Boiling a creature alive is humane apparently.
ok thank you
>>22207111it isn’t. stop being a pussy and knife it in the head for a humane kill.
>>22207111Animals can't feel pain because they are not ensouled by the Creator. They're automatons.
>>22207123there is no such thing as a soul. the idea that you are this person sitting inside the head somewhere between the eyes is just a convenience that allows you to survive in this world.
>>22207129t. souless atheist
>>22207135I was an atheist as a kid until I realized this supremely obvious fact about life, which is that everything is the same thing. that sense of separation is completely delusional.
>>22207111Crabs aren't people, so I don't care. Cry about it, faggot.
I've never done it before. Last time I killed something was smashing a rabbit with a shovel because my dog was tearing it apart and I needed to put it out of its misery. I felt so bad, I literally buried it crying yelling at the dog yelling "look at what you made me do!" Maybe I'm a pussy but I hate killing. Love eating meat though.
>>22207154the way you casually throw around hateful slurs just shows you are trapped in a kind of hell
>>22207156you were actually crying?
>>22207166It was an emotional time in general and doing that just set me off
>>22207174holy KWAB
>>22207179be nice. anon is being vulnerable and you’re using wrestling slang to insult him.
>>22207129This. I worry everyone but me is a retarded religious contrarian and then I see a normal, thoughtful post like yours.Thank you.
>>22207123dogs have souls, retard. I baptized my dog too.
>>22207156>Used to work for a dog breeder >Buried dead puppies on the daily, not all pups are born right, and sometimes first time mothers just straight up kill their whole litters>Took one little guy home and really tried my best to keep him warm and feed him and keep him alive, checked on him every fifteen minutes >Doing better, little by little, then one time I check him and he's stiff, still, and already going cold >Try to hold it together at work the next day>Another dead puppy to bury>Take him all the way out to the burial spot, he starts twitching and mewling >I can take him all the way back and see if he'll come around, or I can whack him with the shovel and be done with it >Chose whacking him with a shovel, only needed one hit>Buried him and walked home sobbing the whole way, never went back to that jobI get it.
>>22207224Dogs don't even have original sin.
>>22207158That's not an argument, pussy.
>>22207182Anon is a man and shouldn't be vulnerable around strangers because that's fucking gay.
>>22207237You're just proving my secondary point, that if they could do it to us they would.
>>22207236how do you know?
>>22207244We didnt used to be strangers hereBut I guess we are nowSo get the fuck away from me, creepWhy are you bothering someone you dont know? Fucking psycho
>>22207141separation and continuation sems like a meaningless arbitrary distinction imo.
>>22207284the intellectual understanding of it and seeing it for yourself are completely different things. when it hits you, and it can happen to anyone, you will be so astounded.
I can't imagine what kind of psychopath takes the job of shooting cows in the head with the pressure gun willingly. I like beef but fuck, I guess someone's gotta do it.
>>22207123What you do to the least of these you do unto me
>>22207123Fuck off ghoulAnimas can and do feel pain and comfort. Protect fluffy animals.
I get lobster a few times a year. Killing them before cooking them supposedly results in an improvement because they're not dying in a stressful manner, but I can't tell the difference. I always stab them in the head before steaming them anyway.
>>22207129True, and dont ever say the N word or insult trans kids
>>22207326you sound like you're experiencing psychotic delusions
>>22207111It's a brainless bottom-feeder dumbass. Who cares? It's only good quality is it's really tasty.
>>22207111welcome to capitalism
>>22207335We import brown people to do it. Same for pig farms. The jury is still out on whether or not they have souls and many remain unconvinced that they're even human.
>>22207449>Who cares?me
How many seconds does it take for the crab to die from the boiling water?
How did a particular method of killing ever became a topic of discussion? Optics>oh well how would feel if you were boiled aliveYeah and it'd feel alive being enslaved my entire life eating food to get fat so I can live in cramped conditions just to be butchered later.
>>22207152it looks so sad :(
>>22207565>being enslaved my entire life eating food to get fat so I can live in cramped conditions just to be butchered later.We call those Americans.
