truly fucked what's happening to Earth, but ridding one's kitchen of plastic really doesn't help. It's irresponsible dumping that caused this. Decades of it.
>>22184568OP is clearly a Europoor
>>22184792Here. Use these.
>>22184794GREAT. It's recycled into more plastic. That's so much better. Absolutely the definition of recycling.
>>22184805No it is not recycled into more plastic. There is no making more plastic. The same plastic is reused. It's the exact same as aluminum recycling, really.
>>22184802looks like the dildos i use
>>22184821So you're scared of plastic in the kitchen but you love plastic in your rectum? Is that some kind of weird plastic fetish you have?>>22184805Im just going to add that you have made multiple posts bitching about plastic going into a landfill and now that you know it is recyclable and doesn't just end up in a landfill you are now finding another thing to bitch about. This time an incorrect understanding of how recycling works with some arbitrary hysterics tacked on. You know you can just admit you were wrong or didn't know that hdpe is recyclable, right?
a drawing so some of you can understand
low grade plastic is usually 'downcycled' into things like posts that hold up guardrails.
>>22184576They make silicone bags too.Even more inert
>>22184647>150f>Extreme temperature:/
>>22184853Difference between nano plastics and and natural polyfiber precursors for organic plastics?
>>22184724man you’re a real foodhead cooking a meal for 27 hours
>>22184853That doesn't explain HOW anything happens. It just shows different sizes of plastic. You're so full of shit.
>>22184891Remember when you were a kid and you would write things down or draw things on paper? If you take a look at these pieces of paper now, you will notice how they changed, they will be more yellow or brittle or even partially eaten away by silverfish. That is entropy in action. Entropy is the mechanism by which things decay through the passing of time. Everything suffers from it, even rocks, which slowly erode with wind force and sunlight until they became beach sand.That is the mechanism by which everything is, eventually, broken down by time.
>>2218488327 hours sous vide + smoke or about 16 hours of semi active smoker management + probably 2 days of waiting for it to defrost in the fridge. Remember it was a frozen 14lb whole shoulder. It's not really that crazy if you think about it. Starting a shoulder on the smoker around midnight to have it ready for the party the next day would have been crazy.
>>22184899Ah, I guess there wasn't any room for all that in the comic strip flow chart. But seeing as we're already inundated with endless plastic, there's nothing you can do. And again, using plastic in your kitchen does not contribute to eating bits of microplastics. What you describe has been happening since the advent of plastics and it's only going to get worse, along with other environmental concerns which some nations try to chip away at while others (in the East) just do whatever the fuck they want because they are shortsighted.
>>22184568You just put people in the ovens for hate speech.
>>22184911Hate speech IS free speech. But no one is crying any tears for bigots abroad who get jailed for their online edgelord rantings. Serves them right.
This thread was a slaughter. Anti sous videlets got absolutely btfo. One of the worst performances I have ever seen in these threads.
can you sous vide without the plastic?
>This thread was a slaughter. Anti sous videlets got absolutely btfo. One of the worst performances I have ever seen in these threads.
>>22184972Sometimes, yeah. You can just place eggs in the pot of water. You can make yogurt in glass jars as well.
>>22184979>forgets imageThey cannot stop losing. KEK
>NOOOOO PLASTIC BADwho fucking cares? Everything you eat and drink was touched by some fucking plastic.
>>22184899Yellowing is caused by oxidation. Your understanding of entropy is very "bill Nye". Corrosion is due to mechanical and chemical weathering. These are mostly driven by entropic considerations. For example, oxidation is against entropy, rerard.
>>22184989>rerardDumbass idiot
>>22184989Got it. Next time I'll wait until I get a PhD in physics before I can reply.
>>22184996how rare you
>>22184858The problem is you can't vacuum seal those kind and it's just not the same.
>>22184679>the plastic comes apartIt can come apart. This can be observed via microscopes, and has been observed doing exactly that. It is also exacerbated by heating and rubbing of plastic surfaces.>unfoundedEven the smallest microplastics can influence how bacterial cells and animal tissues grow, this too has been tested. It’s a subtle, slow, and chronic effect that likely won’t hit you until your 60s, then it’ll be the next lead poisoning. They also cannot be filtered easily as they are a mix of many different kinds of plastics, each their own chemical with their own quirks. They can also be transferred from mother to child.
