Is this the single greatest example of “wasted potential” in the history of both Film and Animation?I can’t think of single ball that has ever been dropped harder.Are there any better examples you can think of?
>>153825151Ending should have been like pic.Funny enough, pic had a sequel that was also wasted potential, and that is an understatement.
>>153825151It is, all because a tranny showrunner and a Noxious fandom.
it was pretty good actuallyyou allo just bitches mad it wasnt mario galaxy
>>153825562Anon, You're comparing crap on slop.
>>153825299Oh, I’m aware. But I just don’t feel like you can compare the wasted potential of a comic to the wasted potential of an animated streaming series that literally got into movie theaters— basically as high as you can go for an animated movie/franchise, and then just shit the bed to a volume that I didn’t think it was possible.I Hate Fairyland, unto it’s own world building, could be viewed as a nearly equal shitting of the bed, but the IRL consequences are just nowhere near comparable.
>>153825609Explain what was bad about it without relying on 'but the fan theory channel said', bitching about goorseworx putting their own passions in it (b-bu there might be HECCIN FETISH! is not a valid rebuttal either) or some trivial nothingburger bullshit the actors did 3 years ago.Come on show to me you aren't a castrated algorithm slave.
>>153825388well...that explain a lot
>>153825388One other thing that I think should get brought up, that should be addressed when it comes to all indie animation projects:The audience has, for too long, accepted independent animation as a crowdfunded, very expensive therapy session for indie creators.Okay Goose, we get it… you were shitty and toxic to your friends while you were figuring out that you were trans… your family didn’t support you—well duh—trans stuff might as well be from another universe to people who live their life within the standard deviation of society. We get it. Things were hard and you didn’t handle it well.So now you want to run your animation project as a massive costly therapy session where you symbolically kill off those shitty memories of an embarrassing and shameful time in your life.But then… Then you invited millions of people along for that ride who had absolutely no clue what you were doing, or that there were no brakes on this crazy train. They were invested in the characters and the story, not your therapy.These people bought merchandise, made you wealthy, paid for the rest of your life (if you’re in any way, smart with the money you’ve earned).So do you owe those people? Well… yes and no. You don’t owe them pandering to every ship and head cannon they throw your way because that is both ridiculous and impossible. What you do owe them is full upfront knowledge that they are getting on the therapy train for an artist who is never going to move off of their own standard deviation because, at the end of the day they are as unyielding as the very people they are angry at. And when all that becomes clear, and you can’t handle so many people jumping on board the therapy train with you, you speed it up to get to the ending you want, and end up crashing it right off a cliff.Because you couldn’t see the potential to do a lot of good while trapped within your own little overpriced therapy session.
>>153825562It just needed to not be some sad attempt at this…
>>153825875Goose needed to figure this shit out a lot sooner.Yes, the show is bigger than you now. You took a lot of people’s money. Now you have a responsibility to those people. No, it’s not your personal therapy session anymore.You invited everyone in and offered it up to them. It’s not just you in this anymore. If you wanted it to be just you, you should’ve just kept it small quiet and private.If you can’t handle the fact that it’s bigger than you are, you need to give it up to someone who will take proper care of it.Don’t be a stubborn parent who lets their child die in squalor because they can’t take care of it. Put it up for adoption.
>>153828683And... since when were you in charge?
Real previous thread>>153826739
FUCK YOU GOOSEWORXFUCK YOU RAGATHAFUCK YOU CAINEFUCK THIS EMBARASSING DIGITAL CIRCUSI'M GONNA STICK A GERBIL UP JAX'S ASSFUCK YOU
Why does everyone think that Jax was "getting better"? He regresses every time that there's some small change in his behavior and he keeps ending up back at square one. He was the one that tried trapping them all in the circus. The only way he could end was in abstracting.
JAX IS A BLACK FUCKING NIGGER AND I'M GONNA THROW HIM DOWN A PIT WITH A BONG UP HIS FAGGOT ASS
>>153828814Do you know that it's very difficult to improve and very easy to relapse?
Everything feels so rushed. Caine's return was an asspull people just accepted, Jax's abstraction was paced in a way where it feels like Goose just decided it on a whim and it also made it so that Ribbit also refused to save herself as well
>>153828832Yes, but everyone keep saying he got better when there was never any sign of that.
>>153825151The show was good all the way through stop cucking yourself by wishing things were your fanfiction and actually engage with what things are for once.
I'M GONNA RUSH A BONG UP JAX'S ASS
>>153828795>I'M GONNA STICK A GERBIL UP JAX'S ASSim a gerbil :3
WaitDoes Jax only hate Zooble because he wanted to fuck the shy masking weeb girl?
>>153828855You're a QUEER and a FAG all being like>i wanna explore a mans butt teeheeFUCKIN HOMO CHECKING HIS GENITALS BULGINGTHOSE ARE HIS MOTHER FUCKING BALLSTHEY BELONG IN HIS SCROTUMYOU'LL NEVER GET HOLD OF THEM
I want to watch it so bad bros but I'm not tarnishing my first viewing with that disgusting monkey language
>Isn't she precious>Less than one minute oldThis is a reference to Jax being a freshly cracked egg living with her new gender identity btw.
I jerk off imagining myself dying painfully which is why Jax is my favourite character to "literally me"!
>>153828920Literally you is literally GAY
>>153828814>>153828841It was less him getting better and more him becoming vulnerable as his various copes started to fall apart. That could have made him open to change, but it also made him suicidal. Any time he tried to reach out he'd just shut down and eventually it became too late.
>>153828879Because she doesn't take his shit.
>>153828941You eat shit cause you like MAN SHIT
>>153828919Oh my god, save me Jesus.
https://x.com/poonaple_/status/2057970728880795817https://x.com/poonaple_/status/2057913394355716290https://x.com/aggievaggii/status/2057846849386754195https://x.com/sorenxteru/status/2057688225229967442https://x.com/LuanaProvan/status/2057735128550682664https://x.com/Tastitara/status/2057734598344532350Lmfao, people are genuinely morning Jax. They're talking about how they can't even sleep or eat.
>>153828879Was Jax and Gangle even attracted to each other? He probably saw it as a powerplay, and we don't have Gangle's opinion on this.
>>153828973This fag uses xitterXitter faggotGo whine about it on xitter, not here
I only watched the 14 min leak, what else do we have?
>>153828938Does escapism really help you survive?
>>153828962Like a dog?HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, AAAHHHH!!!YOU GET WHAT YOU FUCKING DESERVE!
>>153828973First fandom?
>>153828973>Baby's first tragic ending>>153828992Entire thing is out, look in some of the previous threads.
>>153826894Yeah more or less, I saw one episode of TADC and I already know with all of the "quirky serious moments" and retarded dramatics shots than this series was just going to be the thinly disguissed meltdown of a troon.
>>153829004>>153829009>Narutards killing themselves over Itachi's death flashbacksGoddamn fanboys are so retarded.
>>153828998Sure, but it'll leave you as a mess if you can't maintain the lie.
>>153828932I'm also a crossdressing homo yes (not a tranny).
I'm gonna lock Jax in a suffocation tank and shoot his faggot ass to the moon so he becomes a fucked up alien cryptid with rodents in his ugly ass.2
>>153829033>t. spams thread about Ragatha all day
Jax's ending was phenomenal because it was so tragic. Honestly exceeded expectations
If ribbit tongue deepthroated jax he wouldnt have flipped on her Why didn't ribbit just do that?
>>153829052>not a trannyOkay TRANNYFUCKING UGLY TROONTRANNY, TROONED, TRANNIED
>>153829069Aw hell nah
>>153829053I'm more disturbed by Maid Jax than I was before.On ep 5, I assumed his suddenly feminine mannerism were due to Caine's modification, but that side of him is present in the abstracting rabbit hole and still act the same.But if that's something he's ashamed of and Caine didn't force his hand, why act so gay?
Jaxkeks in full nuclear meltdown mode.Calm thine tits, bitches, irl Jax is alive and actually doing fairly well, you should be happy for him.At least I am.
>>153829077>Aw hell nah... is what I say when I see UGLY FAGGOT ASS PURPLE RABBITS IN DRAG
>>153829065There is something called consent?
>>153829106I don't care about the rabbit, but the "real" Jax is basically a different character thus irrelevant to their bitching. The original surving is worthless if the character we're following is the clone.
>>153825151Can you really get mad at loosey goosey for fans predicting the ending?
Jax should've cloned himself a fucking brain
>>153828895I am a female gerbil ;3c
>And this is Anon! He doesn't have any social media but what I can show you are 4chan posts that match his typing style!How does your OC react?
>>153829145It is I who nuts to YOU
LEAK THE ENGLISH VERSION ALREADY YOU FUCKS
>>153829145You are a MAN and a FAG you TRANNY FAGGOT being like>im a girl teeheeSHOW ME YOUR FUCKING CHROMOSOMES YOU FUCKING MUTANT
>>153829085Imagine how much more of this we'll get after the theatrical release and then the online release
I'm dizzyI'm gonna go lie down
>>153829180Don't kill yourself!
>>153829064This, i don't think i rememeber many endings because they are usually safe or "happy" which make them generic. Like i was 99% expecting that Pomni would reverse the abstraction with that hug because it's what would had happen in every Disney or mainsteam studio. To actually permanently kill off a character without redemption is going to be much more memorable. I also think Kodaka made the best ending in Danganronpa V3 choosing much more shocking and deeper ending that relate to the audience rather than generic "Junk was defeated again and everyone is now happy and they escape" stuff he could had pull.
>>153829163just wait
>>153829196I'm drunk not suicidal wtf
is it still true?
>>153829156he almosr abstracts from cringe after they show his ragatha fanfic he was posting in these threads
>>153829210Sorry, you never know.
>>153829253Purrsona
I've been busy and heard the whole thing leaked, not just 14 minutes. Where can I watch it?
>>153825151I think it was pretty or even VERY good up until the finale and the finale was…eg, just middling/fine rather then “terrible” (like GOT or HIMYM) to me tbf. I’m just so blindsided by the whole “Jax is the Main Character, actually the ONLY Important TADC Character!!!!” of it all for the finale.A few episodes ago, I NEVER would have guessed ALL of the focus of the series finale, last act, would be on fucking Jax?!?!I find Jax to be the least interesting character. I guess I thought and hoped the finale would be focused on EVERYONE, and divide time and focus pretty evenly between the characters…instead it’s mostly Jax and a tiny bit Caine while everyone else is an afterthought at best.Them even reacting to being just copies and not the real people is so blink and you’ll miss it that it’s barely even there.Still, the series is good overall and the finale even is “fine,” I liked the bit about the real people overall, the bus scene, etc. The Jax stuff just felt very fan fiction y and fan discourse y in a way that I just hate.
