This show is now the basis for all future Star Wars.This was the first thing Filone did under Disney, it was also the first thing he did for Star Wars without Lucas giving him notes, so it's obviously special to him, and he'll put a part on it in every future project now that he's in power at Lucasfilm.But is that a good or a bad thing?
>>153803562>But is that a good or a bad thing?bad Rebels sucked
>>153803562It's legitimately awful. It had like 5 good episodes, and most of those were about the characters from George's Clone Wars. Remove Ahsoka, Maul, Vader, Kenobi, Rex, and the show suddenly has fucking nothing. All of its OCs are terrible, and the concepts it introduced are awful. Time travel, space and time traversing giant wolves, hyperspace whales, goofy ass jobber Inquisitors with helicopter lightsabers, Imperials being incompetent clowns. It's insultingly bad. And it looks like shit and is animated like shit. Legit slop for 7 year olds from DisneyXD channel. Everything that shows up from Rebels in other shows sucks. Inquisitors are always lame and gay. Live-action Ahsoka show, which is just Rebels S5 is total garbage that character assassinated Ahsoka. The revisionism surrounding this show is a psyop. People who say it's better than anything are insane, and were toddlers when this shit aired.
>>153803701For me, rebels was at it's weakest when they were bringing outside stuff like Ahsoka, Maul and even Thrawn, they sacrificed a lot of time developing the characters to bring in outside characters.they still developed them, Season 1 Ghost crew are a bunch of retards that are constantly nearly dying because one of them gets pissy and fucks a whole operation by throwing a tantrum, this got better over time.
>>153803701whats funny is that matt minchovetz is hard carrying the inquisitorsshadow lord, fallen order, all things he wrote which makes the inquisitors intimidatingfiloni written inquisitors are just lame like in ToTJ and Ahsoka
The Fifth Brother is a joke in Rebels, he's always with the Seventh Sister and even together they can't manage to kill any of the Ghost crew, i think even Zeb get's the best of him one time, but somehow, in this book, he very nearly kills Cal Kestis and Cere Junda, on his own.Cal is only saved by Greez throwing himself in front of a lightsaber and losing his arm in the process.And this is Cal after he defeated the Second and Ninth Sister.
>>153803995we don't talk about this novel
>>153803562I'm just tired of so many Jedi conveniently surviving order 66 but not doing jack shit to help Luke.
>>153804191I mean, Rebels is by far the least offensive when it comes to that, since Kana dies, Ahsoka get's trapped in the world between worlds and Ezra gets sent to another galaxy, all way before Luke ever leaves Tatooine.I think the Ahsoka show should explain what the fuck Baylon Skol was doing during the war agaisnt the Empire.
>>153803995Kanan is that much better
>>153804662Kanan is extremely inconsistant, he goes from being useless to ultimate jedi to being useless again, to the point Freddie Prinze Jr. had to explain that Kanan has moments where he's "extremely connected to the force", basically the explanation is that the Force, i.e. Filoni, wants him to win.Cal is much more consistent, you can see his growth in the games, and it's all properly explained.
>>153805203he btfo'd maul blind
>>153803562>But is that a good or a bad thing?A good thing because despite what was stacked against it before it came out, it turned out a great show and one of the best pieces of Star Wars content ever made.
>>153805274only because of the sea of shit that came after
>>153804648>Ahsoka get's trapped in the world between worlds*Malachor.>>153804648>I think the Ahsoka show should explain what the fuck Baylon Skol was doing during the war agaisnt the Empire.Not being a Jedi. His dialogue in the Ahsoka show very clearly hints he ceased being a Jedi not long after the Clone War. He's been a mercenary since.
>>153805218maul is a bum
it's kinda funny how most of the canon Order 66 survivors are at most, one two degrees of separation away from the Jedi Council.Ahsoka was trained by Anakin, Kana by Depa Billaba, and Cal was padawan to Jaro Tapal, who was padawan to Yaddle.I wouldn't be surprise if in the next season of Ahsoka, it's revealed that Baylon Skol was padawan to Ki Adi-Mundi, or Kid Fister or fucking Yarael Poof.
>>153803650>>153803701/thread
>>153805975>it's kinda funny how most of the canon Order 66 survivors are at most, one two degrees of separation away from the Jedi Council.Starring ones, at least. Most of the ones we've seen have no relation to the council. Nevertheless I've noticed it too. It doesn't bother me, to be honest. It kind of makes sense to me that among those that survived are those who were trained by the cream of the crop of the Jedi Order of the time.>it's revealed that Baylon Skol was padawan to Ki Adi-Mundi, or Kid Fister or fucking Yarael Poof.Ki-adi? Sure, I could see that. Fisto already had a padawan who got killed by Grievous. Poof died between TPM and AoTC, and Skoll is clearly of Anakin's age bracket so it wouldn't have been him.
>>153803701>>153806006People tend to forget that all the inquisitors died right in the same two episode arch where the flying sabers were introduced.I think Filoni was done with the inquisitors and wanted to focus on Thrawn, but I really wishe he had given them jetpacks to dart around Malachor instead of this bullshit.
>>153805975Poof couldn't have trained anyone he was busy going for the pizzas
Inquisitors as a concept, from the beginning, and in anything since, are lame and gay. Yes, in Maul show too. Everything that originated in Rebels is fucking stupid and lame. None of those concepts and characters will escape the stink of originating in a shitty toddler DisneyXD show.
>>153806259question: how involved was filoni in kenobi?
>>153806259Kenobi is the only Disney Wars show I can say was made with hatred for Star Wars, it has Last jedi levels of "I hate Star Wars and think I can do better".Not even the Acolyte is like, I think that one was just Leslie "Square"Headland wanting to do a lesbian witch show and having to mold it around Star Wars because Kennedy was the only one willing to hire her.
>>153806259They completely ruin the idea of Vader spending years hunting the remaining Jedi. Did the EU ever establish how many years Vader spent hunting Jedi until he couldn't find anymore? 10 years bby? 5?
>>153807002>Did the EU ever establish how many years Vader spent hunting Jedi until he couldn't find anymore?No. And he barely did that either. Best the EU offered was that he found a den of Jedi once and killed them all. Outside of that, him Jedi hunting was even more scarce than what he's doing in Star Wars.
>>153803995>Sam Maggs
>>153807002The Marvel Darth Vader comics, which are supposed to be canon, show him hunting jedi fro years, along with his inquisitors, until the emperor says there are so few jedi left they aren't worth his time.it's also incredible pathetic how the inquisitors are "jedi hunters' but we never actually see one of them kill a jedi, it's always Vader, in the comics and even in the Maul show.Trilla and the ninth sister brag about killing Jedi to Cal on Fallen order, but I think they were straight up lying.
>more cgi sar wars slop*yawn*
>>153809434>moreDude, this is almost as old as TFA
>>153807002Inquisitors were a repurposed EU concept from one of those video games that Rogue One yeeted out of existence
>>153807002>>153808131inquisitors are hounds, Vader is the hunter. They sniff out the Jedi for him, he goes in for the kill
>>153803562I dislike this show because the "Rebels" title was more appropriate for Andor. The actual Rebels series we got should have just been called "Ghost" or something because it mainly followed a single rebel cell.
>>153806835Basically not at all. He and Favreau were both like George was to the EU.Deborah Chow showed stuff to them, they were like "cool." or "hey you should use the inquisitors" but otherwise they were not involved.
>>153803562Introducing time travel is an atrocious idea.
>>153810359it's closed causal loop time travel, the same shit Harry Potter had. Like one of the least offensive types of time travel to introduce in a franchise that is otherwise not about time travel.You can't change the past you can just cause it to happen because you always caused it to happen.
>>153810390That's still stupid, why put time travel into a series like this in the first place, predestination as a concept in a franchise that has nothing to do with it is retarded.
>tfw everyone thought Filoni would retcon the ST with the time travel shit
>>153810492I didn't. I always knew they were never gonna do shit like that.
>>153803701What's wrong with hyperspace whales?
>>153803562Rebels sucks because you can tell that Filoni fundamentally does not understand the space FANTASY aspects of Star Wars or the pulpy sci-fi influences. Star Wars is Lensmen + Barsoom + Dune + The Hobbit + The Wizard of Oz + Jack Kirby's New Gods (and plenty of other comic books) with Buddhism and Christianity and New Age philosophy as influences. Flash Gordon and Kurosawa and various westerns/detective movies and pulp hero serials are influences, but notably secondary.Disney-Filoni's Star Wars is missing how the IP is meant to be a pulpy fairy tale space opera. It is supposed to be a simple story of Good vs Evil, a romantic and idealistic story, a mythic story that draws parallels with history in the past and in the current making.There is NONE OF THAT in whatever Filoni and Disney are making.
>>153811197>Rebels sucks because you can tell that Filoni fundamentally does not understand the space FANTASY aspects of Star Wars or the pulpy sci-fi influences.That's a weird take because he's the one who has consistently shown that he does, in fact, understand that. Now you take a fag like Tony Gillroy, the shit he put out is what lacks that. Less so because he doesn't understand it and moreso that he flat out rejects it. So much so that the staff behind Andor had to outright go behind his back to incorporate it wherever they could.
>>153811345I disagree. Filoni's Star Wars is clearly more evocative of the stuff he grew up with during his childhood and young adulthood (80s and 90s media). It's a similar problem that the KOTOR games have where the people making it grew up with Star Wars and enjoy fantasy and sci-fi, they understand that Star Wars is sci-fantasy, but they do not have a deeper and well-rounded background in what inspired Star Wars or a commitment in honoring what Lucas made. If anything, Rebels and the KOTOR stuff are proof that if you invite Star Wars fans to make official Star Wars stuff, they'll just end up plugging their own fanfiction rather than anything that fits the spirit of the IP.
>>153811345Exactly. Ahsoka, while not a perfect show by any means, was really solid and was pure space opera-y goodness
>>153807002>They completely ruin the idea of Vader spending years hunting the remaining JediI never got the impression he was doing that most of the time. The empire has so many resources that vader is wasted on things like that, I always felt that he was the guy who did exactly what he thought someone should make politicians should do in Attack of the Clones - threaten or kill people he thought were fucking with the Imperial machine or were blocking it. Star Wars media has this obsession with making stormtroopers dumb but enough of them together could kill a jedi. Or specialized squads could. People forget that even fucking b1s could kill a jedi with enough of them.The 3d Clone Wars was a mixed bag and I think Star Wars died and started sucking around then. Mortis shit, the chips, a lot of the really dumb shit I don't like started around then
>>153811507My main issue with Ahsoka is that Filoni wants to evoke the feeling of his childhood experiences watching Star Wars (but with his OCs) rather than go the extra mile and immerse himself in the books and cultural influences that inspired Star Wars or take an interest in other space opera fiction.Imagine a Star Wars story inspired by Cobra, Valerian, the Incal, Gerry Anderson, Gatchaman, Captain Harlock, Galactic Heroes, Starship Troopers, Dr Who, etc. Imagine a Gnostic or Sikh Star Wars story that pulls from Wuxia and Xianxia, etc.>>153811608Mortis is just really dumb. Force Entities/Gods are not a bad idea but the Father/Son/Daughter crap was ridiculous and shows that Filoni DOES NOT UNDERSTAND THE DARK SIDE either as Lucas defined it or what the EU was gradually building up towards (something natural that you have to shake off)they need to knock it the fuck off with "muh balance", it's a misconception of what the Dark Side is or the relationship it has with the Force>Lucas: the Dark Side is the shadow of the Force, a cancer that corrupts and perverts, abusing the Force literally causes you to get ugly and nasty, and the end of the Sith was the end of the Dark SideThe Force is meant to be God/Nirvana/Brahma/collective life energy in Shinto. The Dark Side is selfishness-sin-bad karma, both Chaos and Tyranny. The way of the Jedi is Christlike/Buddha-nature.
