Not geared towards any series in particular but I was thinking in general. The hardest part of any show seems to be the final episode and almost all of them whiff on it. The amount of actually landing final episodes (That try to have a definite final episode) are so slimWhy is it so difficult to make an ending episode even for content people otherwise think is good?
>>153829018nobody makes dick from residuals anymore, so instead of thinking about how to top off a perfect product, they're thinking about how they've been fired, and how badly they want their next job.
>>153829018Because modern writers are terrible
>>153829018Shonenfag here, will it help if I told you that at least you're not along in the terrible endings department?
TADC’s ending was good though
>>153831218Only by virtue of The Boys having such a terrible one and them happening at the same time.
>>153831213*at least you're not alone
Because they don’t plan ahead. They set up a bunch of plot threads, then when it comes time to close them off, they realise they either don’t have enough time or don’t know how to close them, so they just ignore them. So many shows have great moments in the earlier seasons that amount to nothing in the end, or end up becoming plot holes.
>>153829018Short Awnser: No because Leftists, Trannies and Wokeism culture in general.
>>153829018Bad Robot/JJ Abrams school of writing has infected everything>mystery boxes with no payoff>no long term storytelling planned>go for the cheap immediate emotions with no staying powerAlso 'le subverted expectations' combined with no respect for the audience to remember anything important. We can debate about how true this is but it still hurts it for everyone.
>>153829018I’m personally fond of plots where all the characters’ attempts to solve the conflict peacefully have failed so they just go to the main villain’s house and beat the shit out of him
>>153831292>Steven universe
>>153831267Its actually israel
>>153829018everyone guesses what they're going to do like years in advance because humans have pattern recognition and most stories set up for logical payoffs but the writers get assmad and do some stupid asspull shit last second to try and look smarter than the audience
>>153831307Never heard about them doing that. Is always those fresks of the rainbow flag.
>>153831218>TADC’s ending was good thoughRetard Slopeater
TADC Ending Idea: Homestuck crossover at the end confirmed, Helluva Boss still included, and Jax becomes a Homestuck Troll. All the characters in real life are black and trans. Credits roll. Animated Ragatha thicc rule 34 as credits music plays.
>>153831334This is precisely why execution matters more than premise as far as endings go. If you have a love story about star-crossed lovers that goes out of its way to establish how much they love each other, the audience knows they will probably get together at the end. Therefore, it's better to focus on making sure every moment of that telegraphed ending is as emotionally resonant as humanly possible than it is to suddenly subvert all expectations by having the lovers just realize they're too different and not end up together.Subversions CAN work for endings, but only if they're planned from the very beginning and very subtly hinted at/built up to throughout the story. Just randomly slapping a subversion at the end because you're afraid of being "predictable" is a mark of amateur writing.
>>153831267Okay Epstein plant.
>>153829018Burnout is part of it.
>>153831231nobody watches the boys. its only talked now because insane people thinks the mc being fascist is a trump allegory.
>the commentshttps://youtube.com/watch?v=oE56g61mW44
>>153829018You’re just another shitty toxic fan. You act like a baby because your head cannon never happened.
>>153829018>good /co/ endings Such as?
>>153829323why don't people make anything from residuals anymore? you'd think there'd be more money in it now that digital media is such a big thing.the platforms sucking away all the money? showrunners like viv eating up all the dough?
>>153829018Cartoons even more so than comics have a big gap between the writing and the final work. It takes a long time, the output format is different and consumed differently than the input, the writer is usually an artist first and foremost, and if working well there is only a very short window for putting changes in place as you establish the show/characters in the process of making it. On top of that, some people write the ending last and don’t have enough time, or $ left to give it more attention. So the deck is kind of stacked against cartoon finales.
>>153833367Stfu
>>153833916aqua teen hunger force
Why do people dislike the TADC ending? I keep seeing people saying it sucked but no one actually saying why, feels more like everyone is insulting it for no reason to keep the general vibe of vitriol.>>153833916Over The Garden Wall, Regular Show, Moral Orel, Scooby Doo Mystery Inc are a couple that come to mind. Gravity Falls wasn't bad either if you aren't the type of deviantart user who gets mad that the bad guy makes mistakes in a children's show.