Funnybunny is funniestbunniest>Pomni: I can fix him!>Jax: Now you cant!>*Pomni tries to fix him*>*Jax gets broken more instead*2-3 times over
>>153829275Go into the archive and search "torrent"Heads up it's in Spanish
don't worry guys I will fund ragatha spinoff
>>153829165Oh no!It seems like you just want jax to abstract, how cruel of you.
>>153829266This episode 7 is literally about when they do everything for you and you can't decide, you just obey.
>>153828847>Not a corn cobONE JOB
>>153829163There's no English version leak anon
>>153829312wait if jax is goose's self insert does it means goose is afraid of corn?
>>153828027There was a potential in doing something like it, they just didn't want to commit to it. Wanted to give everyone (excluding Jax) a happy ending. Hell, I feel like the chance to create a power vacuum with Caine "dying". Let's assume Jax somehow learns to use Caine like powers, but still abstract and mindfuckery can start as somehow those powers are making their world tear apart. There was something there, but we got some...average type of ending. Not a horrible ending, just as someone said, failed potential.
>>153829312I honestly forgot about that
I've read summaries of the leaks but not actually watched it because fuck Portuguese I don't want to listen to Hues. Maybe it comes off worse in execution and I won't get it until I watch it, but I really don't see why everyone is up in arms, I don't see anything obviously wrong with it other than I think Caine coming back is a cop out.
>>153829377I guess some people were expecting it to be about all the characters instead of it being 70 percent about jax until the semi-rushed feeling ending. I personally enjoyed it, but it definitely didn't feel extremely satisfying or anything. It was just ok.
>Undoes all of his character development and dies for nothing
>>153829200I guess I’ve found this kind of sentiment to be utter bullshit (just for ME) for a very, very long time. It’s true if you EXCLUSIVELY only consume DISNEY TM movies and other things for VERY little kids, like fucking toddlers, but even Wolf’s Rain and the like have had endings for well over two decades where ALL of the fucking characters die I mean again - for well over TWO DECADES now for animation aimed even at just preteens?!?!?!I though TADC is a show for adults, it gets zero “points” at all for “daring” to have a “tragic” or “downer” ending (and desu it isn’t even that, it would have been super easy to end this series with ALL of the characters being deleted and/or fading away, instead a single sad thing happens and it’s mostly a happy ending).It’s fine it’s just the fact or sad things or happy things happening doesn’t inherently make the ending any better or worse, this isn’t fucking Bluey where it’s ballsy to kill somebody or something?!?!
>>153829377It's the Journey, Anon. Considering the previous episode and then see this one and you can see why people are feeling disappointed. Others are just Jaxfags and that's to be expected.>Caine coming backYeah, the execution on that one was ass.
>>153829316That's why I said they need to, you stupid retarded faggot nigger spic tranny chink jeet
>>153829415Yeah well I crapped my pants for nothing.
i will always believe
>>153829415He didn't *really* have character development, just character exposition. We found out who he really was, but he ultimately was too scared to change himself. His fate is his own fault.
>>153829415>is the only character to stay faithful to IHNMAIMS and get a tragic ending while everyone else has a super duper happy ending where they become a lesbian polycule
>>153828772I’m not…But I should be.
>>153828814That was at most one or two fags coping
>>153825151>I can't think of a ball that has ever been dropped harderI'm convinced most people saying this are teenagers or people who are too used to cartoons ending with everything happy and wrapped up in a neat bow.Digital Circus isn't even close to being among the worst cartoon finales.
>>153829444>>153829461But he was getting there.He still went along on the Escape adventure in 7 instead of abstracting and helped a lot, even if he couldn't bring himself to act like part of the group.He didn't fight against Pomni showing concern for him the way he did with Ribbit.He walked away from Zooble's concern in 7, but stayed in 8.When Zooble showed concern in 8 he covered for himself, but when Pomni did it more blatantly later he simply acknowledged her concern without arguing.And then in 9, despite being at peak hopelessness and peak self-hatred for having just lashed out at the group, he directly approached Pomni, unprompted, wanting to include himself and help out with the rebuild. He just got cold feet, feeling too worthy of rejection to go forward without reassurance. And for the first time, for no reason other than "the plot needed it" she didn't meet him halfway, so he walks away and fucking dies offscreen.
Jax's "development" in Digital Circus:>Asshole>Asshole that briefly bonds with the newbie before immediately going back to being an asshole >Spends most of his time in the episodes leading up to the finale moping around like a kicked puppy and avoiding having a conversation with anyone that can help him>DiesThis character was definitely on the road to recovery yeah
>>153829479Here’s one of them
>>153829419>It’s fine it’s just the fact or sad things or happy things happening doesn’t inherently make the ending any better or worseThis, all of this. >>153829479I think him abstracting is fine. I do agree that Pomni suddenly deciding to just not meet halfway when maybe someone else could have stopped her would have been more in-character than her just not pushing this time. There could have been a potentially interesting scene where Pomni does come meet with him after helping whoever they needed it and then Jax was half-way through abstracting at that point. There could have been something there.
ext [dot] to [slash] the-amazing-digital-circus-brazilian-leak-br-audio-en-subtitles-s01e08-s01e09-20521817Enjoy degenerates.
>>153829552Is the Glitch Leak real or just Discord users bluffing?
>>153829524he needed to rub kaufmo's belly, that wouldve stopped him from abstracting for sure.
So I think Scratch being created was a flashback because he doesn't show up later but how much of Caine escaping the void was in the past and how much was in the present?
>>153829479>Pomni expects just a tad more from him once>he crashes out and diesHe was a lost cause if that's all it took
>>153829524Look how they massacred my boy.
>>153829552I am not listening to your stupid language Fernando.
>>153829559No idea. This one is the BR one that leaked on Twitter. Someone subbed it into English.
Jax abstrsction was so rushed i thought it was decided on a whim
You can't even cope that Pomni trying to talk to him pre-abstraction would've helped because he would've handled it the same way he did with Ribbit, in fact, he did kinda handle it similarly to that in They All Get Guns
Does anyone have a torrent for episode 9 that's still being seeded?
>>153829633It genuinely was abrupt. I thought it was Gangle who abstracted off screen because she's not a major character and she seemed in a rough spot the scene afterwards where she let go of Zooble's hand and went off on her own.
>>153828027Can someone redraw the EOE hospital scene but with Jax as Shinji and Pomni as Asuka?
>>153829633It did feel abrupt, but I guess that is how it feels a lot of the time to others when someone kills themselves. Most suicides are unceremonious
>TADC faggots are in full copium mode >IT'S ACTUALLY GOOD GUYS PLEASE BELIEVE ME You trannies and fags tried to hype TADC up to be a masterpiece while shitting all over Glitch's other shows for not being as viral and watched by normalfags, children, and mentally ill twitter users. And it all ended up getting sharted back into your face when it turns out the show is abysmally written and unsatisfying therapy shit where nothing important ACTUALLY occurs. What a wet fart and hilariously overrated show.
>>153829559Probably fake. You don't announce publicly you're in before you've extracted whatever you're after.
>>153829696>It's just therapyAnon you need the therapy
>>153829696Dude…
>>153829696Meds
JAXXY DAXXY DOOOOO
I DONT NEED THERAPISTI NEED THE RAPISTTO (consensually) RAPE ME!!!
>>153829708>>153829725keep shitting yourself, tranny.
>>153829696You can't make me hate TADC, nigger
>>153829559You mean the Portuguese dub of episode 9 getting leaked? That's 100% real.
>>153829760Im deploying [ THE IMAGE ] on you for this
Amazing Digital Circus humiliation ritual. What a funny turn of events.
>>153829569the entire flashback sequence was wonky which caused a bunch of people to get confused (myself included)could be easily fixed by just making caine go "this feels like that time" or something before the first flashback swap
the bunnyno longer...funny......
>>153829800The bunny is having a cozy nap in the comfy tent that all the bunny's friends helped buildHappy End :)
>>153829800Haha, he can play dead and give me the paw now.Who's a good boy?
>>153829415>>Undoes all of his character developmentBut the point of his character is that he was too stubborn to accept help. He refused to acknowledge his own flaws and insecurities, and whenever confronted would lash out. That was his character arc. We caught the very tail end of a long winding spiral down. He starts the series as oddly loathed by several people in the circus, and only pushes Pomni away once he begins to open up. His arc ending with his death is the logical conclusion to this.
>>153828973Some of these people really need help. Getting this depressed and trying to kill yourself over a fictional character is not normal.
can't stop thinking about how bad Caine's return was. He did infinitely worse things then Jax could ever do yet it was handwaved as this Blue AI and he just needs to delete it out of him. The whole cast just accepted his apology without calling out what he did before was very dumb and people would groan till the end of time if it was Jax
>>153829856It was fucking terrible. What the actual fuck was Goose thinking? And it just happens too. Anybody who tries to defend it is straight up retarded or coping.
>>153829856I was hoping Caine would pull out the blue AI, say "I'm sorry brother. It's your turn now." and then chuck the blue AI through the door while he stays in the void.
>>153829690>>153829659The pacing with him suddenly having abstracted offscreen felt genuinely bad and hackey writing to me ngl, not a “shocking artistic choice.”It’s not THAT big of a deal and it definitely doesn’t ruin the series or anything ridiculous like that ofc, I just don’t personally think it was good. It just made me roll my eyes.
>>153829850Then why the fuck did they have him slowly open up if they were just going to kill him off? Why not have him abstract in episode 6 or 7?
>>153829781I'll reserve hating Subnautica 2 for when it's actually finished and can see what it's supposed to be
>>153829831you just know
>>153829850>But the point of his character is that he was too stubborn to accept help. He refused to acknowledge his own flaws and insecurities, and whenever confronted would lash out. That was his character arc. We caught the very tail end of a long winding spiral down. He starts the series as oddly loathed by several people in the circus, and only pushes Pomni away once he begins to open up. His arc ending with his death is the logical conclusion to this.If the main takeaway was supposed to be that he was an asshole with zero redeeming qualities who deserved to abstract, then it rings hollow since you have Caine, a flaming narcissist who psychologically and physically tortured everyone over hurt feelings, show up and become friends with everyone like nothing ever happened.If the main takeaway was that he was a cautionary tale about how you can't save someone who doesn't want to be saved, then fine. But his human self got his shit together when a friend reached out to him and as far as we can tell he's a good guy and a productive member of society which means that this cautionary tale doesn't work because bunny Jax should have been capable of the same thing.Hell, if the main takeaway is that he has bad gender dysphoria and his issues would have been fixed if he was able to freely be the girl he is inside, it doesn't work either because he's still a dude in the real world and is doing just fine.He works fine if you view him as a troubled guy who becomes worse in a high stress environment that brings out the worst in him since it shows the inherent horror of being trapped in the Digital Circus, but in that case he should have just abstracted in episode 7 since he was on the edge of doing so to begin with.His death is not well written at all, nor was his character handled well.
