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Giant naked kaworu <3
Nagi-sad
>>4024569
>https://x.com/mataaeruyoQ3/status/2030328123762561031?s=20Does anyone know what this person is referring to about there apparently being an audio drama at the recent Eva fest where Mari and Kaworu talk about the events of rebuild?
>>4024583>4.0 has some frustrating qualities, but don't think I can completely dismiss it. Love/hate feelings.I guess it’s good that you got something out of it but I have already accepted that I will always hate what the rebuilds did to Eva. It’s been 5 years and my opinion hasn’t moved an inch. It goes was beyond Kaworu as well, almost every character got butchered in some major way for the sake of the meta. I honestly don’t know what I was expecting looking back because I don’t think it’s possible to create a better ending for this franchise than EoE. I think the thing that bothered me the most about 3.0+1.0 was the insistence on trying to make a “happy” ending both in theme and content and it just completely falls flat. EoE is inspirational because it represents hope in the depths of despair. 3.0+1.0 completely fails as a parallel to EoE in my opinion because Shinji’s arc is over in the first half of the movie and the second half is Anno creating arbitrary reasons why Shinji should needs to say goodbye to all of his friends. It’s crazy that a series that was originally about the hedgehog’s dilemma and how connecting with others is worth it in spite of the pain decided to make it so that Shinji just gives up on being a part of his friends lives because there’s some friction there. It wouldn’t be as bad if the new ending didn’t insist on showing them all living in a new world where everyone is human and normal, that removes like 80% of the problems Shinji was having with them already. I know it’s all meta narrative stuff about letting go of Eva but it’s so divorced from what these characters originally were.
>>4024592Whoops meant for >>4024580
>>4024593Yeah man I'm just here for the cute worus
>>4024591>Mari is the magic catalyst for it allWhen you think about it Mari in Rebuild is kind of just Kaworu from NGE if he was a girl and also not an angel. She shows up and fixes all of Shinji’s problems basically immediately with no downsides and that’s that.
'luv me 'waru'luv me 'inji
>>4024592Honestly, this is small minded.
>>4024598Kaworu doesn't fix all of Shinji's problems, and certainly not without downsides. He is a momentary respite allowing Shinji to experience the unconditional love that he had never known. This is an important step in him accepting that he is worthy of love, but it doesn't automatically fix him. Especially since it is coupled with the trauma of having Kaworu and his love ripped away from him. By his own hand, no less.
>>4024609It’s not. These movies are complete ass.
>>4024614Sure. Yea. if you view them as something that's supposed to validate your desire for escapism, and mistaken beliefs that this cartoon show about growing up and facing life is supposed to be comfortable.
>>4024618Notice how Rebuild defenders never talk about the plot, the writing, the characters, the animation quality, etc. when defending these films. The only thing these films have going for them is the meta narrative, and that was already done far better by NGE and EoE.>Mistaken beliefs that this cartoon show about growing up and facing life is supposed to be comfortable.Rebuild literally exists because people were too uncomfortable with the ending of the show and EoE and wanted more. If EoE was less dark and ended in a more traditionally happy way I am almost certain the rebuilds would not have existed, at least in this form. That’s why rebuilds is called “Thrice Upon A Time” because audiences (and evidently Anno himself) were not comfortable with episode 26 or EoE being the only endings to the series. But Rebuild’s ending could not be less challenging. Anno literally puts these characters in a perfect, normal reality and tells people to go outside and live their lives. Which was fundamentally the same point as episode 26 and EoE, but it was done in a much more artistically interesting way back then. You will never convince me that salaryman Shinji holds a candle to the beach scene of Asuka and Shinji still trying to make a connection in the destroyed world.