>>22207616hey buddy, what’s goin on? are you trying to insult us?
>>22207233This is animal care. You have to euthanize them when necessary. The first few times like this where you hesitate because you're inexperienced and don't know what to do are the worst. I only feel bad when circumstances create a situation where I cannot make it clean and quick.
>>22207111>I’m a heckin GOOD PERSON because I won’t hurt an arthropodVegans are wildly obnoxious. You think people can’t be better than animals while at the same time thinking you’re better than other people because of your dumb fuckin hippie opinions.
>>22207616Rent free huh.
>>22207715there are people who eat meat and still think this is cruel
>>22207771Nah, its just vegetablerians throwing shit at the wall to see what sticksThe thing didnt start from someone making scientific ranking of what pains animals the most, they dont know or care.People routinely boil sea food alive because of hygiene and its one of those things you can do at home, you dont experience most animals killings urself so it enables some fucktards to talk about it more easily.
>>22207154>prove the negativeprove the positive first, nigger
>>22207449boiling it alive produces stress hormones, which makes it taste worse
>>22207811nah
>>22207236Dogs absolutely love sodomy though
>>22207811I don't think you need a scientific investigation to conclude that being boiled alive probably hurts. Even if you can't be completely sure what other creatures experience, it wouldn't hurt to err on the side of not boiling them alive.
>>22207903its done for a reasonits hygienicyou dont have a brain you can smash conveniently, sometimes the nervous system is more distributed You have no way of going "meh stabbing the thing caused less pain than boiling" since boiling uniformly destroys cells in few moments and stabbing leaves them functional in parts for long time
>>22207564It can take up to 3 minutes according to Google. They definitely suffer. Or you could just snip off their head with scissors right before.
>>22207919>They definitely sufferIncorrect ofc. Seafood has spent its entire evolutionary track living in water at a constant, never-varying temperature, so their sense systems, such as they are, are tuned to only experience a 2-3 degree F temperature variance of the typical depths at which they have lived for countless aeons. Taking a crab out of 50 degree water and dropping it into 212 would be like dropping a mammal on the Sun. Are mammals even capable of experiencing 10k degrees or would they simply just die?
>>22207111Arthropods started the war and will receive no mercy. Only the honey bees will be spared.
>>22207129>have emotions like you do, flinch from pain like you do, but no they're not actually aware of anythingPsychopathic solipsism.
>>22207919I find that hard to believe. The head portion you cut off with the scissors is quite thin. No way does it take 3 minutes in broiling water for that thin piece of the crab to be heated sufficiently to kill the crab.
>>22207224Based
>>22207949they don't have to accurately feel temperature changes to feel their body being destroyed
>>22208015Their body's not being destroyed until after they're cooked (long dead); otherwise, you wouldn't have a dish to serve.
>>22207909Dunning-Kruger L.M.A.O.
>>22208172wat
>>22208131I appreciate you took time to educate that troll, but it's pointless. They argue for the sake of arguing. There are two types of retards, both think in black & white and are unable to form opinions different than their respective extremes. They're unable to understand fundamental differences between species and their capabilities. Sea food is a collection of various, edible species, but one thing they have in common are the very simple nervous systems which don't point to them even being able to feel pain. Rather, their neurons are supposed to elicit quick movement in response, as a way to dodge their predators. There really isn't much else except simple instructions, just a bit more complex than various insects. I don't see how is it even a topic. I could fully understand if we were talking about chinks generally murdering everything slowly, including dogs and other mammals, because they believe suffering before death makes the food filled with energy and vitamins. Those animal welfare concern trolls would get a heart attack if they went on a trip there. Chinks would boil the water alive if they could.
>>22208131>Their body's not being destroyed until after they're cooked (long dead)What? It starts being destroyed as soon as it hits the boiling water. >>22208196There is plenty of evidence showing that they seek out pain relief in response to injury. Not everyone disagreeing with you is a troll. Rambling and whataboutisms aren't good arguments.