>>153811488>Filoni's Star Wars is clearly more evocative of the stuff he grew up with during his childhood and young adulthoodThere's certainly elements of that in there. Which is by no means a bad thing. But he has shown he understands George's original influences and utilizes them accordingly. Which is unsurprising considering he was taught how to make Star Wars by George himself. Rebels cemented my faith in him because it was the first thing he did without George and he delivered when I had very low expectations for Star Wars without George. And to this day that faith has not gone unrewarded as he's always delivered on good Star Wars content.The only thing that he doesn't deliver on is making things sexy when it's okay to do so. But that doesn't bother me so much because I've never been attracted to Star Wars for sex appeal. That's a total me thing because I've been into SW for so long that it's like a sibling. I'm just incapable of looking at it that way.>It's a similar problem that the KOTOR gamesThat wasn't unique to the KoTOR games. That was Legends as a whole. One of the many, many reasons why Legends sucked was that they never took any of George's influences into consideration.
>>153811696>Force Entities/Gods are not a bad idea but the Father/Son/Daughter crap was ridiculous and shows that Filoni DOES NOT UNDERSTAND THE DARK SIDE either as Lucas defined it or what the EU was gradually building up towardsDave's not responsible for that. George is. He created Mortis and the Anchorites. And Mortis was based.
>>153803701Nothing wrong with the spin sabers.You know lightsabers aren't actually swords, right? But they're treated like them? They do all the things like them?You know the spinsaber isn't a copter right? But it's treated like one? Does things like one?It's the same shit, caring about a new gadget in a lightsaber make you look stupid. Did you cry and piss yourself over Maul's saber? You should have if this bothers you that much. The fact there's different lightsaber tech out there is neat and you're objectively a dumbass. You've no taste at all and can't recall the original films for shit.
>>153803562Why did he sideline Ezra in the Ahsoka show and make Sabine force sensitive out of nowhere? Was that Crazy KK femtard mandate or was it Filoni's true vision? Also turning Sabine and Ezra in to sexless platonic friends was DUMB. They had so much tension building up in rebels and audiences would care more about these characters if there was romance between them. They turned Ezra in to Sabine's asexual cheerleader not-gay best friend.
>>153811743then what the fuck was George thinking then when Mortis contradicts the metaphysics laid out in the OT and the PT movies while also not being compatible with whatever the fuck the pre-Clone Wars EU was doing"Balance in the Force" means the end of the Sith and the Dark Side. It can't be some weird Daoist-Christian (Gnostic?) conception of a natural harmony between Good and Evil because Mortis doesn't offer any complexity to the Dark Side, either.Did Lucas forget that he could have made it make sense by just reading up more on Buddhism and Daoism so things would go full circle with how the EU and Filoni characterized the Jedi as corrupt?>Jedi Order and Sith are selfish, Qui Gon and Luke (as well as Yoda and Anakin and Obi Wan upon death) were selfless, hence harmony in the Force and the Force Ghost stuff
>>153811696>Force Entities/Gods are not a bad ideaI disagree. The whole point of "the force" is that it is an equalizer for all life forms in a way. Having deities completely undermines that because it essentially means that Sheev and the Sith are right in a way and that such a power can be influenced on a petty mortal level since they have literal personifications and personal motives. Force ghosts are fine because to be one you have to basically never interact with the mortal realm in a direct way and be "passive" so they are of no use there and are merely guides, but deities are just stupid in the context of the force.
>>153811696Nah, even Lucas had Sith coming back in his sequel trilogy. He didn't hold to the "Sith are destroyed forever" bullshit he once said. That was just a fairy tale notion.If you actually know Star Wars then you know the galaxy the stories take place in is FULL of Sith artifacts of all sorts. Also there's no way Vader and Palpatine were the last, no Sith ever left the galaxy or existed in hiding? Nah, they can return at any time because of the multitude of artifacts and real living being continuing their tradition. Some of the artifacts are essentially pseudo-alive and some are 1:1 copies of people even. You have no argument if you really think the Sith could ever be gone, you're just dumb and want that fairy tale because Lucas said it once but you ignore literally everything else INCLUDING Lucas that shows it's not the case.You might have your own ideas of how things should be, but you're clueless and outvoted. There's Sith stuff everywhere in the galaxy, and outside no doubt as well.
>>153811834The Clone Wars was a jumble of retcons and schizo shit. Some parts are good like Umbara, but man there is a lot of shit that is awful
>>153811834like I don't mind the Dark Side being natural but it's hard to buy it as such when almost every fucking Dark Side user is a satanic shitbag instead of introducing heroic Dark Side users like imagine Spawn or The Shadow or Ghost Rider in Star Wars, good guy edgelords, etc.>>153811840I disagree considering the fact that East Asian religions were a notable influence on Lucas. The Jedi are basically Space Buddhists and Buddhism does not shy away from the existence of deities, only acknowledging that they are not eternal and eventually reincarnate like all things do. Even the whole Force Ghost concept is ripped straight from various schools of Buddhism talking about how to preserve your own consciousness in Nirvana.If anything if its coupled with my idea above, it would just expose that the Sith are correct in that the Dark Side can lead to power but that it's literally your own choice to be an asshole, it's the difference between Akuma vs M Bison in Street Fighter
>>153811840>Force ghosts are fine because to be one you have to basically never interact with the mortal realm in a direct waNope, they can do whatever they want.They just choose not to in order to be responsible.
>>153811904If the force is influenced by petty deities then it ceases to be a enlightened thing and is just an instrument of whoever embodies it.>>153811908Only jedi can be force ghosts and the only jedi who do so embrace being passive and accepting their time has come in order to do it, and pass on what they know and entrust it to another even if they have some doubts. In order to be a force ghost you have to detach yourself from direct interference. To do otherwise would literally destroy themselves logically. To be so arrogant that you think YOU personally have to do stuff all the time and that no one is as good or wise as you is a dark side ideal
>>153811834>then what the fuck was George thinking then when Mortis contradicts the metaphysics laid out in the OT and the PT moviesWhatever the fuck he wanted. As it was his right to do so.>whatever the fuck the pre-Clone Wars EU was doinglol, he never gave a shit about what the EU was doing.>"Balance in the Force" means the end of the Sith and the Dark Side. It can't be some weird Daoist-Christian (Gnostic?) conception of a natural harmony between Good and Evil I don't see why not. The Dark Side is created by fear, anger, hate, pain, suffering, death and conflict. These are unavoidable aspects of life. Which means therefore that the Dark Side will always exist and thus is a natural part of the Force. And even then, you can't hold Mortis responsible for that shit when George introduced the Nightsisters into Star Wars. Who are very blatantly aligned with the Dark Side of the Force.>Did Lucas forget that he could have made it make sense by just reading up more on Buddhism and Daoism so things would go full circle with how the EUIf your basis on this that it doesn't align with the EU then maybe that's why you're having such difficulty with it. George never cared about the EU. As he's stated numerous times before he even sold Lucasfilm. The EU was never part of Star Wars.>>153811849>Nah, even Lucas had Sith coming back in his sequel trilogyYes he did? The original villains for the ST were Maul and Talon. And by that point Maul had not been a Sith for nearly 50 years. And since he wouldn't be a Sith, Talon certainly wouldn't be either.
>>153811950that's why there's a distinction between the Living Force and the Cosmic Force, it's very Buddhist (the false Ego of illusory reality vs the True Ego of realized Nirvana)the Cosmic Force cannot be touched or grasped, it's like the Pleroma/Nothingness...but the Force within material reality can be, and it is why the Sith will never achieve true everlasting power, their own selfishness destroys them and limits them
>>153811950Nah, even talking to people is influencing them and things that happen. They can see the future, they know this to be true. They are changing events by interfering, you're wrong. They're abusing their powers for what they perceive to be the greater good but feel it's necessary and they're being responsible and not going overboard. Same as when cops shoot people or Jedi stab them.>>153811952>You can or can't be a Sith because of personal opinion or beliefThanks for conceding and agreeing the Sith can't ever go away. Checkmate.Since you've embarrassed yourself I'll clue you in: Sith can be a lot of things, and they don't have to follow a super strict code to be one...same as the Jedi. Any Sith can just say "I'm changing the rules now" and thus it's changed. You might have autism if you can't understand all these things are actually fluid and not set in stone.
>>153811985I don't give a shit about buddhism and I'm not even sure to which point you are responding.
>>153812044the first point about the force being influenced by petty deitiesyou should give a shit about Buddhism considering how big of an influence it was on Lucas, he even describes himself as one
>>153812041>Nah, even talking to people is influencing them and things that happen.The thing is, force ghosts tell Luke to kill Vader and he refuses. So while they can be guides, they accept that they do not interfere with affairs directly because to do so is counter to what it means to be a force ghost.
>>153812068Not really, also you're wrong about only Jedi doing it.It's been established for decades that Sith could do it too.
>>153812041>Sith can be a lot of things, and they don't have to follow a super strict code to be one.Yes they do. The have a strict code same as the Jedi. If you don't follow that code, you're not one. Maul was no longer a Sith and had no intention of being one again. So the Sith were never going to be the villains of the ST.
>>153812066Well I think you are wrong. The force is ultimately life, or an extension of life. Having it connect to completely random other deities undermines that point utterly and takes "the force" away from the living and instead puts it into the hands of manifestations who aren't even truly living.>>153812102I don't give a shit about EU or Disney, I am talking about 1-6.
>>153812113Wrong.According to you the Sith died when Bane said "I'm making up shit now, 2 it is bitches."Because that was against their code. YOU CAN JUST MAKE SHIT UP, YOU'RE A RETARDLots of Jedi don't agree with other Jedi. Who were the real Jedi? Was it Yoda? YODA WAS WRONG, THE STUFF HE SAID WAS WRONG, HE WAS PROVEN SO, so who were the REAL Jedi?Seriously, you have too much autism and too little sense.Being Jedi or Sith is about the spirit of the matter, not making sure you're up to date on the recent patch notes and paying your membership fees you retard.
