>>153777597
He was evil in a banal sense even before Noir did his thing.

>>153777654
idk
A-Train was an huge idiot
Maeve was cinic and gave zero fuck. might even be suicidal
Jack was a complete asshole, the most evil of all of them
The Deep... was just there, i dont remember him lol think he wasnt so bad
And Homelander was there, facing the cameras facing everything. He knew how not act like an idiot, not because of being manipulative cold evil cunt, but simply because of decenc

so yeah
I think he was trouble and somehow misunderstood. like a barking dog
he did go apeshit at the end, yeah, but that was more of a tantrum than anything else. he calmed down, kinda saw his errors, and died fighting the cunt that ruined his life and everything he believed

>>153777858
>The Deep... was just there, i dont remember him lol think he wasnt so bad
Comic Deep was just chilling, he didn't really seem to care that much about all the bullshit the rest of the 7 got up to.

>>153777858
>And Homelander was there, facing the cameras facing everything. He knew how not act like an idiot, not because of being manipulative cold evil cunt, but simply because of decenc
He still casting couched whatsherface, That was evil, albeit in a small, petty way.

>>153777597
"Really" evil is the operative term, as much as people want to hold him to what he was willing to do under delusion, you can see his expression here is genuine shock and revulsion, he even outwardly clarifies disgust and fury at what he was framed and forced into.

I won't go as far as to call him a good person, but I think you can at least take from this that he would have done in actually malicious psychos like Black Noir if he was savvy earlier.

>>153777597
He tries to act overtly evil but finds himself struggling to keep it up.

He was evil in the sense that he was weak and stupid enough to allow himself to be gaslit into doing evil shit. At the deepest core of his soul he was an innately good person, and the point of him as a character is to show how someone with his coddled background is not going to have the mental or emotional tools to stay true to their good nature when evil forces seek to manipulate them.

>>153778461
>>153777858
a train and homelander raped starlight. It was extortion or she lost the job.

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>>153777858
>but simply because of decenc
>At the deepest core of his soul he was an innately good person
Lol lmao did you read the fucking story or did you watch some summary.
Homelander WAS evil, he might not have been a baby eater if Noire didn't mind fuck him but he WAS the kind of guy to extort sex out of Starlight. Him not acting like a cockhead in public isn't something to praise it's the bare minimum a person does to exist in a society
At his core he's a cruel and sadistic asshole, just not a violent one outside of "superheroing". I don't know what the fuck kind of damage you have to see shit like pic related and think that's a fundamentally good person

>>153783575
why he looks more muscular and huge in the comics

Homie is a brutalized civilian .

>>153783575
Noire wasn't the only force of corruption in his life, just the most recent and most potent one. Homelander's upbringing as a spoiled celebrity with no real father figure and no consequences for bad behavior as long as it wasn't in public messed him up from an early age. Same with all the other heroes to a lesser extent, it's why pretty much every hero in the comic is a spoiled sociopath with no sense of boundaries by the time they reach adulthood. He does have a the seed of goodness and a conscience deep inside him, it just never had a chance to grow because the formative experiences he went through would have curdled anyone's moral center.

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>>153777597
People like to shit on The Boys comic, but I always liked Homelander as the "Superman but evil" trope because he's not actually evil in the story. He's a dick and a flawed character, but his intentions are never to be outright evil or malicious. At worst, he's callous, and the pressures of being the "perfect" hero lead him to stumble. I like that everything just keeps compounding and weighing him down until he eventually snaps.

>>153785375
You're giving these characters way to much grace and your definition of evil is way too narrow. You can absolutely be an evil prick without being a baby eater
>>153785467
>but his intentions are never to be outright evil or malicious
Check out this pic >>153783575
that's pretty fucking malicious

>>153785467
he mouthrapes a young girl who wants to change the world for the better and also dropped a family from the sky, hes a fucking horrible person.

>>153785536
Giving his teammate wardrobe advice to be more marketable and recognizable. Even if the idea that it's memo from Vought is a lie this falls more on the callous spectrum than malicious.

>>153785572
It was a different time, everyone was giving the ladies ultimatums. Can't judge a person by today's morality. And the family incident is when he's trying to embody that evil personality he thinks is inside him. At that point he's mentally unstable.

>>153785700
i realised that when i mentioned "im the only man in the sky" bit.
but he still gave her " the dream" IF and ONLY IF she gets debased by him. thats still a fucking evil act on many levels.

>>153785467
He ask for blowjobs, tricks women into sucking strangers dicks, fucks up constantly and kills people, the fact that it wasn't him the one who ate those babies or raped those people doesn't mean he wasn't evil, just not baby eating evil but evil non the less.

