2000's seth was such a douche. I respect atheist people for their own beliefs. faith is by definition a test. But 2000's atheists were so arrogant while having literally the worst takes possible basically blasting to the void they are really fucking stupid and very arrogant about their beliefs.

Seth atheists takes on family guy are living proof of that. Arrogant, superficial and ignorant about one the things he hates most in the entire world. If I did not know better I would say this sorta of thing was written by a woman.

he's got a point there

>>153796118
A funny god.

>>153796118
>"If God is real, why would he make you ugly and give you a fat ass? What kind of God would give you a smoking hot mom like Lois but have you grow up looking like Peter?"
I don't know, maybe one that is omnipotent and omniscient and has no obligation to operate on the same moral framework as mortals? "God isn't real because he does not grant my wishes" is quite an arrogant take.
Not saying God is real though, I just find this line of reason eye-rolling.

>>153796174
2000s atheists were right all along people just do mental gymnastics around it

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>>153796118
>Brian that sounds more like you're applying human context to a being on entirely other level. You can't say God isn't real just cause some ugly people exist, that's a human preference. Imagine if hair color was treated with the utmost importance, "Meg, God doesn't exist cause you have brown hair", now doesn't that just sound silly?

>>153796118
Lois?
Smoking hot?
Look no matter how many times they say shes hot shes still the middest woman 8n the cast.

>>153796174
fpbp

>>153796246
>has no obligation to operate on the same moral framework as mortals?

Doesn’t work because God’s also said to be all-good and if “good” is contextual based on if it’s a human or God then it doesn’t really mean much to say God’s good

>>153796255
She's mogged by both her friends, random side characters, and both women of the Smith family. The show says she's Scarlett Johansson but compared to everyone else she might as well be a trailer park resident.

>>153796298
Actually "God is good" is only ever outright said in the old testament Psalms.

>>153796327
I mean ok you can go tell the Church they’re wrong and God’s moral authority comes from having the biggest dick rather than being a perfect being then

>>153796174
A lot of people give him flack for his surface level understanding of religion but I hate his understanding of history even more.

>>153796300
Anon, "hot trailerpark girl" is an entire genre of porn.
Shes just mid as fuck no matter where youre from.

>>153796298
Your issue is you have really weird ideas of what "good" is such as OP's example saying God can't be good because some people aren't attractive to you. That's just retarded.

>>153796246
it could also be counterargued with something as simple "it's all part of a plan that I may not understand, but it's for my own good".

>>153796118
Youre right god isnt real. So why do you follow christian morality and enjoy a essentially christian society?

You're a hypocrite and a parasite. A poison to every society that will have your kond. There is no reason or basic human empathy in your words. Only quasi-religious hatred of another spiritual leaning. We all die. We all go into that dark night eternal.
What life will you leave behind? One filled with emptiness and regret. Pathetically clawing for a sioritual meaning you changed into base all consuming hedomism you can no longer enjoy.
A search for a soul you tossed away and meaning you will never grasp.

In short. Get fucked

>>153796418
>make someone ugly or crippled, having full advance knowledge of how it will effect negatively effect their life
>costs you nothing to make them beautiful and athletic
>”lol lmao”

>>153796246
Alternatively, god is real, but he's a fucking asshole.

>>153796118
>"If God is real, why would He[…] give you a fat ass?
You have to use what you get, I guess.
>>153796248
Atheists are the biggest retards, because they mistake not believing in a god as the basis of intellectual merit, yet will fall for the dumbest bait possible like a sentient chatbot or Enlightenment grifts.

>>153796118
Tough talk coming from someone who could be legally neutered.

>>153796535
>or crippled
We're adding things to the argument now?

>>153796118
Ironically God is Real, Peter visit him a lot of times, he just doesn't care about meg.

https://youtu.be/o2HM_WofOIo?si=Wj6dnzvssaOZEaEi

>>153796611
>no, you're the retard for not believing in jewish fairy tales
>>153796613
*should

>>153796174
>2000's seth was such a douche
Most of them reformed after Atheism+ happened.
The Atheist+ survivor relax a little and focus on other issues(also because they would get laugh anytime islam get into the topic), and the 00s Atheist relax because they got the same medicine.

>>153796495
>Youre right god isnt real

Good you admitted it, didn't bother reading the rest.

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>god isnt real cause *humans are vain and shallow about looks*
>seth: heh damn religious freaks burning books, sure ive never been to the south cause thats fly over country and i only get my source from them is what i see on the news that would never be bias ever.

>>153796780
>Most of them reformed after Atheism+ happened.
American Christians just stopped being as annoying after 2000s atheism so there was nobody to beat up and no point to circlejerking about it

>>153796845
You did. We both know it.

Meg isn't even ugly

>>153796902
Did what?

>>153796632
>deleterious traits the person has minimal if any control over which will negatively impact their life

It’s the same category of thing but I’ll take the tacit admission making people crippled is wrong lol

>>153796174
2000s atheism was really just a reaction to the Bush years.
Believe me when I say this, the most obnoxious fedora tipping retards you will ever meet come from the most bible-thumping baptist communities

>>153796298
You have to default to God's good because He is the one that defines good, not you.

>>153796495
He's a cultural christain...or whatever.
Like Dawkens.

>be vain
>treat people based on vain worldview
>somehow, this is an argument for atheism

>>153797359
I'm NTA you've been arguing with, but the disciples once came across a man who was born blind and asked Jesus, "Why is this man blind? Did he sin or did his parents sin?" And Jesus said, "He was made blind so that the glory of God could be shown through him." And He healed the blind man.
Not everyone who is dealt a bad hand gets healed from it, but learning to overcome and prosper in spite of, or because of the bad things that happen to us is inspiring and noble, isn't it? That benefit cannot be realized without hardship, and if this concept was absent from the world, God would not be as fully glorified as He could otherwise be, which of course He ontologically must be. So glory through hardship and in spite of hardship is an ontologically good necessity.
This may be a bit too highbrow a concept for 4chan, but here it is.

>>153797473
Hes a bitch hylocrite who enjoys christisnity and shitting on it till he is faced with their mortality.
Hes all christian and shitband praying to god like a whore in church on sunday morning because he knows his life is winding down.

They all do it.
Every society thats ever existed has some form of organized spiritual belief system. Every dingle one. Somewhere along the line the materislist cult of atheism became worship of the scientific method as if it was a religious ideal.

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>>153796174
>I respect atheist people for their own beliefs
but they don't believe in anything

>>153796248
>>153796174
2000s atheism basically directly spiraled into the LGBTQIAPedo stuff we deal with today, as well as demonizing any native (Christian) resistance to foreign expansionist religions that are all just objectively worse than Christian dominance from a humanitarian perspective.

Funny how Atheism was topical until Islam started entering western spaces en masse.