>>4024622>I'm not sure what you expectedI didn't want them to just rehash the original. But I also didn't want whatever the rebuilds ended up becoming.>pulled away from Eva by his wife into the real worldComments like this have never made sense to me. Not when talking about Anno. There's the obvious thing that everyone brings up of working on the rebuilds for decades being the opposite of moving on. But on top of that is the attempt to contrast Eva with real life. For Anno, they were one in the same. That was his job. That was the thing that got him out of bed in the morning to go out and interact with people. That was the thing that made him friends. And it was how he was able to meet his wife.For Anno, Eva was the opposite of escapism. His job as an anime director was the heavy burden he was barely able to bear that he wanted to run away from, like Shinji being forced to pilot an Eva. Which just makes the argument that the rebuilds indulge in escapism rather than oppose it even stronger.
Guys what's your favorite Evangelion? I like the purple and green one.
>>4024624>Notice how Rebuild defenders never talk about the plot, the writing, the characters, the animation quality, etc. when defending these films.Oh ok you want to talk about that instead of complaining about how it's "NOT TRVE EVA"?I don't like Rebuild 1.0 because it's mostly a straight re-creation of the first 5 episodes. Seems like it was a testbed for new animation techniques. It does look good, but it's boring as it's mostly what I've seen before in the show. 2.0 is a genuinely good movie. It's Eva at its most "conventional Hollywood", its most "Shonen action movie", but it's genuinely fun and watchable. 3.0 is maybe one of the best things Anno and co. have done. It has some lines of dialogue and moments that seem like a very raw and honest expression of Anno's regrets about making Eva at all, and the whole movie has this sense like it doesn't want to be made and seen. I know people seem not to like 3.0, but this sense of "not wanting to be here" "not wanting to be doing this that pervades the movie" is very relatable to me and cathartic to watch. Just as a work of art it feels intimate and refreshing to see a reflection on that particular kind of pain. At this point too, you can't deny that these movies look good. Yes, it uses CGI and digital animation, and I know some people don't like that, but 3.0 especially is clean and abstract. A "pure cinema" movie oriented towards silence and non-verbal montage. It's an art movie and it's not for everybody, but it's maybe more Eva than most of the rest of Eva. 4.0 looks good, especially the first half, even if I hate it.
>>4024643>Oh ok you want to talk about that instead of complaining about how it's "NOT TRVE EVA"?That wasn’t me, but these are not separate concepts. The reason the original Eva delivers its message so well is because it’s fundamentally sound on so many levels (great writing, great characters, amazing animation and direction, etc). When these things became awful in rebuild, the spirit of the original show was lost because rebuild does not treat anything with the level of nuance and care the original had.>It does look good>2.0 is a genuinely good movie>you can't deny that these movies look good>4.0 looks goodNotice how the highest praise you can offer these movies is that they look “good”. NGE and EoE had some of the most gorgeous cel animation ever put to paper. Compare Asuka vs the MPEs from EoE to the CGI monstrosity of a fight we got in 3.0+1.0. Compare the art direction of the final shot of Asuka and Shinji on the beach vs the final shot of 3.0+1.0. It’s not even in the same stratosphere.
>>4024630I like this one
>>4024649>Notice how the highest praise you can offer these movies is that they look “good”.Anon, /cm/ isn't the place for a frame by frame analysis of the visuals of these movies, or an argument about the merits of cel animation vs. digital, the use of CGII'm also usually one of the first in any conversation to be on the side of "Soul" in the "Soul vs. Soulless" debates, and I would agree that the rebuilds would come across as a completely soulless project if it were meant to replace NGE, instead of functioning as a sequel...But to completely deny that there is any beauty in the artistry of the rebuilds is just in bad taste. As much as I dislike 4.0, the first half especially has some achingly gorgeous visuals, and I'd find anyone suspect who cannot feel the intent behind it.
>>4024655>But to completely deny that there is any beauty in the artistry of the rebuilds is just in bad taste.I don’t care. The bad far outweighs the good in these movies and I’m done talking about them. I don’t know why you are so insistent on justifying Anno’s meta narrative when it’s connected to such a shitty product.
