They'd never do a chicken parm like this in Italy, but that's why America is better.
>>22193239Chicken parm is australian
>>22193239I think they do this same shit in italy and it sucks there too
>>22193239>Bread it and deepfry it to make it crunchy!>But then also immediately douse it in tomato sauce so it's now just chicken wrapped in soggy breading.>It's ok though because the person eating this is also probably having a side of boiled flour.
>>22193241Australia is American>captcha: Star of David
>>22193251>doesnt eat starches>has no blood sugarngmi
>>22193251>Christhe ate carbs
>>22193241How did your dumbass possibly come to that conclusion?
>>22193239that's incorrect as well.the chicken is supposed to be ON TOP of the pasta.
>>22193239I think it's better with french fries than pasta
>>22193241he said parm, not parmie
>>22193239>chicken parm like this in Italy Burino pasta carb bomb
>>22193239They dont do chicken parms in Italy. And that looks like a shitty, shitty chicken parm. I could cook one better with one arm
>>22193288Because it very literally is.>>22193239We don't do chicken parm at all. That's fully anglo shit.
Don't they eat eggplant parmesan over there
>>22193458We do. It's the anglos who don't. They've confused a separate dish, eggplant cutlets (cotolette di melanzane) with eggplant parm (melanzane alla parmigiana). A parmigiana is an unbreaded multilayered casserole. It's sometimes also unflouredCotolette:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xp73WbdU3wParmigiana: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHGCsFZPLYE
>>22193251Enjoy your kidney stones, ketoshart.
>>22193389schizo
>>22193239It's the same with pizza. Italians are poor and can't afford to lay the cheese on thick, so they sprinkle a little bit and pretend it's better that way.
>>22193701>sprinkleOh no! You're retarded! : (
>>22193451It's literally an Italian-american dish
>>22193710How long have you lived with your intellectual disability?
>>22193710It's Australian m8, take your meds
>>22193353french cuisine really is the best in the world
>>22194888Fuckers eat snails.
I actually looked it up... it really is from Australia. Wtf
>>22193239To me, the way that Olive Garden does chicken parm is definitive.
>>22193710>literallyThis needs to stop.
>>22193717How long have you?
>>22195012NTAUsing wikipedia and reddit as sources is not reliable. Americans claim to have invented everything anyway (from immigrants of course) and usually make up a little story as to where and by whom.It would blow your mind to know that many things you think is American . . . .is not!
>>22195025 #If you even read the article, the earliest mention of the dish it gives in the US is from 1953 and the earliest restaurant menu to have it that they source is 1956. It also says that it was already well-established in Kangarooland by the same year, 1953. Well-established in Adelaide and a blurb in a NYT article in the same year strongly implies Australian origin, especially considering that they didn't link any American menu from earlier than 1956.>>22195012 #I'm all for using AI to argue for you as long as you actually read the sources it gives. And for the love of cunt, don't use reddit as a source. Ever.
>>22195034>>22195039Looks you typed this twice and made an edit.I disagree with Ai giving a decent answer as it most often sources from wikipedia, which is mainly written and edited by Americans and there are so many things wrong. No doubt the Reddit sources in that article were scraped from wikipedia anyway and that is something else I found, despite have numerous sources, very often they are extracted from the same original source, so it's circular. This happens with food items and many other things too. I take wikipedia with a pinch of salt and so should you. Keeping it on topic ask google who invented friend chicken? It will tell you the place of origin is the USA but that's hysterical.
>>22195064>who invented friend chicken?* who invented fried chicken?
argentinian food is what americans wish american-italain was
>>22193451If it was veal all you guineas would love it.
>>22194894So what? There's a shitload of French food that isnt snails ya fuckin idiot. Its mostly good too
>>22195067I invented friend chicken, i have chickens in my backyard and they are my friends. They give me eggs daily. Thank you friend chickens!
