Way to miss the point of the character, DIC
>>153806050You’re 100% right, OP. He should be with Shadow.
>>153806050>hey, that's not Rosechu
>>153806050With the hindsight of how the games started writing the characters over time, yeah some things about American Sonic media from the 90s look weird, but I don’t get how Sonic fans ignore the context that the people who made this stuff had almost nothing to build off when they just had 1-2 games.
>>153806050why did no one tell me that Sonic has a orgy with a bunch of mermaid hedgehogs?
>>153806174>the people who made this stuff had almost nothing to build off when they just had 1-2 games.They were just going off what Sega of America's mangled localization gave them, which was almost nothing.
>>153806050This is more accurate to Sonic than SatAM ,Underground, Archie, Modern, IDW is.
>>153806208sega of america was given basically nothing to work with from sega of japan
>Sonic franchise has existed for almost 35 years>it only has one single masterpiece: the very first gameThat's sad
>>153806050Why do retards think AOSTH was game accurate?
>>153806534because they watched it when they were kids and sonic basically had no narrative
>>153806534satam derangement syndrome
>>153806402SoA had enough. They just chose not to use any of it and focus mainly on "Sonic goes ZOOM, beats Robotnik".
>>153806534OP is just being a troll but there are a lot of people in the Sonic fandom that won't accept anything that isn't 100% game accurate. Even if the content was made when Sonic barely had any kind of character.
>>153806902I stopped getting mad at different versions of Sonic when I realized that they are basically official AUs
>>153806050>Way to miss the point of the characterto sell games?
Where's Boco?
>>153806102>spoiler texthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDGG6iCyR4w
>>153806498And only the first stage is memorable really
>>153806534out of the 3 sonic shows in the 90s it was definitely the most accurate considering it incorporated places from the game like casino night zone and chemical plant zone, some of robotnik's minions were based on the badniks from the games, and the special zones and chaos emeralds were relevant to the plots of some episodesthe big problem is that most of them don't look like the ones in the games
>>153807426>it was definitely the most accurateWhich isn't saying much given how the only thing "accurate" was usually only their names.
>>153806050Sonic getting babes is based though, who cares if it isn't accurate especially compared to the only two games he had at the time. Sonic Underground has no excuse though since Sonic Adventure was coming out and there was a whole bunch of games by then to have as influence.
>Sonic should be a cuck like Mario and get 0 pussyDo Mariofags really?
>>153807426I always felt AoStH only tried to adapt the games on a superficial level, while SatAM stuck closer to the tone and spirit of the games. You have Sonic and his big group of friends working to take down the evil Robotnik whose schemes pretty much amount to world destruction. There are usually losses on both sides, but the heroes never give up or let that bring them down. Beyond that vague description, it's barely recognizable as a Sonic product.
>>153807793Funny enough Mario gets more advances from girls in the Paper Mario games or Mario and Luigi RPG.
>>153807919And some boys... and even some boys pretending to be girls.
>>153807832It's funny to think about how the very early Archie Sonic comics where it was a mix of both SatAM and AoSTH was the closest to the game's tone. It wasn't super dark and serious but it wasn't balls to the wall wacky, it was a perfect middle ground. They featured actual Badniks from the game too.
>>153808688I'd say Fleetway was the closest of all the old Western stuff, considering it was a very literal adaptation of the SoA bible and had arcs adapting games like CD and 3&K.
>>153808969How could I forget. I liked how they had comics based on other SEGA games. It makes me wonder what other games they would have adapted, Crazy Taxi would have been fun to see with their sense of humor.
>>153809031I'm curious as to where they would have taken Sonic had they kept going after SA1. Whether they would have tried to reconcile with the games like Archie did or just keep going off the rails.
>>153807832>SatAM stuck closer to the tone and spirit of the gamesFuck no? The tone and spirit of the games is colorful and energetic. Satam is dreary and boring
>>153810819>The tone and spirit of the games is colorful and energetic.That's just the aesthetic of the games. The actual plots of the games are about post-apocalyptic futures, government-sanctioned child murder and literal global wars. If anything, the games have taken more influence from SatAM as time went on.