Funny how environmentalism was topical until they needed to quadruple our energy grid and 10x our water supply usage for data centers

Funny how police racism was topical until basically every department started using body cams and now they demand cameras are banned and crime go unpunished.

>>153797604
>God can harm you however he wants for his own glory because he’s morally just no matter what and ontologically entitled to worship
>the same action can be good or evil depending on whether it’s You or God doing it
Internally consistent? Sure. Compelling definition of “Good”? Not really it’s just might makes right in drag

>>153797604
>I needed to make that baby born with no limbs to make myself feel better and reaffirm how great I am
you're not making a compelling argument for the christian god

>>153797959
>>153798039
It's okay that you didn't understand it. The post wasn't for you, who are so hardened you'd never allow yourself to entertain the ideas presented, it's for the ones who do have the ears to hear.

>>153796885
Idk evangelical are doing their best to become as obnoxious as 90s/Bush era christian or even worse.

>>153797959
>it’s just might makes right in drag
No. It's right makes right. As in, "Do I as the creator of life and death have the right to dictate the bounds and conditions of life and death? Yes." Or, "Do I, as a temporary being within creation without enough time to fully comprehend my surroundings have the right to dictate what is right and wrong? No."
It's an ontological question of your being and the rights that extend therefrom.

>>153798039
What's sad is that you could actually choose to open your eyes spiritually. God gave you the choice in that matter. Maybe if He gave you the choice, you'd choose to be physically blind to spite Him, too.

>>153796118
This episode is really sad. Meg turned to religion in the first place because of all the bullying she received daily, then Brian uses that same bullying to take that cope away from her. Seth is a real psychopath for thinking this is some heartfelt moment.

>>153798192
>"Do I, as a temporary being within creation without enough time to fully comprehend my surroundings have the right to dictate what is right and wrong?

Yes. And if you can’t tell me why my assertion is wrong without resorting to “because I’m God” you’re just resorting to might makes right lol. Changing the sentence structure doesn’t change what you’re saying

>>153798408
You don't make the rules. I don't know what's hard to understand about that. You're by definition not that guy, that's all it is. You can try to tell me I can't say that to you with this arbitrary condition of argument
>without resorting to “because I’m God”
But the truth is you're not God. You're not the one who makes the rules, and you'll die by God's dictation and you don't have a choice. That's right and just because rightness and justice exist, and they exist because God made them exist.
Fight it, live in denial of it if you want, but it's ironclad and logically airtight because it taps into objective truth at its source. I'm sorry my friend, but you lose this fight. You never could win with that stance.

>>153797925
I think you are conflating and simplifying a myriad of diverse issues. But it's OK because this is thread about cartoons and not real ideology or economics.

>>153798408
>You cannot use the ontology of God as proof in this argument about ontological rights.
Explain why not.

>>153798598
So it all boils down to co-opting academic terminology to indulge in a competitive and cocky attitude with strangers, as a way to internally summon a feeling of smug victory about abstract ideas.

>>153798806
>I didn't understand the words you used so I'm gonna fire off an accusation and pretend I won
Okay, champ. Love you.

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>>153798800
Because it is a clincher and he wants something he can argue with.

>>153798800
You can do it you just can’t do it and claim not to be resorting to might makes right, I already told you it’s internally consistent

>>153798846
Well that's a disappointment. To pretend to want to argue about Facts and Truth, but then just preemptively declare you "won", and then can't take a bit of psychobants and bail. Kinda just bratty, bad sportsmanship.

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Why did Brian "GOD. IS. PISSED." Griffin become the atheist of the show?

>>153796174
there's a reason they separated Athiest as the normal ones that still respect religion, and "r/athiests" that wore the shitty trilby's.

t. I had that phase in high school.

>>153798947
I'd argue there's more to being the source of all that is right and good than simply being mightier than creation itself and I'd say that's what Christianity teaches. Would you explain how there isn't?

>>153796742
>imagine being this stupid
This isn't about whether you worship "some desert religion," it's about how atheists use their non-belief in a god (there are ways to be religious without having to believe in a god) to mask their ignorance under a veil of "enlightenment"

>>153799110
God isnt real. There isnt anything after death.
Ive been dead..its peaceful but theres nothing but the big black nothing.

>>153799172
And other people who have been dead report heaven... have you considered the possibility that that darkness is all you get, anon?

>>153797391
I suppose it makes sense. Counter Culture and resentment from really strict surroundings will do that.

>>153799110
Within the Christian worldview God can do no wrong because ultimately the only moral is obedience to God and he won’t disobey himself, like I said it’s not compelling even if it’s internally consistent

>>153799199
...
I will leave you with your hope.

>>153799306
I'd rather you found hope yourself. It's not too late to change that outcome.

>>153799138
>ignorance
>god is real
>may I see?
>stop being ignorant!
huh?

>>153799400
I'm not that anon, but that's just disingenuous. There's plenty of immaterial shit in the world that we accept without hard evidence.

>>153796884
Go to the South right now and say "I'm gay."

>>153799484
I live in Arkansas. If anyone says anything about it at all, they say, "Well, as long as you ain't hitting on me."
Fuck do you think happens, they lynch you on the spot?

>if god real why bad thing happen
So deep

>>153799474
Most of that shit doesn’t come with the caveat that you must spend every Sunday morning giving worship to something that likely isn’t real and give 10% of your annual income to them

>>153799537
To add on to this, the Presbyterian church down the street from my house here has a sign outside with a rainbow flag that says shit like, "Accept everyone, embrace diversity, reject racism, be the church, love everyone, etc." I don't agree with it, because it places modern progressive teaching over the Word of God, which is wrong, but it's been here for years and no one has burned it down.

>>153799578
Go to your local church. Ask the pastor what happens to you if you're not in church every Sunday and you don't give 10%. He's not going to say you go to hell.

>>153799619
What’s the point of being Christian if you’re going to disobey the word of God anyways when it’s convenient for you?

>>153796118
>If God is real why bad thing happen?
If God not real why have concept of good and bad?

>>153799653
That you accept the gift of salvation He died for, try your best not to disobey (you will, but it's okay), and you repent of your sinful ways.

>>153799578
>>153799653
Christianity is way more forgiving than you think it is. That's kind of His whole jam, actually.

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>>153799704
Sounds like a really halfassed approach to religion that leads to shit like self-proclaimed Christians going on major news networks and then stumble to find their favorite verses

>>153799782
You're really holding Christians to a high standard. That's good. I was just giving you the basics, though. It gets way deeper. If you're actually curious amd want to go deeper, I'd recommend reading G.K. Chesterton and C.S. Lewis.

>>153799782
>One sentence overview of an entire religion
>SOUNDS REALLY HALFASSED
Anon, are you serious? Are you serious, anon?