>>22207236>Dogs don't even have original sin.
>>22208196God gave fish nociceptors just for fun I suppose.
>>22207123Demonic thinking
>>22207123they actually do have lesser souls, but no Spirit
>>22207156I had to do this with our pet hamster, don't know what was wrong with it but it started convulsing and making terrible noises. Didn't have a shovel or anything handy was living in a small apartment at the time so I wrapped it in a towel and stomped on it. Still feel sick about it to this day but I didn't want it to suffer a prolonged death. I would never have lasted in ancient days I can't handle animal or human suffering.
>>22207415but enough about christians
>>22208622We gotta do what we gotta do sometimes. It sucks.
>>22207123>>22207123>Animals can't feelthey can obviously perceive and react and experience. pain included
>>22207123You're an objectively, and empirically measurable retard. You're a stupid fucking christcuck with shitty, incorrect, invalid opinions. You honestly, should wholeheartedly kill your parents and then yourself
>>22207269>>22207376Aw basedI appreciate your sentiments,>>22208196Doctors believed children couldn’t feel pain for a few decades. Sometimes it’s much better to use your own eyes and brain to determine reality instead of some report potentially made by people who can’t believe something without their predetermined version of proof. Human lack of understanding doesn’t determine the reality of other creatures.
>>22209854>itodder filenameReply ignored.
>>22207111No but it is human. We are the ultimate apex creatures on this planet to the point we have left the food chain in 99.99999999% of the time. Every other creature on this planet, predator and prey. Die screaming in agony, starving to death, brought down by sickness, and in the very lucky cases. Struck by lightning or fall off a cliff to a painless death. We do what we want because we can and every animal on this Earth is under our domain. Under or influence. We are the masters of life and death on this planet and if a crab must boil alive to make it a fraction more tasty or safe to eat. So fucking be it. It is our right.
Friendly reminder that all the creatures put on this Earth are beasts of burden made to serve us humans. Dogs, cats, horses... everything except humans do not have a soul. There is no such thing as animal rights as any pain or pleasure is inconsequential in the eyes of The Lord. Treating animals the same as people is blasphemous and is a growing sign of a great ill in society.
>>22207129This. Man has dominion over nature. It is written. God created animals for us to do whatever we want with.
>>22207111is there actual proof of crabs/lobsters being able to feel pain? or is this another case of feels > reals
>>22209877this man fucks dogs
>>22209873You're barely forming complete sentences bro>>22210001That's not what dominion means. The people actually in charge usually have laws about what you can't do with animals anyway. You just seem desperate to feel special and powerful but the truth is you're probably smelly and retarded.
>>22207111yes. same thing with frogs in a pan, with the temp slowly turned up. esp if they're french frogs.>>22207121no.>>22207123this is a racist commie post.
>>22207156your dog was right. wabbits are pests. and poorman's food.
>>22210549>frogs in a pan, with the temp slowly turned up.That's a myth.
>>22210030nope. crabs are even more primitive than fish AFAIK. plants have been proven to have feels, but that didn't stop the vegans.
>>22210554i dunno. i haven't tried that experiment. yet.
>>22207825I never claimed souls did exist in the first place, the nigger I replied to is the one who made a claim, you nigger. Also the mods deleted my original post because they too are niggers.
>>22210559retard
>>22210552Chill out, Elmer.
>>22207409So the nihilistic atheist doesn't believe in anything but still doesn' want to hurt others, while the religious guy believes in souls and an afterlife and divinity but constantly wants to hurt others
>>22209873>>22209877>>22210001That shit happens in the first chapter of the Bible, and it’s incredibly disingenuous to act like there are implications of *how* man is to have dominion over earth. If you want to risk your soul being a cruel human to the gifts God created, good luck with that.
>>22207123I often wonder if this is true. It might be.But I don't want to simply assume just because it would be convenient if it were true.