>>153811834>>153811904Balance in the Force means the end of the Sith. The Sith are a cancer. The Dark Side is natural, but it is not something to be indulged. When you indulge the dark side, you fall down the path of fear, anger, hate, and suffering. Literally the last episodes of The Clone Wars released when it got cancelled after the buyout made this clear. Yoda undergoes a journey to test if he is worthy of learning the secret to immortality. In it he has to face a manifestation of his own dark side and accept that it exists as a part of him, but that he has control over it and rejects its attempts to influence him.
>>153804191George himself said at least 100 survived. We are nowhere near that. There's no reason for them to be helping Luke when they need to focus on surviving.
>>153812102>It's been established for decades that Sith could do it too.No it wasn't. Hell, George himself had to shoot down an idea of there being Force Ghosts of Sith because people adherent to the Dark Side cannot become Force Ghosts because those who are adherant to it are inherently materialistic and can never submit themselves to become nothing. This is actually interesting in current stuff in that those adherant to the Dark Side have to bind and anchor their consciousness to physical objects to exist beyond death. That's why we got Momin's mask and the altar of the Nightsisters. Because without that, their consciousnesses, their "souls" just transfer to the Cosmic Force where they're broken down and mulched and then spread out into the universe for the Midichlorians to feed on and create new life.
>>153812150>Because that was against their code.No it wasn't. Bro, where are you getting this shit from?
>>153812068fun fact about Ghost Ben and Yoda telling Luke to kill Vader:>what the average person saw that as: ah, despite Yoda and Ben having achieved oneness with the Force, they believe that violence is the only way to end the cycle of violence, how ironic that they continue to be foolish and how poetic it is that Love is what saves the daythat's the general takeaway and that is...NOT what Lucas intended if you watched the behind the scenes stuff and read up extensively on the OT and Lucas' perspective on the Jediwhat Lucas ACTUALLY intended for people to pick up was that Yoda and Ben were testing Luke to see if he would make the right choice in saving his father: if he didn't, it would be up to Luke's sister (an original character in the draft of Luke falling to the Dark Side in the original ST, or Leia in Kasdan's pitch for ROTJ where Luke kills Vader and the Emperor and becomes the new Vader)if you thought "wow, that sounds retarded and how on Earth was I supposed to pick that up" then you'd be right because Lucas had similar intentions with the Jedi in the PT>ah yes, the Jedi are corrupt/dogmatic/selfish and they lead to Anakin falling>Lucas: no, the Jedi are good and did nothing wrong, Anakin was selfish, arrogant, and deeply immature, and the Republic was corrupt
>>153807002Most of the major Jedi died in Revenge of the Sith. The majority of survivors were Padawans who never finished their training. In general, the Inquisitors were barely above Padawans. If a Jedi could be defeated by an Inquisitor, then they weren't worth Vader's time to begin with. In fact, this is one of the consistent elements of the relationship between Inquisitors and Vader. Whenever someone appears that the Inquisitors can't handle, that's when Vader shows up. It happens with but a fair degree of regularity. Inquisitors are all hopeless jobbers. There's a very clear tier that they fall under, and nearly every named character is above them.
>>153812151The Sith aren't actually a cancer, they represent the selfish. Remember, Yoda wasn't a God, he's been wrong many, many times over the course of official Lucas approved stories. The galaxy suffers if there's too many selfish or too many selfless. There is a balance to be found in the normal every creatures like you or I that indulge in the dark side acts of eating and being afraid to avoid danger and getting upset with people over the internet. We do other stuff too that reasonably light and kind>>153812193You need to accept that Lucas may have gotten the stories off the ground but he's NOT the defacto master of Star Wars, he himself has said other people know more about Star Wars than him for one and there's been plenty of other writers since them. He was the father, but no father is meant to control their child like it's a slave nor do they ever actually know what's best for them in the end, that's for the child and those they share their life with to decides. HINT: That's US, we're the ones that hold Star Wars know and know better than George.>>153812205Are you stupid? There were many, many Sith. Then Bane said "only 2" that's against what their VERY EXISTENCE was. But someone made it up and killed the others. YOU CAN JUST MAKE UP RULES MY DUDEMake them up, break them, it doesn't matter. What matters only ever is the spirit behind what you're doing.I can call myself SUPER OMEGA DEVIL DRAGON THE BABY RAPER but if I'm treating illnesses every day and saving lives and never raping any babies...I'm not much of one, am I? The spirit is only ever what really mattered, everything else is fluff.
>>153812151the stuff with Yoda is exactly what I mean about Lucas' schizo-Buddhism/Christianity not making any senseBuddhism is about INTEGRATING the Shadow/Dark Side and purifying it of selfishness/Evil and keeping the positive parts (Positive Chaos like Liberty and Transformation is good, but Negative Chaos like lawlessness and tyranny are bad), it's why lots of Japanese and Chinese fiction have the hero merge with their Shadow and come out the better for it...non dualism!meanwhile plenty of American fiction does the I REJECT MY DARK SIDE crap because it abides by the Christian binary of God/Order = Good and Satan/Chaos = Evil and moral dualismthis scene should have had Yoda hold his Dark Side until it stops being aggressive/feral before it quietly fades or simply just ignore it and focus on meditating until it loses form and vanishesthis scene has more in common with Jesus rejecting Satan, not Buddha remaining in control as Mara tries to tempt him
>>153812153I think the issue is that we barely see any of them stay and die in mundane lives.>>153812209I think this is pure cope. We are shown time and time again that Obi Wan and Yoda are flat out wrong on a lot of things. Even more if you count TCW which I will be generous and not count because I view it as only semi canon.The Jedi just became another class of bureaucrat that was about maintaining the status quo. It is immature to say they did nothing wrong when they allowed the republic to corrupt and they also dismissed visions and dreams Anakin got and their lack of care shook him so bad that he feel he couldn't share his honest opinions with them.Anakin was arrogant, sure, but the way the Jedi handled it only exacerbated the problem instead of dealing with it properly. They hid behind bureaucracy and the complacency that came with it instead of treating him as a special case, which he was. Fundamentally they half assed everything to do with him, especially Obi Wan, who he himself admitted he failed him. Jedi see attachment purely as a negative path to the dark side and do not acknowledge that positive attachment can exist for a force user, it just takes discipline to maintain that. In that view, Luke is a truer Jedi than anyone in the PT was, and Anakin had the opportunity for that too if the council and Obi Wan didn't act how they did.
>>153812356This is why AI need to rule us like in the Polity novels.
>>153812287>You need to accept that Lucas may have gotten the stories off the ground but he's NOT the defacto master of Star WarsNot anymore since he doesn't own the IP. But he was when he did.>he himself has said other people know more about Star Wars than himSo what? I never expected him to have encyclopedic knowledge about his own works. Especially for something as expansive as Star Wars. That's usually where most people have to put shit to notes.>HINT: That's US, we're the ones that hold Star Wars know and know better than George.No, we do not hold Star Wars. It's not our property. It has never, and will never belong to us. >Are you stupid? There were many, many Sith. Then Bane said "only 2" that's against what their VERY EXISTENCE wasHow? How does it defy the Sith to have only two? You say it as though there's loads of stuff that covers the existence of the Sith before Bane. There's nothing about the Sith that indicates that the Rule of Two defies what defines a Sith as being a Sith. Nothing whatsoever.
>>153812153We should probably that the majority of those survivors were low-tier barely-out-of-the-academy rookies. The kinds of losers who actually would lose to Inquisitors.
>>153812356I agree with you on Luke! The audience's takeaway is that he and Qui Gon are the only True Jedi, hence the whole Biblical parallels with Qui Gon resembling Jesus and Luke being the Son of the Father/Second Coming of the Chosen One.It's just weird as shit because it's been well documented that Lucas DOES NOT see the Jedi as corrupt, that's exclusively a Filoni thing, especially when it comes to seeing Yoda as flawed. It's also where the whole misconception of "attachment" is really about because Lucas's interpretation of attachment is the Buddhist one>attachment = selfishness and possessivenessbut the audience and Filoni identified attachment as having relationships/emotional connections with peopleit's not cope, it's just...weird because Lucas is genuinely autistic, he does not understand that his word choices and specific directorial vision is not something the average moviegoer or SW fan knows about or is going to pick up on
>>153812446>Lucas DOES NOT see the Jedi as corruptI wouldn't say corrupt. That implies they care immensely about personal gain. More that they are complacent, arrogant, bureaucratic, and self assured.
>>153812356>I think this is pure cope.Actually, that anon is correct. Yoda and Obi-wan tell him to kill Vader because it was what he needed to hear. We know that Force Ghosts are 5th dimensional beings who see all of existence, past, present and future simultaneously. They told him what they did because it was what he needed to hear for him to come to the conclusion he did to ensure that the correct events occurred. Does this mean they lied to him? Absolutely. And for someone like Obi-wan, that's very in character for him. As he has canonically been described as a breathing case of half-truths and hyperbole. And with Anakin, the Jedi Order was not responsible for his fall. Sidious was. Sidious, for 10 years, fed his insecurities and hubris to drive a wedge between him and the Jedi. Did the Jedi have their problems? Yes. Were the perfect with him? No. But they are not primarily to blame for his fall. Darth Sidious is.
>>153803701Season 2 should have been the end of the show with Ahsoka's death. The Inquisitors are incompetent cannon fodder and Rebels itself is a tonal whiplash gravitating excessively between being made for kids and a war story. Sabine is the worst character in the entire show
>>153812489Sidious being to blame is something Lucas ABSOLUTELY intended as he was flirting with the idea of Sheev and/or Plagueis creating Anakin by manipulating the Force per the deleted scenes of ROTS, hence the visual subtext of the opera that Palpatine takes Anakin to (resembling an egg being fertilized as well as the negative space looking like Plagueis) and it bringing things full circle to New Gods (Anakin = Orion, a Christ/Anti-Christ) and New Age mythology (Thelema and the Moonchild, an artificial Messiah that can be swayed towards Good or Evil)
>>153812399>No, we do not hold Star Wars. It's not our property. It has never, and will never belong to us.You're genuinely stupid. It has always belonged to the fans in the end. ALSO LEGALLY IT BECOMES OURS Jan 1 2073 FYI you moron. Seriously though, you have autism or something and just want to pick fights with semantics when you know you've lost. Also FYI the creation of a rule or law therefore means going against that rule or law is "against the rules/law" and is defined as "unlawful/bad/evil" and Bane made one up that mad the EVERY EXISTENCE OF THE SITH POPULATION AS WRONG..."Cause I said so" If his ass got killed nobody would have cared. FYI Lucas said both the Jedi and Sith were wrong about everything BTW, there is ZERO spirituality to the Force according to him. It was a science understood by the Whills (And presumably midichlorians though he didn't say that) and both the Jedi and With were wrong...more reasons to ignore Lucas
>>153812489>We know that Force Ghosts are 5th dimensional beings who see all of existence, past, present and future simultaneously.What? No we don't.They are just Jedi that accepted that they must pass the torch on and are strong in the force. A recurring theme is that true Jedi, for better or worse, pass the torch on to their successor when their time is at an end, even if they have doubts or regrets, while Sith do everything they can to cling to power and life and ensure their will is what decides things. A difference of the older generation having hope for the next generation even if the next generation makes critical mistakes vs the older generation doing all they can to direct things themselves and cling to the decision making, even at the cost of others.Obi Wan and Yoda both do not intervene directly while Sheev constantly meddles with stuff.