>>153799782
Is the problem that Christianity is too strict or that it's too lenient?
Or is the real problem that it exists at all?
>>153799858
This

>>153799673
Humans invented it.
Even if some concept of God really did exist, why would you need him to tell you right from wrong unless you have some kind of brain damage?

>>153799858
I was raised strictly evangelical before it became what it is today. I could recite a shit load of Bible verses and tell you what they mean when I sincerely believed, but the brazen hypocrisy of the church is too much for me to stomach and I can’t lie to myself. Jesus’s main message was to openly call out and reject religious hypocrisy

>>153799920
So your problem is not with Christ, but it's with the decisions and choices of men. Well join the club, brother, just stop taking it out on Him.

>>153799909
Because you need to submit to His definition of what's right and wrong in recognition of your comparatively very limited mortal perspective.

>>153799956
I know more about the Bible than almost everyone I’ve ever met. I’m comfortable with my choices to not believe in it

>>153798039
I cant imagine being so arrogant and self important that I project those qualities into the divine, how do you live with a head that large?

>>153799909
>Humans invented it.
Why?

>>153800014
I don't know you, anon, but I walked away, too. Only came back when I gave up on my own pride. Can't tell you what to do.

>>153800069
To be tortured to death and gain absolutely nothing, apparently.

>>153796193
He is a cartoon. He was literally created by an intelligent designer.

>>153800116
Maybe this was all just anti Seth MacFarlane.

>>153796394
So is "BBW" and "Amateur" so by that logic Meg is hotter.

You will never be a real atheist. You have no logos, no purely critical reason. You engage in ritualistic, superstitious behavior even as you loudly proclaim your absence of any spirituality. After your suicide your parents will write a prayer on your tombstone.

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>>153797806
Christians are pro gays and fucking kids though

>>153800114
To hold to such a philosophy and not act upon it is the worst kind of cowardice.

>>153800232
The only prominent groups in the west that have a mainstream dislike of homosexuals are Christian sects.

>>153800223
"Once people stop believing in God, the problem is not that they will believe in nothing; rather, the problem is that they will believe anything." -CS Lewis

>>153800249
Explain how.

>>153800164
Theres no popular porn subgenre fir homely out of shape middle aged housewives.

>>153796495
>christians invented the concept of not being an asshole

>>153800114
To be liberated from the fear of death. To want absolutely nothing because it's not a gain whatsoever to a future skeleton.

>>153799909
>why would you need him to tell you right from wrong unless you have some kind of brain damage?
So that brain damaged people like you don't go repeating history and try doing that yourself.

>>153800306
Have you ever heard of the parable of Nietzsches Madman?

>>153800289
This is really the crux of why the whole "durr durr you no need god to be good" is such a retarded cope. Even if you don't believe in God or any religion, society is better with an agreed morality system. Removing religion from that decision doesn't free anyone from dogma, it just means that those dogmatic normies will flock to a rewards-based morality and delve into hedonism masked as libertarianism, or an even more dangerous ideology.

>>153800091
It’s been this way for 15 years and I’ve never reconsidered my decision. I know I made the right choice

>>153800315
If you look at the world before 2000 years ago, yeah, they really did. Then if you look at the ratio of assholishness over regions and history, it goes down as Christianity rises. So, unironically, yeah.

>>153800314
"MILF," "mature"
There's a porn genre for pretty much anything involving irl women. You can find physical torture videos out there of women getting their tits nailed without going on TOR. Lois being trashy isn't anything special.

>>153800350
I didn't ask. Why are you trying to convince me?

>>153799782
Was that real?

>>153800376
Keyword "popular"

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>>153800339
Are you really about to quote some western existentialist horseshit when it comes to metaphysics?

>>153800339
Yes. I'm very concerned that if you took thay as an anti-religious work, you might not have understood it.

The atheist position ultimately collapses under its own weight because it lacks a sufficient foundation for the very concepts it relies on, such as logic, morality, and reason. Without God, there is no ultimate standard by which truth, ethics, or rationality can be objectively grounded. The atheist is left appealing to consensus, whether it be the authority of experts or the majority opinion of a culture, but these are contingent and mutable. What is considered "rational" or "moral" today may be overturned tomorrow, and without a transcendent source, there is no fixed reference point to judge between competing systems, nor the possibility of authoritative claims.
If the laws of logic are immaterial, universal, and unchanging, then they cannot arise from a purely material, time-bound, and subjective universe. If reason is a valid pathway to truth, then it must be anchored in something greater than human brains that evolved through random processes for survival, not truth. If moral obligations are real and not merely preferences, they require a moral lawgiver whose nature defines goodness.
In denying God, the atheist still borrows from the Christian worldview to make arguments, trusting in the a priori existence of reason, logic, and objective morality, even while rejecting the only foundation that makes those concepts meaningful. Thus, atheism is internally incoherent. It presupposes the very things that only the existence of God can account for, and in doing so, it affirms what it seeks to deny. Without God, the possibility of intelligible experience itself collapses. Atheism is self-refuting

>>153800399
"Mature" is popular.

>>153800339
>Another community college student who read Nietzsche and took the opposite lesson of what he meant.
He really was the Cassandra of the 19th century.

>>153796118
I can't believe seth really came out swinging with level once atheist tactics.
It works because everyone simply just doesn't read the bible which actually answers every issue if you pay attention to context
The point of being a good Christian is knowing that heaven awaits you and that you should spend your life bringing others to Christ while being the type of person to attract people to him.
Loving, forgiving, helpful, generous, etc.
Those who are evil or hurt and kill Christians just sentence themselves to hell if they don't repent and make up for their evil.
The Christian that was killed gets to be with God sooner.
That is why we have free will, that is why we all have different starting points, that is why no matter what evil you have done you can be forgiven if you actually REPENT.
Repenting means to move away from that sin and actively change your life to never sin that way again it isn't just asking God to forgive you but to make yourself a person God would want to forgive

>>153800365
The world sucked 2000 years ago and sucked all the way after and stll sucks now. Morality existed before Christianity and influenced Christianity more than the other way around (which is why modern Christians tend to rewrite the Bible and omit the parts that are far too barbaric for modern standards). The idea of being a decent person has nothing to do with Christianity and any other specific religion.

>>153800478
Morality and society existed eons before this bronze age perversion called christianity existed.

>>153800403
It's worse than that. The parable is a rhetorical device to dramatize the cultural consequences of the Enlightenment's rejection of traditional religious belief and to urge a re-evaluation of values. It's an affirmation of traditional Christianity as culturally relevant and important.