>>153785536
The point is that anyone put in the position of a Vought hero would probably become a weird perverted bully after a while. Some can handle doing evil shit because they are wired that way, but others like Homelander gradually melt down under the strain of it because on a subconscious level they need moral boundaries but were never given any and now it's too late. Does that make them less evil than the ones who are cool with what they've become? Does it matter? Whether or not they are peace with being evil, none of them are right in the head.

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>>153783575
The very first time he meets the boys, long before Noir's frame job, he had gleefully massacred a soldier platoon, no idea where the palliation is coming from, the only thing he regretted at the end was blowing his public image

>>153777597
>YOU FUCKING FUCKING FUCK YOU FUCKING RUINED MY FUCKING LIFE YOU FUCKER
what did he mean by this

>>153786213
The Boys are an active threat against his existence, they're just as glad to subject supers to the exact shock and awe theatrics, why woulldn't Homelander speak their language to convey a clear message? When he genuinely asks Butcher plainly what his personal grief was Butcher just gave him silence.

Homelander is no poor misunderstood good boy, but most of his actions and reactions are notably environmental or provoked, there are plenty of panels where he's gladly indifferent and idle to people's problems at worst instead of going around looking for a onesided fight like the Female or Butcher, yet they get more undue sympathy.

>>153777597
IDC because Preacher was better, and if you disagree, you're a martian nigger.

>>153783575
Doesn't starlight suck all their dicks in the comics? In the show deep asked her to but she turned it down right?

>>153785375
I'm pretty sure the Boys was meant as an allegory for Hollywood with super heroes being celebrity actors and Weinsteins- good public images while actually being degenerate sex pests and freaks

>>153786213
>>153783575
wait what?
Black Noir dressed as Homelander abused Becky, thats why Butcher finished his transformation in the psycho he was.
Homelander was being framed since the beginning,

>>153786324
In a rage, you let the fucks fly because your brains stops working properly.

>>153777597
the boys is the nortubel of garth ennis

>>153777858
Homelander went apeshit after Butcher posted online those pictures of him eating babies, no?
Then a few pages later happens the OP where it's revealed that Noir did that so that all of this would happen.

>>153783575
Yeah, Homelander in the show is a Trump parody with a god complex and a murder boner on his own while comic Homelander is evil like say, James Franco or a frat boy style Harvey Weinstein/ Kevin Spacey before Noir fucking with his head

>>153777597
Despite having limited screen time, Homelander has a lot of depth. His moments are largely self-reflective, focusing on himself and his actions. Like when he fucks Soldier Boy, he doesn’t do it just because it’s a side effect of the V or because he’s a raging homo. He does it because he can. Homelander’s biggest flaw is his narcissism. Still, he tries to be moral. The series kind of nails this by making him rise above the usual racists. The series is about Hughie, but Ennis’s character writing is, in my opinion, the most underrated part of his work.

>>153777597
I also read the boys a billion years ago and I think it's probably the worst comic I've ever read in my life. That said the black Noirs reveal was actually pretty good. it's kind of funny and it was the crowning achievement of this absolute trash heap of a comic.

>>153785700
>It was a different time, everyone was giving the ladies ultimatums.

I bet that's what Big Harv's lawyer said

>>153790135
>but Ennis’s character writing is, in my opinion, the most underrated part of his work.
It's literally the thing everyone has always praised him the most for????? retard

>>153777597
>he was another idiot with powers, huge powers, but thats all, just another idiot
pretty much

another thing is that ennis does due diligence in saying that the 9/11 plane crash and their failure traumatized them and forced the seven to admit they will never be more than glorified celebrities, so they all retreated into their hedonism.

>>153777858
>The Deep... was just there, i dont remember him lol think he wasnt so bad
Comic deep as the only guy who 100% believed the superhero stuff.

>>153785375
>>153783575
You also forget to mention that Vought is an actual comic book villain meme: Greedy to the point of parody and completely incompetent as a company. They fuck up everything they try and only ever fall upwards due to Compound V's value.

Vought every other year puts all their teams up to retarded bullshit that gets them killed or kills and innocent someone by accident (see 9/11 and other shit prior) then forces them to play dumb. They have been covering up shit for a long time.

No surprise pseudo celeb capes would fall into hedonism and apathy when their financiers are so comically evil. They are pretty much pushed towards it. Vought's existence is Ennis' weakest part of The Boys

>>153786213
Vought again. All top teams (meaning the seven and stormfront among a few select others) also double as hitmen for Vought. Comic capes are a bit more "in on the joke" and aware of their status as corpo tools for power. That also means they know to not snitch, because vought would sic stormfront on their ass.

>>153786213
>long before Noir's frame job,
That's only when he sent the photos. noir has been murderaping people and torturing homie well before the boys formed.