>>153811762>make Sabine force sensitive out of nowhere?He didn't. If you watched the show you'd know they beat us over the head in saying that she's not force sensitive and that she's terrible at it.>but muh her using the force at the end of the seasonLiterally the peak of what she'll ever be capable of doing. Just like Chirrut in being able to sense his surroundings through the Force. Single abilities out of hundreds of what someone who is sensitive to the Force is capable of. Just because I can kick well doesn't make me a martial artist, it just means I can kick.
>>153812489>And with Anakin, the Jedi Order was not responsible for his fall. Sidious was.It was half and half. The Jedi gave him fertile ground, but without Sidious it is less likely he would have had negative consequences to that degree
>>153811834>then what the fuck was George thinking then when Mortis contradicts the metaphysics laid out in the OT and the PT movies while also not being compatible with whatever the fuck the pre-Clone Wars EU was doingHe probably changed his mind about The Force at some point. People are allowed to evolve their opinions over time. >"Balance in the Force" means the end of the Sith and the Dark Side. Yes and that's always been retarded. The more future writers chip away at that notion the better
>>153812548>What? No we don't.Yes we do. We've known for a number of years that those who live in the Cosmic Force are omniscient because the Cosmic Force exists outside of time and space. When Qui-gon speaks to Obi-wan on Tattooine, while Luke is off to find Owen and Beru's charred corpses, Qui-gon sees Obi-wan through every stage of his existence all at once. They perceive past, present and future simultaneously.
>>153806916There are no lesbians in The Acolyte and the witches weren't even part of the plot originally.
>>153812631>When Qui-gon speaks to Obi-wan on Tattooine, while Luke is off to find Owen and Beru's charred corpses, Qui-gon sees Obi-wan through every stage of his existence all at once. They perceive past, present and future simultaneously.Pretty sure this wasn't in the films
>>153810390No, you can change the past. Ahsoka tells Ezra that he can't pull Kanan out because everyone will die.
>>153812545the other stuff that solidifies Sheev manipulating Anakin since BIRTH are the abandoned plot threads of Darth Jar Jar in Episode Onepay fucking attention to Jar Jar in the background of multiple scenes moving his lips or making motions in tandem with several characters, particularly Padme and Boss Nass, that shit is genuinely creepy it would also make the visual juxtaposition with Yoda and Jar Jar make sense>Ben is Luke's master and leads him to Yoda (a little green guy on a swamp)>Sheev is Anakin's master and brings Jar Jar to him (a tall red guy) on a desert
>>153812547>Seriously though, you have autism or something and just want to pick fights with semantics when you know you've lost. Also FYI the creation of a rule or law therefore means going against that rule or law is "against the rules/law" and is defined as "unlawful/bad/evil" and Bane made one up that mad the EVERY EXISTENCE OF THE SITH POPULATION AS WRONG..."Cause I said so" If his ass got killed nobody would have cared.Ngl Bane was the worst fucking thing to happen to the portrayal of the Sith. I'm happy if nothing else the Old Republic era takes on the Sith overall
>>153812356>i view george's magnum opus as semi-canon
>>153812697>i view george's magnum opus as semi-canonTCW has so many instances of the Jedi being retarded and contradictions to other Star Wars media that you can't view it any other way.Also magnum opus is real funny shit.
>>153812545I'm not exactly so certain of that considering that George was very consistent on Anakin being an analogy for Jesus Christ and that his birth was by the will of the Force and nothing else. The Sith being behind his birth was always a Legends thing. But the whole thing about the Opera with the Mon'cala being sperm and the water ball being an egg is interesting.
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>>153812737That's not actually true! Lucas actually intended for Anakin to be ASSUMED by the Jedi to be the Chosen One solely because of his Midi count, as proven by extracanonical material and supplemental stuff released around the time of TPM. Anakin being the child of the Force was deliberately ambiguous for this reason. Again, it's one of those weird Lucas-isms I laid out in the above, his intention was not was the audience ended up taking away.People theorized that Anakin was indeed the Chosen One and that the Jedi were correct back into the day. George liked the idea and went full steam ahead with it in the later movies.
>>153812653Ahsoka telling him that is exactly why he doesn't end up doing it, because he never did it. Kanan died there, Ezra cannot change that. Ahsoka's words to him are just what prevents him from doing it.If Ezra were to try, he, Sabine, and Hera would die which means he would never have gone to the World Between Worlds to begin with. It's a fatal predestination paradox. It is also very strongly implied that it wasn't an actual portal but actually just Sheev's scheme to gain access to the World Between Worlds, as Sheev appears through that very same portal. It was just a trick to show Ezra Kanan's death, if he had tried to pull Kanan out Sheev would have been able to enter the portal into the World Between Worlds.
>>153812715Regardless of how you feel about it, Lucas was losing money making the show. He was spending $1 million an episode and was working on every level of the show. It is his magnum opus.
>>153812832Even if he saw it that way that doesn't mean the majority of people see it that way.It wasn't.
>>153812824What that means is that you can change time, though. It will just have a huge butterfly effect.>Sheev appears through that very same portalNo, he didn't. He was on Coruscant.
>>153812547>It has always belonged to the fansNo, that's not how ownership of property works.>ALSO LEGALLY IT BECOMES OURS Jan 1 2073 Going to the public domain doesn't mean it becomes everyone's property. It means it becomes nobodies property. And it certainly won't be anyones' who is alive now as we'll all be dead by then.>you have autism or something and just want to pick fights with semantics when you know you've lostSays the person who is acting genuinely mad like he's being personally attacked whereas I've been completely civil in our discussion.>FYI Lucas said both the Jedi and Sith were wrong about everything BTWNo he didn't. As other anons have pointed out in the thread George never regarded the Jedi as being in the wrong.
>>153812850>it is up to me to define what the creator sees as his biggest work
>>153812876>it is up to me to define what the creator sees as his biggest workLucas was not as involved with the show as he was the movies. There is no way even he saw it that way, marketing speak aside.
>>153812888Lucas himself said he enjoyed working on it more than the films.
>>153812832Respectfully, that doesn't make it his magnum opus. It just makes it his last passion project. A magnum opus is just someone's best work, not their final.>>153812888>Lucas was not as involved with the show as he was the movies.Oh yes he was. As the other anon pointed out, George was involved on every level of production for the show. George is a confessed micromanager. It's one of, if not the biggest, reasons why he sold Lucasfilm. He had a new kid on the way and wanted to devote time to his family and he knew that if he didn't do it he'd never be able to put Star Wars down.
>>153812948>Oh yes he wasThat's news to me. I know he was involved in the movie but I thought he was more hands off on the show, especially as it went on.
>>153812964Just watch the behind the scenes features for TCW. Every season shows George being very hands on with the production and the folks who were under him at the time all pretty much mention that nothing got put to print without his direct approval.
>>153812948That doesn't make sense because it wasn't his last work.>>153813003Filoni even talked about having Ahsoka's final episode be a normal closeout on every level except the final draft, at which point he replaced the blaring theme with the music just continuing when it hit the credits because he was sure George would regret it.
>>153803995>Seventh Sisterqt
>>153813003>Just watch the behind the scenes features for TCWI don't plan to but I believe you
Maketh Tua would've been a better defector character than Agent Kallus.
>>153813296Would've been better if we had an Imperial character that didn't defect
>>153804191jedi surviving 66 is fine as long as they all get wiped out by anhremember that while order 66 and the great jedi purge may have started at the same time, they are not the same thing
>>153811345Tony Gilroy was covering the Star Wars setting from a more grounded sci-fi angle, since the premise of the show is that it's supposed to be a gritty spy thriller. It's not really heretical or anything, the EU was full stories in that genre and it was basically what George Lucas' own Underworld series was trying to be.
this should really be a /swco/ threadanyway i'm seeing a bunch of TCW VAs tomorrow, think i'll ask some questions
>>153814279>does all this to lose to inquisitorsreminder that sam witwer said maul is "at his peak" in this show, so I guess maul is just shit
>>153814278Hopefully you ask them some really pervy questions that will make them uncomfortable
>>153803562I'm fed up with all the protagonists being the "chosen one," I want a protagonist who is just a normal guy without powers who gets into trouble.
>>153814342lol, but no I won'tthe biggest ones i'll ask will be some things in case they know more than what's relayed to the audience, e.g i'll ask ventress' VA if she knows what the "curse" for resurrection specifically is, if it's even a curse at all (could be metaphorical)will probably also ask ahsoka's VA if she was informed of ahsoka coming to live action or if she found out when everyone else did, I have a hunch it's the latter (which should explain why LA ahsoka is so shit)
>>153814319well he survived fighting vader so that still counts for something
>>153814383so did ahsoka, and she's shit
Give me a series with a cute Twi'lek girl
I have never had any inclination to watch this at all despite being a star wars fan. The draw is not apparent to me.
>>153814319Idk if this is bait, but MSL was actually quite consistent>Maul is at his peak, messing with the Jedi easily>Still outmatches Marrok on the train in episode 6>Episode 7 his leg injury intensifies and he's trapped with two Inquisitors>His injury is never repaired>Episode 9 is his worst showing. Even tho it's a 3 v 2, they can't defeat the Inquisitors>Vader fight is fair enough less a battle and moreso a steady retreatMaul's fightstyle is heavily mobility based, the moment his leg is fucked he loses most of his potential. His Force abilities have never been anything special, and he's fighting other darksiders familiar with all his tricks.Imo the show nailed the average Maul experience, having a great start with solid prep but overcommitting out of pride till he's cornered and has to flee, just like his TCW self.Really, the biggest issue was picking two Inquisitors we already know to be jobbers.