>>153799484
There are active gay bars where I live

>>153800383
Same reason you’re trying to convince me

>>153800478
>Without God, there is no ultimate standard by which truth, ethics, or rationality can be objectively grounded
there's no standard with god either since people who believe in him all interpret his "standards" differently, practise them selectively and ignore the ones they feel are inconvenient

>>153800563
None of that refutes that society stabilizes and gets better as the rate of Christianity rises in a population.
>The idea of being a decent person has nothing to do with Christianity and any other specific religion.
Yeah, because Christianity rejects the notion that we can be decent people by our own power and asserts we need to give up pur beliefs of right and wrong and submit to God's definitions (which just so happen to work highly well for a prosperous society) crazy, right?

>>153800621
Straight up told you I can't tell you what to do. If you're feeling a convincing push, it ain't me.

Atheists are just not as smart as they think they are

>>153800623
>since people who believe in him all interpret his "standards" differently,
They really don't so long as they affirm the basics found in the Nicene Creed. I run an inter-denominational church security ministry. No matter what denomination I visit, they're all teaching the same core teachings. We haven't had to trigger our heresy clause to separate from a partnered church over heterodox teaching ever. The Christian church is shockingly consistent across denominations.

>>153800223
Men can't get pregnant, you loon.
Maybe lay off the MPreg porn.

>>153800738
You might want to read that meme again and really try to understand what it's saying.

>>153800738
Congrats, you got half the joke.

>>153799920
Your problem is with the religion, not CHRIST
There are plenty of people who actually live much like Christ wants us to but you won't find them here, you have to look for them and they are some pretty nice people who don't piss you off with religious hypocrisy

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>>153800570
>The parable is a rhetorical device to dramatize the cultural consequences of the Enlightenment's rejection of traditional religious belief and to urge a re-evaluation of values
Cool story, we have enough of those stories already though

>>153800563
>The world is just as bad now as 2000 years ago.
The barbarians just kicked down my door, raped and murdered my children and wife and fed my dog a chocolate bar while I was off toiling for the Pharoah. Thursdays, am I right? So close to the weekend.

>>153800639
>None of that refutes that society stabilizes and gets better as the rate of Christianity rises in a population.
I'm sure you've got proof to back up a claim that ambitious
>Yeah, because Christianity rejects the notion that we can be decent people by our own power and asserts we need to give up pur beliefs of right and wrong and submit to God's definitions
The definitions that are conveniently defined and peddled by people in power, are constantly modified to fit in with the modern zeitergeist and aren't even consistent between many different Christianity sects (or even different practioners of the same sect). God doesn't define shit, people in power just use him as a veneer to push their own agendas and that has been the case since the jews came up with proto-Christianity 2000 years ago. Your argument boils down to "people are too dumb to decide what's good or bad, so they need an authority figure larping as a believer to tell them".

>>153800842
>this poster is modern day Nigerian

>>153800842
Sounds like a typical day in UK

>>153800777
I'm a godless heathen and I don't believe men can get pregnant.
Atheism isn't the monolith you've deluded yourself into thinking it is.

Why does a site that is so predominantly anti-jew have so many people larping as supporters of religion invented by jews

>>153796255
Bonnie blows her out of the water with her voice alone.

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>>153800887
People are too dumb to decide what's good or bad, but that doesn't stop them from larping as an authority on the matter and telling you what to do (without God).

>>153796118
but Meg is human, her life is worth more than any number of dogs ever, in fact it's literally illegal to save a dog over a human,.
Brian is just some atheist dog, he's worth absolutely nothing, if you ask me, Meg got all the love of God by being born a human and not a dog.

>>153800887
>I'm sure you've got proof to back up a claim that ambitious
That'd be from a general understanding of human history. Please, please demand I cite a study for you. Just don't forget your fedora.
>The definitions that are conveniently defined and peddled by people in power
Have you ever been in a bible study? Here's how it works, a bunch of people with different bible translations read a passage, comparing translations and word choice, and then offer their interpretations to one another. Usually, study bibles maintain the scholarly consensus and explain the meanings that academics have settled on over the centuries. Everyone compares these things, thinks about them, and internalizes them.
Your theory of a priestly caste jealously guarding and rewriting for their own benefit is fun in a fictional universe, but it in no way reflects church history or actual theological study. I can see how someone who thought that way could be an athiest though, because it's not far off from what I thought when I was a non-believer.

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>>153800997
>Why do so many physicists who are predominately "pro science" have so many people larping as supporters of a theory made up by a Jew who simply redescribed Shabbat?

>>153800960
It's more that atheism provides fertile ground for retarded beliefs like this, not that all atheists believe it. I shouldn't have asked so much of your powers of reasoning. I'm sorry.

>>153800997
Epstein created /pol/. Its about staying blindly loyal and subservient to the worst people to ever mivd

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>>153800960
>I'M the exception, therefore trends don't exist!
Atheists are one of the most leftist demographics out there among mainstream (ir/)religious groups.
Also pic related.

>>153800997
Don't even start with that Israel psyops. The Talmud was written after the New Testament. The people who call themselves "Jewish" today are appropriating their entire identity.

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>>153801138
>Epstein created /pol/.

>>153800997
They're retarded.

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>>153796174
I don't care if a creator is retarded but I resent the fact that a lot of the misinfo people like him and Ricky Gervais said 20 years ago somehow stayed in the zeitgeist and annoying fatasses of today hold those views as facts.

People will look at you straight in the face and tell you Christianity set us back 1000 years while literally every major empire and advanced country in the last 2000 years has been Christian and all the countries who had no major contact with Christianity or rejected it outright turned into shitholes right away.

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>>153801138
>Epstein created /pol/
I wish you secondaries would stop repeating this bullshit.

>>153800887
>people are too dumb to decide what's good or bad, so they need an authority figure larping as an expert to tell them"
Do you remember covid? I remember covid.

>>153800661
Yeah.
And brian used emotional violence and gaslighting rather then reason...
Even though she was happy with her mostly harmless beliefs.
He yook away her spirituality and replaced it with selfhatred and narcissim.

>>153796118
How do they reconcile this with the fact Jesus Christ has literally stayed in their house and he witnessed home enlarge Lois’ breasts?

>>153801303
There's an episode where they're setting up a Christmas tree (iirc), Brian makes a snide comment, and Stewie points out that they had dinner with him just to get Brian to shut up.

What I want to know is how they thought "Meg is ugly wow would loving God do that" in an episode where there's a fourth wall joke very early in (Peter pushes the remote to the audience since it's "a Meg episode," acknowledging "no one will blame you" for switching off), outright pointing out that it's a cartoon that has a team of writers.

>>153801076
>>That'd be from a general understanding of human history.
so you're just talking out of your ass, gotcha
>Your theory of a priestly caste jealously guarding and rewriting for their own benefit is fun in a fictional universe, but it in no way reflects church history or actual theological study
And now let's check how Church looked at, say, evolution, heliocentrism, or at societal things like homesexuality in the past and what it thinks about those things now. I'm sure Church's opinions on these and many other things didn't change even slightly since 2000 years ago

>>153801376
>What I want to know is how they thought "Meg
*What I want to know is how they thought it would be profound to say "Meg

>>153801385
You have a pop culture understanding of Christianity, not an earned, educated perspective. Why should anyone engage with what you're trying to pass of as wisdom?