>>22207123>>22209873>>22209877>>22210001>>22210846In the Bible, “dominion” over animals is generally presented as authority with responsibility, not as permission for arbitrary cruelty.In Genesis 1:26–28, humanity is given “dominion” over other living creatures. The Hebrew word often translated “dominion” (radah) can describe rule or governance. The important context is that humans are made “in the image of God,” so human rule is ideally supposed to reflect God’s own kind of rule rather than mere exploitation.Several other passages help clarify what that means:Genesis 2:15 says humanity is placed in the garden “to work it and keep it.” That adds a theme of care and preservation alongside authority.Proverbs 12:10 says, “The righteous care for the needs of their animals.” This is probably one of the clearest statements that humane treatment of animals is a moral concern.Deuteronomy 25:4 commands, “Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain.” Even a working animal is not to be deprived of the food immediately around it.Exodus 23:4–5 requires a person to help even an enemy’s lost or overburdened animal.Deuteronomy 22:6–7 restricts taking both a mother bird and her young, apparently placing limits on complete exploitation of an animal population.Exodus 20:10 includes livestock in the Sabbath rest. Animals, as well as human workers, are given relief from continual labor.Jonah 4:11 ends with God expressing concern not only for the people of Nineveh but also for its “many animals.”Jesus says that God notices even the death of a sparrow (Matthew 10:29), suggesting that animals have value to God apart from their usefulness to humans.
>>22207121Crustaceans do not have brains like vertebrates do. Stabbing them in the head paralyzes them, but they're still alive and fully capable of experiencing pain.Ironically, boiling them alive is probably the fastest and most humane way to kill one, since you have to destroy all of their neural ganglia at once, and short of smashing them under a hydraulic press it's hard to beat submerging them in boiling water for that. In any case, any method you use to dispatch a crab or lobster will cause less suffering than it being ripped apart by a rival or slowly digested alive inside the stomach of a fish. Nature is cruel, only man cares.
>>22208622Hamsters are so horrifically inbred that they often just spaz out and die for no reason. A lot of people have tried to come up with justifications for why hamsters sometimes just eat their own offspring when the actual answer is that her own father and mother, even if they were from breeders in completely different states, were more consanguinous than full blood siblings in the wild.
>>22210934>and short of smashing them under a hydraulic pressElectrical stunning tanks are being used more when possible now. That does actually destroy everything at once. I still have some doubts about claims that just tossing them into boiling water is more humane though. I understand the reasoning behind that claim, but cutting the head in half is still destroying the main ganglia considered the closest equivalent to a brain. It clearly shuts down a lot of processes in an instant unlike going whole into boiling water.
>>22207111you put it to sleep in the chiller and then boil then while they are still sleeping
>>22207123Just once I wish american christians would use their faith to make someone's life better instead of just justifying horrible suffering for no reason
>>22210931Thank you, i was too lazy and ignorant to put something like this together.
>>22210934If you're comparing their ends in nature to their ends at the hands of humans, you would also want to consider how they are caught, bound, and kept together in tanks before being killed. Probably not fun times for them.
>>22207111Would you rather die in a hot tub or get stabbed to death?
>>22210592my name is Rick, sona good dog eats them damn wabbits.
>>22211034american christianity, specifically most branches of protestantism, is just a fashion accessory and a way to virtue signal that you're "better" than others. none of them have ever actually read the bible. the pedo president is a good representation of the average christian>so what's your favorite bible verse?>...all of them
Why not kill it and boil it right after? I will never understand this
>>22211239Because of the problem with their nervous system.They have a step ladder system of small ganglions aka mini-brains. Nobody really knows if detroying their head ganglion really kills them or makes them unconscious enough to feel no pain.Hence truly boiling water to quickly kill every ganglion at once which conveniently is also the cooking method.. Probably even better would be an ultra hot steamer, but how many people have such a device? Alternative sth like electro shock which apparently now is the method that is coming.
>>22211034I'm from croatia
>>22211170Depends on the type of stabbingIf it’s stab once through the part of the brain that kills asap, i would prefer that for sure
>>22211329Who asked?