>>22195096Nope because we don't eat that in Italy, either. >>22195064>Looks you typed this twice and made an edit.I sure did. AI can be useful if you know what to do with it. Most people treat it like an infallible font of knowledge and it simply isn't. It even says so. >AI can make mistakes, you dumb, illiterate cuntWhile I don't condone Google calling its users the C-word, I agree with the sentiment: surrendering critical thinking to a computer code that can neither critique nor think is supremely foolish but using it to point you in the right direction is a good way to go.For example, even though I used to work in a library, I forgot that libraries have all sorts of weird stuff in their non-lending collections, including restaurant menus. And AI reminded me of that fact when I was telling a guy that, yes, Chinese takeout in New England have had curry chicken on menus since long before he was born despite his complaints that it's a "new thing". I posted scans of dozens of menus proving that point. 4chan being what it is, he, of course, refused to relent even with insurmountable evidence proving him wrong. And I wouldn't have remembered to check the Boston, Portland, Springfield, Providence, Montpellier, Augusta etc library systems for those menus if AI didn't suggest it. That's a good use for AI. It's a signpost. It's not the destination.
>>22195129https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotoletta_alla_milaneseDid the CIA make this up?
>>22195147No. And I fail to see what an unsauced, uncheesed, unbaked northern veal cutlet has to do with a tomato sauced, cheesed, and baked chicken cutlet inexplicably associated with the culinary traditions of southern Italy by the anglosphere.It seems like you're doing precisely what I was getting at yesterday with >>22193476
>>22195154So at what point would one of you lot lose your appetite?The tomato sauce? The cheese? Both of them together? The pasta?At what point of adulturation would you start fleeing in fear from a veal cutlet with tomato and cheese?
>>22195160I wouldn't. And I don't think most of us would, either. It's just not part of our traditions, is all. That's my point. I similarly wouldn't turn my nose up at a taco even though those are very much not a thing in Italy, either. Same idea. It's a foreign food. That's all. I even spoke to a friend of mine, an American, on August 24th, who was professing his undying love for chicken parm to me. And all I could say is "I've never had it" but that I would try it so long as the sauce isn't that thin, sugary-sweet stuff italo-american tomato sauces tend to be.
>>22195025https://www.broadsheet.com.au/national/food-and-drink/article/brief-history-chicken-parmigiana>>The earliest known reference to a chicken version, though, is in 1944, from the east coast US state of Maryland, south of New York and Philadelphia. >>in Australia, things happened much later. There was a recipe in the Weekly Times for chicken parmigiana in 1951, but O’Connell tells us it consisted of boiled chicken, rice and sultanas. Not quite the dish we know and love.>boiled chicken, rice and sultanas.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-07-05/where-the-chicken-parmigiana-come-from/11277414>>According to food historian and author Jan O'Connell the earliest reference to a chicken parmigiana in Australia is in 1980.>earliest reference to a chicken parmigiana in Australia is in 1980.
In italy they serve the pasta first and the chicken parm itself second. Pasta and meat are served in separate courses in italy.
>>22193252Wet the drys, dry the wets
>>22195535Just goes to show italians are the absolute worst at cooking italian food
>>22193241No one would serve that abomination in Australia we have standards
>>22193476>chicken schnitzel>bacon or ham>tomato sauce>shitload of cheese>some chips and saladI don't make the rules spaghettinigga>>22195007unironically?
>>22195351She has a BA in art and a master's in marketing. Hardly the CV of anyone I would expect to call themselves a food historian. Furthermore, https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/98301501 is an article from 1945 mentioning parm in passing, saying simply that the author's young daughter's appetite for it could "put a grown man to shame" as she eats the main and a side of side of spaghetti and salad along with it. In mentioning it without an explanation of what it is, it could be inferred that the dish was already known to Australians by that point.This claim of boiled chicken with raisins actually fits an American dish, country captain, a curried dish created in Philadelphia that became popular in the American South, where Jan O'Connell currently lives as a retiree with an inexplicably lesbian haircut and a husband.>>22195608Besides the rules, you also don't make coherent points.
>>22195594You people drink VB, what standards could you possibly have?
>>22195536Wet the man, dry his daughter
>>22193241my god australians are so fucking retarded
Ragusea is a fag but he got one thing right: chicken parm is way better with the sauce on the plate underneath the chicken. The traditional way leaves the cutlet too soggy.
>>22195025Wikipedia is generally pretty reliable. It's not 2007 anymore dude.
>>22195025All italian food was invented in America. Specifically New York. Absolutely all of it. This is not a debate.