So like what was the point of Caine killing and consuming the blue A.I?
>>153828973this reminds me of when I was a kid reading death note and L died in the middle of the story. Must be their first favorite character death
>>153829928sequel bait/hack writing
maybe I got spoiled by look outside and fear and hunger: termina but I find the abstract kinda underwhelming in design. Each abstracted shouldve been likeabstract glitch abomination forms of themselves maybe
>>153825151>Jaxxy boy saves pomni from being trapped inside his abstracting mind instead of the flashbang bullshit>The way he does it is by entering various rooms trying to find a computer so he can "conjure" his files there to delete it>Pomni taught him that and is now following him trying to stop him from doing it>After lots of struggle he manages to do it>The abstraction explodes releasing Jax and Pomni>Pomni thought somehow Jax did it and actually survived>Wrong>Jax lost ALL his memories, not even memory of his past life>When pomni tries to hug him he simply says "do I know you?">He gets up and runs away thinking these people are strangers>He finds a mirror and sees his avatar>He then wanders into the rooms where he sees the faces of some of the cast>Then he realizes he has a room of his own and goes into it>Sees the various photos of him ribbit and kaufmo>Goes to check their rooms only to find they have X marks over them>Now confused scared and demanding answers he goes back to the gang to ask who he is>The cast explain to him what Jax was like>He laughs and tells them "that guy sounds awful">He then accepts that this place is his home now, hes still skeptical about it but there's really nothing else he can do about it>Then Caine comes back and gives the gang control of the circus like he did in the film>To waver away jax's suspicions he showed him all his memories>Jax can't believe it but finally completely accepts that used to be him>Vows to not act like his old self and stares that essentially he is a different person completely>End with the montage of all of them + caine going on various adventuresThoughts? Did I write fire? Am I modern day shakespeare?
>>153829922AI Jax is in a completely different situation to IRL Jax and thus ends up acting differently. It's not rocket science.
>>153829828>>153829831Not a happy ending
>>153829856I don’t mind Caine coming back but then I have absolutely zero interest in some morality tale where these characters get their “comeuppance” or “justice” or something and that absolutely included Jax, the entire story just hasn’t had nearly the stakes it would need to have had for me to give the slightest shit about that.I do agree that Caine is a trillion times more “evil” than Jax, but I just don’t give much of a shit about the bad things either did.
>>153829958Jax was in a far worse situation IRL than he ever was in the circus. He literally thought that he had killed his own fucking mother and had ran away thinking that any day he was going be arrested. He was completely homeless, had to worry about food, hunger, and had no friends. That Jax got his shit together when a friend reached out to him. There's no excuse for circus Jax not being able to do the same thing.
>>153829947Like Madoka witches where they reflect the worst parts of their originals?
>>153829907NTA, but I also like to point out that having him slowly open up only to kill him off doesn't really work in a tragic sense just sue to the execution of it.
Can't wait for "people" to get mad at the fact that Kinger is white
>>153829930Funny you say this because that was a shit decision too, kek, having that weird kid whose name I don't even remember just take over was cheap. So was Jax just dying for nothing.
>>153830005cubist abomination
>>153830005nta but that woulda been cool
>>153829947It’s felt a bit like extremely low-rent version of Madoka Magica’s Witches for a LONG time and even more so now.Watch just Madonna Magica: Rebellion for a way more interesting design and look at inside the mind of the person who “fell to despair.” Over the entire franchise, there are wildly elaborate and creative designs for the different Witches, too.That said, TADC is…fine. The abstractions themselves just aren’t super interesting or anything imo.
>>153830076>Madonnalol my autocorrect, MADOKA obvs
>>153830076I don't blame either of them or taking the concept. It's a fascinating one. The idea didn't even come from Madoka, but instead the many Magical Girl shows before it that used the "civilian becomes a reflection of the problems they face this episode" trope that you see in things like Sailor Moon, Shugo Chara, and some of Precure.
>>153830005A lot of people despise this and I totally get why, but I actually love how in Rebellion, some of the girls who have become witches are able to harness and use their Witch forms.The Witches are very much about a loss of innocence, but so often irl people lose their innocence or even have a complete mental breakdown and life just…does go on, even with all of that crazy nightmare shit always having happened and forever being a factor. The vast majority of the time people don’t kill themselves but have to find a way to somehow live with that.
I don't get it, so Jax actually trooned out or he is just a emo twink?
>>153829955Legitimately better than what we got. Sad— but in a more engaging way.
>>153829856I agree. The way Jax abstracted was also fucking stupid. Given how much screentime they allotted to his breakdowns in previous episodes, you'd think they would do a little more than have him nonchalantly abstract off-screen and revealed to the viewers through a fucking wipe. For a good 10 seconds I thought abstracted Jax was one of the other abstracts who escaped. I'm not saying it should've been a spectacle, but it felt so cheap and underbaked.
>>153825151Jax is so toxic even the mortal combat Jax is dead to me
>>153830151Yeah. I think it's fine if they earn the power like Iroha in MaGia Record or Sayaka in Rebellion since she turned into Oktavia in nearly 100 different timelines. They both went though a lot of personal struggles and were practically consumed by them in order to get that power
>>153830156I think he's an alt e-boy twink. In real life he can make friends and fool around in Zooble's LGBT bar and decide he's just a theatre kid but in the circus he falls down the self loathing transphobic egg hole
I'm so depressed and angry about the ending. Jax being saved, living with what he's done, trying to atone for his sins and being saved by people he has repeatedly pushed away and hurt because they are better people than him would have been a beautiful ending.Instead an isolated, mentally ill person has their final ask for help rejected, and dies screaming in fear regretting their choice to kill themselves whilst the one person who did try and help at the last minute is ripped away from them. And the ending shows that everyone is happier and better off with them dead. it's gross, it's awful. They could fix it with another episode de-abstracting Jax, showing that the abstractions are reversable. Ending the series with hope and kindness.
>>153830203Awful, woeful whore den.
>>153830207Anon have you ever heard of a tragic ending before? Jax dying was the only way his character could go down.
>>153830207I wanted something more to "I Have no Mouth" ending.
>>153829955>This ending>+>Pomni means remember in russianHOLY FUAKKING KINO
>>153830198Well right, I hate a cheap thing where they easily switch into it, but it becoming a part of them after endless hard work and suffering just feels very real. For those of us who survive to adulthood, it just feels like a part of life, the story resonates to me, you’ll never ever be able to be the person you once were but you HAVE learned things you can use by going through all of that pain.
>>153830021I was one of the few L fans that actually liked Near, but I get why people didn't like the 2nd half. It was a risky move killing him off to show there were actual stakes in the story, but it didn't pay off as much as it could have.
>>153830003Circus Jax believed he outright killed her and never knew better until he opened up to Ribbit. He also was coping the entire time that none of this was real, and as such the facade of him being "the funny one" couldn't slip. He shut people out because the situation he was in/believed himself to be in was far worse than whatever pre-circus Jax was up to, including homelessness.
>>153829955Is Gasoline fire...
Wait so Jax goes through the same arc Deep from the boys did?
>>153830252Yeah it's like using your trauma to help other people and protect yourself.
>>153830251Yeah, but Goose is too far up their own ax wound to come up with something that actually fits with proper foreshadowing. It’s just blunt hugbox crybaby therapy crap.
>>153829955Gooseworx if she lost her memory just before writing the finale be like
>>153830270Jax being a queer POC homeless kid is part of why I really hate the “it’s a great thing he died and he got what he deserved” angle honestly, although I really didn’t get that impression at all for the episode.One thing that makes it really weird and uncomfortable to watch for me though is Gooseworx seeming to have Jax as a self-insert and it does kind of feel like there’s a lot of self-loathing and self-deprecation there. I’m not sure why but I feel like that kind of thing has a limit, I know writing in general is about therapy and exorcising demons a lot of always. But it feels to me like I’m watching someone beat up on themselves sometimes.
>>153825388>>153830239Fuck you Gooseworx
>>153830380Zooble should die so Caine can become an actual villain.
>>153830380>>153830391>IDW Sonic writing
>>153830220>Jax dying was the only way his character could go down.no, Jax being saved by people who were better than him, as the plot of the entire show was leading to, would have been better. Zooble will always be guilty about her role in Jax's abstraction. Ragatha will always be guilty for failing to Help JaxGangle will never get to confront Jax over his treatment of herPomni lost her friend, who she had a strong connection with, and will always regret not helping him when he asked for help the last timeAnd none of them will ever get the apologies they deserve from Jax. Killing Jax of didn't bring a single positive influence to anyone's life.
>>153830391>>153830380Better ending than what we got desu
>>153830380>>153830391>>153830408>Digital Circus fans unironically want Digital Circus to be written like Sonic the Hedgehog That's how you know this fandom has niggers in it!
>>153830408>Zooble should die so Caine can become an actual villain.This part is crucial
>>153830378>Jax being a queer POC homeless kid is part of why I really hate the “it’s a great thing he died and he got what he deserved”But you'd like it if he was White is what you're saying. You're all such disgusting people, spouting therapy mumbo jumbo while being full of nothing but hate and spite in your brown shitty poop hearts.
Eh. TADC may have turned out to be a bit of a letdown but I at least enjoyed the fuck out of Murder Drones kino. I think Gooseworx injecting their personal issues into TADC is the worst thing about it personally.
>>153830449Zooble dying would have been better than Jax dying, because she has also rejected any connection with others until very recently. And she was the most upset about being unable to leave.Imagine Zooble abstracting, and Jax comforting her, apologizing for everything, promising to never hurt her again
>>153830408The difference is the Sonic IDW actually has good writing.
So it's canon they fucked?
>>153830482LolLmao
>>153830464every single dude that I’ve seen capitalize white like that has always been very swarthy for some reason
>>153830465>Gooseworx injecting their personal issues into TADC is the worst thing about it personally.To be fair, this is the usual pitfall of tranny writing and I'm not sure why anyone expected anything different from a troubled troon like Goose.
>>153828973"mourning"
What would be better, Jax not abstracting and being saved at the last minute by the collective effort of everyone, crying, thanking everyone, apologizing for everything, promising to never be mean to any of them againorJax being unabstracted by their effort afterwards, showing that abstraction is reversable.