>>22211412your mom ;)
has anyone considered it's immoral to make a person use a method where they have to clean a knife and cutting board, when the other method doesn't?
>>22211496No one is forcing anyone to do anything.
>>22211071it's AI but it's propably true
>>22211329My deepest condolences
>>22207156somebody get this crybaby bitch out of here
>>22211501It's obvious AI and you'll often see a near identical post on /lit/ every other month when some known schizophrenic will make a thread where he seethes about abattoirs. It's all wrong of course, never rely on an atheist's interpretation of Scripture. >>22207141>that everything is the same thing. that sense of separation is completely delusionalHindu nonsense babble. If a self is required for knowledge, and we all don't have selves for we are merely parts of a greater thing, do we not have knowledge?
>>22212635
>>22211224Far be it from me to defend the degeneracies of American protestantism but evangelicals do tend to read the Bible more than other denoms.
>>22207111>a creatureExactly, not a human.
>>22207111>boiling a creature alive is humane apparently
>>22213065>comparing crabs to tomatoes dumbass.
>>22213066try planting a tomato before and after you boil it murderer
>>22213066>tomatoes
>>22213144nta but belladonna is belladonna
>>22213056did someone think crabs were humans?
>>22213332Me thinks OP did
>>22213346what makes you think that's what op thinks?
>>22211329Guess we can get some serbians to explain it to you.
>>22213349because I decided that's what he said
>>22209873Based
>>22213492I'm Russian, I will be able to draw them here, you're gonna have to wait for me to finish in their mouth first.
>>22207111Don't care. Nom nom nom.
>>22207111>humaneImagine being the worst creature on the planet and naming "good thing" after yourself while committing israelesque atrocities daily
>>22207111The biggest problem with human is that they put too much substance towards everything>hurr durr sad tranimal die to be my food and consumption in this plate>nooo my phone is dieding, i have this phone since 7 years ago so many memories that i've spent with this thing...>my old car is about to get sold because i need money *sob* see ya old bud... The moment you realize that thing exist for you to UTILIZE them, then you'll stop becoming a guy who romanticize everything>oh some random cow got killed and turned into my food? Cool, thanks for your sacrifice or something i guess>oh my phone dies, thats suck, now i have to buy a new phone>oh i'm short on money so i'll have to sell my car, probably get myself a cheaper one, thats sucks but okSee? No substance, no romanticizing, no object-worshipping, just seeing things as what they are to you
>>22214202name a single factual atrocity israel performed. twitter memes don't count.
>>22214210https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Massacres_committed_by_Israelhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_war_crimes
>>22207111"Humane" stems from "human" and does not apply to arthropods.
>>22214255rekt
>>22214324Humane is describing your own actions of minimizing pain and suffering in others. It does not describe who it applies to. That's not how the word is defined and it's been used to describe better treatment of animals for centuries.
>>22207123Christians and Muslims have no empathy nor can they think critically for themselves
>>22212685>It's all wrong of coursehow is it wrong
>>22212685>Hindu nonsense babble.Lol just call him a jeet and get it over with.>and we all don't have selves for we are merely parts of a greater thingThey're not claiming we're a complete robotic hivemind. You're probably just afraid of upsetting the animal -> human -> God hierarchy for fear of divine punishment. Even though you probably already view yourself as a god over those nonsensical Hindus but you would never admit that because God wouldn't like it.
>>22207129we know the sun is this huge ball of hydrogen and the moon is a small titanium rich rockbut from our perspective they look exactly the same sizeand if that wasn't bad enough, they even match up on a regular scheduled eclipse cyclejupiter has 75 moons and gets no perfect eclipses, yet we get them first try with just one moon?there is something more going on here
>>22208246are canadians exempt from this logic because they kill things that apparently WANT to die
>>22207111What separates a crab from a cell? Crabs operate at such an incredibly basic level I don't even know how you could consider it "alive."
>>22214208>The biggest problem with humans is that they have care for others We know where you fall on that heatmap meme.
>>22214255>>22214325>>>wikipedia