>>153801213
Is that why the majority of shithole countries nowadays have Christian majority populations?

>>153801544
>no argument

>>153801628
>pearls before swine

>>153801701
>cope

>>153801729
Nope. The Word of the Lord.

>>153801618
You mean countries that Christian missionaries went to after the West became a global influence?

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>>153801219

>>153802107
Like people won't dismiss this because it's AI. (Really it's because it's not what they want to believe, the AI thing is an excuse)

>>153802107
>/pol/ was created before they met
What am I meant to see here?

>>153802475
Literally says it was created 24 hours after, you illiterate nigger

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>>153802107
>Retard cites AI summary of a Wikipedia article
Actually read the screencap in the post you referring to.
Better yet, reread the last sentence your own summary you dumbass.

>>153802498
>Literally says it was created 24 hours after, you illiterate nigger
...What do you think "prior" means?

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>>153802498
>launching it almost 24 hours prior to his unmemorable, chance lunch meeting
>prior to

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>>153799619
>>153799704
>>153799743
>post a bunch of flowery preaching about love and acceptance and forgiveness
>immediately follow it by telling people that step one of your religion is to bow down and grovel because you should be ashamed that you exist, and the religion is the only thing that gives you life value
This is where I lost all hope for the thread.
You can spend hours arguing in circles about metaphysical concepts and whether or not morality exists separately from religion, I just can't care enough to bother anymore.
I see the textbook "feel bad about yourself so I can sell you a cure" cult sales pitch and I'm out.

>>153802598
Yeah, you uh, can't really believe in higher things if you're not willing to admit they're higher than you, anon. You don't get to understand the universe AND get to be the most important thing in it, I'm sorry.

>>153802598
>You lost me when you told me I wasn't the most important thing to ever exist and I needed to submit to what was.
Lucifer's pride over here.

>>153796953
And female fat asses are great.

Brian is just a self righteous prick

>>153796118
Quagmire should rape Brian to death.

>>153796174
>implying he stopped being ever a liberal douche
>Implying he wasn't always a liberal douche

>>153796174
No, it's just Brian. Which is why he's written to be a loser cuck faggot with no backbone, which resonates with many psuedo intellectual atheists, especially the ones on plebbit.

t. not religious

>>153796118
Meg looks exactly like Lois besides being shorter

>>153796118
>it's a meg is apparently ugly episode

>>153800565
>bronze age.
The bronze age ended 1200 years before Christ.
And the morality in question before Christ was rampant bloodshed, murder, theft, sacrifice, rape, and general barbarism. You're dumb.

>>153809932
The religion christinanity devolved from is very very old. Back when jesus was still a black skinned jewish prophet name yashua. The rest if the mythos was syolen from various ancient religions.
Not even modern hell and the devil as a concept is in the bible or its apocrypha.

>>153807360
I'm fairly certain that was part of the original joke, but they pretty much ran with it as being actually true.

>>153810070
>Not even modern hell and the devil as a concept is in the bible or its apocrypha.
>Source: I watched a YouTube video
I've read the bible, anon, Jesus talks of a place of fire where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth multiple times. The lake of fire is even called out explicitly in the final judgment in revelation.
I encourage you to read the bible if you want to talk about it. It will be much easier for you to look smart.

>>153810070
This is like 20% accurate. It's like someone who once skimmed the bible told your friend about it and he told you about it when you were both high.

>>153796174
fpwp

>>153810158
The fire is a litteral volcano where jews sacrificed people to their demon gids.bezelzebub, ur, and..shit.
Anyway thats the lake of fire anon.
In the bible proper you just die, unless yku choose to serve god eterblnally in heaven, then you will be raised up to yhe ekysuan fiel- sorry heaven.

The fanfiction of hell comes from dante.
Satan(litterally an ancient way of saying enemy) never existed.

>>153810321
>The fire is a litteral volcano where jews sacrificed people to their demon gids.bezelzebub, ur, and..shit.
>Anyway thats the lake of fire anon.
>Source: I made it up

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>God knows everything
>Knows everything before he thought about knowing it
>This means he knows how your entire life would go before you were even an idea to him
>Knows the hows and whys
>Sends you to hell anyway, even though he created you and knew about your entire life beforehand

>>153796118
IDGI

>>153796118
Putting aside the futility of trying to debunk God in the first place, the fact that the only "gods not real" arguments they could think of is "If God real then why bad thing happen" or "If God real, why you not sexually pleasing to me" is crazy. Just deeply childish people.

>>153796118
>God isn't real because you are ugly
I am an atheist but this is just retarded.
>>153799484
There are gay bars everywhere in the South.
Literally nobody cares. You even see churches with rainbow flags.

Christianity is one of the more tolerant religions there are.
Now imagine going to Afghanistan and saying "I'm gay." Enjoy your fall off of the roof.

>>153796246
Personally, I think a higher power exists but every religion focuses on a really narcissistic version of what a god is. The universe is too vast for a higher entity to be based on us.

>>153813459
People feel safe shitting on Christianity, because unlike the Jews and the Muslims they don't have to be afraid of getting sued into the ground or being fucking killed.

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>>153810085
The original scene isn't a joke. It's one of those awkward moments from that time where Family Guy stops trying to be funny, puts on sappy orchestra backing, then has a slow zoom-in of a character yapping for two minutes trying to deliver some tone-deaf emotional speech.

>>153807360
It makes it even unintentionally funnier when you remember that Brian had an entire arc of him getting over his boner for Lois, and there was an episode where Meg had a makeover and got treated like the hottest member of the cast.

So not only is it a terrible argument at face value, not only is it a terrible argument to the viewer, but it's also terrible in-universe.

I would go so far as to say that this scene was the second-worst in the entire show because there's layers to how bad it is.

>>153813484
Most Jews are atheists anyway.

>>153796174
notice that all those 00s "new atheists" later became extreme SJWs

Revelation isn't canon

>>153796174
Not only that but so many talking points and arguments, such as OP, literally came from a new sec of Christians that came up in the 80s where their entire philosophy was "If you aren't rich and beautiful then it's because god is punishing you for not loving him enough" so even their atheist rethorics just enforce the idea that you are miserable because you don't believe in god.

>>153797925
>Funny how police racism was topical until basically every department started using body cams and now they demand cameras are banned and crime go unpunished.
It's even funnier too because there have been rumblings of making civilian body and dash cams illegal as well.

>>153813484
christian societies in the 21st century are objectively more civil minded to alternate thought when compared to other religions, even secluar societies like china arent as free minded

>>153799023
I'm not even sure how he can be an atheist when he has literally met both God and Jesus in the show.