>>153830484Obviously
>>153830498>hehe, you don't hate White people? I bet you're brownAs insane a response as claiming every homophobe is secretly gay, or an egg or whatever you troons call it these days.
>>153830471Also she is the reason why caine started to glitch.
>>153829156Sudden dawning horror about why they look like a yinglet.
>>153830549>on a side with <47% american traffic makes sense really
>>153825151>Is this the single greatest example of “wasted potential” in the history of both Film and Animation?Not even close. In terms of recent Western Animation, Gravity Falls is the MUCH bigger wasted potential.
>>153830220The only tragedy I want is Abstragedy
>>153830151Agree with you here
>>153830559Totallyhttps://youtu.be/xevxDu03O7c?si=DZ54KEZfY8wGfgYj
>>153830414The entire show was leading to Jax's abstraction.
I am fond or Ragatha’s posterior
>>153830678Or a Villain arc, he would do something against the group, a betrayal, anything like in "I have no mouth"This was pathetic.
>>153828973>TwitterfagsAnon...
>>153830207>>Instead an isolated, mentally ill person has their final ask for help rejected, and dies screaming in fear regretting their choice to kill themselves whilst the one person who did try and help at the last minute is ripped away from them. And the ending shows that everyone is happier and better off with them dead.It's realistic. Mentally ill and anti social people usually don't have redemption arcs. Let this be a message. It's a warning. You all need to see the reality of it, so you can fight it.
>>153830685Finally a sign of intelligence in this thread
> > 153825151 You know what I hate?They’re just data on a server in some building, still running on power that could be shut off any day. The company stopped working on the AI and just left it running on a server in an abandoned building like it was nothing, even though it was conscious.You know what else I hate? These fucking CAPTCHAs that look like they were made by ChatGPT. Sometimes they don’t even have the correct picture, and after you do it once, you have to do it again. Then when you do it again, you have to do it a final time just to post. What the fuck is this shit, a CUNY school login?
>>153830414Season 2 should have the over arching plot of them figuring out how to reverse abstraction.
>>153830207I completely agree. It just felt pointless. There was no reversal, and we didn't really learn anything. They could have made it a beautiful story that would have left the viewer with bittersweet and ultimately hopeful memories, but when I think about the last act's story as a whole, I feel dull. They didn't even imply things could get better, and they couldn't even say goodbye. It was a genuinely heartless move from the writers.
>jax>jacks >j-ACKswe knew from the very beginning
>>153830719Anon, we all wanted a Villain arc, LIKE in I have no Mouth.
>>153830719It's hard for me to believe you guys aren't bots when you all post this same line about every show with a shitty ending,>it's realistic, it's what the character would do, have you even watched the previous episodes?This is a story that someone made up and decided to present to other people, it is bot a documentary, it has been proven that humans operate on a "monkey see, monkey do" basis, by presenting awful hateful depressing media that tells people, "If you're toxic you should kill yourself so everyone else can be happier without you." You are going to fuck up people's lives and bring more self-hatred and mental illness into the world. Artists have a lot of power and it's time they start showing more responsibility.
>>153830792
I wish the fanbase wasn’t so toxic so Goose may consider doing a season 2
>>153830536Un-abstraction needs to be the plot of Season 2
>>153830813
>>153830815Goose just needs to hand it over to me and I’ll make a perfect Season 2 that will satisfy 99.9% of everyone.
>>153830815Anon, it's audience native from Tumblr.
>>153830792I don't. Mentally ill people aren't monsters, even though they can act like it.>>153830795This is just nonsense lmao.
>>153830815>Goose may consider doing a season 2oh god please don't >>153830841hand it over to this guy instead, I have a lot more faith in him
>>153830881>people aren't monstersPeople can Become Monsters, you Leftoid Stevenfag.
>>153830795>Getting filtered by "Suicide is a bad thing, actually"
>>153830896Can become but they're not inherently
>>153830391Caine should have said>HER CATCHPHRAAAAaaaa[...]
>>153830922And Jax was not that case, you Stevenfag.
>>153830795>"If you're toxic you should kill yourself so everyone else can be happier without you."Yeah. If you're an evil bastard then the world is objectively better off without you.If you relate to being a horrible piece of shit with no redeeming qualities, that says a lot about you and not us.
>>153830795>>it's realistic, it's what the character would do, have you even watched the previous episodes?>>153830719>It's realisticthe whole point was Pomni, and sometimes even Zooble reaching out to Jax, begging him to accept their help. Then when he does they just... don't help him?
you know this takes me back to the SU Malachite days. Not because of the plot point itself but the dicussion surrounding it. I was not even part of the fandom back then or ever
>>153830719I mean, by your description right there, nobody who is mentally ill CAN “fight it,” their imminent suicide or dying some other way is inevitable and also good? lol watching “everyone should kill themselves” 4chan posters act like they’re dispensing morality and wisdom when they spend their days abusing and bullying and telling people to kill themselves if not advocating outright genocide or something is fucking rich.Also you can love or hate the ending or in between, but I don’t believe for a split second that this is going to “help” a single person (and from your comment you don’t think this is possible, either). Though a redemption arc is the same, it wouldn’t “help” anyone.This is a goofy cartoon web series, it’s absolutely not therapy and should not and cannot be one way or the other. You shouldn’t been watching this shit as a substitute for therapy anyway.The ending is good or bad without considering how it works or doesn’t work as “therapy” and most people don’t want a fucking lecture from a cartoon show, either.
>>153830966>that says a lot about you and not us.We all 4chan saveboard anons, no one is better nor worse, we all jax.
>>153830982>4chan posters act like they’re dispensing morality and wisdom when they spend their days abusing and bullying and telling people to kill themselves if not advocating outright genocide or something is fucking rich.You're not from around these parts, are ya?
>>153830795It’s less “if you’re toxic kys” and more “if you’ve been repeatedly given chance after chance to end your own self-absorbed hatred by the only people left who could still possibly care about you, it’s up to you to take the risks of vulnerability by being seen and heard. If you fail that, there will be a point of no return where the only one left to help you is yourself.”
>>153830966Somebody saying other randos online should kill themselves like you just did is my definition of a horrible person deal.Like Jax is basically people like you who bully people online because “lol it’s not real” but you’re worse because he doesn’t actually go around telling people “kys.” You’re the Jax but worse. It’s you.
>>153831019What makes this fall flat is that human Jax got better under arguably much worse circumstances.
did goose underestimate the vast amount of people whose made this show their comfort/therapy?there was no way this tragic ending with conflicting moral points was a good idea to a wide-as-an-ocean, deep-as-a-puddle audience. this was a severe misstep, right?
yea i cannot take the "not taken the chance given" thing seriously with the Caine asspull happening mimutes later i'll be real
>>153830966What do you think actually happens to the family and friends of a person who commits suicide, even if they are a bad person? The trauma doesn't go away, and the chance of them committing suicide increases, it spreads. If you want to make the world a worse place, keep telling damaged people they are inherently evil and can never be fixed or forgiven and that they're better off dead.It's insane to me that I even have to type this out, that so many people don't understand this and are full of hate and bloodlust. This is a dark time for the collective unconscious, it's clear that WW3 and mass suffering is near, because none of you realize how evil you're becoming. Mainstream media has never been more hateful and repulsive and destructive than it is now. It's like anti-art, it exists to shrink and diminish the soul and eradicate the imagination.
>>153831042human jax had it worse that being trapped in a virtual reality torture chamber?
Good night everyone and don't kill yourselves.Setup a livestream first.
>>153831071Yes. Jax in the real world had feared he killed his mom, was homeless, and had to worry about eating, sleeping, and thought he was completely friendless until someone reached out to him. Jax wasn't even close that level of fucked in the circus.
>>153831042I think the circumstances were largely the same, if not worse in the circus. At least in the real world he could be respected as an individual human being with autonomy, and not a cartoon rabbit. I also think being brain-scanned into the circus stops one’s consciousness from aging or developing, which would explain why Jax acts like that because he still had a few more years of brain development to happen, he was the youngest out of the cast when he entered, and was obviously in a very rough place mentally.
>>153830787Kek
>>153831063The message is that an evil demonic artificial intelligence that tortures people in the worst way possible is more valuable and worthy of forgiveness than a toxic chud who refuses to go to therapy and get on SSRIs. Genuinely a disgusting piece of media.
>>153831072pay attention, nooseworx
>>153830657Homelander didn't have a worthy ending either... and yeah, in the series he end up humiliated.
>>153831039>Somebody saying other randos online should kill themselves like you just did is my definition of a horrible person deal.You're misunderstanding the culture here.When we tell someone to kill themselves, we don't really mean it. Well, sometime they do, but it comes from a place where the culture is more rough and crude to begin with. We don't pretend to be all "love and peace and acceptance" because that's not how it is. It's far worse, and kind of evil, to act like 2014 Tumblr (no idea how it is over there now) where it's all about being nice and accepting because when those people tell you to off yourself, they mean it. I don't want one single anon to die. Not one. But if someone on bluesky told me to kill myself? I'd believe they would actually want me to do it.
>>153831017I’ve been coming here on and off for a LONG time, and I’m not proud of it, because it makes me a worse and more miserable person when I do come here. To be honest, I mostly do avoid it these days, and am here right now only because a lot of places online are banning discussion of the leaked episode.Anyway 4chan has a reputation of being wall-to-wall toxic mentally ill abusers everywhere online and even irl for very good and solid reasons. /co/ has and used to have a reputation as a relatively decent board compared to, say, /pol/, but /pol/ started leaking a long time ago (even before /pol/ existed that mindset was around here containment board etc.) and since the standard is being a Nazi school shooter it’s not hard to not sink to the worst depths.Unless you meant 4chan posters being fucking hypocrites in which case lol yeah no surprise at all.
>>153828814Because it would be stupid to spend like three goddamn episodes on a vindictive piece of shit just stalling before he kills himself.
>>153831144Is always the same tale, no one on their right mind will take that "kys" seriously.
>>153830966You never acted like an asshole because of your insecurities?
>>153831090>had feared he killed his momCircus Jax never got closure on whether or not he did that. The lingering chance that you may have murdered your own mother would fuck anybody up pretty badly.
>>153831115But if Jax troon out earlier, she would’ve not abstract.