>>153811011
>>153806050This was before CD, we didn’t know he was a MGOTW
>>153811011AoStH and SatAM represent the Jungian split within Sonic
Sonic still has a sex drive but he gets bored with women so fast it looks like he's a volcel.
>>153815043More like Sonic is fast in more ways than one. He can't keep a girl because of this.
AoStH is represented in the legendary Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine
>>153815076Only the first episode though, they really rushed that Puyo Puyo reskin. Tsuu seems like a better Sonic-focused hack.
>>153815076
>>153815089Thanks for introducing me to thathttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgAmgtgVpzcTsuu is a better base than Puyo 1 as well, being able to counter your opponent's garbage makes the game much deeper. Puyo 1 is basically all about whoever can build a big 5-6 chain faster.
>>153815142Nevermind, doesn't have Tsuu rules. Still looks cool though.
The Saturn Dry Spell made Archie complacent and unprepared for Sonic Adventure's announcement.Penders after seeing Sonic Team's Echidna Canon being closer to Princess Mononoke than Superman
>>153806902>100% game accurateI don't get the mentality, Sonic has somewhere in the ballpark of 20 different continuities. This isn't a grand unified franchise, that's part of what makes it fun.
>>153806050>The point of the characterWhat? The point of the character is to be cool and go fast. What other "point" are you referring to?
>>153806050Its still kind of funny to me that gen Z likes this sonic cartoon the best. Talk about time changing all things.When this sonic came out no one wanted to give it a chance. It was very obvious to kids that it was a rip off of the style and humor of Ren &Stimpy and New adventures of mighty mouse. Which was already getting tired. It also didnt look or feel like any of the games outside of mean bean machine, a game mostly ignored by sonic fans of the time. Kids rushed out day 1 for sonic 2, 3 and S&K. Most kids got mean bean on clearance if at all. SatAM on the other hand had the dark feel of the later sonic 1 and 2 levels. The darker tone matched better with the games at the time. The continuing story with scifi and fantasy elements was novel and fresh at time of release. In 93, I think the only other two cartoons attempting that kind of world building was exosquad and mighty max. Nicktoons was still doing slice of life humor stuff. But all of that has mostly flipped. Anime has surpassed everything SatAM did a 1000 times over and a 1000 better. We haven't really gotten many more spumco style cartoons since 93 that are worth a shit. Ripping friends and George liquor are garbage. Sonic very well might have been the last good cartoon in the spumco style. The rip off now looks unique and the unique SatAM looks at a poor attempt at stuff a million anime have done better since.
>>153815284>I don't get the mentality, Sonic has somewhere in the ballpark of 20 different continuitiesNot in 93. Sega of America presented all of these products as one story. Adventures of Sonic rhe Hedgehog then looked like a boil on the rest. This is also why a lot of fans left between sonic adventure 1 and 2. The writing and dialog of those games was like that of a game for preschoolers. It clashed with everything that came before. A lot of people just dropped sonic after sonic adventure 2 despite the games being technically pretty and playing well.
>>153815370Eh, I enjoyed AoStH as a kid in the 90s. I also thought SatAM was cool, but pretty sure I didn't watch it as much. Or at least I have fewer memories of watching it.
>>153815422I watched Adventures more but enjoyed SatAM more. I vaguely remember USA playing adventures all the time and SatAM being hard to catch in its weekend time slot.
>>153815435Sounds about right. It was harder to catch it being on, but when I watched it I thought it ruled.
>>153806102KILL ALL FUJOS
>>153806498Anon, it's not 2010 anymore. AVGN clones can be called unfunny, traps have been proven gay, and you can admit to liking other Sonic games.
I get it. Adventures is more unique in hindsight but felt generic at the time. There were a dozen cartoons doing wacky animal people in 93. Angry beavers, animaniacs, etc. Im sure kids play a new game and get the sonic autism and dig deep and then find adventures and they're like, holy shit, what is this weird cartoon!?
>>153806498the fact that ive never seen a single clip of sonic gameplay aside from the racing game n the first game is kinda depressing
>>153815494>traps have been proven gayLine trap was cute at the time. Fight me.