>>153801385
>evolution
No evidence and doesn't even stand up to scrutiny such as irreducible complexity
>heliocentrism
The church (the real church not papism) was never against this.
>homosexuality
Are you gay or something? Fag.

>>153811067
He works all things for the good of His elect

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>>153801154
>uhh sorry chuddy. Doesn't matter if only a hand full are ok, the majority are bad so that means everyone is bad!

>>153811067
That's a common misinterpretation. It's not that god is literally all knowing of the future, but is all knowing of your true intentions and secrets. I can't really blame you though because even modern Christians think this bullshit too.

>>153816024
So...he guesses? Damn. I can guess too! Guess I'm as powerful as god!

>>153815939
>If you stick your penis in one of these 10 holes, 9 will chop it off and 1 will give you a semi-decent stroking
>Why are you walking away, coward? Stop letting the 9 distract you from the 1!

>>153816043
>Knowing anything is the same as guessing
You're literally just projecting your own retardation on everyone you know.

>>153816102
>Knows only some things
>Claims to be all powerful
>Clearly isnt

>>153816024
>It's not that god is literally all knowing of the future, but is all knowing of your true intentions and secrets.
Interesting, it's not often that I hear metaphorical interpretations of the Christian Bible. Christianity as a whole always felt like a tangled web of confusion.

>>153816114
Not only is that not what the anon in >>153816024 was saying, but that point is moot. Who are you quoting anyway?

>>153801385
>And now let's check how Church looked at, say, evolution, heliocentrism, or at societal things like homesexuality in the past
Yeah, you should check that because you're spouting retarded uneducated bullshit

Even funnier, the whole "church was a big meanie that hated science and teh gays" opinion was given to you by the same people who think the world is 6000 years old and that D&D was made by satan
But you gobble up their stupid propaganda because it aligns with your already stupid anti-church bias

>>153816133
>Interesting, it's not often that I hear metaphorical interpretations of the Christian Bible. Christianity as a whole always felt like a tangled web of confusion.
You're probably american from the looks of things. What you call "christianity" is a bootleg cult made up by some tards in 16th century
They are infamous for their shitty "interpretations" of the bible, spin-doctoring and general douchebaggery
If you want to learn about actual Christianity then please talk to Catholics or Orthodox or even better, both

Only the gayest of all creatures would think a big butt is not sexy on a woman.
>ugly
She's just a shorter version of her mom with glasses, and her mom is played up to be the hottest piece of ass in the show. I get it it's played for laughs, but it's not convincing or funny.

>>153816928
>You're probably american
That's a shame, I've heard stories that our first settlers were either British prisoners or puritanical cult members. Guess that explains why the Pope's Italian.

>>153816988
>Guess that explains why the Pope's Italian.
The current one was born in Chicago actually

>>153817034
KEK, he's probably got one hell of an accent.

>>153816976
Brian actually fucked a tranny and didn't realize it until afterwards.

>>153796118
the most nortubel episode of family guy

>>153796174
Brian is right and you're just a brainlet for thinking otherwise.

>>153816988
>puritanical cult members
The fact that the Purtians were hated by the fundamentalists for being too fundamental will never cease to amuse me

>>153796118
Because this isn't heaven Brian. Perhaps the ideas of what God is in your head aren't true. No words i can say will ever change your mind. You will only learn though personal experience. You have been lied to so many times that now you can't trust anything. It's just who you are. A good person can forgive you for your flaws and except you. Everyone is fucked up and that includes you.

>>153807320
Brian used to be Seth's self-insert the cool, liberal, smart, atheist, rational, ladies-man.

It was later in the series that he got turned into a stupid douchebag loser.

This transformation was an upgrade, btw.

>>153816988
Fun Fact: there has never been an Irish pope, however there has been one English Pope; Hadrian IV in 1154.
>>153817034
I think that makes him the second Pope from an English speaking country in all history come to think of it.

>>153801213
>religion things god invented reality but cant prove it
>science this reality formed from natural physical stuff but cant prove it
well shit... take your pick i guess. kek.

>>153817808
This is what happens when you kill off philosophy.

>>153796174
Seth's beef with religion is fun. When he was a kid he had comic strip published in his small town newspaper and a catholic priest got mad at one of his strips and got him canceled.

>>153815441
i prefer the "hot meg" from another timeline without religion.

>>153817872
Why is it always like that with those people?
>I MUST destroy this 2 millenia old church because when i was 12 a priest said that my favourite death-metal band "The Scrotal Lozenge" was a bad influence on kids. I WILL HAVE MY REVENGE

>>153817988
destroy, huh?

>>153811067
>>Sends you to hell anyway, even though he created you and knew about your entire life beforehand
You missed the part where at any point you could have chosen to do what He says. It's almost like the how's and whys of what we decide to do are unimportant of they're not in accordance with God's will and that determinism is a crock of shit.

>>153816928
Anglicans can also claim apostolic succession, but stay away from mainline anglicanism/episcopalianism since they've abandoned Christianity for progressive ideology. Go with the ACNA or GAFCON if you're not American.

>>153811067
That's double predestination, which is really just a Calvinism thing.

>>153805836
He stopped writing Family Goy

>>153818168
If God already knows what you'll do, where's the choice?
At best, choice would be just an illusion.

>>153818377
You can know what choice a person will make without influencing the choice

>>153818377
Just because someone else knows what you're going to do doesn't mean you're not making the choice to do it. If I set a bait car knowing a car thief will come along and try to steal it, did I give him no choice? Of course not, every single person could have chosen not to steal that car. Likewise we could all choose to follow God instead of ourselves.

>>153818168
>You missed the part where at any point you could have chosen to do what He says.
What about people who were never exposed to God's word yet still managed to live a life as close to God's expectations as possible? It's fucked up that those who missed the boat due to being born on the other side of the world and unable to heed the gospel are just screwed despite, allegedly, doing everything right.
>It's almost like the how's and whys of what we decide to do are unimportant of they're not in accordance with God's will
What's that supposed to mean?

>>153818689
The problem arises in that as a creation of God your personality characteristics etc were determined by him, including your propensity to steal cars (or whatever bad thing). Being an active creator operating with intent removes the ability to treat him as purely an observer

>>153818891
I mean most of the morality in the Bible is pretty universal despite what modern thinkers would have you believe
You could take commandments 5 through 10 to at culture on the planet and they agree.
Commandments 1 through 4 have to do with honoring the divine which is also pretty universal.

>>153818982
>your personality characteristics etc were determined by him
"you don't get it officer, i stole that car because God gave me the carjacker gene!"

>>153818982
You're doing everything you can to escape the fact that despite your proclivities, you are still 100% responsible for every action you choose to take. Me, I'm personally inclined to do nothing but goo and smoke weed all day, but I choose not to.