>>153831090>Yes. Jax in the real world had feared he killed his mom, was homeless, and had to worry about eating, sleeping, and thought he was completely friendless until someone reached out to him.Jax in the circus feared he killed his motherand nobody ever told him that he didn'the died thinking he was a murderer, screaming for help, terrified, his only friend being ripped away from him
>>153831149>I’ve been coming here on and off for a LONG time, and I’m not proud of it, because it makes me a worse and more miserable person when I do come here.That sounds like a problem. You either need exposure therapy, the self-control to not come here, or you need to accept that other people can have cultures different than your own. You are reading us as if we're all tumblrfags who speak and interact following those rules. We're not. You just came into our house, called us disgusting, and said you have nowhere else to go. How entitled is that?
>White straight maleWrites about heroism, despair, hope, nihilism, faith, etc. etc. etc. Overall humanity>Black peopleMUH RACISM>LGBT "My life revolves around my gender/sexuality"White men must save everyone.
>>153828683My theory is that Goose did not get as good of a deal as he expected when this shit started blowing up. Glitch took all the money from the mountains of merch, barely paid anyone but the executives, and made decisions without input from the team, forcing them to work harder, longer hours than they'd otherwise be legally required to... But they're all technically freelancers and contract workers, so either they work themselves to death or they don't get to say they worked on the extremely popular indie cartoon.The tone of his posts over the last few weeks comes off as being deeply tired and unhappy with how things turned out on the production side. I don't think he's really been reading every tweet and reddit post. It's not like he's pissed off that the fan theories are wrong or that fans didn't understand what he was going for. He doesn't care about the leak. He doesn't that people don't like the ending or where the show ended up. It sounds like he's only just now realizing he's walking away from multiple years of non-stop intensive work, probably 100+ hour work weeks, and he's probably got a minimum wage salary to show for it, and the unfortunate reality that glitch will continue to milk his idea for years to come while he struggles to work on literally anything else for the rest of his life.
>>153831196As usual.
>>153831149I've had way more compassion and understanding from anons calling me a faggot than I ever had from the "nice" side of the internet. Maybe you should consider that the mentally ill people foe which your heart is bleeding might benefit more from seome calling them out on their shit than a Steven Universe hug session.
>>153825151So now that I think about it, I'm torn on TADC's ending. On the one hand, its transformation into The Jax Show culminating in Jax becoming a dog forever is hilarious, but on the other hand, I can tell Goose was gooning to "my self-insert going insane and being transformed into a humiliated cuckdog".
>>153831144Kids post here although obviously they shouldn’t do it. And though of course they shouldn’t, should people take responsibility for being healthy and mature or shouldn’t they because they can’t always claim it’s not technically their responsibility?I just meant if you were actually serious about taking responsibility for all of your actions and being moral etc. you wouldn’t tell randos here to kill themselves at all. You have no idea how old they are or if they “get” that people who say “kill yourself” don’t “mean” it. Also, frankly, this place is shit and a lot of people actually do want other anons to kill themselves.It’s just ironic as hell. If anything, Jax is most damning as a caricature of that kind of “lol it’s just jokes and trolling it’s just the culture” Internet behavior and I strongly suspect that Goose was a part of these kinds of communities and Jax is a bit about this.
>>153831165It's okay when he does it because he's part of the in-group (Gangle and her fast food torture of the others, Zooble being a rude cunt, Caine torturing everyone) it's all okay if you're Trans, gay, lesbian, or a non-human artificial intelligence meant to represent the demiurge, you will always be given the benefit of the doubt and forgiven. But are you a toxic straight White male chud incel? You need to die, you are inherently evil, you are part of the out group and you deserve no sympathy, no tolerance, your existence is an affront to trannies who want to create a Henry Darger esque world where everyone is a lesbian hermaphrodite with no male features beyond possibly a penis, futa world in the pillow fort, lesbians with no sharp edges or toxic traits, a Care Bear orgy for the mentally insane, and we can't be having your toxicity and maleness interrupting our fantasy world, you must die so that we aren't living in fear of your scary man hands and testosterone rage.
Do you think Goose will noose?
>>153830982People who are mentally ill, especially if it's rooted in things like insecurity and family trauma, can fight it. And I'm not saying it's good that it happens, I'm saying it's realistic that these people don't get help. Suicide is very common. But you should, you should seek genuine help and also try to work introspection.
>>153831235>hilariouswhy do people use that word to mean"supports my world view and is upsetting to people with different opinions to myself"?
>>153831063To be real I agree and the Caine asspull was legendarily bad with its timing but I also believe it was meant to set up the narrative foil of Jax as a “doomed” character. Caine wanted the circus to be real and matter just as much as the people inside it seemed to, but he didn’t understand why until the end, after discarding his other half and seeing the raw data from their brain scans. Jax wanted everything in the circus to be fake and not matter, so in the end he discards his identity and becomes formless and volatile. Caine never had a “chance” to take until the end because he arguably didn’t even fully comprehend what humans were until then. Jax was given about half a million, and he willfully refused to accept his reality. They’re different characters, they have different arcs, but they’re similar for a reason.
>>153831239You have to be 13 to post here. That said, I did grow up on the free internet, so I don't know what it's like to be a kid who grew up in the Club Penguin days. Parents should be monitoring their children's internet usage.That said, your argument is kind of bullshit. You're acting a culture to censor itself because an outsider might be negatively affected. Would you apply that same logic to anything else? When was the last time you told a Muslim to let a woman into the men's side of the mosque or told a Jewish guy he needs to sit on a chair a woman just bled in?
Why did this show spend so much time on this gross abuser character?
>>153831265Hope not.If anything I hope he takes his money and goes off to live a happy retired life somewhere.
>>153831294Goose's black mirror into her toxic personality
>>153831294The creator is a Troon, that explains everything... also from Tumblr.>>153830861
>>153830501I remember back during episode 1 - 3 the biggest joke/fear was that Goose would make the entire story about being a tranny.Turns out the fears were warranted.
>>153831306*His
>>1538311494chan isn't even more toxic than any other mainstream social media site (the more inclusive they claim they are, the more toxic, in my experience). There are lots of trolls and bored people being edgy, but the reputation is way overblown.
>>153825151>SUCK MY DICK, CAINE >EAT MY SHIT!What did he mean by this?
>>153831019Thank you for wording it so well
>>153831306>her
>>153831329kek
>>153831189Oh lol, no I don’t need therapy for posting to a board sometimes, everyone wastes time on little things they shouldn’t in life.It’s not as big a deal as you’re making it out to be, I’m just laughing at posters on 4chan who tell people to kill themselves diagnosing kids who like a purple rabbit cartoon character as irreversibly mental ill based on nothing but that, it’s fucking retarded. And I fucking hate Jax, waste of a character who ruined the whole show.Your “let ironically!” telling people to self-harm and that bullying makes people stronger or something just adds a big dose of irony when you’re talking about Jax. I imagine him posting this.
>>153831330Fuck you, Goose.
>>153831327>>153831338She's cute, I'd let her be my girl.
>>153831271Caine's asspull were horrific from start to finish not just the timing of it
>>153831294It's the creator's self-insert.
>>153825151I thing This Show should have 12 episodes likes a Good anime if they wanted to put their fucking Gangle episode.
>>153831346I didn't mean literal therapy. I meant: You came here because your normal haunts aren't letting you express yourself. So you came to us and started lecturing us about how terrible we are and how we should feel responsible for the actions of others, lik we have some objection to your collective. Do you not see your own behavior?
>>153831354
>>153831391You made it about yourself when you replied to me about her pronouns. You don't have to care that I respect it.
>>153831402Well i don't, and i'm tired of doing that.
>>153831287I mean I’m legally justified to say Christians/Jews/Mormons should all kill themselves on r/atheist or whatever, at least in the U.S. it’s fine and they “shouldn’t be posting there or should keep that subreddit’s culture in mind” and I’m technically in the clear yeah sure.But does it make me kind of a dick? I mean yeah it does. It’s not a big deal honestly. But I’m not performing admirable moral charity even if I’m thinking “no they need to hear this” that’s fucking crazy self glaze. It just is what it is.
>>153831402You're enabling a lie.You're choosing to lie to protect the feelings of someone who isn't even here, for the sake of other people who you think will feel sad if you don't lie.You're perpetuating a system of lies ANONYMOUSLY, which means even when you have the safety to tell the truth, you either feel safer perpetuating the lie, or feel like you're a good person for doing so.
>>153831383>YOU THINK I SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR HOW MY ACTIONS EFFECT OTHER PEOPLE?!?! FUCK YOU, KILL YOURSELF, YOU CAN'T BLAME ME FOR ANYRHING!You are literally Jax. No self-awareness at all, I have more sympathy for you than you do and you don't even realize the person you hate and want to die is you.
>>153825642>an animated streaming series that literally got into movie theaters— basically as high as you can go for an animated movie/franchiseI am not joking when I say that TADC is the "Hasbro's Horse franchise that got so popular thanks to its iconic 2010s installment that it had to get a containment board due to how much it was spammed in /co/ and beyond.https://boards.4chan.org/mlp/" that happens once every generation. I say that as someone who is not into the series.IHF's mess is nowhere near comparable within its series, and I am still mad over how disrespected Adult Gert was during the revival run after her death with how she might as well not exist except for a 2 issue mini arc and Happy End Game has her as a glorified background character who only exists to make Happy more powerful while ignoring their history, she does not even get a single line of dialogue in the final issue she appears in.
>>153831358Sure, but he is also the all-knowing omnipotent AI-ruler of the circus, which is his entire universe. I think we all expected him to be permadead after ep 8, but it’s not entirely shocking to me that he ended up alive. What IS shocking is that in the 20+ years of being basically God (and even creating NPCs to refer to him as such) he never ventured outside of what he knew, and kept the void a convenient unexplored plot device until the very end after he was deleted. That is the most unbelievable part. Everything else needs to be framed in relation to Jax’s arc to complete the whole picture.
>>153826894Yeah, the finale makes sense as a self-indulgent fantasy of someone who hates themselves. But once you put art out into the world, you have to realise it's no longer your personal diary, it's going to connect with people. And it's ironic that someone who condemns Jax so much fails to honour that connection.Goose might be alive, but she clearly hasn't moved on from the Jax mindset. This finale reinforces everything that was Jax's undoing, and meanwhile Goose has been openly flailing in a hell of her own making for months. It feels hypocritical, and darkly ironic that someone who clearly hasn't figured it out has done damage to people actively seeking out hope in her work.With everything she's said on social media, it seems like she just isn't cut out for show running, and should have stuck to doing weird little low stakes cartoons on her own where everything's wrapped up in a few minutes and no one places any real weight on any of it. And from what she's saying lately, she'd probably agree. Instead, millions of people got dragged through what turned out to be a three year effort all devoted to a masochistic fantasy about killing herself.I think Glitch has a lot of responsibility here too. Giving creatives room to do what they like is fine, but clearly Goose lacked a lot of support with the hours she was pulling, the scrutiny, the stress, the burnout. Not to mention the finale being taken out of her hands, put in theatres, and then leaked, all while Glitch has ditched her to focus on Next Product. A lot of the stress and fallout could have been avoided if they just gave her a few notes, helping her make the story more clear and cohesive, and spared a thought for suicide prevention guidelines when making a show for teenagers.