>>153815496Current batch of Sonic kiddos don’t care about anything that isn’t canon(tm) unless it’s the movies.
>>153815505traptra ptra ntrantrannyYou were gay all along anon.
>>153815497https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_k5pZ2OYJ4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Q0NCY-zhGghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j350HVcB2dAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDH1Jv88iLAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqYfRVgAipkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ0ZmOTPNQkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ks6DsbJXaVAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKpS3ja7m7w
>>153809031>>153809259I don't think they ever did a NiGHTS comic in StC, right? Did they ever do any Saturn based comics?
>>153815593Japanese Sonic CD opening toohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2frHKD9DPoI know the openings aren't gameplay but they get you in the mood.Also Mania is greathttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf_FyT1DK3o
>>153806050More like DICK, amirite?
>>153815076why is Scratch the semi-final boss anyway?
>>153806050this show is like the nortubel of sonic cartoons
>>153815351Sonic "has no interest in girls" so his most autistic fans despise anything remotely romantic that happens in any Sonic media, basically they want him to be a 40-year old virgin just like themAnd yes, it is autism to be obsessed over a very specific and trivial trait of Sonic's character, but at least you aren't having a public meltdown over the color of his arms
>>153815789Because Scratch and Grounder were the main robots of the cartoon and essentially Robotnik's righthand men. That's the only reason I can think of really.
>>153815808Is it just one person trying to push this shit description meme or is it like 5 desperate people? Cause it's not catching on remotely.
>>153815902Yeah, I tried looking this "nortubel" term up, and it's just some /v/.
>>153815934No wonder it's nonsense shit that doesn't indicate anything.
>>153815822Also explains why Coconuts is the fourth fought guy since he's the other notable recurring badnik from the show but also clearly the lowest on the totem pole.
The whole point of Sonic is to not kiss girls? Makes sense I guess.
>>153806402Pretty sure.by that point im Jaoan Sonic was some nerd hedgehog that turned into Sonic as a superpower.
>>153809031Wow someone remembers decap attack
>>153815658https://youtu.be/NHO84rOp8FQ?si=kAtg7f0wW8dYmKvQ
>>153816167You should look into Kid Kool and Psycho Fox, had no idea those were its previous games!
>>153815089They probably based it on the pilot, but we did get the Sssss so that’s all that matters to me.
>>153806050
>>153815820>Sonic "has no interest in girls"If that's true it's an extremely recent development because as late as Sonic '06 he had an ongoing love arc with the princess and even Amy if the player chose. Even Crossworlds had him flirt with Rouge, albeit playfully.
>>153815820>no interest in girls*no interest in "=commitment.
>>153806102LOVE and SAVE all fujos
>>153815583>Traps are gay because this separate unrelated thing is gay
>>153811011Every game you described is years after Satam, and even then neither 06 nor SA2 are as dreary as Satam, despite the dark undertones
>>153816167Ristar was always my fave, wish it got a sequel honestly
>>15381656006 is absolutely dreary, much more so then Satam I'd argue.
>>15381661106 is in no way dreary. Its has the aesthetic of a 2000s action movie mixed with an Iphone commercial. Even the atmosphere of the apocolypse isn't Satam's "dude this is so dark and le chilling" its just shit exploding like Armageddon (1998)
>>153807832Classic Sonic was a globetrotting adventure-seeker and AoStH captures that far better than SatAM ever did.
>>153816592>RistarThat game sucks
>>153816752I don't know how you can't think Silver whinging about his shit hole future while being manipulated by the most evil looking bugger possible as Blaze loses all her character agency, Shadow finding out humanity hated and betrayed him enough to seal him in the anti-masturbation cross in the bad future or Sonic being murdered isn't tonally dreary.
>>153816838Nah, Ristar is pretty neat. Has very fun enemy and boss designs plus I like how his arms interact with things in gameplay.
>>153816852Nah, just hilariously melodramatic.
>>153816852>Blaze loses all her character agencyShe never had any.
>western sonic = I FUCKING LOVE WOMEN>japan sonic = no way fag
>>153806050What's wrong with it?>>153809031Decap Attack was a different kind of weird.