>>153785467
>but his intentions are never to be outright evil or malicious
He's also extremely aware that he's an attack dog for Vought and they'd ruin his life the second he rebelled. This is not even addressing Noir existing.

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>>153785467
eh, best evil superman is the plutonian

more straight superman parody. grew tired of stupid, ungrateful people who demanded more perfection shen he saved them
similar to superman, he worked at a radio station. he had his Jimmy, his Perry, and his Lois, but they betrated his trust when they revealed his identity
he got tired of humanity and found himself feeling much better when killing them
turns out he wanted approval, so when they started to criticize him for imperfect clean hero work, "if you're so strong why dont you go and save african kids or cure cancer" dissing, etc he slowly began to lose it

but he is actually fucking powerful, so he wandered in space, other planets, trying to find purpose (identity crisis) or something to do

>>153793096
and he is interesting because, unlike homelander, he had a legit hero life, facing all kind of villains and his nemesis, experiencing defeat multiple times but overcoming it
he is mature to an extent

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>>153786943
>Black Noir dressed as Homelander abused Becky
You can't pin this one on Noire

>>153791440
I don't know man Ennis may have been onto something considering how we're seeing AI companys just fucking fail upwards while peddling shit very few actually want in ways nobody wants

>>153785536
>telling a team member to make their costume sexier for PR is malicious
Even if Vought wasn't the one asking for it its still nothing. It's a douchebag saying put more tits on the screen, nothing compared to making her blow them to get on the team

>>153793096
Plutonian is actually genuinely interesting because he's written by a guy who gives a shot about Superman & superheroes. He's like The Sentry, who best material is by a veteran writer whose making a commentary about the medium. Even Omni-man, le eeeeville twist aside, was intended to be a portrayal of a mature Superman raising a Superboy (Invincible)

But Homelander is just Ennis taking potshots at the superhero /co/ industry, because no one cared about Dan Dare and WW2 comics.

>>153793931
Minor correction, Ennis does give a shit about Superman.

>all the anons in this thread talking about other evil supermen
>not realizing that all of them came after Homelander

>>153793639
Yeah he's a scumbag, but he says himself on that page that he's not a rapist. She could have said to hell with being on the team and left.

>>153791229
Oh no, those poor, famous, multimillionaire celebrities chose to fuck a a fat ugly bastard so they could satisfy their narcissism
I dont care about the lard ball in jail nor about the women who all only decided to say something when it was profitable for them to do so

>>153785467
>I'm not evil but I do evil things because I keep getting anonymous photos gaslighting me into thinking I do bad things and then forget about them
Honestly the most retarded thing on par with deviantart shoops of nerds with anime characters going on dates

>>153793940
Yeah yeah, he also gives minor shits about Wonder Woman and Spider-man. He still hates Captain America & Green Lantern and can't write Wolverine for shit.
He might give a shit about Superman, but that doesn't mean he likes him. I gave Evangelion enough of a shit to watch it and recognize its importance in /a/nime history, I still fucking hate it. Saladin gave enough of a shit about Richard Lionheart to gift him a horse when his horse died, but the two still fought in a holy war. I don't think Ennis likes Superman. I do think he recognizes his importance and doesn't want to step on toes because Kal-El had this massive fandom, but I bet Ennis would really want to do the worst to Superman if given the chance

>>153794008
Harvey had the power to silence them with threats to destroy their careers. He was having spooks spy on his accusers, and we know he intentionally sabotaged or tried to do that people’s careers if they refused his advances. You’re doing rapist apology with this shit.

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>>153794054
>He might give a shit about Superman, but that doesn't mean he likes him
Ennis adores Superman anon, he literally always writes him in a hero worship way. He won an Eisner for sucking off Superman

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>>153794054
>I bet Ennis would really want to do the worst to Superman if given the chance
>he doesn't know about Ennis's kino supes

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>>153793096
King Superman has them all beat via Panache.

>>153794082
>>153794104
Its like you people never heard of Iago. No, not the bloody parrot - I'm talkimg about Shakespeare's Iago. From Othello. Obviously you can't get anywhere in American comics without sucking off DC & Marvel. Especially DC
Yes I'm beimg contrarian, but I seriously doubt Ennis is sincere. He's a good writer, sure. But any good writer knows how to charm people.

>jacking off is okay
>watching porn is okay
>selling porn is okay
>casual sex is okay
>group sex is okay
>prostitution is okay
>homosexuality is okay
If sex isn't sacred, by what measure can you say it's evil to ask someone to suck your dick in exchange for a job? Why isn't that a legitimate trade? How are you meaningfully violating them any more than forcing them to draw you a pretty picture? It seems like everybody wants to act like sex is meaningless when it suits their immediate desires, but a deeply personal and profound thing when it doesn't.

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>>153794104
Thats nice, but its no Samaritan.