>>22193451>That's fully anglo shit.It is certainly not. Italian-American food at the time was considered exotic to Angloids like how Mexican food is now. Eventually it became accepted into the broader culture thoughever, just like Mexican food is now. Basically you people are European Mexicans.
>>22195950wikipedia now has a different problem, being plagued by libshit bias
>>22193241No it's not
>>22195965>It is certainly not.>food unknown to Italian speaking, Italian-cultured Italians in Italy but extremely popular with anglo-speaking, anglo-cultured anglos in the anglosphere is, like, totally an Italian dish, bruhUh-huh. And tell me how alfredo is an Italian thing despite nobody in Italy knowing what it is, the restaurant in Italy that only anglo tourists go to that supposedly created the dish serves an entirely different thing from alfredo and doesn't even call that thing thing by that name to boot.>European MexicansThat's the Poles. They retile bathrooms for pocket change, just like your Mexicans. >>22195950The fact that wikishitia says alfredo is Italian in the same article that also says it's unknown in Italy is enough of a reason to say "yeah, nah, fuck that".
>>22195985Alfredo is Italian. The American version is significantly different but the OG is Italian
>>22196036>the OG, that no one in Italy cooks or is even aware of, is, like, totes Italian!lol
>>22193239that spaghetti looks like shit
>>22195985>And tell me how alfredo is an Italian thing despite nobody in Italy knowing what it isIt's an Italian-AMERICAN thing just like chicken parm. Italian immigrants came here in droves. You're pretending to be retarded aren't you?>That's the PolesThey're pale and eat bland food. Sorry, they're white.
>>22196045Oh yeah Italians never make pasta with cheese and butter ya fuckin retard. You're not smarter than wikipedia or AI, you're just a faggot
>>22193252Adam Fagusea suggests putting the sauce on the side and dipping pieces in to it with a fork and I must say: it just werks
>>22196051You really need to work on your reading comprehension, my sub-freezing IQ'd friend.>>22196065That neither rebuts nor refutes a single point made in that post, kiddo. I'd tell you to try again but you'll still get it wrong. : (
>>22196065>macaroni and cheese is alfredo lol
>>22196077Let's break it down then, my brown friend:1. You claim chicken parm is "fully Anglo shit"2. I correct you; it was actually invented by Italian immigrants to America and would have been considered exotic to Anglo-Americans3. You write a bunch of nonsense about how Anglos enjoy it thus it must be an Anglo invention4. I reiterate that it was indeed invented by Italian peopleIs that where we're at? Faggot? Stupid?
>>22196079Alfredo is a poverty meal of cheese, butter and pasta. It's not a hard concept to grasp, even for Italians.>>22196077You haven't made a point apart from saying the sources provided to you are all wrong because you say so, so again, you're just a dumb faggot
>>22196086>I correct youYou did not.>it was actually invented by… AmericansCorrect.>You write a bunch of nonsense about how Anglos enjoy it thus it must be an Anglo inventionYou have poor reading comprehension>4. I reiterate that it was indeed invented by Italian peopleIncorrectly.>nachos bel grande are Mexican foodThat's the argument you're making.
>>22196090>because you say soNo, because Wikipedia says so itself. Learn to read. The article says it's Italian then also says Italians don't know what it is. How is it Italian if Italians don't cook or eat it, aren't even aware of it and the only people in Italy who do eat it are anglo tourists?
>>22196095>immigrants lose their ethnicity as soon as they enter AmericaThat's the argument you're making.
>>22196101>muh heritage! lolThat's your defense? lmaoYou do know that yes, they literally do stop being Italian, right? To become an American citizen, they have to renounce former citizenships.
>>22196100It does not say that anywhere. Ya'moron
>>22196120Then it's been edited since I last looked at it. Check the history. The dish is unknown in Italy.