>>4024671>I don’t care.That much is clear.>I don’t know why you are so insistent on justifying Anno’s meta narrative when it’s connected to such a shitty product.Sometimes the intent of a work of art is more important than its superficial qualities. If I'm right to interpret the intent of the rebuilds to be Anno saying "I'm in a better place. I hope you can be too." then they were worth making. I do love the hand painted backgrounds and cel animation of the original series and EoE, but I'm not so beholden to them that I'm offended because the director of the series felt he had more to say.
>>4024672I think you just have bad taste.
>>4024673You too
>>4024595this guy gets it
Lots of butthurt Japanese eva fans crying on twitter about copyright.There must be a lot of Japanese eva fans who are glad it leaked but know not to say it out loud.
>>4024595I'm here for shinger
High school
>>4025200see, i would have accepted shinji-kun salaryman ending if it had been like this
Seeing Kaworu-kun in his gym clothes gets Shinji flustered
>>4025545For the first time? Damn i envy you. Anyway i think hating Shinji is a meme, i love him with all his flaws and want to see him heal.
>>4025548I don't get it, everytime i rewatch eva i just feel very paternal over him.
Anon, you don't have to delete your posts. You're allowed to not like him.
>>4025548Post worus
Oh wait I see you already are.
I went back to some older threads to look for some old art and my god we really do just loop the same arguments over and over again huh. Nothing ever changesAlso I'd completely forgotten that the book of life bullshit was something from the actual movies and not some shit I'd made up for my fanfic, what the fuck
>>4025880I've felt like my life has been on repeat since 2020. Optimistically, I'd like to think this is some kind of bardo/life review/purgatory that's about to change for the better.Pessimistically, I'm worried life may have become boring.
>>4025884>Pessimistically, I'm worried life may have become boring.Yeah... perhaps it's time to make our own life, with hookers and blackjack.or just laugh at pregworu
>>4025885I'm on the side of hookers and blackjack.
>>4025886ok but we can have a little bit of pregnant woru too, as a treat
>>4025718Lol
>>4025880To be fair to me I stopped thinking about the Eva rebuilds for years after the initial shit storm of 3.0+1.0’s release. But after the Asuka short dropped I was unfortunately reminded of their existence and felt like airing out my complaints again. I can’t believe that movie is still viewed favorably by so many people online
>>4025894I say you're welcome to try, but I don't know about angels :o
>>4025904it's not like the flaws of the movie have changed in that time either
>>4025914If I had the time and energy I would make an 8 hour long “evangelion rebuilds are bad and here’s why” video to try to change the public opinion myself. I also feel like the film’s meta narrative of moving on from Eva (which is one of the only things people seem to praise about it) is going to get weaker over time as Khara continues to put out more stuff like this Yoko Taro Eva series
>>4025917Feel free to dump everything you think and feel about the Rebuilds out here... I haven't actually watched them myself (I probably should lol, but I do not feel that they will spark any joy in me, except for maybe the original gay dub of 3.0) but I find the discussion of them fascinating.
>>4025917>I also feel like the film’s meta narrative of moving on from Eva (which is one of the only things people seem to praise about it) is going to get weaker over time as Khara continues to put out more stuff like this Yoko Taro Eva seriesWell. We'll have to wait and see what happens with the Yoko Taro series. If it's an unoriginal project, full of nostalgia callbacks, references to previous characters, and is overall stuck in the past, I'll agree with you. Idk if Eva would survive its own GQuuuuuuX.If it does something new, does it well, and has something intelligent to say I don't think I'd be able to complain. Anno may have moved on from EVA, and that was a subtext of the rebuilds, but obviously the fans haven't. "Stop being an otaku and touch grass" was probably a worthwhile message in the 90's, and a worthwhile message for Anno himself, but the Evangelion show and EoE outlived its target audience, reaching generations it wasn't really meant to reach, who were probably far removed from the intended audience. So if as Eva sticks around it intelligently addresses that fact then it could be worthwhile. Also you're not convincing anyone with an 8 hour long youtube rant. Persuasion works in subtler ways.
>>4025922No. This isn't the place for it. This is /cm/.
>>4025922>the original gay dub of 3.0...pretty sure you mean the original dub of the TV show, which was un-gayed in the Netflix version.