>>153814422Both Kotor and Swtor have cute Twi companions
>>153814465Vette and Major Anri are peak waifus
Every time someone complains about Mortis they reveal they either haven't actually watched the episodes and just repeat false online strawmans and YouTuber opinions, or they did not pay attention at all whatsoever to what was shown and said in the episodes, or they are incredibly stupid, low IQ retards, that got filtered by Star Wars completely and utterly. In any case, quite pathetic. Star Wars fans being a bunch of mouth breathing retards is the reason why Star Wars is in such a shitty sorry state right now. Sure, the sheer incompetence of the people at Lucasfilm is a factor, but they also have to work extra hard to appease to braindead retards.
>>153814465Two sexy bounty hunters too
>>153814597Force gods are dumb no matter how you twist it.It reduces a mystical universal force into just personifications with a literal face
>>153814084So this is Andorfags' narrative now?
>>153814648Case in point. Stay away from me, mouth breathing retard.
>>153803701Except the show was better before any of those characters took the focus.It peaked in the S1 finale.
>>153814452I think it would've been better to use the second sister and ninth sister duo instead of marrok and crow, as you said, they were already jobberstrilla vs maul on the train would've been fun
>>153803562It was boring and nonsensical at times.Not even the few good episodes it had can salvage it.PS: Erza should've kept his gun-lightsaber. Was such an unusual and unique thing.
>>153806259Inquisitors in Disney Wars are a joke, but the concept is fine.In the old EU they put up a much better fight. See Star Wars Dark Forces/Jedi Knight series.
All the CGI Star Wars cartoons are bad. Every single one.
>>153810122For me it will always be Kyle Katarn who stole the Death Star plans and then gave it to the Bothans as a consolation prize for them.
>>153805203>Freddie Prinze Jr.That guy is one step away from becoming a lolcow the way he seethes at star wars fans
>>153814696Nah. Inquisitors are lame and gay. You don't need them. Darth Vader hunted down and destroyed Jedi Knights. It's stated in the movies. Not a bunch of goofy retards. The best thing you can do is to introduce a singular acolyte assassin, like Ventress or Starkiller. They can actually be a threat and have character and development. Creating an entire organization of disposable non-character Sith-junior faggots is lame and gay.
>>153803562Perhaps a bad thing. Rebels is kind of fun but many things are now in the Disney-verse inextricably tied to it. The show is a mixed bag of bad moments and good, but it was the only Star Wars canon we had at the time. Because of this show we have to watch Maul versus Obi-Wan’s final battle in it and have it not be seen anywhere else. Art direction-wise, the entire show being a McQuarrie-esque design is a cool concept but executed poorly. The characters are a mixed bag too:>EzraAnnoying at times but alright as a main protagonist.>KananWritten well for what he is at times, .>HeraAlso surprisingly good writing for her. Plays her archetype well.>ZebNot much to say other than he is “the big guy”.>SabinePerhaps the most insufferable of the cast. People complain about the Mary Sues in Star Wars but hyperfocus on Rey as the example but she is probably the biggest one moreso than Rey. Omega from Bad Batch, which is also a mixed bag of a series, improved as time went on.>ChopperNot jar-jar levels of annoying but is borderline Reddit-tier if that makes sense. This cast and this show has become something of the blueprint for Star Wars for Filoni. Despite this, I don’t think that Filoni will be that bad for the future of Star Wars, he might actually be quite good since he was Lucas’ protege.
>>153812153Helping Luke and the rebels is surviving dumbass.Also Lucas is a retard
>>153814724Qrd?
>>153803562Star Wars ended in 1983.
>>153812792It was retarded regardless.
>>153812715>TCW has so many instances of the Jedi being retarded and contradictions to other Star Wars media that you can't view it any other way.So did the PT.
>>153814802>Maul versus Obi-Wan’s final battlePeople way over sell this shit. I posit that Maul should have stayed dead. Maybe a Maul clone would have been fine if they explicitly state that it was a special case and all the stars aligned for his DNA or something, or that he discovered a method to replicate darth plegueis's thing to create life and made himself but he can't do it again or whatever because it's an old version of himself, but ultimately I don't think the Maul/Kenobi shit was needed and it set a bad precedent for random characters surviving bullshit injuries.Also I hated everyone in the rebel cast except Kanan and Hera. I dropped the show about when Maul showed up and just looked up on what happens and saw clips.
>>153815150There were a couple moments that are a bit weird for PT to OT but most of them are just weird and not flat out wrong technically, but TCW isn't even consistent with the PT whatsoever, much less the OT.
>>153814655That and well the show is pretty good
>>153815214Dogshit opinion. Everything you've said is wrong and retarded.
>>153815296>TCWfag takes criticism of show as a personal attackEvery single time.
Read star wars books
>>153815214The clones being used by the republic was always a mistake. The seperatists should have been the ones using clone soldiers.
>>153815357No thanks, bro. I value my time. I won't waste it reading literal dollar store franchise fanfiction.
>>153815357Rise and Fall of the Galactic Empire is pretty good but that's more like an academic analysis of the Empire in nucanon.
>>153815357Are the high republic books actually good? I ignored the era completely until I played Survivor and read the bits about the high jedi being attacked by marauders with special hyperspace routes. Sounded cool
>>153815377I could see arguments for both sides of that one. I like what we got over theorheticals because I prefer the devil I know over the devil I don't, but I understand the sentiment somewhat. I don't see how the clones would have been tied to Palpatine's rise to power in alternate scenarios like that though. It makes sense that he engineered the whole thing to make an army that was intended to betray the Jedi when they were trusted the most while also securing his authority with an army that was essentially loyal to him personally after he had taken over all the institutions.Jedi fighting clones sounds intriguing but ultimately I feel as though it wouldn't have tied in with the corruption of the republic as much and you can't tie it as easily to Palpatine gaining authority as quickly after he becomes emperor. Also if Jedi were the frontline fighters it wouldn't make sense for people to shit on the force since it would have been far more widespread. It make sense that Jedi would be a bit rarer and most people would know about them from rumor but not really understand the depth of their abilities
>>153815357>Read old EU star wars books Ftfy
They can just do that?
>>153815614NTA but I see clones easily filling the exact same role as droids, letting the republic forces of real people led by jedi feel a lot more personal. Then instead of a magic switch making the soldiers turn on their commanders you write a story showing how the master manipulator turns those real people against the jedi through propaganda and political maneuvering, tentpoled by instances such as the jedi's attack on palpatine's office and a few orchestrated disaster battles getting blamed solely on the jedi and inevitability framing them as a relic who shouldn't be in commander roles just because of their powers while regular people with more tactical minds get overlooked. This translates much easier into the OT era where imperial officers have disdain for the sorcery and people like han call it a hokey religion.
>>153804191Several things to note about that:1. Yoda warned the other Jedi about the attacks in Revenge of the Sith, so it's feasible that a decent number of them survived2. Because of their small numbers now, they likely would not have been able to take on the Empire even in a small squad when you consider how many of the Masters fell to the clone troopers so easily. So they had to hide3. Most of these narratives take place before the events of A New Hope4. Most of these Jedi probably don't even know who Luke is, let alone know that he's force sensitive5. The inquisitorial was formed to hunt the remaining Jedi down, so you can expect most of the survivors to be finished off by them or Vader by the time the Battle of Yavin takes place5. The plan of course was to hide Luke and Leia from Vader and the Emperor, so it would have been a bad idea for Obi-Wan and Bail Organa to go around revealing info about them, especially if the other Jedi could be interrogated for info or turned to the Dark Side
>>153814597I bet the "ultimate power" Baylan is looking for in Peridea is the Son, and Ahsoka still carries the life force of the Daughter.I'm guessing Luke will play the role of the Father and bring balance to them.
>>153816107Don't bother. The retarded purists who complain about a handful of people surviving across the galaxy know all this but don't care.
>>153815546It's a hugely mixed bag. Incredibly high highs but low lows, which makes sense given just how much content there is. Overall the era is unique and intriguing enough to be worth investing yourself into
>>153816143>I'm guessing Luke will play the role of the Father and bring balance to them.By killing them both in their sleep, of course
>>153816234Maybe it's the way to avoid all that, we know the Mortis gods are connected to the Owrld Between Worlds, and that it can be used for time travel bullshit, if Filoni has just a bit of backbone, he can use it to "split" his Madoverse from the sequels forever.Also, having the Son in live actions is a good opportunity to let Sam Witwer finally do live action Star Wars.
>>153816318I don't think Disney would let him. Maybe if Starfighter flops since it's the first thing set after the ST it would be a good sign to them that they need to abandon that era entirely
>>153803562I love Rebels, because it was more OT (with is good), unlike Clone Wars, with was PT (with is bad)
>>153815246Sure, if you hate Star Wars and are a Communist.
>>153814806It is a form of surviving, but not all forms of surviving are helping Luke.
>>153816688>because it was more OT (with is good), unlike Clone Wars, with was PT (with is bad)Rebels literally "confirmed" i.e. retconned captain Rex from Clone Wars into Return of the Jedi.
>>153816870I love that this made people so mad
>>153806224>I don't know what that means. Can I ask what that means?
>>153815546>>153816210I highly regret reading all of The High Republic. The good is few and far between. I can genuinely say I only liked two comic series and three novels.>The High Republic Adventures Phase 1 (comic)>The High Republic Adventures Phase 2 (comic)>The High Republic: Escape From Valo (novel)>The High Republic: Into the Dark (novel)>The High Republic: Midnight Horizon (novel)
>>153817205The High Republic multi media project existed solely to hype up The Acolyte.When that flopped, this whole "era" just became another stone around this franchise's neck.
>>153814422>chiyo-chan twi'lekOddly, the idea is enticing
>>153817205Wasn't Quantic Dream game supposed to be set in HR? Man, people will long forgot it was a thing, before it comes out.
>>153817460>>153817307It's an entire era to set stories in, which the multimedia project only existed to establish the lore and setting of. I can't imagine anyone actually reading the high republic, especially how it ends, and thinking that the purpose was to hype up the Acolyte which was narratively and aesthetically completely different.
>>153811760It looks fucking STUPID you slop eating cockroach, choke on shit and die
>>153817866Yeah no shit it looks stupid, it's star wars. Look around. Fucking wolf man is getting drinks with the devil.
>>153817205I'm fairly confident you chose those at actual complete random, and don't know what you are talking about
>>153803562what I liked about it was how it had new characters and new things that were not connected to the old series. Before everything was Skywalkers and 3P0 everywhere. Now everything is doing what annoyed me with old pre-Disney stuff, only using characters from one thing in everything else the comes along.
>>153811760>>153817866I don't mind the spinning sabers themselves, it makes sanes that the inquisitors would want any advantage they can get, but them flying with them cross a line for me.I find it funny that Cal Kestis has the most advanced and versatile Lightsaber ever, and no one ever mentions it in universe.While there were split apart double bladed lightsabers before, they always had a simple coupling, while CAl's has the pommel of the biggest saber recide into the sabe so the other can slot in.Not to mention how the blade of the second saber changes sizes depeing on if he using them together or apart, or the crossguard and how a huge pommel just shows up when he uses it.I really wish they would bring Cal in for Ahsoka season 2 just for him to show it to Huyang.
