if you like espresso and you have the money then yes.

>>22248561
Espresso machines make sense if you drink coffee daily and have the space for one. You only have to clean them once a month or so.
You can get one that mills beans for you which will technically result in superior coffee.

Jerry Seinfeld uses a moka pot so take that as you will.

Bellman CX25/CX25P is sort of middle ground between moka pot and espresso maker but only slightly bigger than your moka pot. It gets pretty close to espresso and can do quite a bit more than a moka pot or an espresso maker. It does well enough on espresso that I no longer think about buying an espresso maker. Took about a month to get good with it but I went cheap and got the version without the pressure gauge, the gauge probably would have made learning faster but I don't think it would be of much use after learning, you can tell the pressure based off of the sound of the water boiling, the boiling decreases as pressure increases. Going by ear seems preferable to me than staring a gauge, I can focus on other things while I wait for the pressure to build.

Also, if you go this way just ignore their suggestion of low heat, high heat until you reach pressure then turn it down to maintain the pressure. This is the main thing to learn, what pressure for your grind/coffee and how much to turn the stove down to just maintain that pressure. Well, also need to learn how to work the valve but that is a bit easier, most issues there are actually from issues with pressure.

>>22248619
tl dr?

>>22248621
Bellman CX25 or CX25P.

>>22248631
kthxbye

Whatever you are using just make sure it's not aluminium

>>22248561
Whether an espresso machine is worth it hinges on whether or not you specifically feel your moka pot is fine. Nobody here is going to be using it, just you.
>espresso machines are expensive, bulky, tome consuming to maintain
It sounds like you yourself don't think it's worth it but again that's up to you. Questions to ask yourself:
>Would this purchase set you back a great deal or do you have the disposable income?
>Do you drink coffee daily, and are yo satisfied with your current setup(you said yes in OP).
>Do you have trouble or a dislike of maintaining things around the house and kitchen that require similar commitments?
>Do you have the space for it that it won't look like an albatross?

>>22248693
Why? For the love of god, tell me.

why not get a portafilter like the delonghi ecm685
small, cheap, can use ese pads til your timemore grinder from china arrives
if you like it throw everything in the trashcan and spend thousands on dollar on your new hobby like the other faggot retards

>>22248561
>So yeah, is it even worth switching to an espresso machine
From a purely practical perspective no. Especially given that you're happy with yours.
If you actually get an espresso machine that is worth a damn and makes good stuff, it actually gets quite expensive quickly. You also need better beans to go with that or it'll extract more unpleasant flavors than e.g. a moka does. Once you look at depreciation etc, you'll quickly realize that you can get coffee to go from a cafe for years until you break even.

That doesn't mean don't get one, just be realistic about it. I have one and love it, but I'll not pretend it was a rational decision.

>>22248589
Jerry Seinfeld does not drink coffee.

>>22248561
The moka pot is fine. The extra cost and space that an espresso machine takes is just not worth it. A moka port can give you decent coffee for cheap and does not take any space at all.
The value proposition is simply in favor of moka pots

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>>22248561
If you're not specifically wanting to make Espresso at home, spare yourself from throwing money at these machines.

Wife and i bought a 3 cup size original brand Bialetti like three years ago or so.
It was absolutely worth it.

The only thing i added was a silicone ring since the original rubber one slowly fell apart after 10 month of daily use or so.
The silicone one (which i bought six of them) were pretty cheap. The silicone ones last literally forever.
I also modified the inner funnel by flattening the three indents that kept the round filter aluminium sheet in position.
You have no idea how much muck got collected in there after just one month of daily usage.
I am now able to clean the Moka Pot completely, including the inside of the funnel.
Amazing mod.

>>22248561
Do you use it every day? What’s your budget and how much space do you have for it? I just have a machine that uses original line nespresso capsules and enjoy it, but I’m in no way a coffee connoisseur

Moka pot coffee is nothing like espresso.

>>22249976
Why would you say something so controversial?

>>22248917
The aluminium brews superior coffee and she wants you to drink inferior steel-brewed coffee.

>>22249264
>you'll quickly realize that you can get coffee to go from a cafe for years until you break even
You'll just as quickly realize that you can brew better coffee than any cafe in the comfort of your own home.

>>22250196
>living in a shithole
it's where shit belongs

>>22250201
>can't brew a half-decent coffee
Embarrassing.

>>22250196
>You'll just as quickly realize that you can brew better coffee than any cafe in the comfort of your own home.
You must have really bad options near where you live then.
Of course e.g. trainstation coffee is vile, but for the same price I can go to my local cafe, and their machine+grinder combo costs a few thousand bucks, like 5-15k or so depending on which one. Buying that simply doesn't make sense unless you have a lot of throughput.
The one area where you can btfo these cafes is beans, a lot of them don't have quite as good beans for some reason as from a local roaster.
The only areas where you can compete is if you make coffee that can be ground coarser (pourover/immersion), there cheaper machines can do really well and it makes sense in a home setting. But for espresso specifically? It's just not worth it unless you're an enthusiast.