>>4025928No anon means the original gay 3.0 dub. 3.0 was originally shown with a different dub years ago at a convention (don’t remember which), but it was super gay and the audience went nuts watching it. The Khara staff in the audience apparently didn’t like that and made them do a re-dub. From what I remember
>>4025929Unfortunate
>>4025922I will probably never make the video, it would require too much research and I don’t speak Japanese.>I haven't actually watched them myself (I probably should lolI genuinely recommend not watching them at all. Keep your memory of NGE + EoE untarnished.>>4025926The thing that was so frustrating about the meta narrative in 3.0+1.0 was that Anno had to create arbitrary reasons for why Shinji needed to say goodbye to his friends (especially Kaworu). It’s still so ridiculous to me that he decided to make the ending be set in a normal, regular world with angels/Evas/NERV, an idea that was literally mocked at the end of NGE. It also seriously undermines Shinji’s choice to return to the world he destroyed in EoE, I guess he just hasn’t discovered the magic button that fixes reality yet.
>>4025934>I genuinely recommend not watching them at all.Man, I gotta assert disagreement with you3.0 has its merits and is watchable as a standalone. >The thing that was so frustrating about the meta narrative in 3.0+1.0 was that Anno had to create arbitrary reasons for why Shinji needed to say goodbye to his friends>It’s still so ridiculous to me that he decided to make the ending be set in a normal, regular world with(out?) angels/Evas/NERV, an idea that was literally mocked at the end of NGE. And this kind of thing makes it difficult for me to take you seriously at all. In the original show and EoE, I took Shinji choosing to live/choosing to accept his life as an Eva pilot as METAPHOR for choosing to accept real life. Evas don't exist, angels don't exist, no one is a teenage mecha pilot employed by a secret organization to defend their country from extraterrestrials, but Eva's target audience did/do have depression and struggles similar to what Shinji has in the show. To say you're missing the forest for the trees might be the apt expression.
>>4025934>I will probably never make the video, it would require too much research and I don’t speak Japanese.do it anyway it'll be fun>I genuinely recommend not watching them at all. Keep your memory of NGE + EoE untarnished.But I love trainwrecks like this... they're so fascinating... besides, I'll need proper reference for my timeloops fanfic lmao. Though trying to write it based entirely on external discussion might also be entertaining.
>>4025922I think they're garbage. But they're still interesting to watch as an analysis of Anno and how he and his perspective has changed over the years and how it has affected his work.
I'd forgotten about it, but the 3.0 piano sequence overtly spells out the subtext of the rebuilds. They're talking about practicing piano. They're also talking about synchronizing for piloting Eva 13. It's also sub-textually about the issue of eternal recurrence, and a recognition that they're in a time loop/how to break the time loop.And it's also all but explicitly about Anno wanting to do EVA over in a way he's happier with. I don't think he necessarily succeeded, given what he says about 3.0 and 4.0, but 3.0 has this and other scenes that can be read as very frank meta comment.
>>4025951>Shinji choosing to live/choosing to accept his life as an Eva pilot as METAPHOR for choosing to accept real lifeI never said it wasn’t. The final scene of him and Asuka returning to the ruined Earth emphasizes the difficulty of that choice. Anno was suicidal while making EoE and that scene was perfectly representative of how hard it can be to gain the will to live again after you feel like you’ve ruined everything. But the setting is also grounded in the literal events that occurred earlier in the film, which makes it feel meaningful. In 3.0+1.0 Shinji constructs a brand new, ordinary world out of nowhere. It’s completely ungrounded in the rest of the story and only exists for the sake of the meta narrative.
>>4025978>It’s completely ungrounded in the rest of the story and only exists for the sake of the meta narrative.If the series is really about overcoming depression and uses the trappings of a mecha anime to explore that, I'm just not sure why I'm supposed to care about it not sticking to its fantasy premises in favor of its themes. If this were any other mecha series I'd probably feel differently, but the 4th wall is a thin and at some points non-existent barrier in Eva. I can't relate to your problems. Sorry.