>>153803823Yeah, I liked it in the first season when they were some plucky pirate group trying to make it in the Empire times.I did not like things when they started rolling out Clone Wars characters, and the Ghost crew somehow became the most important Rebel group in the galaxy.
>>153818105I think the perfect amount of cameos was the 3rd or 4th episode of season 1 where C3Po and R2D2 show up and Kanan returns them to Bail organa at the end of the episode, but he has no idea who he is and Bail doesn't introduce himself.Although, I gotta say, Kanan not knowing Bail made no sense, Kanan's master was in the jedi council, and Bail Organa was always around the council jedi, surely Kanan would've run in on him at least once.
>>153818089I mean Ezra had that lightsaber with a gun in it. I like that they're finally expanding lightsaber tech out of pragmatism once the jedi aren't there to stop you. Cal appearing in season 2 could be cool though they'd have to age the actor up. I bet he's not going to appear in anything until after game 3 so we know what happens to tanalor
>>153813135Funny thing is, she's married to Kanan IRL.
>>153818249Probably the only reason they could get Sarah Michelle Gellar to voice such a minor character.
>>153818204Hated that thing, I was glad when Vader destroyed it.I didn't like that in Ahsoka, Huyang says Sabine "modified Ezra's saber" and "made it her own" and it' literally just a new emitter shroud on it, they don't even say it's beskar or something.
>>153818439I also don't like Ezra's third saber he gets in Ahsoka, it's just a copy of Kanan's, they never explain where he got the kyber for it, although we can assume Huyang has some saber crystals lying around.But, the last time we see Kanan's saber, it's when governor Pryce is giving it to Thrawn, Tharwn had it, all they had to do was say Ezra took it back when he escaped from Thrawn's ship after arryving in Peridea and fixed it, way better story than him making a new one in 30 seconds.
>>153810492Who says he won't? They still haven't bridged the gap.
>>153815214I really don't see much of a difference. TCW might feel more awkward because of its proximity, but the PT was far more disruptive. Enter characters are rendered retarded.
>>153806224Kek
>>153816318>Also, having the Son in live actions is a good opportunity to let Sam Witwer finally do live action Star Wars.All the more reason not to do it. Witwer is obnoxious.
Curently playing Outlaws, and having a blast. What an underrated game.
>>153803562>it was also the first thing he did for Star Wars without Lucas giving him notesHe quite literally consulted with Katie Lucas during the production of the first two seasons before replacing her with Timothy Zahn for S3, when Thrawn was introduced.
>>153818836>having a blastThis site has ruined this phrase to the point where I don't know if you're being sincere
>>153818051>what I liked about it was how it had new characters and new things that were not connected to the old series. Before everything was Skywalkers and 3P0 everywhere.What? Ezra literally met every single important character in Star wars, including 3P0, R2, fucking princess Leia, Ben Kenobi, Darth Vader, and even fucking Emperor. Ezra, unimportant nobody bumfuck from nowhere, got to meet and interact with nearly every single movie character. It was egregious. Rebels is what started the MCU slop era of Star Wars, with legacy characters shoehorned in there for no fucking reason at all, and the main nobody characters having interacted with them.
>>153803562I hate everything nu Star Wars, that said. I loved Rebels as well as Ezra. He was a great main character, and honestly i believe he should be the future of this franchise. One thing i will shit on Dave on tho is his obsession over Ahsoka
>>153819144Yeah Idk what anon was smoking, Rebels had an insane amount of both OT and Clone Wars references. If anything the series was afraid to stand on it's own.
>>153818954100% serious.
>>153819402You don't have to pretend you hate everything in "nu star wars" if you actually love Rebels and Ezra Bridger. It's not 2016 anymore where every positive star wars opinion needs a "I uh actually still hate Star Wars though!" qualifier.
>>153819434Oh good. Can you share some of what you like about it? I played the demo and am still on the fence. Gonna see if they shave a few more bucks off it on the summer sale
>>153819469Ok, maybe hate is too much of a strong word. Is either indifference or light dislike. I like Rebels and Ahsoka. I enjoyed Episode 7 but absolutely hated ep 8 and 9 well, i thought it had potential.
>>153819721Now that's a nuanced opinion I can respect
>Collecting The High Republic in chronological order>The last volume of the phase 3 comic didn't get a Trade, just skipped straight to the omnibus>I can't properly organize the novel content that takes place between the last two volumes because of thisJust kill me
>>153820024That lightsaber is pissing me off. Imagine spending so much on such an excellent cosplay, and then pairing it with an awful plastic lightsaber with a generic black hilt.KNOW YOUR AUDIENCE, SLUT!
Then we have faggots like this.>All Star wars is the same.>We should be getting along.
>>153818025No, I have a big list of everything from Canon I've liked. My favorite THR novel, Midnight Horizon, was basically the finale to the phase one Adventures comic. Thank you for being a complete faggot, though.>>153817307I thought The Acolyte was very good. It is probably the best live action drama Disney has done for Star Wars. Headland clearly understood Star Wars, and had the twins been better written, this would have been a fan favorite. Unfortunately, the witches seemed to have broken people's minds. >>153817831I will say, it did help set up the world The Acolyte took place in. Knowing where the galaxy was one hundred years prior and where it ended up was completely fascinating. Especially Venestra, who has changed a lot.
Holy fuck quislings in the thread.
>>153819144You forgot Lando, who was voiced by Billy Dee Williams and in his introduction, he hits on a teenager and sells a woman into slavery.Great episode.
>>153821263>A genuine Disney wars fan Ew
>>153812697>>153812948George's Magnum Opus is his six-part serial film Star Wars (it's one movie). TCW is a nice bonus. Everything else (EU and Disney new EU) is filler content
>>153821441Welcome, grandpa
>>153821517George’s Magnum Opus is the Star Wars Holiday Special
>>153819402I feel like Ezra was Filoni dabbing on Rey.Ezra is extremely talented and intuitive, but he fucks up, he has to learn, he trains, most episodes start with him and Kanan training, even his visions trick him because he's undisciplined.I think that, in the middle of the Rey controversy, Filoni showed Disney how to make a prodigy character without making him a mary sue.
>>153821517>TCW is a nice bonusFeels like a chore to watch most of the time.
>>153821568Disney has owned Star wars for a decade and the most popular EU shit is less than thirty years old. Not really an old fan vs new fan thing just a taste issue
>>153821517>Disney new EUIs needed to understand the sequel trilogy. Plus the Classic EU is the real Star Wars.
It sucks that /v/ is the only place for real Star Wars threads.
This is all I can hear when people talk about Disney ruining star warshttps://youtu.be/mGCQUwtOjNE?t=73&si=n5LONCIPwZdd2LRf
>>153821683That's what happens when video games are the best part of your multimedia franchise
>>153821705The ironic thing is that Gen-X ruined comic books.
>>153821639The requel (reboot sequel as Iger put it) trilogy is included in 'Disney new EU'. The Disney era and the old EU are the same in that neither are Geroge's vision for the story (he's said so multiple times about both). They're essentially the exact same thing, licensed material that acts as a continuation to Episode VI while being non-canon at the same time
>>153821769>They're essentially the exact same thingMeds now.
>>153821769The old EU didn't have fart fetish porn in it.
>>153821705Han did shoot first, though.
>>153821705They legitimately ruined it though. Prequels just made boomer and xers seethe, that era of star wars still made money
>>153821769>Geroge's visionNull & void after he sold it, Stop using him as a shield you coward.
>>153821683How come Luke didn't try to kill Desann in his sleep, like he did with Kylo Ren?
>>153821845And now here you are, a millennial, seething
>>153821851>he sold it (Disney)>he licensed it for extra cash (old EU)I don't see much of a difference. In both cases he was working on his own story, the serial film Star Wars while saying what other people were doing is not canon
>>153819402>>153821615>muh pajeet is better than the mary sueThey both suck dumbass, Star Wars is dead, Mandarine and google will flop, kys
>>153821972If it wasn't canon why did he care?Why did he make Zahn change things?Why are you spreading lies and acting in bad faith?
>>153821893I'm perfectly happy mocking Disney while enjoying the old eu and six films
>>153821972George was pretty heavily involved in force unleashed too wasn't he? Why do people act like he had absolutely zero activity with his franchise beyond the movies?
>>153822068Don't let me take that from you, I just don't think you're not any different from the gen Xers who are doing the exact same thing with episodes 4-6 and the pre-90s "real EU"
>>153822191Well it is different because during the 2000s and early 2010s star wars was still very popular despite a vocal minority of gen xers. Disney wars tanked the brand and now it's not cool or popular with anybody
>>153822346>Well- erm you see- it's le exactly the same but different this time because- uh-DISNEY RAPED OUR CHILDHOODOH DISNEY RAPED OUR CHILDHOOOOOOD
>>153822516Old EU and the prequels were popular and made money. Disney wars and their eu do not because it's poorly done. Simple as
>>153822346>>153822700Counterpoint: The Rise of Fucking Skywalker outperformed Attack of the Clones and Return of the Jedi
>>153822776But neither of those movies outright killed interest in the franchise. What good is that box office if it doesn't ensure more money can be made? Especially since this was expensive as hell and arguably not profitable as a movie
>>153823011*Especially since Tros was expensive as hell
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>>153811197>>153803701it picked up and got better in the last two seasonsthe fights in ahsoka sucked. not enough choreography. rosario dawson needs to pick it up for the light saber shit, she's lacking
>>153823114Rosario Dawson sucks at swordfighting and I honestly believed they destroyed one of her saber on the fight against Morgan to see if she's better at handling just one saber next Season.Ray Stevenson wasn't much better, which is why I don't mind Rory McCann taking over Baylan instead of them killing the character off, we know he can sword fight.
>>153822776>counterpoint>>>/r/eddit
>>153804191>>153812153If George Lucas had foresight or could see into the future, how would he have changed things in the original Star Wars trilogy?
>>153821931Rebels has only 4 seasons.
>>153823856That post is probably talking about Clone Wars
>Two jedi and Maul can barely keep up with Vader, Daki manages to hit his shoulder armor right before he dies>The Ghost crew is able to drop 2 AT-STs on top of Vader, but that was all according to keikaku for him.>Ahsoka is able to slash Vader's helmet>Cere Junda is able to hurt Vader sevarl times, set him on fire and Almost kill him before he kills her and limps away.Cere Junda confirmed to be stronger than Maul and Ahsoka.
>>153824034Powerscalers are not people.
>>153824034Cere IS very strong and I have no issue with that.
