What's the deal with gluten? Is it toxic or not?The story I was told is that there are celiacs, whose immune system incorrectly reacts to gluten. But then there are non-celiacs who have an "intolerance". These people don't have an immune "disorder", they are reacting to gluten like it is toxic. So is it toxic? If gluten is toxic then why is so much of our food based on bread?
>>22281202It's just protein. Some people react poorly to almost any protein, but that doesn't make all proteins toxic. If you have digestive issues then it's possibly worth considering if gluten is a cause. If you don't have any issues when eating gluten then it's probably not worth worrying about. And yes it's true that there is celiac disease which is more like a true allergy and then some people who might only be intolerant and experience some digestive issues from it if they can't break it down well. The intolerance might just have to do with how well your body can break down proteins.
>If gluten is toxic then why is so much of our food based on bread?Because the societal benefits of agriculture far outweighed the fact that the food from agriculture is less nutritious.
>>22281202God your a pussy
>>22281202No. People just like to blame their problems on something simple and convenient to address.
>>22281207But is that just living long enough to procreate while the food harms their stomach long term
>>22281202Bodies are just weird, man. I have an auto-immune disease that when it flares up I have allergy like symptoms from most foods. Before they figured it out, I had gotten down to 100lbs and was eating mostly pork and bone brothSymptoms started with "gluten intolerance" though. They tested for celiac, it was negative, but any time I ate it my mouth and face would itch, I'd get a migraine, and my joints would swell.Years later, dairy caused the same reactions. Then soy, nuts (all the stuff they make alternative dairy with), corn, rice, onions, garlic, etc etcThe list went on until I tried the AIP, which still didn't workAnywayNow I take a thyroid hormone and just have to watch my iodine intake. I can eat whatever and it's greatExcept now I'm a little fat
>>22281235Who asked?
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For me its Glueleven.
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>>22281202>What's the deal with gluten? Is it toxic or not?no unless you have specific doctor diagnosed conditions it is completely harmless and has been a foundation food for thousands of years.
It's all made up. People have mental illness and doctors tell them they have an allergy.
>>22281711i'm sure you did a lot of research to come to this conclusion
Theres non-celiac wheat protein sensitivity thas recognized widely todaybut doctors will say "eat stuff you feel like eating" if its something that doesnt show in a blood test
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>>22281235Back in the day people like you who are obviously a failing and unsuccessful organism would die out and the gene pool would be commensurately stronger. But now people like you are being kept alive by the wonders of modern medicine. And breeding would disperse your faulty genes even further.Do you ever think about that?
>>22281735there's like a 50% chance you wouldn't have survived childhood too. people who try to make this a point of discussion just end up seeming desperate to feel like they're better than someone else.
>>22281739>No I don't think about itOk then
>>22281742>Ok then
>>22281202*coeliacI'm just trying to help you out, trying to stop you from spelling words like a fucking child.
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>>22281202GMO wheat and the associated pesticides, that are permitted in the US, are responsible for the Gluten "intolerance".Many anecdotes about Americans vacationing in Italy, and having ZERO issues with pastas, breads, pizza Most of the EU limits or bans Glyphosate and the other poisons.
>>22281687OP did dumbass.
>>22283245GMO wheat is currently not grown in any significant scale in the US; there is one strain (HB4) that was approved by the FDA in 2024, but has only been grown in a few small test plots. And obviously lots of people in the US were having gluten related issues prior to 2024, when it would have been down right impossible for them to eat GMO wheat.
A lot of people who react to bread aren't reacting to the gluten. Wheat also contains fructans, which can cause gas pain and bloating for anyone sensitive (see low FODMAP diet).The gluten part is fine for me but I still limit bread. Sourdough can be better because the process breaks down the fructose
>>22283488>GMO wheat is currently not grown in any significant scale in the USYeah, you're actually correct about that.I'm going back to research.One would think that non-celiac gluten sensitivity (NCGS) would have been easier to study, given the different control groups in the US and Italy, but I suppose that $$$ is blocking the science here...
>>22283488Now explain away all the Glyphosate.
>>22281202I don't know, but too much bread makes me tired.
Wheat is good. Dunno about whatever pesticides / herbicides they spray on it that doesn't get washed off during processing.
>>22281735back in the day bakeries fermented their dough overnight
>>22281202>Is it toxic or not?It's not. It was the seed oil panic of its day.
>>22281202Celiac Disease is definitely real. My grandfather had it his whole life and it almost killed him as a small child, and this was back before they knew very much about how to treat it. Like 1930s, 1940s. I think people who claim to have it now just want a label and attention and maybe a very small percentage of people with the "diagnosis" actually have it. It sucks for the people who really do deal with it, but at the very least, they've got a lot of accommodations in the grocery store now.It's interesting, in my grandpa's case, it had remission periods where he wouldn't have trouble with eating gluten for months at a time, but it would flare back up again and he'd have to change his diet again. I don't know how common that is or if that's even real. It could have just been good results from avoiding gluten.This man was the least attention-seeking person I've ever known in my life, and he never made a big deal of his condition. He never asked anyone for accommodations, but my grandma would make sure he got fed. I can remember asking her why grandpa was eating rice instead of spaghetti with sauce or why his clam chowder was red (manhattan style, no flour) at least 20 years before I ever saw anything labeled gluten-free.
>>22281735I'm infertile as well so don't worry B)Most people with my disease would easily live long enough to procreate, how else do you think it got passed down? It didn't start killing me until I was around 35 and it's also extremely common. I bet I would've survived miserabley for many more years anyway.It was "solved" in like 60s or 70s but it still takes time to diagnose, it's not a simple blood test. Especially in the early years. Symptoms can be pretty diverse too Hashimotos if anyone cares to look into it>>22281739Gottem>>22283608That probably helps with gas issues but nothing serious>>22283624There's a lot more visibility into everyone's fucking life now is part of the issue imo. Also, there is more clarity about what can cause bowl discomfort.
>>22283624I have celiac disease and similar experiences. Developed really bad malnutrition and stopped digesting anything properly because of it for a while.>it had remission periods where he wouldn't have trouble with eating gluten for months at a time, but it would flare back up againThis seemed to happen to me because when my symptoms flared I'd be sick and spend time not eating much which would give time for symptoms to go down, and during that time I'd actually replenish electrolytes and stuff. But then I'd start eating wheat again and eventually get sick all over again.
>>22281739Something like ~50% of children don't survive childhood in modern western society? Did you mix up medieval natal deaths?
>>22283466About some random nobody's life story?
>>22283651No, I meant without modern medicine and sanitation there's a good chance anyone would've died before reaching adulthood. So anyone who tries to make arguments about who is worthy of being alive or not by picking and choosing what is considered acceptable is just making an argument that has a good chance of applying against themselves too.