>>22196121That's objectively not true. The American version may be, but Alfredo is served in italy and has been for years
>>22196130>That's objectively not trueIf we're just going to deny reality then you're very attractive, well liked and your arguments well-reasoned and unassailable. Tell me more about these American people in America who can't pronounce their own surnames correctly (or anything else for that matter)and speak only English and how they're totally Italian. I really want to know more. </denying reality>
>>22196159>Fettuccine Alfredo (Italian: [fettut'tʃiːne alˈfreːdo]) is a pasta dish consisting of fettuccine tossed with butter and Parmesan cheese which is melted and emulsified to form a rich cheese sauce coating the pasta.[1] Originating in Rome in the early 20th century, the recipe is now known primarily in the United States and other countries.[2][3]>The dish is named after Alfredo Di Lelio, a Roman restaurateur who created and popularized it.[4] Di Lelio's tableside service was an integral part of the recipe's early success.[5][6][7] Fettuccine Alfredo is a variant of standard Italian preparations fettuccine al burro ('fettuccine with butter'), pasta burro e parmigiano ('pasta with butter and Parmesan cheese'), and pasta in bianco ('plain pasta').[8][9][10]>Outside of Italy, cream is sometimes used to thicken the sauce, and ingredients such as chicken, shrimp, or broccoli may be added when Fettuccine Alfredo is served as a main course.[4][11][12] Neither cream nor other additional ingredients are used in Italy, where the dish is rarely called "Alfredo" outside of Rome.[2]
>>22196221>Originating in Rome in the early 20th century, the recipe is now known primarily in the United States and other countries.[2][3][2] links to "Lo strano caso delle Fettuccine Alfredo, il piatto quasi sconosciuto in Italia e famoso negli Usa"Literal translation: "the strange case of fettuccine alfredo, the dish unknown in Italy and famous in the US."Thanks for playing. : )That's why >>22196120 couldn't find it. Because he doesn't speak Italian lol
>>22196232>sconosciuto>Translations of sconosciuto>adjective>unknown, unfamiliar, foreign, incognito
>>22193241>>22193451THAT STOLEN VALOR SHIT DOESN'T WASH ON /CK/ YOU PETROL HUFFING ABO FAGGOTChicken parm was invented in New York in the 1920s. It didn't reach you godforsaken alcoholic convicts until 1953.
>>22196256Another poster said it's from Maryland.
>>22196232>Originating in romeHuh. Weird. Ya'moron
>>22196112>You do know that yes, they literally do stop being Italian, right?Damn, then that should have turned their skin white and made them stop cooking weird un-American food. But somehow it didn't. You fucking stupid faggot.
>>22196278>Originating in romePo angielski, maybe. Pas en italien. The dish is and remains wholly unknown in the boot and the dish that gets conflated with alfredo by anglos, as they are wont to do with all Italian foods (see >>22193476), is neither called alfredo in Italy nor made the same way as alfredo sauce at all. Because, again, the dish is unknown in Italy and Italians don't eat it.I don't know why Americans won't just take the W on this one. I moved to the US, where I live now, was introduced to the stuff and declared it delicious. I even created a more Italian version using Italian ingredients and technique. It's a credit to your otherwise culinarily incompetent country. Take it. It's yours. And it's delicious. The only reason I can imagine that you give it this ridiculous backstory is marketing.
>>22196290They did stop cooking unamerican food. They only cook chicken parm and shrimp alfredo now. That's as American as baseball and hospital bills.
>>22196299Yeah you're being disingenuous as I thought from the start. Concession gladly accepted.
>>22196308Y'know when someone says that, it's only because they realize they've no retort, right? : )It's an incredibly feminine cop out.
>>22196315Your concession was accepted. No need to continue replying.
>>22196297>Modern Fettuccine Alfredo was created by Alfredo Di Lelio in Rome in the early 20th century. According to family lore, in 1892 Alfredo began to work in a restaurant located in Piazza Rosa that was run by his mother, Angelina. He cooked his first fettuccine al triplo burro ('fettuccine with triple butter' – later called fettuccine all'Alfredo, and eventually "Fettuccine Alfredo")[1] in 1907 or 1908, in what is said to have been an effort to entice his convalescent wife, Ines, to eat after giving birth to their first child, Armando.[16][17] Recipes attributed to Di Lelio include only three ingredients: fettuccine, "young" Parmesan cheese and butter.[18][6][7]Are you saying this is all lies and Americans actually invented the dish?