>>153816879I mean that's just incorrect, even if it wasn't her usage in 06 is abysmal and just blatantly contradictory to her actual debut just to play sidekick for the failed hedgehog of the franchise.
>>153816912Didn't Japan Sonic introduce his human woman lust tho?
>>153816944You mean Madonna the character that never made it out of concept art?
>>153807426SatAM might actually be based on early concepts from Sonic 2, though it plays more loosely with them, due to ABC's desire to split SatAM from AoStH(rember, they were supposed to be canon to each other).
>>153816922>SOL EMERALDS SOL EMERALDS SOL EMERALDS FIND SOL EMERALDS EEEK HEIGHTS STOP EGGMAN NEGA SOL EMERALDSLiterally her entire character in Sonic Rush. The most agency she gets is befriending Cream, and that doesn't go past the one game.
Secret Rings looks gorgeous for a Wii game. Too bad about the weird gameplay
>>153816537Anon, explain what a trap is without using adjectives.
>>153816944Yes.>You now remember that Sonic got flustered from looking up Sera's skirt.
>>153806174Not only was there a manga but Yuji Naka and Takeshi Iizuka both said they fucking hated how Sonic was characterized by americans into a generic horny teenager
>>153817241Rather, Metal Sonic saw up her skirt and Sonic got flustered because of how they share the same mental patterns or some nonsense.
I never understood why people fight about this. JP Sonic is more like Goku or Luffy and less like Ben Tennyson or Peter Parker. He doesn't care about getting the girl, he cares about seeing action and adventure. That's why Amy exists. A girl can be tailor made for him and he would ignore her because he doesn't care about all that romance stuff. All of that stuff is entirely in the western archie comics and cartoons. Japanese Sonic rarely ever recirpocates romance or flirts in any way. He even implies that Rouge is unattractive to him in the latest game's japanese version.
>I SEE IT, I SEE IT>AND NOW IT'S ALL WITHIN MY REACH>ENDLESS POSSIBILITY
>>153815370I think satam worked well with elder millenials, but there was a sort of shift where younger fans hated it for not only being inaccurate to the source material but also because of older fans insisting it was good. To them it felt like someone telling you that Netflix Death Note is the real Death Note and that you should totally try it.
>>153816482>If that's true it's an extremely recent development because as late as Sonic '06 he had an ongoing love arc with the princess and even Amy if the player chose. Even Crossworlds had him flirt with Rouge, albeit playfully.Sonic never reciprocated to the princess in 06, what game were you playing? The Crossworld dub dialogue is also an edit. In the Japanese version he outright rejects Rouge. It's been consistent since day 1 that Sonic's character isn't romantic.
>>153817462>The Crossworld dub dialogue is also an editDidn't the English come first for Crossworld?
>>153817241She was also a catgirl while the president looked like a human. And she kissed Knuckles which made him light up. Also Sonic flipped off Metal Robotnik. Sonic OVA was wild.
>>153817498Yeah, but Japan disregards the English script as much as possible.
>>153817498It's convoluted. For the last 15 years the English scripts are written first but only the Japanese scripts get taken as canon by the developers.
>>153817498There is an official description on Rouge that says she finds Sonic annoying because he is uniquely immune to her tactics. Literally all of this " Sonic the romantic chad" shit is western and not considered for the games.
>>153815593>be me, born 94>dad has Genesis with Sonic 2>too young to play it, as in grasp what I'm even doing>over the years make gaming apart of my life>christmas of 99>go to cousin's house as part of the holidays>he got a Dreamcast>play Sonic Adventure for the first timeAnd I've been a fan since, enjoying games and some comics and drawing porn. Fun times.
>>153815820>to be a 40-year old virgin just like themYou know damn well the people most invested in Sonic being a love interest are guys who grew up with the old Archie comics and Satam cartoon who self inserted as him rather than people who grew up on the game canon who are their oldest are in their late 20s and probably already sex repulsed
>>153806498>Sonic 1>MasterpieceThat's not Sonic The Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles.
>>153817641My introduction to Sonic was playing Heroes at a GCN kiosk at Mickey D's PlayPlace. I'll never relive that experience again, as every PlayPlace I know of so far has removed all those kiosks. (My introduction to Classic Sonic was through Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection.)