>>153811904>heroic Dark Side usersThis is not, and should not be, a thing. Natural != good. It is a cancer, a self sustaining cycle of addiction and negative emotion that by it's very nature of feeding off of anger, fear, etc. become all consuming and self centered. Anger and fear, by there very nature, are self-indulgent emotions, which although sometimes being harnessed to good causes (such as hating evil, or being afraid for someone's well being) mean nothing with out being able to detach your own feelings and serving the virtues (in this case, Justice and Charity). This is why the light side encourages detachment, promoting selflessness and the ideals of higher virtues, while the dark side is depended on attachments, which ultimately become self serving and self important. This is why every Sith Society degenerated into mass infighting, because your self indulgence fuels your power, so you are incentivized to be as avaricious as possible, because if you don't, someone else will, naturally leading to conflict. If you want edge lord good guys, you go crime lords with hearts of gold or Empire true believers who really do want order and stability at any cost. The Sith are an absolute evil. >>153812356>I think the issue is that we barely see any of them stay and die in mundane lives.This is true, but an unfortunate conceit of story telling. We want to see lightsaber duels and space battles, not Jedi Knight Fart Vizigal farming yellow cabbages for 10 years before dying in his sleep.
>>153824191Yeah it was so cool when She-Hulk beat the Champion of the universe bro!
>>153824335I don't watch capeshit, so I have no idea what the fuck are you talking about. And unsurprisingly, powerscaling subhumans don't engage with anything that isn't children's media.
>>153824386>Hierarchy bad Piss off commie.
>>153823114
>>153823575What do you mean? He was changing things in the original trilogy up until he sold it
>>153814702>For me it will always be Kyle Katarn who stole the Death Star plans and then gave it to the Bothans as a consolation prize for them.Bothans stole the Death Star II plans.
>>153825007Well then they made amends.
Form the reviews I saw, the Mando movie is just a sidequest of mando doing a job of capturing an former imp warlord, no jedi stuff, no mando religion stuff, no Bo Katan stuff.Honestly, it sounds great to me because the Mando filler episodes were by far the greatest, but am I going to the movie to watch this? No, no fucking way.
>>153825723>Honestly, it sounds great to me because the Mando filler episodes were by far the greatest, but am I going to the movie to watch this?My thoughts exactly. Love me Mando sidequests, I even liked the Lizzo episode in season 3, but this wasn't good to be a movie, it wasn't even good enough to be season 4
Going into the grogu film
>>153816870Didn't they pussied out on this because of the complaints?
>>153816734That's what makes it so good, because people who both like and hate Star Wars can actually enjoy the show. It's not trying to appeal to a very specific audience like most of the Filoni shows do.
>>153827155>it's good because you have to hate star wars to enjoy itNo. Also, if you like Star Wars you don't like Andor.
>>153827348new sw movie just came out in seven years and everyone's reaction to it is just asking if it's andor level kek.
>>153827547Twitter and reddit circlejerk bubbles are not "everyone's reaction". Moviegoers like the movie. Star Wars fandom is pure cancer and most of it deserves to die gruesomly. Obnoxious retarded faggots who only bitch and moan about everything. More people will have watched this movie than the amount of people who have ever watched Andor. Same can be said about Mandalorian - vastly more popular show that many people seem to like. Andor is Zack Snyder of Star Wars.
>>153827547The same people are literally calling for Filoni to be killed, btw.
>>153827592Hi Filoni, your movie opened lower than SOLO.
>>153814084>Tony Gilroy was covering the Star Wars setting from a more grounded sci-fi angle, since the premise of the show is that it's supposed to be a gritty spy thrillerThat's not an excuse. Just because I say fantasy aspects doesn't mean I'm talking about the force or jedi or shit. Star Wars doesn't need to constantly have that. I'm talking about everything else. Star Wars is rich in the amount of vibrant settings, cultures, tech and aliens to feature and he rejected all of it to feature something so visually bland. It was everything that was wrong with Rogue One, but worse. At least with Rogue One it had Gareth Edwards, whose enthusiasm for Star Wars offset Gillroy's disdain for it. Andor could've really used Edwards and other creatives who embrace what Star Wars is instead of Gillroy. I hope that shitter never touches Star Wars ever again.
>>153827778It's Jon Favreau's movie. Also, the $12M number is for previews, i.e. showings before the actual premiere, not for the actual opening.
>>153827155>It's not trying to appeal to a very specific audience like most of the Filoni shows do.That's it's problem. Star Wars is for boys from ages 8 to 14. Andor tried to be something that wasn't that. It shouldn't cater to adults or people who hate Star Wars.
>>153827800Right. It's gonna make Endgame money in 2 weeks.
Gilroy literally said he doesn't like Star Wars and people are creaming their pants for him to be in charge. It's obvious that Andor fans hate Star Wars.
>>153827784I wonder what Edwards' cut was like before Kennedy brought in that dumb faggot Gilroy to rewrite and reshoot half of the film. A lot of stuff from the trailers was cut from the final film. It sucks how Gareth Edwards' contribution was essentially memory holed, and his film butchered. He is a VERY talented director, he has exceptional visual skills. That faggot Gilroy and no one who worked on Andor could even dream to make something as good looking as Edwards' movies. But Kennedy fucked him over. So much so that he said that taking on the job was a mistake.
>>153827847I still haven't actually watched Andor simply because from what everyone keeps praising about it to me makes me think its just some normal show that just so happens to have a Star Wars coating and isn't really Star Wars at all.Maybe I'm just being contrarian but it just doesn't sound that appealing.
>>153818089>>153803701Helicopter sabers were legitimately awful, but the funny thing is they weren't even the stupidest thing introduced in that episode.That would be the baffling decision to make any Jedi and Sith holocron combine to somehow grant access to literally all the knowledge in the universe.
>>153827863Vader was an addition by the time Gilroy was onboard, he wrote and filmed the scenes he was in (and ironically that's why he wasn't present in Andor, because he would have nothing to say or offer in the series).
>>153828144Its terrible. Almost all of the complaints about all the other shows apply, but because of its message people slobber it. It looks cheap, it has terrible writing, the acting is subpar with a few standouts here and there, characters don't have arcs, Andor himself is a plot device going where the story needs him rather than having any agency of his own, and season two is genuinely some of the worst television I've ever seen in my life.To give you an idea>season one a female character is captured and tortured>season two reveals the empire raped her>an episode sets up that she has to learn to overcome her fear and how to be strong>next episode is her some how literally inside an imperial stronghold killing her rapist>they just walk out with barely anyone stopping themMy friend mentally checked out after this. He was so pissed off because this was the one part of the show he was actually interested in and they just skip all development to have her suddenly be a badass.>but muh timeskipsNot an excuse. This is bad writing.>just so happens to have a Star Wars coating and isn't really Star Wars at all.This is exactly what it is.
>>153827784The fuck are you talking about? Ferrix, Space florida, Ghorman, Coruscant, and Chandrila were all visually distinct locations. Made even richer because they actually used real filming locations instead of just using the Volume.
>>153828314Holy grey slop, batman. Certified Disney+™ look. It's crazy how you shit on the Volume while posting THIS image that looks indistinguishable from the worst of Mandalorian.
>>153828221Nah, the sabercopters are introduce at the end of season 2, Maul bullshitting his way into infinite knowledge by combaning the two holocrons happens in season 3 episode 3.You really have to wonder why Palpatine wasnt doing that shit, he probably had infinite jedi and sith holocrons.
>>153828357>while posting THIS image that looks indistinguishable from the worst of Mandalorian.No, not really
>>153828314Where are the aliens?
>>153810122They actually existed in a series of EU novels and operated similarly to the ones in Disney canonhttps://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Grand_Inquisitor/Legends
>>153827863>He is a VERY talented director, he has exceptional visual skillsmogged by Lucas. Rogue one is soulless filler
>>153828391This single image is more colorful and vibrant than this entire location >>153828314 lol
>>153827830>Star Wars is for boys from ages 8 to 14. The same guy who said this was also making his own Star Wars show for adults, it was called Underworld. It was going to explore the seedier and smaller corners of the universe with more grounded characters who did morally questionable things, the imperials weren't cartoon villains but rather office bureaucrats who drank their morning coffee while working at a desk. Even Saw Guerrera was originally created for the show.That's basically what Andor is, except focused on the rebellion. It's the final iteration of George Lucas' Underworld.
>>153828467>That's basically what Andor is, except focused on the rebellion. It's the final iteration of George Lucas' Underworld.Why are you lying? We've all seen what Underworld looks like and it is nothing like Andor.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tpTOwXVu8g
>>153828421>That time the Prophet of Truth was hired by the Empire to give their speeches for the Senate
>>153828497https://youtu.be/M2LcHPWauZE?si=qmMyuwpwdOE6G1cX
>>153828524Not even remotely similar. Nice try.
>>153828391Yeah, really. Thanks for proving my point again, retard.
>>153828467That's like saying Rise of Skywalker is the final iteration of George's last chapters for his film. They literally had like a hundred scripts for underworld. They could've just made it but they didn't.
>>153828560>I just say no so I win the arguement bye bye
>>153826095It wasn't a movie, it was just 2 hours of straight mando adventures. No character arcs, no narrative substance, just mando pulp I liked it though.
>>153828421andor was just being consistent with how diverse the original trilogy was
mando movie went crazy when jack black shaved off his beard to leave only a moustache and said>"and I....am Zsinj!"
>>153828510Not near enough aliens. Where's all the Twi'leks, Torgrutas, Ish-tibs, Iktochi, Pantorans, Deveronians, Dugs, Jawas, Niktos, Weequays, Trandoshans and Rodians? Could you imagine how much more elevated Rogue One would've been if Baze was an Ithorian and Chirrut a Mirialan?>>153828654>andor was just being consistent with how diverse the original trilogy wasWhich was one of it's major flaws. That's why Narkina 5 was one of the worst parts of the show. All humans and not a single alien in sight when there was absolutely no reason not to except for Gillroy's hatred of the fantasical. Fucker should've just stuck to making Jason Bourne movies. I liked those.
Surprised they didn't insert a Thrawn cameo in the post-credits, since Favreau comfirmed he was supposed to be the main villain of S4
>>153828835Some of the established alien races do appear in the background, like a Twi'lek reporter was in the senate and you could spot a Pantoran working in Syril's desk job in Coruscant. I don't mind the series using new aliens, constantly just reusing the same races makes the world feel smaller when the whole point is that the SW galaxy is essentially infinite.
>>153828861I'm not. Post credits in the movies isn't a thing Star Wars does. We'll get plenty of him for Ahsoka S2 and then the big crossover movie between Mando, Ahsoka and Skeleton Crew after that.
>>153828835>That's why Narkina 5 was one of the worst parts of the show. All humans and not a single alien in sight when there was absolutely no reason not to except for Gillroy's hatred of the fantasicalImplying the british are human
>>153828976>Some of the established alien races do appear in the backgroundYes, but again, not enough.>I don't mind the series using new aliens, constantly just reusing the same races makes the world feel smaller when the whole point is that the SW galaxy is essentially infinite.I agree. I just listed what I did that was off the top of my head. New ones, established ones, doesn't matter. The point was that there wasn't nearly enough. 98% of what was onscreen was Human when they should've been, at most, 25%. And that's being very, very generous.