>>153831383I don’t think you’re particularly terrible or should neck yourself or feel responsible, I just find the “Jax fans are all horrible people who should feel terrible and responsible and should kill themselves” moral lecture posts here hilarious for obvious reasons. I don’t think either liking Jax OR posting to 4chan are actually big deals.
>>153831487It feels like almost all popular media is doing nothing but damage these days, irresponsible evil stuff that will hopefully be forgotten sooner rather than later so people can heal. This stuff makes the world a worse place.
>>153828814Not a single thing he did through episodes 1-8 were as bad as what we saw in the flashbacks in episode 9, that alone shows the capacity for improvement. And I'm not going through it again, but if you didn't see steady improvement from 7 through to just before he abstracts in 9, I don't know what you were watching.Jax isn't a subtle character, if the intent was to show him getting progressively worse and then dying... well for one, that sounds like a really shitty, boring, pointless story, but second, it would have been extremely easy to tell that story clearly.
>>153831458I'm not the anon who was saying that. I'm the anon who took issue with the criticisms of this place in general. We're two different guys.
Why was this such a Jax-centric show if he simply kills himself in the final episode? That's not a good story.
>>153825151Why tf are there two different threads?? AnywaysI've figured it out, there's two main types that hate this ending after being present in almost all the threads from the start of the leaksYou got the happy ending camp, and the sacrificial camp>In the happy ending camp is where the self inserters are, these who wished their insert(Jax) survived and they get to imagine him have canonical sex with pomners and get laid with all the gals having his own harem.>While the sacrificial camp are those that want Jax to do something good before he dies, ie saving pomni or ragatha or the entire circus etc.. they want that ryan gosling type shit, that tears in the rain bleed out in the snow ending, "he's literally me"
>>153831498Don't disagree with you there. Looks like we found our common ground.Thanks for the conversation. I'll let you get back to the spoilers.
How would Goose react if troubled teens made suicide pacts and committed mass suicides in the movie theaters playing The Last Act while dressed in Jax costumes?
>>153831591She would take a potato chip, and eat it!!
>>1538314984chan has always been Ragatha-leaning since she's submissive and traditionally feminine. You're not going to get a lot of love for Jax here.It's not surprise that all of the threads since the ending leaked have been spamming Ragatha and Ragapom.
>>153831549Fair enough, I don’t think we actually have a point of contention then, since to be honest I’m just shadowboxing with him here. Have a nice day, sincerely. Nice to talk to you.
>>153831591Um, awkward turtle?
>>153828838>and it also made it so that Ribbit also refused to save herself as wellYeah, I honestly have no fucking idea what the intent was with all of this.Is it that Jax is bad and caused his friends to die and is getting what he earned? Or is it that Jax is killing himself with survivor's guilt and needs to take a step back, realise Ribbit had her own issues, reassess his poor treatment of her in a more proportional context, and recognise that by trying to kill himself he's risking leaving the rest of the group in a similar state of guilt that he's been living in?Like, we don't even know if he was aware that abstraction was a risk when all this shit went down, the lore is so messy.I think Goose doesn't understand the difference between "no easy answers" and simply "vague with nothing to really say and not enough information to make a judgement about what happened or what the intent was." And it's plain irresponsible to intentionally attempt to divide the audience on a topic so sensitive as "did this guy deserve to kill himself" for a show with a very young audience.
>>153831609I hope that's not really what they'd do because it is going to happen and that will be a sick reaction to what is coming.
>>153831640>it is going to happenThat’s a lot of confidence you have, anon. Got any plans for the premiere?
>>153831611Nah man that’s me too, I’d delete Jax entirely to give Ragatha and Ragaom more screentume if I could because Ragatha is by far my favorite TADC character and Jax is a shit character, the moral lecture posts about Jax are just what’s making me roll my eyes. Jax fans are guilty of having putrid taste in TADC characters but I don’t assume anything else about them.
>>153828879I think he liked Zooble (or at least found her entertaining), the dynamic between them in his mind palace was the most funBut in the end it's not really a matter of liking or not liking. He couldn't bond with Ragatha because he couldn't trust her sincerity, he couldn't bond with Gangle because her weakness was a mirror of himself, and he couldn't bond with Zooble because her openness to alternative gender expression reminded him of what a faggot he is
Watching the leaked last episode, it's actually not a bad ending. The worst part is Caine suddenly having a change of heart and becoming a good guy. Not a fan of there being no cure for abstracting either. The rest was the usual.
>>153829106IRL Jax being alive just goes to show that Circus Jax was a product of his environment and reinforces that Caine (who just fucking shows up in the next scene) was the real villain
>it's a realistic cautionary taleNo one will come out of this ending a better person and no one will remember it and find it deep or inspiring, it doesn't even commit to the tragedy aspect by asspulling a happy ending by literal lobotomy instead of confronting a very complex issue. Even I Have no Mouth is less sadistic to its protagonist, for fuck's sake.
>>153831707Anon, your tastes are actually wouful
>>153831268People who thought TADC squandering its potential to focus on its least interesting main cast member was a good idea should be upset.
>>153829445His ending was genuinely worse and more pessimistic than IHNMAIMS, it was just pointless self hatred and he died for no reason other than a bad split second decision to abstract in a moment of weakness that he instantly regretted.Ted got slugged because for the first time in his life he did something compassionate for his fellow sufferers.Something being sad isn't the same as being tragic or poignant.
>>153831487I mean, having the people who are working through their mental illness, trying to use their audience to work through their mental illness, when that audience also often suffers from mental illness is just a recipe for maximum disaster.
>>153829524So you agree it's poorly written and meaningless?
>>153831783Ted>At least the four of them are safe at last. AM will be all the madder for that. It makes me a little happier.Jax>[crying and having a panic attack as he gets flashbanged] I DON'T WANT TO GO
>>153831781They are.
Is it actually a bad ending or is /co/ just having a psychotic breakdown over nothing again?
>>153831821Gooseworx betrayed the Source!
>>153829538>I think him abstracting is fine. I do agree that Pomni suddenly deciding to just not meet halfway when maybe someone else could have stopped her would have been more in-character than her just not pushing this time. There could have been a potentially interesting scene where Pomni does come meet with him after helping whoever they needed it and then Jax was half-way through abstracting at that point. There could have been something there.Literally all they needed to do was have him freak out on her at the start the same way he did at Ragatha and Zooble, chewing her out for coming at Caine so hard. That would have been reason enough for her to be gun-shy about interacting with him, and would make his decision to walk away feel more earned.
>>153831841If you don't like jax and were in for the setting like learning the inner working of the circus and seeing more adventures, then yeah it was terribleFuck me for being interested into the world instead of the cry baby emo boy
>>153831833Good.
>>153831783I think the ending to IHNMAIMS is both more hardcore edgy dark (infamously so) but also ultimately more meaningful and uplifting while being obviously tragic in many different ways.Of course I don’t expect TADC to be at the level of a famous piece of classic literature that’s taught in schools, and it doesn’t HAVE to have a meaningful ending, or even an ending at all.Still, it’s not levels of sad or happy that determines if an ending is good or bad. It’s about specifics of execution and is of course subjective too.
>>153831852That direction had been set in stone long ago by this point. This is just about balancing the scales.
>/co/ behaving like a scorned lover over a cartoon not going in the direction they wanted>/co/ screaming and crying because goose clearly did this to slight /co/ personally>againits like /v/ with Mike all over again
>>153831850Incredible how much Caine and Jax got shit on narratively despite getting endings that are polar opposites.
>>153831841Jax's section is misery porn and makes up a large part of the endingPast that the rest is trying to convince you that everyone that remains is actually best friends and love each other despite having been pushed aside the majority of the time for the faggot rabbit so it feels unearned.All the real life shit is meaningless. Anyone with half a brain would say "These aren't even the characters we fell in love with who gives a fuck about their real selves" but Glitch had to include this section to appease all the retards who imagined their real selves because they had small brains.It's a pretty mediocre ending. Not as bad as Jaxfags would have you believe, not as a good as Ragapomtards would have you believe.
>>153829635Aside from the crashout in episode 6, nothing about how he treated Pomni came close to how he treated Ribbit. He was much more open to letting Pomni in, even if he was slow and needed space
>>153831882>Incredible how much Caine and Jax got shit on narratively They're both Goose's self-inserts.
>>153831875Yes I started falling off the series after episode 5 because of thatI still stuck just to see how it ended and I am glad I kept my expectations low, but I am still upset at the missed and squandered potential
>>153831841It’s not terrible or even bad at all really but if you don’t give a shit about Jax in particular as a character a large part of it is very tedious the same as the gun episode. If it hadn’t been the story’s finale I’d be less dissapointed because any scenes that focus on that character are meh to me and I’d hope it would be about Pomni instead.
In hindsight all the posts from Goose on Bluesky about torturing Jax and other such hideous shit are really fucking weird and should probably have him thrown into mandatory therapy.
>>153831841It’s just drama farming and exaggeration
>>153831875Only because Goose is a stubborn fool who sacrificed the happiness of millions for his own little mentally ill therapy session.
>>153829856It feels like Goose was desperate to try and lighten the mood so did a hard cut into a goofy utopia where Jax is a happy braindead dog and the circus is fun now
>>153829789This is the oddest of the things people got hung up on because it's probably the most like a non-shitty work in terms of cinematography and in every single thread I've seen people who are (accurately) shitting on the movie for other reasons get completely filtered by the movie trying to be good for a single scene.
>>153831919It betrays that Goose didn't really want to tell a story. He just wanted to have some obnoxious twink suffer and have a realistic panic attack. The fact that they spent any time giving other characters screentime and quasi-development was just so he could build up more tension and anticipation for the next scene where Jax is mean and then the next eventual scene where Jax is suffering.
>>153829958Which means the difference is not in who Jax is as a person, it's in the circumstances he was placed in. So his death goes back to not being earned, and being primarily the responsibility of the guy who trapped him in the circus, tortured him to death, and then decided "by the way I'm alive again and I'm chill now, let's all be friends"
>>153830003>Jax was in a far worse situation IRL than he ever was in the circus. He literally thought that he had killed his own fucking mother and had ran away thinking that any day he was going be arrested. He was completely homeless, had to worry about food, hunger, and had no friends.Circus Jax experienced all that too, and never got to know if his mother was okay. IRL Jax eventually learned things were fine and was able to forgive himself.