>>153817624Maybe Sonic just doesn't care that much about the village bicycle?
>>153817736You shouldn't say that about women
>>153817707You're lucky then, went to one once and two of the three machines were down, and the only one working for me had some Winnie the Pooh game. Every other one I've seen since were either removed, or just not working thanks to kids and negligence. Also, had to wipe the fuckers down since kids just don't know to wash their hands.
>they don't know that Amy was almost rejected as a character because Yuji Naka hated the idea of making Sonic look like a romantic guy
>>153817762I saw one exactly once. It had a single working N64 that had F-Zero X, and the controller was completely shot to hell.
>>153817749I'm old enough to know the type. Rogue is sexy, conventionally, but she tries to hard with the makeup and will probably cheat on you.She's not the type that's anyone's first choice unless you're a hermit on a deserted island or haven't seen a woman in 50 years.
>>153816982It's not even once though since besides even considered it once as a concept, they also had the OVA have Sara be all over him and then have Sharah,Lah and Elsie have charged interactions with him so I'm borderline willing to consider Sonic's type to be human woman.
>>153817035Wow, not at all an absolutely disingenuous reading of a story that's not even hard to follow. That's not even going how her story is followed up in Rush Adventure. Actually the one point I'll agree with you is that her friendship with Cream is way to neglected by both writers and fans despite it being her most prominent character dynamic besides with Sonic or Marine.
>>153817099That game has such great environments and level themes. Though I'm also biased since one level is a Dinosaur Jungle and I absolutely love those prehistoric beauts. Honestly Erazor Djinn Is also a pretty underrated bad guy.
>>153817698Sonic 1 is a masterpiece that puts to shame all the previous platformers created by Sega (such as the Alex Kidd games)
>>153817835The only character Sonic ever showed any sign of being attracted to in the history of Sonic games was Lumina Flowlight
>>153817696Ah yes cause fans who have played the games clearly don't want to pair Sonic with the myriad of girls in the games or have other pairings for the rest of the cast. This isn't an Archie or Satam exclusive fandom element lad.
>>153817886>That's not even going how her story is followed up in Rush Adventure.It's just more of the same, mostly repeating that she needs the Sol Emeralds recovered again and again. We don't get to see or learn anything new about her, as most of the attention goes to Marine.
I think a lot of this thread comes down to people not realizing that the people who make the games see Satam and Archie as a weird American offshoot that had nothing to do with the franchise or even the characters. It's like Toku Spider Man for Sonic. They do not use it as a character reference and have mandates in place to prevent that
>>153817641Show us the goodsAs for myself, I was born in 92, but never really got into Sonic until much later on. I played the original trilogy on a friend’s Megadrive but aside from that I had no exposure to the series until I got the Mega Collection for PS2. Even then it wasn’t until the PS3 and Sonic Unleashed that I got into the series. I wanted to enjoy SatAM but I just never got into it, AoStH for all its flaws could make me laugh and in a way I found the world more interesting because it had more characters. Plus I enjoyed collecting cels from the show so I have that too.
>>153817938You have it backwards. I'm saying the people vehemently against Sonic being shipped are young. I am not saying that young people as a whole are against shipping Sonic. The people who think Archie was in-character are older and you can tell because Sega had Sonic's game personality mandated into the comic fifteen years ago
Oh right. I forgot that Archie had a reboot that shut out all the romance stuff and was overseen by Sega for characterization
>>153817942I'll actually mention that it's notable that even Archie benched Blaze and didn't remotely expand or utilise the Sol Dimension plus gave her nothing to do compared to the rest of the game cast. Her entire setting is the most neglected and underused part of the entire franchise with it only popping up rarely but not fleshed out or given more to it.
Shippers are funny as fuck. The creator of a character can say "He will never get married or have kids, he isn't interested in relationships" and they will come up with mental gymnastics about how an unsupervised adaptation is somehow relevant
>>153818006Blaze was a character that Sega inherited from the Dimps games, and they have no idea what to do with her as a result. For one thing, she's not allowed to be better than Sonic at anything, so that greatly limits her narrative potential.