>>22196101>immigrants lose their ethnicity as soon as they enter Americaactually immigrants lose their virginity as soon as they enter Americaland of the free babyy
>>22196324scroll down on the wiki page>In the late 1970s, McDonald's experimented with a dinner menu that included fettuccine Alfredo, pizza, lasagna, and McSpaghetti.We claimed it. no takesie backsies
>>22196297>I've been wrong this entire thread about two separate dishes and can't help but triple and quadruple down on my retardationIt's okay to be wrong bro. When you can't admit it is when you look really stupid
>>22196334Well that settles it. Americans invented fettuccine Alfredo.
>>22193241The OP is claiming America is better. Even if it was Australian, America would still do it better.
>>22196323The fact that you continue to argue only serves to prove that you know no concession was made for you to accept, ma'am. : )>>22196324No. I'm saying what I've been saying: the dish described is not alfredo, no Italian calls that dish alfredo, alfredo is a different dish, that dish is unknown in Italy and anglos are conflating two different things with one another. >>22196337That's exactly what I've been telling you. Yes, you've been wrong the entire thread. I'm glad we agree.Chicken parm is unknown in Italy.Alfredo sauce is unknown in Italy. And neither of these facts have been disproven because that's exactly what they are: facts.
>>22196351Why do we call it Alfredo then? Could it be because>Modern Fettuccine Alfredo was created by Alfredo Di Lelio in Rome in the early 20th century.
>>22196362There's that poor reading comprehension again: for the same reason you call cotolette di melanzane "eggplant parm". It's because you're conflating two separate dishes.
>>22195540>Book is called "Are Italians White?">It's just 200 pages of the word 'no' repeated over and over again
>>22196366They're two separate dishes in the same way as American pizza and Italian pizza are different. They're both still pizza and it was still created in italy.
>>22196761>baked leavened flatbread with tomato sauce, cheese and toppings with myriad variants is the same dish as baked leavened flatbread with tomato sauce, cheese and toppings with myriad variantsYes. Except Chicago. Not flatbread.>pasta with butter, cheese and fuck-all else with no variants, is the same dish as pasta with a cheesy cream sauce and myriad variants (that's not even known in Italy) No.
>>22196079Alfredo sauce is butter parm cheese and heavy cream. The idea that nobody ever combined those ingredients in Italy is laughable. The romans probably ate it.
>>22196768They most definitely didn’t.
>>22196768>idea that nobody ever combined those ingredients in Italy is laughableHardly. Considering heavy cream barely exists in Italy and quite literally doesn't exist in the South. Panna fresca (fresh light cream) is itself uncommon and heavy cream might as well be a mythological construct. See what I mean? You don't even know that much so on what basis do you presume to know what Italians in Italy do or eat?
>>22196784>heavy cream barely exists in Italy and quite literally doesn't exist in the SouthJust googled this and it's fucking true? https://community.chefsteps.com/discussion/12788/heavy-cream-question>Here in Italy is pretty impossible to find the heavy cream (at least in the shop/store/online)
>>22193239>but that's why America is betterIt's kind of pathetic that the only way other countries can try to compete is "le authenticity". Where'd your authenticity gt you? Second place.
>>22195951i unironically believe this, pizza as its mostly known around the world is an American inventionAs long as Germans are claiming they invented the Hamburger because some sailors put some fish on a bread roll i say total euro death give them nothing
>>22197085>unironicallyYou can't make it up.
>>22197115English too while we're at it
>>22197271I'm sorry, I don't understand what you mean, I'm guessing that's a you problem because you obviously don't have much of a grasp on the language. Due to your obvious lack of education.
>>22194894Eat ze snail enculé d'amerloque.
>>22197280here's your trying too hard to not sound like an esl award
>>22197307Ah, the most lowbrow of responses. Let me tell you that I'm just shocked. Some barely functional retard screeching about "ESL". Well done for managing to type at least something out, even if it was pathetically banal.
>>22193239Fuck I miss that kind of Italian food. Somehow my town has like 15 "upscale" "authentic" trattoria type places but zero East Coast Italian-American food other than pizza.
>>22193241>Chicken parm is australianIDGAF where it is from, fried chicken covered in cheese and marinara sauce is one of the best food items ever invented.
>>22193252The OP image has too much sauce, it's too sloppy and wet. So you're correct in that case. But when it's done right, with the perfect amount of sauce on a perfectly crispy cutlet, it is amazing.
>>22197892has to be eaten literally immediately though or it becomes something abominable