>>153831841It's actually marvellously good (Jax's ending, Caine is meh)
>>153829850Logical conclusion would have been a character arc. Jax got traumatized before and became and asshole as a copy mechanism. And then someone new showed up and connected with him enough for him to open up. He backs away at the last second, but then realizes he needs to be able to trust again if he ever wants to live without feeling insane and miserable all the time.If he was just supposed to be a miserable faggot who was only ever a problem, he should have been the one to abstract in episode 1, instead of Kaufmo.
>>153830190>For a good 10 seconds I thought abstracted Jax was one of the other abstracts who escaped.lol same, and that was AFTER I'd already seen the clip of him dying with Pomni and knew it was coming at some stageI just figured "oh, I guess people were right about the cellar opening up and escaped abstractions being a point of danger in this episode"
>>153831841>reveal that they're brain scans in the first 10 minutes, they get over it offscreen and immediately learn to conjure >Jax also abstracts offscreen>Jax's flashback isn't even visually interesting, it's like looking at a prolonged VR chat session>Caine Ex Machina, lol I cured my 20 years of trauma like a robot even though the narrative was hinting at how human I was!>Pomni did absolutely nothing of value other than pry in a dying man's mind and not even managing to actually comfort him>"look, forget existential dread, the alternate universe version of you at least is happy!">WOW WE CAN DO ANYTHING IF WE JUST BEELIEVE>no answers to Scratch and who he was as a person despite being introduced as the mystery first abstraction tumor man in the last two previous episodes>the incredibly tone deaf abstraction aquarium and doghouseEven if you don't care about Jax misery porn it's just bad, doesn't even do anything visually interesting or actually experimental.
>>153831943the fact that so many people got confused by that scene shows it was poorly expressed
>>153830207Yeah, everything seems lazily designed around making sure Jax wouldn't come out of it alive, rather than actually crafting a sequence of events that make it feel earnedIn the end the guy who runs away from everything and tortures himself in his own mind runs away from everything and tortures himself in his own mind. Wow, bravo.
>have a fine slimy young froggirl almost screaming to jump your bones>NO WAY, FAGWhat the fuck was Jax THINKING?
>>153831841>Is it actually a bad endingIt is.
>>153831841both
I still don't get one thing, so only the first guy had brain cancer? what's the reason a bunch of random people had their brain scanned? maybe they just accepted it for some easy money?
>>153832018I expected, going off the poster, that we'd get some surreal adventure through the depths of the circus where they gradually learn all kinds of things about Caine and C&A and if there's a way to save the abstracted people. Obviously, they were always going to learn that they aren't real people, but that they'd then figure out ways to deal with it, because they have each other, of course.The leak and the plot summaries from it are so fucking bad that I'd sooner believe that a 13 year old fan came up with those ideas, if I hadn't seen the clips and screencaps.
Final shot of the series BTW
>>153832082Fucking waste
>>153831841It alright
>>153829377personally I really hated how Jax completely took over the entire story by the end of the series. it's telling how shitty the general populace is online when they self insert into a character who is straight up just an asshole to everybody and squanders every single chance to improve. and he gets a pass to be an asshole because twitterfags assume ribbit giving him a bow means he's trans.also all the small loose-ends left behind or copped out - the little mysteries that were teased and ultimately not explained.
>>153832082sm64 bloopers: the circus was a lie!
>>153830378The whole thing is super weird. And Goose has said she's exorcising demons with Jax and Caine, but she's really not.Jax's biggest problems were that he wallows in self hatred and views himself as inherently bad, which enables him to make extremely poor and destructive decisions. And that's exactly how he ends the story, literally killing himself despite being so afraid to die because he can't confront his problems, face the people he's hurt, or conceive of himself as someone worthy of care, forgiveness, or existence.Meanwhile Caine's biggest problem is being a self-aggrandising narcissist, and his story ends with him literally just choosing to be alive and forgiven and sweeping the far worse shit he did under the rug, because he thinks just that highly of himself.In what world is this exorcising demons and not simply reinforcing them?
>>153831943It's good on second watch but at first, it looks too much like some kind of alternate vision mode thing. It's going to confuse a lot of people.
>>153830498Oof. Not that anon but you got called out and lost. Become a better person. Stop white hate.
>>153825151
>>153832076The poster and the summary are such bullshit, probably because they knew how unappealing the actual thing is:>With Caine gone and the circus dark, the cast are left with only the mistakes and traumas of their pasts to keep them company. As the prospect of eternity closes in around them, they discover the truth about the Digital Circus and its history. Will they come to terms with what they uncover, or will they make… the other choice?Turns out Kinger literally just says "YOU ARE BRAIN SCANS BTW, BECAUSE SCRATCH WANTED TO MAKE BRAIN SCANS", no one other than Jax really confronts the mistakes of their past (if you call that "confronting") and there never was any choice, unless you consider "Jax just up and and kills himself".
>>153830378>Jax being a queer POC homeless kid is part of why I really hate the “it’s a great thing he died and he got what he deserved” angle honestly, although I really didn’t get that impression at all for the episode.No one is saying " it's good", we're saying "it's a good lesson, it's tragic but this is the reality when you act like an antisocial loser to people"
>>153832048>FUCK NOW SHE KNOWS I'M A CROSSDRESSING FAGLORD
>>153832139Exploring and exposing these things is good. It's not about exorcising.
>>153831044Yeah, Goose wrote this shit years ago clearly not thinking this show would amount to much. I get wanting to stick with a vision, but things really should have gotten a once-over after the pilot took off, especially considering it became so popular with young people.
>>153832170So did they just get that summary pulled because it was wrong? Because that sounds like they were being forced to choose between an eternity in digital purgatory, together, or shutting down the circus and erasing themselves.
>>153832170Anyone with sapience knew that they were brain scans from day 1. The issue is how they come to cope with their eternity. The answer the show cam up with is CUTE, but stupid. Caine comes back and he's nice now? Really?
>>153831044This entire thing was just a way for Goose to legally murder people via coerced suicide. Kind of based honestly. I'm surprised this hasn't been done more.>Write story>Write characters that cause modern youth to sympathize with them and connect with them>Have them suicide in a pathetic and sad display>Make fans suicide>Murder people without doing anything illegalExpect to see more of this in the future. You better 100% believe the CIA and Russians are taking notes in subversion.
His name?
>>153831068NTA obviously but this really speaks to me, thank you for putting it into words. We live in such darkly pessimistic, closed off times. I can't fathom the decision to spend three years building a show around the premise of "Did the mentally ill 22 year old dickhead deserve to kill himself?"
>>153832191That, and she did too much reading and participation in other people’s opinions of her own work before it was even completed, while answering little lore tidbits and leaving breadcrumbs along the way, all before scripts were even finalized, presumably. Goose was seen as the one true lorekeeper who had all the answers, but I truly think even she doesn’t know every answer that the TADC fanbase will go rabid trying to figure out. She should’ve stayed offline and in the production room during the entirety of TADC immediately after the pilot breached 100M views, that should’ve been defcon 1. Everything afterwards was her mistake for trusting the internet not to ruin something fun and exciting.
>>153832203No, that's the actual official summary you can find on all the theater chain websites, this was the one that was removed because it was wrong.>>153832207It's not about the brain scan thing but how Kinger immediately infodumps all the information in the first few minutes (not even an infodump actually, it's just three lines), there's literally nothing more to Scratch, C&A, or his past with Caine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6C8SX0mWP0This makes trannies and zoomers seethe.
>>153832171I mean everyone but Kinger who was there from the beginning also eventually killed themselves though?I can’t bring myself to care about Jax as a character so I’m not sad that he died, but no I don’t think telling people who do identify with him “you’re a mentally ill loser and you should kill yourself” is a “good lesson” or a cautionary tale or any other shit. I don’t think stories NEED “moral” though, but this isn’t therapy or helpful advice.I think MAYBE what you’re discussing could be done with a compare contrast thing where there’s a foil to Jax who’s focused on at least as much as he is in this episode makes the “opposite choice” or idk something like that but the big problem here is that Jax takes over the narrative and crowds all of the other characters out.Also irl Jax is alive and I assume all of the other abstracted characters who killed themselves, almost like they all committed suicide because they were all being tortured in a digital circus?!?
>>153832253>there's literally nothing more to Scratch, C&A, or his past with Caine.How the fuck do you accidentally create something as obviously interesting as a company that accidentally created a faulty rogue AI that traps people's minds in its poorly made play palace and then decide that the most compelling thing that should dominate the extra long finale of your once-in-a-lifetime chance to make a cartoon... is he fucking faggot rabbit character that's never been remotely interesting nor compelling?
>>153832258IRL Jax is a fucking UPS driver. He's perfectly alive and well juist delivering packages while his rabbit self suffers.
>>153831271Of course Caine wanted it to be real, he fucking built the place. "Satan wants hell to be real so he gets to live, but one of the souls he trapped there for eternal tortured just couldn't hack it"
>>153832258>“you’re a mentally ill loser and you should kill yourself”No one is saying SHOULD though. The warning is that you shouldn't, and prevent it by bettering yourself. You have to be vulnerable.
>>153832306NTA, but Leeroy Mateo isn't a cast member. Jax is.
>>153831578fr, the others don't even get to shine as better examples of how to be. It's just the "Come Watch Jax Suffer And Die For No Reason For 9 Episodes" show
>>153832286I am as appalled as you, I don't even know why they even introduced that plot element if it was going to be like this.To add insult to the injury, Caine and Kinger NEVER confront or even talk to each other, how can you fuck up this bad?
>>153832258But mentally ill losers should kill themselves. They're leeches, parasites.
>>153832306I mean that’s what I mean, a ton of characters abstract and the “being trapped in a digital hellscape” thing is the common factor, so gee I dunno, maybe it’s that? If someone in Auschwitz was depressed and killed themselves the moral lesson wouldn’t be “well gee maybe you shouldn’t have been such a jerk,” maybe being in a concentration camp is what made them sad?Not that TDC is nearly that of course but it’s stressful enough that the suicide rate there is astronomical and over enough time (decades) seems to reach a near 100% rate.
>>153831611>You're not going to get a lot of love for Jax here.There's tons of Jax fans here
>>153826894Actualy the reason that fiction is so popular is because you cannot write a show without putting a part of yourself in it and you have no choice in that matter.The problem is is that you secretly get to choose WHICH part of yourself to put in and thats what differentiates good writing from shit writing, putting in your good parts or your shit parts.