>>153817986Ohhh my bad mate for misunderstanding there, honestly most young people now on the internet seem like they are either hypersexual weirdos with awful taste/make absolute crusades on shipping though that part is nothing new or on the opposite scale are absolute asexual puritan maniacs that can't handle any minute sexual themes and implications at all. Getting back into the blue hedgehog, Sonic is a fairly flexible character that has some consistent traits across many versions but there's also massive differences across them, even in the games how he is characterised can differ significantly. All that said my position is that pairing Sonic characters is fine and should be in good fun since no romance is ever gonna happen like it did with Satam/Archie or be canon for the game cast so may as well just enjoy your pairings but not be delusional about them.
>>153818040Blaze is a character I really do like a lot and have fond memories on since played Rush so much growing up but she does have that Silver issue of her narrative circumstances and needing an excuse to pop up cause she's form another dimension. Give Zavok and the rest of the Deadly Six this that showing up for them doesn't need much context or effort since they have such little backstory or needed justification besides they wanna rampage and conquer.
>>153817958>Show us the goodsHave some Rosie love, usually hop from media to media for characters, mainly the games and the comics.https://files.catbox.moe/4qvasz.pngUnleashed seems like a great start for Sonic fans, shame that this was also around the time Sega was pushing Sonic's friends out of the light, which I think hurt the series for a while there.
>>153818107Makes sense. I personally wish Sega hadn't gotten so strict that now even non-canon Sonics cannot deviate too much from certain thigns anymore.
>>153806050I thought the point of the character was he runs around a lot and spins occasionally?
>>153818172Even Silver doesn't get nearly as much mistreatment as Blaze does. All they ever need to say is that Eggman or whomever is threatening the future with their evil plans and he shows up.
>>153818173>Sonic's friendsNever understood some of the complaints people had against them. I'm more of a gameplay person myself, but I was under the impression multiple playable characters were a good thing.
>>153818040>and they have no idea what to do with her as a resultIf you have an entire world that's a mirror to Sonic's and you can't do jackshit with that? That's just sad.
>>153818173>Porn link in spoilers>On a blue board
>>153818199thats his powers not his characterization
>>153818199Did you know Sonic has a favorite car?
>>153818239Eh, if the post gets deleted, it gets deleted.
>>153818199the very first drawing of sonic ever made shows him being mad that he got kissed and they went on to maintain this in literally everything after except the unsupervized western adaptations
>>153806050Anyone who dislikes AoSTH fundamentally misunderstands Sonic and is part of the problem with modern Sonic.
Unfortunately it is not common knowledge that Sonic's personality was set up on day one and that while Naoto Oshima was chill about it, Yuji Naka and Takeshi Iizuka did not like what Satam and Archie did with Sonic's personality at all and went out of their way to snuff it out entirely. This is the reason why Comic! Sonic is completely aromantic starting in 2013. The Ken Penders mishap forced Sonic Team to have to pay attention to the comic and one of the many things they demanded was that Sonic has to act like his canon canon Japanese counterpart
>>153818197Honestly maybe that's why the Paramount films get excitement and fondness from fans since they meet a nice middle ground of having game accuracy/nods but also being able to not be so restricted by Sega mandates and strictness. Like my fave part of the first film, besides Carrey as Robotnik, is the stuff with Longclaw since she's just a cool character despite such brief screentime that opens cool elements to the setting in the sequel or seeing a Sonic that is still his usual confident cocky self but with vulnerability that doesn't feel trite and since he's clearly younger and it lets them do some really interesting stuff with him as a character in 3 with his rivalry with Shadow.
>>153818225It's because games like Heroes and 06 had such a large cast, which in turn made people think the quality of the games is tied to how many characters you juggle with. when really is just on gameplay. Like I did enjoy Heroes.... when I take breaks becuse all the teams share the same levels, with them being either shorten or made longer depending on the team (and Chaotix's constant shake up of objectives). Then there's the whole can of worms that is 06.