Is this some kind of attempt at gaslighting, this guy was front and center to cause this universes version of 911 trough his and his buddies incompetence, is going around murdering "heros" and "villains" who step out of line and looked as giddy as could be when he turned a warehouse full of spec ops into meat slushy (after they were gassed to make it easier for him of course) and raped a new candidate for his team just because he felt like it and just shrugs when encountering other horrific shit people in the org get up to. This man has no morals or ethics beyond doing whatever it takes to keep his rockstar god status and perks intact and was always an evil prick even before he got mindfucked into starting his little murder rampage.

>>153793096
I like the Plutonian as an evil Superman because they give you plenty of scenes where the cracks are forming and then those cracks get bigger and bigger with each ingratitude he encounters but also hears. I thought the scene of him saving the baseball stadium full of people, hearing their cheers but also being unable to avoid hearing some people bitch and moan about him being a hero was really well done.

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Black Noir was the one who raped Becky. People have been posting the images of Butcher killing Homelander with the crowbar, but that's not Homelander. The comic explicitly shows that it's Noir who survived and it's Noir that Butcher realizes raped Becky.

>>153794215
massive cope

>>153794233
Is this a meme? You can't possibly be this retarded.

>>153794370
Explain to the retard, then.

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>>153794358
This page is where Butcher really understands that Noir did it.

>>153785467
this anon is an american centrist

>>153794233
eat this bowl of shit to get hired. what's wrong? shit isn't sacred.

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>>153793639
Didn't this happen LONG after Noir started impersonating Homelander? It's been a while since I read The Boys, but I'm pretty sure the timeline is
>Homelander is made the face of Vought and is a generally good person trying his best. (Bear in mind, this is stated, like, once in the entire story and never shown.)
>The rest of the Supes are still complete assholes.
>He starts to suffer from severe blackouts that occasionally last for days (I don't think these are ever explained.)
>Noir starts impersonating Homelander and sends the blackmail to the CIA, The Seven and Vought, in the hopes that this will force Vought to kill Homelander.
>Homelander assumes the pictures are real because of his blackouts.
>Starts acting more and more like a psychopath because he figures, hey, he's already murdered babies before, the pictures don't lie. (This is also never shown beyond the one scene in the OP.)
>The CIA holds on to the pictures as blackmail and forms The Boys as a response.
>This is all the way back when Mallory was alive.
>The Boys and the Seven are then locked in a stalemate; where the Seven can't just kill the The Boys because they'll release the blackmail, and the Boys can't kill the Seven because...they're the Seven, the strongest supes in the world.

>>153794394
Nah. Retards never learn.

>>153794326
oh yeah, forgot that. pretty cool
wasnt there a scene where he would fly to space to stop the super hearing torture and rest his head?

>>153794637
It's also been a while for me, but yeah, IIRC that's pretty much it. I'm not even sure whether the blackouts were ever an actual thing or rather just Homelander gaslighting himself into thinking they happen to explain his lack of memories about actions he's certain he committed.

But also another aspect is peer pressure, IIRC Homelander genuinely tried to be a good guy at the very beginning, but even without Noir fucking with him the overall superhero culture he functioned in gradually turned him into more and more of an asshole. And Noir did what he could to encourage that (ex. the suit-switch fucking)

>>153794817
But don't the blackouts occur before he receives the pictures and that's why it's so easy for him to believe them? I'm certain they were a pre-existing thing.

>>153794633
That's not my argument. I don't believe people should recreationally eat shit and treat shit eating like it's not a big deal. Are you smart enough to realize you're helping make my point?

>>153794746
Didn't think so.

>>153777597
Kripke's drumpf obsession managed to make the comic look like a fucking masterpiece by comparison.

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MY HERO

>>153777597
Anon he partook in Starlight's rape in the first issue. Anyway, yeah, was the ""normal"' sort of evil, the corporate kind you'd see in celebrities and CEOs. Black Noir just did complete Dirlewanger shit and drove him insane.

>>153796087
The casting couch isn't rape unless it's forced and he said himself no one was going to force her to do anything.

>>153794276

There's is a difference between commiting a mistake and hurting people on purpose. Classic Homie objective was to save the people

>>153777597
It makes me wonder how he would've turned out if he was raised like Superman. Is he inherently psychopathic or is he a product of the environment?
He's one of the few genuinely interesting characters from The Boys.

>>153796232
>a product of the environment
No such thing

>>153784332
Because drawings aren't constrained by physical limitations

>>153786657
No, she sucked Deep's cock in the show too. In the comic it was just A-Train and Homelander I think.

>>153796625
If you were raised to rub doo doo all over your nipples while screaming the national anthem backwards then you would rub doo doo all over your nipples while screaming the national anthem backwards without thinking there's anything wrong with rubbing doo doo all over your nipples while screaming the national anthem backwards.