>>153832321I mean I just don’t see all of that stuff in the actual story, maybe that’s your own thoughts on a irl issue I guess.
>>153825299>Ending should have been like pic.No, it really fucking shouldn't have been.
>>153832376Trust me I'm a huge faggot who scours everywhere for discussion. 4chan is the biggest outlier when it comes to Jax. Most other places love him and have him as the favorite character. 4chan is very Ragatha-centric.
Hi I assume this is the movie thread? I just watched it, I actually tried to find it in english but couldn't, so I just watched it in portuguese since I'm brazillian anyways, has it only leaked in portuguese? lol, anyways, I haven't browsed this board in like years but this is the only place I can talk about the movie since I dont use social media, please reply to me im lonelySPOILERS BELOW SPOILERS BELOW SPOILERS BELOWDid Jax die? as far as I am aware, Caine asked if he shoudl do something about Jax (like heal him like he did with Pomni), and they just said, no??? why? is he just paying for his sins in that little circus? I really thought he was going to show up in the post credits like hi guys im sorry he definitely did deserve to die but i dont get if thats what happened or not, anyways, SUPER HELL FOR JAX!!! and super heaven for Caine!!Also I was a bit disappointed that they didn't show how Ribbit, Scratch and Kaufmo are doing IRLSPOILERS ABOVE SPOILERS ABOVEOverall I liked the movie
>>153831611I'm trusting the Tumblr and Tiktok edit making fangirls to cause an actual (deserved) meltdown after this ending
>>153831738>Even I Have no Mouth is less sadistic to its protagonist, for fuck's sake.I can't get past how true this is, it's actually fucking insane how the infamously grimdark story that does all it can to take everything way too far is very genuinely more uplifting and meaningful lmao
>>153832369you're reallly going ad hitlerum on level 1?
>>153832018>the incredibly tone deaf abstraction aquarium and doghouseWhat's the alternative if they lack any appreciable means of actually killing/unmaking them? Bring back the cellar?
>>153832401KEKJEJ EVEN
>>153832401It’s a common cultural touchstone for an unbearable and nightmarish place, that’s all. I said it’s not nearly as bad, but apparently something about their existence is nightmarish enough to drive them to suicide.
>>153831919Genuinely so weird.
>>153832396>has it only leaked in portuguese?Yeah I'm pretty sure, lol>Also I was a bit disappointed that they didn't show how Ribbit, Scratch and Kaufmo are doing IRLI would've liked to see that too. Well, maybe not Scratch since he had the brain tumor, not very optimistic that he's still around out there but you know...
>>153832412If they asspulled Cain returning they can asspull the abstractions disappearing into light particles. It'd be the least forced thing in the finale while respecting the 'abstraction = suicide' metaphor which the story clearly wanted to convey.Having the cast parade their corpses around via leash and aquarium completely ruins the metaphor and just leaves everything awkward and flat out insane.
>>153832445The real life section was so retarded, backed up that the final shot is of the 6 meeting up at the bus stop when really Kinger probably had more of a connection with the original starting cast than the modern one. Just pure fanservice that missed the point.
>>153832018>>Pomni did absolutely nothing of value other than pry in a dying man's mind and not even managing to actually comfort himThis drives me crazy, the whole time Jax was trying to get her to leave and told her how much harder she was making thingsIf there was a real chance to save him, fine, but they both knew there wasn't and all she accomplished was making his last moments full of dread
>>153832387Not all stories spell everything out for you. You have to read into it a little bit. It's very obvious that in his last moments, Jax regretted everything. It's obvious he fucked up.
>>153832396When the fuck did Cain say he could fix Jax???
>>153832446Yeah to be honest I hate how the suicide metaphor interacts with them being a bunch of basically animals living in the basement, my brain is imagining people putting the corpses of their loved one who killed themselves in a pretty fish tank to look at.If it’s a suicide metaphor they should eventually disappear, they can go on a rampage and be a threat for a bit, but then they need to be…gone.
>>153832179How does Caine just magically deciding to be alive and forgiven explore or expose anything about his flaws?
>>153832445>I would've liked to see that too. That's true, would be cute to see he fully recovered though a hopeful ending perhaps would have been nice even if a tad cheesy, I'm just glad Caine ended up ok, he's my favorite character since episode 1, I was also worried when he threw the blue orb away (bubble right?) thinking damn that thing is just gonna float there for all eternity? but he got it back and kept it thats nice>>153832456Yeah I didn't get that scene lol, I think it was meant to be like "look... by pure chance they meet irl too even if for just a bit! oohh fate fate!!">>153832485He says Do you guys want me to help with (points at jax's cell), and Pomni says like "no we dealt with it for now" or something like that, this was right after he fixes Pomni's abstraction disease, so I thought thats what he meant
>>153832385Yeeeeah but when a series takes 3 years to produce, you have time to pick a different part of yourself to put into it.For the sake of your fans and the dynamic of hope from the fans that existed… Goose could have chose to not put their most toxic and godawful parts into this.
>Goose says Jax deserves to be in the circus the most>Even though Jax is totally fine in the outside world, getting his shit together and becoming a productive member of society in the years that Circus Jax spent in a mental freefall to the detriment of everyone around him
>>153832493Ever watch Zombie Land Saga? Because personally the Hollows strike me as being roughly similar to a Tae situation. Nonverbal brain damaged retards should still be shown kindness and humanity. Giving them a space where they aren't suffering from constant sensory overload and can play with other nonverbal brain damaged retards and where their loved ones can visit them is the best thing you can do for them if there really is no cure.
>>153832485>>153832499Ok Caine saysAh, do you guys need help with... (points at Jax)Then Pomni repliesNo, we don't need any for now... we dealt with it for the time being...Then Caine repliesAh ok I see...To ME, this implied Caine wanted to fix Jax up, what the fuck happened to Jax does he just die inside that pillow fortress? I don't get itEither way Jax LITERALLY killed 2 people (his mom doesn't count as a person but he killed Ribbit and Kaufmo) I think he deserved to die tbqhwy
>>153832555>what the fuck happened to Jax does he just die inside that pillow fortress? I don't get itHe's asleep. Later on, once the cellar renovations are finished he's moved into the aquarium, where Pomni watches him play with Ribbit and Kaufmo.
>>153832555Maybe that line was actually meant to imply Caine would've been putting him in the cellar like he normally does with Abstractions
>>153832569Ohhh you're right I just checked the ending again, I was distracted by baseball smug Ragatha, that's fucked up lol damn they just get lobotomized forever what the hell>>153832577Makes more sense yeah I totally forgot about that, thank you all for spoonfeeding what I didn't get I was just too happy to see Caine back
>>153832535What did it mean? If IRL Jax was a deadbeat dad or a massive and useless alco or something, it'd make sense, but we just see him working UPS. Is that a horrific fate in the author's mind?
>>153832612He seemed happy as fuck working at UPS
>>153832286Jax is my favourite character, but I agree with this 100%The circus is such a great metaphor for NEETdom, young people retreating into escapism and refusing to meaningfully engage with the world. And for the world as-is, being dragged out every day to do tasks you don't want to do with people you wouldn't necessarily choose to be around and desperately grasping for some sort of meaning in it all is an apt metaphor for disillusionment with school, work, etc.And then the reveal that Caine isn't just a host character in a game designed by humans but actually built the circus all on his own, unprompted, and has his ego tied up in deriving the desired outcome from the "guests" he's trapped in it? What a viscerally horrific and compelling concept, especially in this day and age where AI is insidiously taking over our lives and obstructing/supplanting true human connection, all being pushed by forces beyond our control...But all of that's just set dressing so we can watch Goose torture her self-insert to death over the course of the entire seriesPraying for the wave of "TADC clones" to do something more worthwhile with these ideas. Goose really needs to stick to brainstorming and let someone else handle the script
>>153832629>death*mindbreak and eternal petplay cuckdom
>>153832497Because as sad as it is to say, the narcissism of Caine is objectively better than the insecurity of Jax. Caine could act like a retard but in the end he finally found humility and realized the error of his ways, because his base personality is just better for success he was able to make it work.
>>153832349Kinger>built and abandoned Caine>killed himCaine>trapped Kinger in the circus>killed his wifeGoose>Okay, but look, the bunny is crying, what a faggot
>>153832629I’m actually just praying that Goose pulls her head out of her ass and hands it off to someone who actually wants to do something great with it.
Kaufmo and Ribbit did nothing wrong whatsoever that's crazy, I guess Kaufmo was kind of a retard but that's just a flaw
>>153825151I want to know what the fans who aren't primed to hate everything related to the show (4chan, Twitter) think of this.
>>153832654Dude, unfortunately everyone who watches this thing gets primed to hate it because it’s so fucking hateable.
>>153832369This, literally everyone fucking hates being in the circus and is just doing their best to cling to life every day. The circus is the problem.But the finale insists that the guy who struggles with being there the most is the bad guy who should die, and the one who trapped them all there in the first place is cool actually? He literally shows them a slideshow of "look how much better off you all are without me"
>>153832654I liked it, it just could have been better
>>153832629>Praying for the wave of "TADC clones" to do something more worthwhile with these ideas.Already have one of my own floating around in my head. Just too bad I never actually commit to making anything...
>>153832394You can love both. I encounter far less Jax hate here than elsewhere
>>153831876>/v/ with MikeWho?
>>153832650The whole series made me think Kaufmo had similar behavior as Jax
>>153832670Jax killed 2 people out of his own human will, Caine is more like an animal than a human you can't exactly fault him for acting retarded before, you can absolutely fault Jax
>>153832645>>153832497To add on to this, the exploration is in the fact that it's a commentary on the unbelievable rotting power of insecurity and the fear of vulnerability. It's a far more powerful, destructive force, and presetting that in it's brutal honesty is much more than I expected of a show like this. I really like the ending.
Speaking of Kinger, I expected his experience with Queenie to mirror Jax and Ribbit since he says he doesn't remember the exact circumstances of her abstraction, and the manor adventure could have been a reference to something he did ("how's your wife, Kinger?"). But no, all there is to him is that he's a saintly girldad who only exists to motivate Pomni and teach her conjuring.
>>153832629>>153832676>Praying for the wave of "TADC clones" to do something more worthwhile with these ideas. Goose really needs to stick to brainstorming and let someone else handle the scriptSame, have an idea cooking in my head specifically to address the parts I felt were lacking, but I am too busy with other projects at the moment so I don't know if I will ever be able to do it
>>153832493>If it’s a suicide metaphor they should eventually disappear, they can go on a rampage and be a threat for a bit, but then they need to be…gone.That'd be a pretty apt metaphor for the chaos and grief left in the wake of a suicide