>>153818997
That was kind of my point, if people can derive good principles and adhere to them without following Christian gospel or even being aware of it, that should be good enough, choosing it because God said so isn't necessary.

>>153820087
Judging by civilization's historical increase in peace proportional to its increase in Christian values, I'd sure say it helps.

>>153820087
>people can derive good principles and adhere to them without following Christian gospel
but they usually dont

>>153820391
>Inb4 proof!?!?!
20th century Russia, China, Cambodia, and every other nation that explicitly rejected religion entirely devolved to killing en masse very rapidly.
Historically, Jewish and Muslim nations have their own unique brands of evil. Then you have pagan cultures like India and the Aztecs and do I even really need to say it?

>>153820142
If views on morality were as universal as stated in >>153818997, then the number of Christians wouldn't matter because those morals predate and exist independently of the Christian faith. Most people like the concept of peace because most people don't look forward to getting murdered, not because of Christian values. That's like saying that there was a historical increase in peace proportional to the increase in amount of people that wear jeans, utterly retarded.
>>153820391
Most Christians cheat, lie, covet, steal, and in rarer cases, kill, just like anyone else.

>>153822124
>Most people like the concept of peace because most people don't look forward to getting murdered, not because of Christian values.
Explain the Aztecs.

>>153816082
Nice strawman there farmer jackoff

>>153822124
When wearing jeans explicitly demands that you adhere to tenants that bring peace and prosperity your little midwit false equivalency might have an ounce of truth.

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>>153816043
Are you just stupid or retarded?

>>153822124
>Most Christians cheat, lie, covet, steal, and in rarer cases, kill, just like anyone else
Charitable giving, hospitals, international outreach, and general volunteer fields are dominated by Christians and it's not even close. You're a faggot with an axe to grind. What was it? Did mommy and daddy make you go to church as a kid and that's literally oppressive?

>>153796174
seth doesnt write these episodes and he doesn't hold the opinion of every character he voices just because they used to be more grounded and demure. even by this time brian is saying things he'd never have said in the first couple seasons.

>>153822361
No it's a reductio ad absurdum you midwit faggot, and a valid one at that.
>>153815939 is a strawman

>>153822124
>That's like saying that there was a historical increase in peace proportional to the increase in amount of people that wear jeans
If there was, and jeans preached peace, you would have a point. What you're saying is as stupid as saying that nutritional science doesn't matter because people CAN eat healthy anyway, and over time food as a whole has gotten better, with some nice historical projection that your modern sensibilities for food are what people thousands of years ago held.
TLDR nice false equivalence retard.

>>153816928
Catholics aren't any better at it either anon. Specially American Catholics. They are even more retarded and take all spiritual text from any book as literal as it can get.

>>153799484
I know people in Texas that support or are part of the LGBT community and while they say they don't like the religious side of things down there, they do still exist and live down there. They're not being run out of town with pitchforks. There's just always going to be differing views on anything controversial.

>>153799484
I'm from Michigan and you get more shit for yell it than you do down in Texas.

>>153820559
This is such a laughably selective view of history that you may as well start lecturing me about the white man's burden.
I'm sure those natives that Columbus and his men brutalized and enslaved were really happy about the positive impact Christians had on their lives as they were being worked to extinction in a gold mine.

>>153823037
Those people went from living under fear that Aztecs would invade, rape and murder their women, and take them back to Tenochtitlan to have their hearts cut out to not living like that. The lie that Columbus enslaved people is built on a flash translation. He said they'd make good servants of Christ, not good slaves. https://www.columbusedproject.org/post/debunking-columbus-was-a-slave-owner-and-slave-trader

>>153823037
>I'm sure those natives that Columbus and his men brutalized and enslaved were really happy about the positive impact Christians had on their lives as they were being worked to extinction in a gold mine.
The lefties who spread this lie never provide any proof. To them, the idea of a white man being evil towards brown people is its own evidence.

>>153823121
>Those people went from living under fear that Aztecs would invade, rape and murder their women, and take them back to Tenochtitlan to have their hearts cut out to not living like that.
Yeah because they weren't alive anymore.
Your claims about Columbus are, at most, only correct by technicality in the sense that the atrocities were still happening according to your own link and Columbus maybe sent someone a strongly worded letter about it.

>>153823145
That's a really funny thing to say, given that the link in the post directly above yours is defending Columbus and still doesn't actually deny what happened to the natives.

>>153822238
The Aztecs were a hyperaggressive, expansionist, and cruel empire with a religion that demanded human sacrifice and pain, taking advantage of their relatively weaker neighbors. Human history never lacked in that department, but they were cruel by any standard.
>>153822410
Demands of the faith versus practice of it that greatly varied throughout history.
>>153822502
>Charitable giving
Almsgiving has historical precedence in existing in other forms that predate Christianity.
>hospitals
Predate Christianity.
>international outreach
It's a business, the business is conversion, local smaller Christian groups have much larger Christian beneficiaries and are generally better funded and more capable of receiving support.
>general volunteer fields are dominated by Christians and it's not even close
Because they have a lot more money and official/unofficial backing to commit their resources to these efforts. Predominately Christian countries just have more to give because they generally have more people that can afford to give, period.
>You're a faggot with an axe to grind.
No love like Christian love, I guess.
>What was it? Did mommy and daddy make you go to church as a kid and that's literally oppressive?
Former Catholic, the worst I can say about my religious upbringing is that was boring and relatively uneventful. I just got sick of seeing a bunch of hypocrites trying to fingerwag and wax about morality to myself and others while being some of the biggest degenerates ever or supporting the biggest degenerates ever, so I decided to focus on trying to be a good person without direct association. My volunteer groups have a good mix of agnostics, atheists, and religious individuals, turns out that people who want to do good will do good no matter the affiliation, which is why I look at people funny who believe good can't be accomplished without religion.

>>153823405
Are you the same retard from several threads ago that was arguing that Native Americans never committed any warfare and genocide before white people arrived?

>>153823534
No, and I'd say that guy is a retard too. I don't pretend genocides didn't happen for the sake of expedience one way or the other.
If you want to hear about christians committing white-on-white crimes as well, we can talk about how England caused the Irish potato famine by stealing their food in the middle of a potato blight, causing so many Irish to either starve to death or flee the country that to this day Ireland's population is still about 3 million shorter than it was prior to the potato blight.

>>153797716
Agnostics don't believe in anything.
Atheists very adamantly and staunchly believe in nothing.

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>>153823443 #
>Predate Christianity.
"Technology and production predates the Industrial Revolution, therefore the Industrial Revolution wasn't important!"