>>153793096
Didn't his breaking point come when he went to the moon just to take a short break from it all and a huge disaster happened during that period and he got blamed for a lot of deaths?

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>>153777597
Isn't anyone going to talk about how that "reveal" (Noir was an evil clone of Homelander all along) was the dumbest thing in the entire series?
>They planted a clone of Homelander in the team in case Homelander ever goes out of control. The clone's job is to stop Homelander.
>"Oh okay. Well what if the clone goes out of control?"
>Oooh errr... We never thought of that...

>>153794637
>>153794817
>Homelander is made the face of Vought and is a generally good person trying his best
Even before the gaslighting almost none of the supes were good people, Vought basically engineered them to be spoiled celebrities that cared more about public perception and outward personal image rather than being actual heroes. Almost all of their public heroics were publicity stunts and the rare times they were used in actual crises they were shown to be ineffectual retards like the 9/11 plane hijacking.

>>153794817
So hang on, the show turned a guy who was just kinda ethically myopic and weak willed into an utter psychopath but also gigantic shrieking pussy? Why?

>>153795482
>series fails in back end
>everyone makes fun of it
>le ornch mane unaffected
Dire

>the comic unironically had a better conclusion to homelander and the comic
>the "clone" despite being lame af was still better
i dont understand how that is possible, imagine being such an ass writer you manage to out shit a comic that was deliberately being shit on purpose

>>153794080
It's weird seeing people get hung up on that. The only thing you can really say about Weinstein's defense is that he was obviously thrown to the wolves as a scapegoat at a time where his influencing was waning. He absolutely was a piece of shit, the only caveat was that he was a piece of shit that was a small part of a corrupt system that enabled pieces of shit like him and all the other pieces of shit in Hollywood that threw him under the bus are just as bad and only joined in on the dog-piling to cover up their own sins instead of any real moral reasoning.

>>153786498
Hitman is better than both

>>153797030
AFAIK the faggot who blackballed Fraser has never faced serious consequences.

>>153791348
He didn't really drink the kool-aid, he was just the more practical of the group.

>>153797057
There's also Brian Singer who's still making movies to this day.

>>153796890
Have you missed all the parts where Vought constantly shot itself in the foot with retarded, short-sighted decisions that screwed everyone over, but kept going anyway because they were too big to fall and would always be kept afloat as long as they had a good enough sales pitch for their next product?
This was just yet another example of this and very much intentional

>>153796890

There is a reason why Dos EMES is telling you the story, is the same negligence that got his family core utterly destroyed.

USA industry is not suitable to operate machinery of war.

>>153796890
Ennis's disdain for the corporations who make superheroes was the point.

>>153796952
Orange Man Bad, humiliation ritual.

>>153794233
It's less "suck my dick and you can have this job" and more "suck my dick and you can have this job but if you refuse I'll use my influence to make sure you don't get to work in anything"

>>153797174
Is there any proof that's actually happened? Plenty of actresses have had careers without having to have sex with someone to become successful.

>>153797174
Also, to be honest, your boss shouldn't be able to make one of the conditions of your employment sex acts. Unless you're a prostitute, I guess.

>>153796868
A super bioweapon got out while he took a break on the moon, though the bigger problem was that he gave them the bioweapon to begin with. Forget the exact context but I think the doctor in charge was a critic of his he tried to win over.

>>153797198
Absolutely there's plenty of cases of actors/actresses getting blackballed after they refused to play ball and caused major problems with their careers, especially so if they ever said anything about it. Brendan Fraser is a pretty notable example. No one is saying all of them had to go through it but it happens enough to be a major problem with the industry.

>>153777597
>I-IS THAT A PICTURE OF ME DOING SOMETHING I HAD NO MEMORY OF? ATROCITIES I'D NEVER COMMIT AND THEY HAVE NO OTHER EVIDENCE TYING ME TO?
>AAAAH I'M GOING INSAAAAANE! KILL ME BUTCHER-MAN!

>>153790100
>Yeah, Homelander in the show is a Trump parody with a god complex
Post-season 1 is, The Boys was never subtle but season 1 was restrained enough to have the villain characters be more than just strawmen parodies.

>>153796164
In every civilized country, casting couch shit like that is considered rape

>>153786943
Homelander was barely aware of Becky at all, so it did not influence his behavior

>>153797388
The point was Noir had been doing heinous shit posing as Homelander for quite a while

>>153796952
The original was "what if we took a typical spineless, spoiled, hedonistic and attention-hungry celebrity and gave him Superman's powers, while still treating him as product". And then it turns out that him turning out as badly as he did was in fact semi-orchestrated. He still was a pretty bad person by the point the Boys appear on the scene, but nowhere near the unstable, murderous wanna-be God he turns into later and in the show

The show version was just a shitty Trump satire with subtlety of a wrecking ball that turned the way he did because he craves power and worship I guess

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>>153797139
>>153797150
Come on man. It was completely retarded. Pretending it was some brilliant twist that cast a light on corporate incompetence is just coping at this point. Did Garth Ennis write these posts?