>>4025845They did another version
Karaoke boys...
>>4027039Cute
qworu crying because he got bit by a silly bug and he thinks he's going to fucking die before he can meet shinji is very cute
>>4027075That's cute.
>>4027141cute>Desktop Army Shinji-kun is cute>(Shinji-kun is always cute)>Gently spreading out>A smooth, rounded back of the head>Bangs of just the right length>A troubled expression created by the exquisite angle of the eyebrows>An uneasy yet determined gaze>A tiny, elegant little mouth>The balance between small shoulders and large forearms and hands! Divine.>The S-curve from the waist to the butt... amazing...>The butt is sooooo pretty and cute!!! I could stare at it forever.>Matte texture>The range of motion in the legs is also wonderful>Tiny feet, cute, the best>"Why don't you just keep messing with that then?">"Eh— are you jealous?">"Not really...">"It's cute though.">"Wait... where are you touching? Ah,">"Wait, Nagi-...">(kiss, kiss) <3
>>4027075Can’t believe 3.0+1.0 finally gave us canon friendship between Kaji and Kaworu and then showed them for all of 30 seconds together (half of which was reused footage from 2.0). They have similarities as far back as episode 24 after Kaworu’s death where Misato tells Shinji that only those who want to live will survives. Along with comforting Shinji she’s also kind of justifying Kaji’s death to herself in that moment. It would have been really cool to see more Kajiworu interactions on screen. But unfortunately these movies were not planned out at all.
>>4027218>Desktop Army Shinji-kun is cuteNow I'm seriously considering if I should buy it
Don't care about the series at all. I want to perform extremely comforting and homosexual acts on Shinji, simple as.
>>4027746I think you're in good company
>>4027746I care about the series (well only NGE+EOE desu) and i want to do unspeakable things to Shinji.
>>4027781sexo
>>4028423>3 foids 2 dudesmight as well post Asuka with giant tits anon?
>>4028427Shinji is the focus
shingo
>>4028427
>>4028768The cutest!
>>4028845Lewd
shinji feet
>>4029094>To Shinji-kun <3>Wait for me, because I’m going to make you happy <3>Look at this!! (pointing to crotch)>[(Shinji) Uh... (bewildered)]
high school au>※ 30 minutes before the meeting time>"S-sorry I'm late... I kept you waiting, didn't I?">"No, you're right on time, so it's okay. Shall we go?"
>>4029326Literally me
Do men actually like bishounens like kaworu or is it just fujos and/or pooners
>>4029345As a homo i do like Kaworu but i like Shinji way more.
>>4029345>>4029349I (homo) think Kaworu is the cuter one.Though I guess it comes down to who's drawing him and how.
>>4029376I agree that Kaworu is conventionally cuter i simply prefer Shinji.>I guess it comes down to who's drawing him and howI straight up just prefer Shinji both in official material and most fanart, i know I'm probably in the minority on that but it's fine.
I want to be Kaworu. I want to be inside Shinji.
>>4029485Based
>>4029128cute <3
Ganbare, Shinji-kun!
"Enoshima date">>4029646You can do it!!!
>>4024579Mari got something? They hate Rei.
What Eva spinoffs would make good Kaworu looping timelines? I know there was a video a while back that went over all the timelines, was that any good?
>>4029948Is the train big or are they just tiny?
Do you think Yoko Taro EVA will be gayer? He made Emil who's canonically gay among other homo elements in his stories so i think there's a decent chance.
>>4029986Yoko Taro is honestly a great pick to do Eva, and I think it'll be at least as gay as Eva.
>>4029986>>4029992I've never played his stuff but I know people love him and I like his cool helmet. Happy to hear he has included some gay stuff before.Well, regardless, I'll be looking forward to the new eva, gay stuff or not.
Captioned ANIMA Evangelion
>>4030031Yeah, the protagonist of Nier replicant used to be a gay for pay prostitute too.
>>4030041Never thought about the possibility of Shinji and Kaworu getting Devilman crybaby esque re-designs.