>>153828524>>153828497>>153828611Andor>barely any colors>what few aliens there are are just as drab and colorless as the ones in >>153828510>quick close up cuts not allowing to show off the environment>far away shots are all lifeless voids>absolutely no one is interacting with on another>no droids>a lot of movement but nothing actually happening>literally just a dude walking>bland cinematographyUnderworld>colors everywhere>establishing shot show a large section of the city>droids>what few aliens there are vary from drab to incredibly colorful>people are interacting with each other outside of the plot and living their lives>space cruisers flying over head>city is very much lived in and bustling>character is doing something interesting>cinematography is very deliberate and dynamicThis is such a great example of how Andor fans don't understand how it isn't Star Wars. They go on and on about how Filoni does the "I recognized X and I clapped" thing only to turn it around at the most surface level fan service in Andor. The worst part is Underworld looks like a freaking fan film and completely outshines Andor on every level.
>>153828611Explain how they're similar. I would love to know how you can watch both of those and even believe they're the same location.
>>153828435>>153829117Chandrila was colorful
>>153829191How the absolute fuck is that colorful?
>>153829191looks like the inside of my toilet bowl
>>153829228What do you define as colorful? The vespas in Book of Booba?
>>153829254Those are definitely colorful, but the rest of the image is dull.
I'm very very excited for the return of the old republic. Hoping we get a lot of novels and tie in content with it as well
>>153829389They have to be insanely desperate to bring this back, even more considering the "High Republic" was just Kennedy's Lucasfilm trying to make their own version, but they weren't even able to get the game set in it out of the ground.
>>153828982Are they still making a Skeleton Crew S2? The kids probably look 30 by now.
>>153806916You are giving too much credit to kenobi. I think the people who made it were just extremely incompetent and retardes and ended up producing a wet turd of a show without any specific intention.
>>153829584>Are they still making a Skeleton Crew S2?Still? I was not aware a second season was even greenlit.>The kids probably look 30 by now.I think they're at least like 15/16. Whatever the case they're gonna have to do a time-skip now to account for their ages since all the post RoTJ shows take place 9 ABY.
This just came out and I found it amusing that the debate in this thread, "what does Dave Filoni actually like about Star Wars?", actually comes up in the review
>>153827592Go to bed Dave.
>>153825170Dumbass
>>153829191>sad beige>color
>>153829576Its kind of sad, like the whole High Republic era sounded like a good idea on paper to me.Like a whole new era that isn't connected to the movies or the old EU, a fresh time period where they could explore some new self-contained stories.Instead all we got of it was some books/comics, and the worst Star Wars live action show to come out, and even then they had to tack on 'memberberries with Yoda at the end.
>>153830324>suggests gilroy should take over>gets dismissed because they know he doesn't like star warsBASED
>>153832330Andor wasn't in The High Republic.
>>153832330>the whole High Republic era sounded like a good idea on paper to meHow?An era of Star WARS without any WARS sounds gay. Just bureaucracy.
>>153827830No, the problem is that most of Disney Wars aren't even being made for kids in mind anymore, it's being made for Star Wars fans or more specifically Clone Wars fans. Most of the D+ SW shows feel like they don't have much of a purpose beyond that they star a recognizable character from the franchise, otherwise the story is only in place to fill in lore gaps in the setting or the timeline.What makes Star Wars, "Star Wars" isn't restrictive fidelity to the lore and worldbuilding but rather having a core story that anyone can easily enjoy. What made The Mandalorian originally work despite feeling very distinct from the brand at the time was that it was a Lone Wolf and Cub/Spaghetti Western/Xena the Warrior Princess mashup. Andor is a thriller drama that happens to be simply set in the SW universe. Both series allow you to just jump straight into the world without an ounce of context from the films and people enjoyed them for it.
>>153813296r.i.p. :(
>>153811197>Star Wars is Lensmen + Barsoom + Dune + The Hobbit + The Wizard of Oz + Jack Kirby's New Gods (and plenty of other comic books) with Buddhism and Christianity and New Age philosophy as influences. Flash Gordon and Kurosawa and various westerns/detective movies and pulp hero serials are influences, but notably secondary.You are completely media illiterate. Never have a take on anything ever again.
>>153832682>>153832330You should read it
>>153829576>Doing anything in an interesting era for once is considered desperateYou are a retarded person
>>153832330>Its kind of sad, like the whole High Republic era sounded like a good idea on paper to me.How? It's set in an era of peace. That sounds barely Star Wars to me.
>>153832682>>153833681I always figured it would be about the Jedi with it being the height of their power, going around PREVENTING wars, like they were supposed to do.
>>153833730Idk, that was never going to be as popular as other eras.Prequels had the Clone Wars, the Imperial Era is defined by the Rebellion, even the Sequels are about an enduring conflict.Looking at the EU, you had Thrawn continuing the War, and the Old Republic stuff is literally one Sith vs Jedi war after the other.Feel free to correct me, but we've never had a Star Wars scenario enjoy popularity without conflict to fuel it. It's inherent to the franchise.
>>153833730That's pretty much what the backdrop is until the main antagonist picks up
>>153833948>>153833681You should read it instead of assuming you know what takes place
>>153833948The conflict of the High Republic books was basically the Jedi having to deal with galactic scale 9/11. It's not outright war but it's wild to call it an era of peace considering hundreds of Jedi, including several masters got killed in the conflict.
>>153832358Andor should be treated like the Deep Space Nine/Sandman of Star Wars. It's on another tier compared to the general output of the franchise so it should be left untouched out of respect. I don't ever want to see Dave Filoni or Jon Favreau writing Luthen's dialogue.
>>153834889>comparing blandor to ds9>comparing ds9 to gaymanNah. Now I want Andor getting help from Ahsoka.
>>153835075DS9 was gay, like it was literally one of the first tv shows in america to feature an onscreen lesbian kiss
>>153835245>star trek is progressive STOP THE PRESSES THIS IS BREAKING NEWS!
>>153835269But Andy Weir (guy who wrote Project Hail Mary) said on the Critical Drinker podcast that Star Trek is for Romulans and Vulcans blasting lazers at each other
>>153833730That sounds incredibly boring and inconsequential.
>>153821683/toy/ and /tg/ are cool places from time to time.
>>153835360Who?
>>153835405/tg/ is as bad as /co/ and for similar reasons (trash mods and jannies and all mainstream stuff for either board being awful)
they should use the star forge more. it's a cool idea and can be used to justify all sorts of crazy war machines without an empire funding it. slap that shit in any time period for a war justificationor maybe just stop making the republic a galaxy wide thing and give us more smaller interstellar conflicts between warring sovereign systems with jedi either acting as neutral diplomats or acting because of the systems has their own non-jedi force users dominating the battlefield
Why would anyone need the Star Forge anyway?During the clone wars, the Republic basically lucked into a clone war and then just shat out a fleet of Venators from fucking nowhere.And the separatists had the geonosians and their gigantic, indestructable underground factories.
>>153835589the star forge would let a much smaller faction exert that same kind of pressure meaning you don't need a whole big bad empire or conglomeration of planets
>>153833948>>153834640The Nihil are the gayest "villains" ever, and they should barely register as a threat to the jedi, they are just raiders.Also, they are called Nihil because they are nihilistic raiders, and I know I should be saying too much shit because the main villain of thsi franchise is called "Insidious", but come on.
>>153835672Eh, Hondo gave Anakin and Obi-Wan a run for their money and they didn't even have a force monster.
>>153835744Never liked Hondo on TCW, he did way too much for a simple pirate and was always somehow forgiven for everuthing.I did like him in Rebels, since his episodes were used to highlight Ezra's original nature as a street rat, intead of just showing him as a jedi and rebel.
>>153818051And now all the old things being referenced by all the new things are stupid shit Filoni created.
>>153835927Filoni is a different kind of creature to Kennedy and her crew, but he can be just as damaging.Kennedy and her creatives had this idea of "we can do better", and nothing encapsulates this more than the High republic, the idea being they could make their own, better version of the KOTOR era, didn't turn out so good.Filoni on the other hand, likes to "bring thing back" from the EU, Thrawn, the Bendu, Malachor, Dathomir witchs. he brings in the original authors, takes notes from them, and in the end, does whatever he wants anyway, he takes ownership of things he didn't create and acts like it's just harmless homages.
>>153836125KK's whole thing was just throwing shit at the wall and seeing what stuck. Filoni's problem is that he's a fundamentally uncreative person compared to George Lucas so much of his work basically just relies on "oh hey this character or thing you recognise is back".
>>153835618>>153835589Its from an empire who wanted smaller colonies of slave races. Who desired to not put any infrastructure down there. Which is why they regressed so hard once the grip faded. Without any infrastructure its very hard to rebuild. Its a lot like how Naboo is depicted as a capital with no real infrastructure existing outside it, while the Gungans slightly lower on the tech tree has really large cities. Its an idea that makes sense in the intended context. You very rarely get to see the complete insanity of the CIS manufacture chain, or the complete madness needed to fuel the clone army.Its suppose to be logistics stretching entire star systems, at several star systems. Versus just having a dyson sphere and trying to use it for asteroid mining.
>>153835672I think you should read it instead of assuming
>>153836125I don't think I can think of a single similarity between the high Republic and old Republic beyond naming conventions. Where do people get this impression?
>>153834889I like DS9 but I wouldn't call it particularly better than TOS or TNG at their best, just different. Even in terms of budget and style it's very similar to TNG and Voyager. Andor stands alone for all kinds of reasons.
>Create coolest starfighter fro mandalorians to use on Rebels>Mando get's a starfighter on the Boba Fett show>it's a Naboo N1 fighterFiloni fucked up, and I don't even think Mando uses the N1 on the new movie.
>>153836562Probably a common sense understanding of both settings and disney
>>153836804No he gets a brand new razor crest out of nowhere. The n1 is briefly seen at his home.
>>153836813Common sense understanding of the eras? They have nothing in common at all
>>153836829The worst part is that him building this is the single decent episode in Book of Boba Fett.
>>153836713TOS was the first and established the formula, TNG refined it, and DS9 was the culmination where it applied the premise to a serialized narrative that really tested the themes of the setting. VOY was essentially TNG 2.0
>>153814278following up on thisseemingly Ventress may be getting "something", and it won't be appearing in shadow lord season 2certainly interesting, as it was mentioned that lucasfilm animation has several projects in the works, so I suppose a Ventress show wouldn't be out-of-place once shadow lord finishes
I always forget that Greg Weisman worked on season 1 of Rebels.