>>22185401Even if it were true you couldn't prevent any of it.
>>22185403Yes he could
>>22185404Anyone can return to monke if they really wanted to, retard.>>22185401Can you show me these observations and studies. Food grade virgin hdpe is the type of plastic.
>>22185427Imagine being this retard 10000 yrs agoHis dad tells him 2 wash his fucking hands after going 2 the shitter>SAUCE??? DO U HAVE SAUCE??? CAN U PROVE NOT WASHING MY HANDS WOULD DO ANYTHING 2 ME?????Dies of choleraGood riddance
>>22185427You could just look it up for yourself. There are plenty of peer reviewed studies out there.
>>22184677>1 hour for a boiled eggpure autism
3 more posts proving >>22184933 correct. It's like arguing with retarded teenagers.
>I agree with myself and those who hold the same opinion as me, therefore the other side lost.
>>22185970>still no argument
>>22185991Argument against WHAT?>It's a dumb way to cook>It pollutes the environment for 500+ years>It infuses the food with poisonous chemicals
>>22184677jesus christ what a way to overcomplicate preparing an egg
>>22186009>I can't readYou are retarded. All of that was addressed/refuted and then ignored. Now you are repeating yourself. Proving >>22185970 correct, but for the anti sous vide side. Very nicely done.>>22186010Same for you.
>>22186009And your proof is where, exactly?
>>22186027here>>22184853>>22184777
>>22186033Ah OK. A distinct lack of evidence. Oogie boogie ghostie. Nervy weakling.
>>22186033>yes, I cannot readJust ask me to spoonfeed you the replies refuting your "proof" and Ill find them for you.
Claim #1 made by pro sous-vide camp:>The plastic bags are biodegradable.Where's the evidence of that?
>>22186043>Lying retard cannot readThe anti sous vide side made the claim that all sous vide bags end up in the landfill. The refutation was that hdpe plastic most commonly used in sous vide bags is 100% recyclable, and the "hipsters" using them are very likely to recycle them.NEXT!
>>22186043i dont care about sous vide, but all you had to do was fucking google whether or not a product like that existshttps://www.argiontechnology.com/products/bags-rolls/compostable-vacuum-sealer-bags/
>>22184677I like how everything is, like, 1-3 hours. Sure, just pick any of 120 minutes, there.
>>22185508No one is dying of microplastics and there's no evidence to support your bullshit fears. You can't keep them out of your body by simply not using plastic near food in your home. Fucking idiot.
>>22185818No there are not. Which is why you can't provide any.
>>22186009I don't know if you actually think plastic "infuses the food with poisonous chemicals" or if you're making fun of the schizo who believes it. But just so we're clear on what I'M saying, plastic does NOT infuse food with any 'poisonous chemicals'.LOL
>>22186033No, we already called you on your comic there. It does not illustrate anything.
>>22186181Yes it is like an oven that cooks at low and precise temps.
I know that it's normal for 4chan users to go against the "experts" but is injesting microplastics really the hill you're willing to die on?
>>22186292Sometimes disagreeing with "the experts" is simply due to the experts being wrong rather than a sense of contrarianism. Also OP isn't an expert and neither are you.
>>22186305>Also OP isn't an expert and neither are you.But you are?
>>22186305neither me nor op are experts but people who spent a decade in school to pursue a career in researching such things certainly are!
>>22184698>>22184747>>22185843>>22186010just cook 60+ eggs it comes to less than 1 minute per egg retards
>>22186375Sous vide chads playing chess while the videlets struggle with checkers.
>>22185401>It can come apart.How do you know that?>This can be observed via microscopesYou've never observed that.
I wonder what opnigger thinks the seasoning on his cast iron pan is.By the way, we all know what these threads are: insecure ignorant retards who are afraid to ask questions because asking makes them look ignorant, so instead they act retarded on purpose hoping to provoke responses that will tacitly give them an answer they want to hear. It's really baffling low self-esteem behavior.
>>22184709>It's still hot water that will liberate all types of nasty chemicals into the foodThere is no evidence that supports this claim.>say nothing of the micro plastics when you open up the bag.There is no evidence that supports this claim.