The question was specifically about espresso and the answer for espresso is that no you can't compete unless you are willing to pay a shitton of money. Skill can make up for a cheaper machine, but only so much, it doesn't turn a 500$ one into a 5000$ one. Especially if you find a cafe that uses good beans, then it's game over.
For other coffees? Sure, you definitely can. But that wasn't what OP asked.
>>22250207
You replied to a different anon than me, but "half-decent coffee" isn't enough to compete with local cafes unless you're unlucky with your selection where you live. Local cafes will make good coffee for reasonable prices, or great coffee for a bit of a premium, hence why the other anon assumed you were in a shithole if that were your only options.

>>22248561
I live in this mixed coffee family where everyone has their own taste. Dad likes instant coffee, mom likes Turkish, brother & sister-in-law like espresso from the machine and I like the moka lot coffee. Every single one has their own strength and weakness. Moka pot is much easier to clean, tastes great, but you can only make one mig of coffee with it. A coffee pot can be used to boil at least enough water for 2 whole mugs, maybe even 3 or 4 depending on how big it is.

>>22250282
>for the same price I can go to my local cafe, and their machine+grinder combo costs a few thousand bucks
Doesn't matter if their running commodity beans, poorly dialed in, and brewed by someone who doesn't really know what they're doing and is just trying to pump out drinks as fast as possible to meet demand.

>don't have quite as good beans for some reason
Because it's cheaper and most of their clientele couldn't care less anyways.

>pourover/immersion
>machines
confirmed for clueless

>unless you're an enthusiast
What do you think we're talking about, sweaty?

>>22252097
Go forth my child and waste thine money.
It does not matter to me.

>>22252709
NTA, you're a moron though.

>>22248561
Moka pot makes great coffee, but it doesn't make espresso. Love my moka, it's what I use at home. In cafes that know what they're doing I order espresso.

>>22252097
>if their running commodity beans, poorly dialed in, and brewed by someone who doesn't really know what they're doing and is just trying to pump out drinks as fast as possible to meet demand.

Based fecaloid cannot fathom not living in a shithole with fellow fecal countrymen.

You're exactly where you're supposed to be.

>>22252905
Expertly roasted, dialed-in, and brewed specialty coffee will cost more in labour than raw materials UNLESS you're living in the third world.
You've had it backwards the whole time, retard-kun.

>>22254625
>worries about monnies

Based brokie fecaloid cannot fathom people having disposable income and willing to pay for living standards and quality of life.

Everything is unfolding perfectly for your soul to have the precise experience it has always wanted.

>>22254677
We're discussing the value proposition of grinding and brewing your own espresso at home or visiting a cafe daily. Try to keep up.

>>22254701
$100 Femobook a2 and an $89 Flair Neo Flex will destroy most cafes doing SOE.

>>22254725
how are you steaming milk?

>>22254741
>SOE
>steaming milk
So you're arguing about milk drinks, not actual espresso.

>>22254745
majority of the drinks cafes pump out are milky

>>22254755
Yeah. Thats why they use shit tier blends instead of good single origin light roast. Also why its easy to destroy most cafes. Try to keep up.

>>22254761
you should still possess the capability

>>22254701
>cannot fathom how much people are willing to pay not live among fecal matter.

Based fecaloid thinking we're discussing.

>>22254773
$20 ikea french press and a microwave. Or a $60/$100 Dreo Baristamaker. You've got alot of room to play when the bar is
>like 5-15k or so depending on which one

>>22254780
true

>>22248619
Damn I didn't know about this machine, you're about to make me spend 200€, that's exactly the compromise I was looking for. Looks more convenient than a Moka too

>>22254794
>more convenient than a Moka
It's really not.

Still cool though.

>>22254794
If you want a "moka" that actually makes espresso, check out the 9barista.

>>22254800
Moka is a guessing game that takes 10 minutes to brew and I kept getting grounds in my coffee

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>>22254794
It is only as convenient as moka if you leave the valve open from start to finish, and then you end up with something moka like, the rest of the time it is more involved and less convenient. Sometimes I make french press just because I don't want to deal with the Bellman, in someways it is a pain and was especially a pain during the first couple week when I was learning. Took about a month to get good with it and to the point I almost always get the sort of coffee I was aiming for.

Overall it is more convenient than a proper espresso maker, maintenance and cleaning is quick and easy, but when it comes to making the coffee it is one of the least convenient methods I have used. Most of the time it justifies its inconvenience and hands down is the most versatile coffee maker I have used.