>>153818173Well I did play the hell out of the Mega Collection but I suppose my point was Sonic was something I’d always enjoyed but I wouldn’t call myself a fan of. Even today I feel like I only really keep up with Sonic because it’s something to talk about with people, that and some of the games are fun to play.
>>153818338If I'm not mistaken, the Paramount movies were greenlight JUST as the Archie comics were dying meaning they were spared a lot of the absolute strictness that the other spinoffs face today.
Sonic has a type, and it’s tall women.
>>153818219I can't say enough how fucking absurd that Sonic Prime...the show all about dimensions and alternate universes, she doesn't even get a mention, any kind of role or even a tiny cameo what so ever. Honestly Silver despite his disaster debut and my massive disdain for him has honestly been treated quite well all things considered by Sega, the comics and fandom putting aside the debate on which characterisation he has is better, how he isn't getting that Sonic and Shadow spotlight and importance or his uwification arguments regarding IDW.
>this threadMan you guys might be confused why Sonic's character is handled a certain way until you look into who Yuji Naka is. He is the meanest nastiest most self sentered japanese man you will ever hear about and if there is one thing he cannot stand it was people making Sonic decisions without his consent. They say he would scream at you like a rabid dog if you got on his bad side.
>>153818380Would explain the absolute mental initial design and how we almost got Rava the Destroyer as an original villain for the film who admittedly I'd like to see revisited cause Sonic needs more reptiles. It probably also helps that Paramount is a massive film company that probably dwarfs Sega even if they get to call the major shots cause it's their game IP compared to a comic company which doesn't have nearly as much control, influence and so on. Like the reason Archie got so wild and out there for better or worse was cause Sega didn't remotely look over except when it came to coincide with the games on occasion or something even they wouldn't overlook...which of all things in one case was then stepping in to say that Sally doesn't die in Endgame.
Satam and archie have problems but I think a redpill that jp purists must swallow is that western sonic is vastly more interesting than japanese sonic. There's this fucking weird thing the sonic fandom does recenty and its going "thing, japan" with "pure and true sonic", solely because they themselves have a weak grasp on japanese and can't truly understand how dull it is.Japanese sonic gets very little discussion in the east or west if you aren't talking about SA2. Meanwhile, you'll see plenty of discussion and slapfights over satam, archie, etc. The conflict between SoA and SoJ has made for an interesting, if not plot hole filled narrative, versus the bland sterility of japan-only sonic that is effectively "hello kitty but less compelling". Most of the japanese fans I've seen on youtube and shit love talking about IDW or archie. Archie is glorified to them because it's a fresh sonic they've never seen. This is solely going off of youtube and twitter comments though.But generally, you don't see people sit down and talk about the deep worldbuilding of sonic and the black knight, unleashed,. You see it with IDW, you see it with archie, you see it with satam, you see it with booom, you see it with SA2 (the most westernized japanese sonic has ever been), but you will never see people glaze japanese sonic without some youtuber or thread compelling them to do it.
>>153818251Yes, but "gotta go fast" is a large part of that characterization. Oh, and chili dogs.>>153818254Is it the Wienermobile?>>153818277In OP's clip though sonic's doing the kissing.
>>153817835>Sara be all over himYou mean Knuckles.
>>153818436thankfully sega kicked him out and now the series is recovering, slowly.
>>153817641>>153818173Great job, and I'm glad you still have love for the series even after all it's iterations.Here's hoping you can do more sometime.
>>153817182>without using adjectives.Why? can your esl brain not comprehend them?
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>>153818479Jap purists, and purists in general are just people who want an easy argument. It's easy to just point at a game and say 'Well this is canon and therefore how it should be', without having to actually articulate *why* it's better or even good in the first place. If push does come to shove and there's something canon that even they can't defend they'll just find another game or some translated manual and say 'Oh well in *this game* Amy isn't a complete psychopath so the cutscene in Heroes is just mischaracterisation' (not saying Amy's bad just using an example). Of course with a series with as many writers and creatives involved and spanning such a long time it's fairly easy to find stuff that fits one's personal narrative on who Sonic really is.