>>153834545>Action packed 8th episodeHave you bought a shitload of our merch yet?~?~?>FINALE is *just* talking>THIS deserves theatre treatment!Have you bought a shitload of our merch yet?~?~?>Dumbledore DIES!!! For weeks unless your give us money now!Have you bought a shitload of our merch yet?~?~?>All those plot points we set up? Nah we just dragged our feet so Jazz can absinth at the end instead of the 11th hour climax where the big bad just *poofs* and now he's *poof* back again and everything is fine except for the one fucking character...Gee I fucking wonder...PS: Have you bought a shitload of our merch yet?~?~?
>>153831253>Because they don’t plan aheadi don't understand why they don't do this. They could spend hours a day per week thinking about how to end things. Surely even if they only spend eight hours per day, five days, they'd come up with something within those 40 hours. And then do that for consecutive weeks, they'd come up with even more.
Cartoons arent supposed to end, they are meant to make their corporations money until tbey cant so they "end(get cancelled)"
>>153834653Visual artists just don't understand storytelling. That's the trvthnvke you kind of come to understand once you read/play/watch enough. It's why Kingdom Hearts is as shit as it is and why early Image Comics is seen as a laughingstock in retrospect. Artists who just want to show off their cool OCs avoid any form of long term storytelling because they just want to get to the cool adventures and then awkwardly piece together a bunch of tropes for their long term payoff. To have good writing you need writers, or to study writing.
>>153831715now that i think about it, has James Cameron ever "subverted expectations"?
>>153834686Eywa being an bio AI in a sense was not expected
>>153834686He made Terminator 2 where the Terminator a good guy. Does that count?
>>153834697>>153834700at least these don't seem designed to make the audience feel stupid
>>153834680I feel like the people that are both good with visuals and storytelling tend to go into film instead of cartoons
>>153833350I feel sorry for all the Stevie Wonder fans who have no fucking clue what's going on
>>153829018it's a shame because a good ending is one of the best partshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjaKvvuRW_g
>>153831715>Therefore, it's better to focus on making sure every moment of that telegraphed ending is as emotionally resonant as humanly possible than it is to suddenly subvert all expectations by having the lovers just realize they're too different and not end up together.As Reddit as it is, Epic the Musical pulled this off really well, because people were worried it was going to end with Penelope rejecting Odysseus since that's apparently the "clever" thing to do with Odyssey adaptations these days, so when it was played straight it was really heartwarming and satisfying.
>>153831349He is onto us
>>153835386>As Reddit as it isStfu
A perfect ending would've been 10 minutes of existential dread before all the color abruptly returns and goofy Caine pops back in and berates them for failing his latest crazy adventure, before immediately sending them on another crazy adventure. They realize they're trapped forever and accept it. Roll credits.
>>153829323I was going to say a similar thing. I first noticed it with Lost. I've figured J.J.'s whole M.O. is that he builds-up hype with his shows and by the time a finale airs he doesn't care if it's shit or not because by the time the episode airs he's already got his paycheck in the bank.
>>153833916Generator Rex had a great ending
>>153833916out of shows this year Primal Season 3 had a good one but that's only because it took the Season 2 ending and went >oh yeah Spear was here too just slightly off-screen
>>153831267t. Guardian Of Pedophiles
>>153835451Isn't that just episode 7's ending stretched out?
>>153833916Hilda and Bluey
And then everyone lived happy ever after is a good ending or not?
>>153831218A bit too sweet with zero earning it for me. Honestly there should have been some conflict for the show to climax on, maybe all the abstractions break free and then there's a desperate struggle to contain them again. Would have made the sappy ending worth it.
>>153831267You mean jewish
>>153838232Being a good ending or not depends on the story. For a story meant for kids it's a fine enough ending.
>>153838232Depends on the context. majority of stories have this type of ending but the the climax decides if it's earned, the writers are just phoning it in or if there are unfortunate implications of how really "happy" the ending is if not all the loose ends are tied up
>>153829018Jax is Homelander.
>>153834096Platforms remove the shows over time to put it on other platforms, sometimes never doing so for years on end, and thus the residuals stop coming. And that’s if they have it put it on other platforms at all.
>>153838250The ending is good enough, but... why do they do "Somehow, Caine returned." And now he's fully repentant and a good guy? He wants to make everyone happy? Excuse me? That shit just doesn't gel with the writing ahead of time. Turning villains into heroes is a complex process. You can't do it in a single episode.