>>153797440
I actually like the idea of Homelander's upbringing in the show better than the original, they just never capitalize on it and end up turning him into a tired Trump parody. I mean fuck, I would even be willing to stomach him being turned into a Trump expy if they ever actually did anything with it but it just ended up being a character dead end because they never went beyond "evil Superman Trump lmao"

>>153785467
I kind of agree with you. He's not comically evil, he's actually pretty reasonable. There's FAR worse villains than Homelander.

>>153797523
anon Vought had enough pull to call off military intervention on 9/11 so the seven could stop the plane but forgot to actually give any of them training, corporate incompetence is a key element in the series, and Black Noir is the embodiment of it

>>153797294
Looking at IMDB, Fraser has been in mulitple films just about every year since the 00s when he spoke out about getting groped. He may have lost out on premium roles, sure, but it didn't end his career.
>>153797339
Legally, it's not.
>>153797523
It wasn't brilliant but it made sense. The people in charge of real-life superhero comic companies are retarded. The fictional people in charge of the superhero-making corporation are equally retarded.

>>153794215
Holy cope Batman!

>>153797174
Then the issue is just the abuse of power.
>Suck my dick or you'll never work in this town again.
>Rub my shoulders or you'll never work in this town again.
>Draw me a doodle of Snoopy or you'll never work in this town again.
>Compliment my haircut or you'll never work in this town again.
I find that eating your cake and having it with the sacredness of sex is absurd. It either matters or it doesn't.

One part I feel is one of many, many ideas from the comic the show essentially drops is how many supes are also functionally immortal when it comes to age. I recall butcher describing it like them being “pickled”

So as a result you have this bizarre world, where most of the Seven like Homelander and Maeve have been members since the 1970’s and just stopped aging at around 35 (but Maeve still gets plastic surgery for some reason)

Likewise, butcher is actually older than he appears. I can’t recall his birth date. But he fought in the Falklands war. Even if you assume he was barely 18 when he was sent there, which sounds unlikely, he’s clearly younger than he should be due to also having compound V in him

Same with them being able to incorporate supes into historical events this way. With the seven fucking up their 9/11 rescue attempt rather than it being some generic current hijacking

When you think about it this way it makes much more sense to me. Think about how celebrities are often said to have stopped aging mentally around the age they became famous. Because they can basicsally do anything and people worship them. You can be 50 and have a never ending string of 20 year old girlfriends while you smoke weed and listen to MGMT as they ride your cock

Except magnify this by also making you stop aging. Have peak physique. And superpowers.

No wonder most become absolute mega degenerates, like normal Hollywood degeneracy times a million

>>153798258
And then like real Hollywood fixers cover up scandals. Vought does so just on a larger scale due to their hegemonic power.

I also liked how Vought felt like this massive presence in everything in the comic, in the show I really just didn’t buy it when Stan Edgar says they’re a pharmaceutical company not a superhero company, because everything seems centred on their heroes in comparison to the many stories of their products we see in the comics (I think my favorite was their rifle in Vietnam being completely defective and getting soldiers killed for no reason whatsoever, just so Vought could make money selling defective shitty new weapons rather than wasting their money having developed and made a piece of shit product. If I recall this is actually why the legend hates Vought and helps the boys, his son died in Vietnam because of it)

Notice how there was ZERO mention of immortal supes like soldier boy and Stormfront prior to season 2. Clearly just poor planning.

Shame because seeing actual flashbacks of say, Homelander in the 1980’s shaking hands with Ronald Reagan where he’s promoted as some Cold War deterrent would have been cool.

Then you could have the Russian plot have them kidnap soldier boy in an attempt to replicate compound V and make a Russian version.

I guess maybe this Vought Rising prequel will have some better call Saul style story where we have modern soldier boy reminiscing about the 1950’s for most of the plot but what a waste. Would have been so much more interesting if they kept Homelander and other major supes as this unaging presence you could use in flashbacks for 9/11, iconic events. Story reveals in the past (like making Mothers Milks hatred of “racist” soldier boy actually make sense. I’d have probably changed that to him beinf the one whose family got messed up by Liberty/Stormfront. Then again they didn’t even have the balls to say nigger so they were never gonna cover edgy topics well)

>>153794233
>>153798166
>sucking dick is same as rubbing shoulders
ok retard

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>>153794418
>The Supervillain's Supervillain's base motives leaves everyone too revolted for response
He did Terror too, and brutally does Homelander in so he even lived out his fantasy.