>>153818728The slut was all over every anthro lad in the film...cept Old Man Owl
>>153815610>I don't think they ever did a NiGHTS comic in StC, right?There was an archie nights into dreams comic
>>153817438Dont buy it. They should also hate adventurs too then.Its probably more that theh have nastalgia for adventures because it was easy to watch
>>153817953>I think a lot of this thread comes down to people not realizing that the people who make the games see Satam and Archie as a weird American offshoot that had nothing to do with the franchise or even the characters. It's like Toku Spider Man for Sonic. They do not use it as a character reference and have mandates in place to prevent thatThey knowThey dont care.Everything japan has written since Adventure has been dog shit. Sonic 2 3 and S&K were developed in the USWhy would anyone care what sega of japan thinks sonic should be like when their track record is so bad?
They were developing a love interest for Sonic in his conceptualization with Madonna. This idea that Sonic is a celibate asexual shonen hero is modern corporate revisionism.
>>153806050DIC created the point of the character. nuSonic is a retcon, and "Nicky" was so bad it never appeared outside of Japan and was instantly abandoned. The rude dude with the 'tude who loves chili dogs and hanging with his lil bro Tails? All American product, baybee.Japanese Sonic hasn't been good since the Genesis.
>>153828891you mean they made a concept for it, and then dumped it.They also had a concept of Sonic being an Armadillo, Tails being a Turtle with a rocket powered shell, Knuckles being a dinosaur, and Eggman being either a regular old man trying to swat a pesky animal in his garden, or a spooky ghost king out of zelda. It's not modern at all, it's what they decided on since the first game.
>>153817267ok, but Sonic's co-creator Naoto Ohshima did enjoy it
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>>153829135I might not agree with his ship choice but I do with the idea that Sonic has hormones.
>>153818479That's the part that gets me. Look at Sonic X for example. That was Japan's best foot forward in terms of solidifying an idea for the setting of Sonic.They turned it into an isekai, and then when they finally go back home in season 3 they do an asspull and jet off into space. The OVA arguably has the best world building, and aesthetically matches the early games best, but they cancelled it because it didn't do well in japan.And that is the measure that we get beat to death with every time. Sonic the Hedgehog is not popular in Japan. It is very popular overseas. The current Japanese game 'canon' basically does not exist. They are afraid to nail down anything. Sonic, as an IP, is a buffet, where people can pick and choose what they like and leave what they don't. This idea that there is a comprehensive canon to follow is bogus, they haven't established anything worth actually being dedicated to since Adventure 2.
>>153829284>The current Japanese game 'canon' basically does not exist. They are afraid to nail down anything.He says as Iizuka works to make a "unified canon", oversees IDW to make it fit, and refuses to revive any old version of Sonic because they're not "on brand".
>>153829379worrying about whether or not something is 'on brand' is the corpo dick sucking answer. I am a consumer. Brand safety is the opposite of my concerns. I don't give a fuck if they want to appeal to the children audience instead of teens. I will never accept that as an argument.As far as I can tell, the IDW worldbuilding is 3 villages, a couple of eggman bases, a race track, and a desert. And if you consider that, supposedly, Unleashed, Colors, Lost World, Forces, etc, all take place on entirely different planets, what's one more? Who cares. There's no gravity to any of it.
>>153829472>And if you consider that, supposedly, Unleashed, Colors, Lost World, Forces, etc, all take place on entirely different planetsWhy in the fuck would you ever think that?
>>153806498Sonic Mania is a good follow-up to the first game. Otherwise I agree with you, Sonic games are mediocre and are carried by the aesthetics. Sonic Adventure looks cool but plays like shit.
>>153829508because unleashed has humans in it, which goes against modern mandates, so it cant exist in the same world. It also has a globe map with locations that don't make sense with any modern Sonic setting. Colors is objectively on a different planet as they refer to the wisps as aliens, and eggman is harvesting the planet. Lost World, i thought, was on a different planet, but apparently it's a floating island. Would make more sense for the ugly 6 to be aliens. Forces is the least justifiable to be a different planet, but I saw some people saying that that was some sort of retcon.
>>153829738I dunno how you got that, but Unleashed and Forces both take place on the same planet as the rest of the series. The modern mandate is that humans can't be seen in IDW, theres no rule against them being seen in the games.