>Predominately Christian countries just have more to give because they generally have more people that can afford to give, period.
This is why it's important to look at the per-capita figures. Spoilers: the religious tend to give more percent-wise.
https://emerge-bristol.co.uk/which-religion-is-the-most-charitable-real-data-on-faith-based-giving-and-volunteering
https://www.hoover.org/research/religious-faith-and-charitable-giving
This shouldn't be surprising since secular beliefs give no real incentive to give and prioritize the individual.

>No love like Christian love, I guess.
Tranny phrase

>which is why I look at people funny who believe good can't be accomplished without religion.
"Can be" is not "is," and I'm bored of seeing you fags argue these kinds of hypotheticals, and you should realize that this makes your side worse. You are implying that secular donations are a reflection of your personal goodness rather than a transactional aspect of a faith-based reward system, but in turn you donate less. You want us to judge you by your actions instead of (lack of) faith, but then you turn around and give less on actions. You say you "can" do good, showing that you choose not to! It's such a retarded platitude that you retards keep bringing up, never thinking about it, because you dumb fucks never think about your arguments.

>>153796118
I don't understand this meme about meg looking like peter, she looks identical to lois just fat.

>>153823443
>No love like Christian love, I guess.
Christians have to be nice to me when I'm being an axe-grinding faggot.
Common misconception. Christ never said to be nice. He said don't hate and forgive people for being retards, not to not tell them they're retarded.

>>153823713
Did they do that because of the Irishmen's religion a la Stalin persecuting Christians deliberately, or is this another false equivalence?

>>153823713
The potato famine was caused by landlords making the country so poor that they could only afford one crop.
I don't get how a leftiefag would misrepresent a mass starvation directly caused by LANDLORDS.

>>153797716
They believe nothing existed before the universe, not even the void the universe floats in.
They believe the entire universe comes from nothing.
They believe matter comes from nothing.
They believe life comes from nothing.
They believe consciousness comes from nothing.
They believe earth just happens to float in the zone where it isn't too hot or cold by complete random.
They believe earth originally was a magma planet that was struck by a massive asteroid that turned earth into a stable rock planet with a Moon that is the only known moon in the universe that is 400 times smaller than the sun and 400 times closer allowing perfect eclipses to happen and that slowed down the earh rotation to be as we know it, all that at complete random.
They believe asteroid full of oxygen just happen to land on earth mixing with the hydrogen in the atmosphere creating water by accident.
They believe the ground and water mixing and the volcanic activity created the continents by accident.
They believe microbe manifested in the water from the volcanic activity by accident.
They believe that microbes evolved into complex life forms by accident.
They believe the dinosaurs roamed earth for 500 million years and and an asteroid that wipe them all out just happen to not kill the ancestor of all mammals including us.
They believe the world went through several world ending events but everytime the right species so we'd be here survived.
They believe our monkey ancestors just so happen to develop a brain complex enough to make consciousness happen.

They believe all this crap happen by complete chance, at random and they believe that the people that believe a deity did all that are stupid.

Atheists are just as bad as hardcore fundamentalist Christians. They are people who are so convinced of their moral and intellectual superiority that they feel a need to "correct" others. They flaunt their egos and are completely intolerant of the fact that there are human beings on this planet who don't have the same belief systems as they do.

These days, there are more and more people who identify as "secular" rather than "atheist". A "secular" individual is less likely to be particularly inclined to divulge that aspect of themselves unless directly asked. Atheists, on the other hand, rub their atheism in your face, much like hardcore fundamentalist Christians.

>>153823861
Well the English generally saw Irish people as subhuman at the time, but Ireland being predominantly catholic instead of protestant certainly didn't help.
At any rate, take your false equivalence and shove it up your ass. Every genocide is committed for worldly political/economic reasons, religious differences are only ever an excuse because organized religion is just another political/economic entity. The end result is the genocides happen, christianity or no.

>>153824026
That was a contributing factor, I'm sure, but the potato blight was happening in England too and they just didn't starve because they had Ireland's food.

>>153796385
you mean like the episode where he depicted white southerns from South Carolina going to Africa to capture slaves?

>>153796742
Proved his point right away

>>153797806
>How do I make this about my boogeymen?

>>153824087
I don't think you realize how many planets there are in the known universe for life to potentially form on.

>>153824197
>Ireland's food.
Ireland didn't have any food. That's why they starved. The only food the English "took" from the Irish was potatoes, because that was more or less the only thing they grew.
Why did they pretty much only grow potatoes?
A mixture of poor soil, poor economy, and literally not being allowed to grow anything else in some cases.
Ireland wasn't a breadbasket to the UK. It was a backup work/fighting force, and in the case of the former, only the city dwellers mattered to the UK.

>>153824367
>Forget about Atheism+!

>>153824197
>because they had Ireland's food.
Correct.
Because of the landlords.

>>153824429
Nothing in my post has anything to do with that, im highlighting then complete absurdity of believing there is no intelligent creator and everything happens at complete random.
And as for alien life that only reinforces my point because everything i said also happen in other planets and atheist would still believe that's random.

>>153819686
Genuinely I don't know how you can just refuse to engage with this, if God made you and you can't make a choice he didn't know you'd make at the moment he created you you cannot have free will, you're just playing out the script

>>153824544
My point is things stop being random when there's a practically unlimited number of slot machine pulls for them to happen.
I don't know why you're bringing up aliens.

>>153824559
Why are calvinists always so ass-backwards with this shit

>>153824988
>God is omnipotent and omniscient
>therefore God knows who is going to go to heaven and who will go to hell based on the choices they make even before he made them
>People make choices largely based on their personality and circumstance, which God has assigned them via creation
>God has no limitations in the creation process; he can give personality and circumstances to anyone he wants that will create favorable or unfavorable outcomes
>therefore, all of our “choices” are downstream of the choices God made during creation

I feel like not believing in predestination requires you to just cover your eyes and pretend not to see

Omnipotence includes the ability to limit your own omnipotence btw.

>>153825148
>which God has assigned them via creation
>he can give personality and circumstances to anyone he wants that will create favorable or unfavorable outcomes
This nigga thinks God is playing The Sims
Like, i get that you need to blame someone for being a gigantic faggot but seriously dude

>>153825148
>people don't make choices contrary to their nature
Yeah, they do.

>>153825628
>and circumstance
Or what you think people just act completely at random?

>>153824559
That's not how it works. Having your choice be known beforehand does not invalidate that you acted on it, it just means the one making the prediction knows you.
Let's take an extreme case. Your mother could have intrusive thoughts about killing you. If this occurs, will she?

>>153796118
>and give you a fat ass?
i miss when people would treat big asses as disgusting and unfavorable, as opposed to retards just constantly spamming the ugliest flabbiest shit imagineable, talking about huffing ass and wanting to get their face sat on and flabby asscheeks clapping together and twerking

>>153825686
I think people can choose anything they want in any given moment, and I think you know it and agree.

>>153796174
Atheists don't persecute other religions (retaliation for historical wrongs is not persecution)