I know people are already see sawing over what to think about the Boys, but the curious thing is it's a story about all these tragic lives but just as much a slasher where this insane homicidal sexual sadist violates however much in the background while everyone's distracted, then exits a world he deteriorated because he was never really there.

>>153798166
Are you autistic or something? It's not about "sacredness" it's about coerced sex acts being more degrading to the vast majority of people than a fucking drawing or compliment.

>>153797952
There was a long period where he couldn't get anything but bit roles when he used to be one of Hollywood's golden boys, just because he managed to bounce back eventually doesn't mean he wasn't blackballed. And he's one of the lucky ones, there are plenty out there you don't hear about because leave the public eye entirely.

>>153794766
>>153797283

Yes and yes. Some scientist was talking shit about the Plutonian on daytime TV, something about him hording or destroying super tech that otherwise could be reverse engineered for advancing human civilization. Instead of ripping a wet fart on this guy and ignoring him Plutonian took him up on his word, extended an olive branch and tentatively let this guy have access to super tech. Then a while later with his super hearing all he could hear was people in distress and the ugly side of humanity and flew to the moon for a brief respite, came back and the scientist with the super tech fucked everything up.

>>153798764
Yeah that's right. I think Irredeemable did a far better job setting up.his downfall, establishing him as a genuine force for good broken down by problem after problem destroyed his resolve, then later going back and detailing his upbringing showing he was always kind of fucked in the head.

>>153798471
Rub my shoulders asshole.

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>>153785467
>People replying with all the shit he did AFTER Noir started driving him mad.
By the start of the story Homelander was already slipping because Noir have been fucking with him for years. Noir was the one who killed Becky and Butcher spent years trying to avenge her. Noir's plan was in action long before that.

Homelander was trying to play the part of the psycho he supposedly was but he never really could do it with the malice he intended and the comic shows this time and again.

Homelander's not good or innocent but he's for sure was not meant to be the psycho he became after years of manipulation

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>>153793096
also max damage is pretty cool
the less hours, days, weeks he sleeps, the stronger he gets

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>>153794119
>Extra! SUPERGIRL and SUPER-HORSE!

>>153799773
>>153799808
the way they tied him into the main series was really fucking lame

Like "What the fuck was the point of that" lame

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Garth Ennis redpilled the people three times about Nine Eleven.
He did the exact inverse American Consolidated does with entertainment.

>>153784332
Because in the comics he is huge and muscular, not a lean athletic man in a muscle suit.

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>verb tense inconsistency

>>153797952
Actually it is illegal to use the offer of employment to coerce someone into sex

>>153800240
but extremely hot

>>153796890
>if HL goes out of control, send BN to kill him
>if BN goes out of control, send HL to kill him
>even if the one they want dead wins the fight, he’ll be fucked up enough that they can finish the job
It’s not a bad enough plan to be a plot hole. You could argue someone should’ve been keeping closer tabs on both of them, but I’d imagine that’s difficult when they can fly into space faster than you can tie your shoes.

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>>153800468

As any company, American Consolidated understand RISK INDEX. You can never reach a one hundred percent certainty for any possible scenario, you can only model and implement according to the numbers you get back and the priorities your boss has. Priorities that can change in the next quarter of the year.

>>153800240
Of course. But legally speaking, it is not rape.

>>153798649
>More degrading
Why? Arbitrarily, for no reason? Can you actually explain without just relying on "nah, bro, everybody just knows it!"

>>153798471
I don't think sucking dick is the same as rubbing shoulders because I accept that sex is a sacred act. I just want to know how you would justify the modern, laissez faire attitude about sex that permits all the things I listed, but still elevate coercion, rape, and non-consent to some kind of particularly heinous trespass on human dignity.

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>/tv/ is legitimately imploding over the finale
Best timeline confirmed

>>153797952
>The people in charge of real-life superhero comic companies are retarded
Forget that, the people in charge of everything are retarded.
>Let's build a 9 gigawatt datacenter in the middle of fucking Utah
>The electric grid? Fuck it, we don't need that, that's woke tranny shit, just kick out the plebs, that'll save us plenty of energy

>>153794637
yes but even before Noir, Homelander was both
>One of Vought's hitmen together with more obscure killers like Stormfront
>Goaded onto fuck up after fuck up and sex party after sex party because Vought mismanages the fuck out of the capes

Homie was never a saint nor unfamiliar with killing, but he had a pragmatic outlook about the situation. He knew he was Voughts product and accepted all the shit that came with it, arguably better than others. Didn't stop him from holding onto his morals and having some doubts about the direction of his life.
It's he latter that drove him off the edge when Noir started started manipulating him.

>>153794006
Anon, this is some Harvey Weinstein shit right here. Blackmail is rape.

>>153802467
Harvey Weinstein was accused and convicted of forcing himself on women, which he disputes. Whether that's true or not, they didn't convict him based on every accusation of trading sex for career opportunities.

>>153797523
I liked it. Could have been pulled off better.

>>153802467
>ok I do not want this job I think this whole situation is wrong this is not something I want
>ok bye

>>153796890
It works, not only because it shows Vought doesn't really plan ahead, just moves on, and also because it's meant to apply to Butcher as well. He's no less a psychopath than Homelander, killing and torturing supes and betraying everything his wife stood for, all while nursing a hatred for a guy who was innocent all along.

>>153777597
He was a selfish spoilt brat like most of the other supes, but he may have bought into his own propaganda that he was supposed to be not_superman until Black Noir started fucking with him.

>>153777858
He slathered the interior of an entire hangar red just after 9/11. He didn’t need the pictures to go off.

>>153806061
the pictures/Nior was pre-9/11

even then he had Vought put the spec ops team to sleep to actually do the deed

>>153801302
>Why? Arbitrarily, for no reason?
Same reason why most people would consider a backrub trivial but being forced to eat feces would be a step too far. Generally the type of people that need to resort to coercion/implicit threats for sex are not exactly fine physical specimens.

>>153800312
No

>>153809254
Yes

>>153807588
And obviously not fine mental specimens.

>>153807588
>>153809366
Both you motherfuckers can rub my shoulders. Faggots.

>>153807460
The pictures were right before the story began, which was what got the ball rolling for Butcher to look for a new recruit and start dunking on Vought super teams to let them know The Boys were back in business. Also, Noir didn’t start gaslighting until the pictures. Becky wasn’t a deliberate impersonation frame job, he was just taking his insane urges out on some random innocent target.

>>153809419
I see, it must be autism

>>153810060
Your mother rubs shoulders in hell.

>>153807588
So sexual coercion is only a problem if they aren't hot? If an attractive woman threatened you to eat her out or she'd destroy your career forever, you'd consider her morally absolved? I don't think you've actually thought this through.

>>153777597
He still did a lot of fucked up stuff; some of it was, admittedly, after Noir had convinced him he was capable of doing so, but the fact is Homelander believed he could be capable of doing those things even if he didn't remember doing them.

>>153810140
>So sexual coercion is only a problem if they aren't hot?
Yes.

>>153797030
>no no, it's okay, everyone was doing it.
that only means more people should be prosecuted, not that he was a poor innocent scapegoat.

>>153810225
That's what I'm saying, I am not condoning his actions whatsoever.

>>153810140
Generally? That's the main sticking point of what makes it degrading.

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>>153798393

>Vought does so just on a larger scale due to their hegemonic power
>I really just didn’t buy it when Stan Edgar says they’re a pharmaceutical company not a superhero company

in Boys Classic, Vought has a hand in global media and entertainment so they cover up everything they want. For them the free press does not represent any danger, they have all information totally controlled. Original Herogasm in essence shows the consequence of that control. They trick the general population telling the story of a interplanetary threat while they have fun in private.

>>153795670
that brain tumor had him all fucked up

>>153810270
What if she made you drink her piss and eat shit?

>>153811462
I do that for my parents anyway.

>>153786657
>Boys was meant as an allegory for Hollywood with super heroes being celebrity actors and Weinsteins- good public images while actually being degenerate sex pests and freaks
Actually, per Ennis himself back in the day, it was a mix of the usual Superhero flair from Marvel but twisted in the rockstar/musician. He was pointing at that the entire time.

>>153777597
I mean, he does rape Starlight.

>>153777597
He was always on the edge of being completely evil, but remained right on the side of "Famous Asshole with superpowers" which is why Black Noir gave him a push.

>>153783575
>>153786943
>>153793639
>>153797388
Homelander did all of the bad shit we see in the comics because of the Noir pics he saw which began his descent into madness.

>>153794233
I like how you guys hate Jews yet will defend a Jewish rapist because you hate women

>>153777597
The Boys are back in town?

>>153815395
I'm not defending it. I'm pointing out that the popular understanding of sex doesn't actually justify the stance you're apparently taking. Since you don't have any consistent belief about sex that can justify the stance that compelled sex is an extreme trespass on human dignity, it's only a matter of time and rhetoric before you're talked into excusing it. You won't even notice it happened, you just won't have the same emotional reaction to it you usually do and you'll file it away as an exception, if you ever process it at all. Sex is either a sacred act or it's just a fun thing two adults do with their genitals. Any attempted nuance there is bullshit, unless you can actually justify it.
>you guys
Do you think your inability to assess people as individuals has harmed your life overall, or are you just like this on the internet?