>>153838587>The Boys and TADC fighting over who had the worst finale of the year while Jax and Homelander fight over who got cucked the most in their series finale
>>153838661>And now he's fully repentant and a good guy? He wants to make everyone happy? Excuse meIt was clear from the beginning that Caine wasn't a villain. His problem was being unable to fully understand human beings. Why do you think there was an episode where that lego thing (or whatever) had a therapy session with Caine? It was to show his lack of humanity and common sense.
>>153838661The "bad AI" in him was expunged or whatever, it just works ok
>>153838661Caine always had a desire to make the humans happy, it’s just he couldn’t see any way to do so that didn’t fulfill what he was as his purpose when they made him(to create).Also they made it abundantly clear Bubble was evil and the devil on Caine’s shoulder pushing his most negative actions, and thus the Blue AI was malevolent with sapience.
>>153829018Because these days if you make a good one then people will demand continuations, this will continue to happen until a ending is bad and actually sobers people up on how extending the thing past the point it was supposed to end ruined it.Part of this is obviously IP milking on the behalf of investors and profit, but honestly "fans" are just as much to blame for enabling it and cheering it on and seeing it as validation because the IP became their Tribe (Fandom) rather then an enjoyable story.
>>153838885In a series thats ultimately about human trauma and relationships, tearing out your worst aspects with magic is a little unfulfilling to the audience.
>>153834545Shows that arent based around lore and long running storylines are easy mode so I'm not sure most of that list really counts for what OP was talking about..
>>153838960Most people can’t vore their siblings and have them live inside them and manifest as a sentient bubble. Just one of the many ways he differs from humans.
>>153838370Surely.
>>153838960>tearing out your worst aspects with magic is a little unfulfilling to the audience.No. The problem was that the audience was too retarded to understand that Caine was the most important character after Pomni. The writer failed to make this clear. Why did he waste so much time in that shitty forced drama with the purple bunny?
>>153833293He was the head pf the Troon/LGBT movement, you Dumbass
>>153834545>Gravity Falls wasn't bad either if you aren't the type of deviantart user who gets mad that the bad guy makes mistakes in a children's show.Nice way to show how new you are. The ending (and most of S2) was universally hated by /co/ and it wasn't because of Bill
>>153831267I don't mind the existence of women and minorities, does that make me a bad writer by default?
>>153839727Proof??And that email of someone emailing him talking about how awesome this one trans movement is doesn't count because that isn't Epstein saying anything, that's a friend of Epstein, I wanna hear it from Epstein himself that he loves gay people.
>>153839727
"Quality doesn't matter as long as it owns the chuds" - Anthony Gramuglia
>>153840953Yes
>>153841778Well in that case, is Ladyballers a good comedy?
>>153841245This is you?
>>153841905Yeah actuallyNot sure what my appearance has to do with anything though, can you explain to me how me being a fat woman has to do with Epstein being a pro trans? Nevermind the fact that his scientist friends were anti trans
>>153841938Everyone who is part of your ideological mess is.
>>153831218>slop was good No and im tired pf pretending it is
>>153841905Dude that is such a 2014 meme, why are you stuck?
>>153841973Everyone who is part of my ideological mess is what?I am arguing that Epstein ISN'T the head of the LGBT community and all you wanna do is insult my beliefs and the people who believe in them. You're derailing the subject just so you can insult me and signal your virtues.I'm convinced the anti jew anti leftie anon here is a samefag that was too toxic even for /pol/Not sure why you're on /co/ since you don't even watch cartoons
>>153841938He was literally in favor of troons because he thought making boys troon out made them more fuckable though. Why go through the hoops to defend troon ideology?
>>153836510What's the age of consent in Iran?
>>153842018Can you show me proof of that?I'm not even asking as a gotcha to call you wrong, I really want to see Epstein saying he wants to turn boys into girls to make them fuckable.Even then, that's not being pro trans, he just wants to make more girls so he could fuck them, that just means he is pretending to be pro trans.
>>153842052>that just means he is pretending to be pro transHow does being pro trans because you want to fuck girly boys mean you were pretending to be pro trans?
>>153842052I just hate how Epstein pretending to be pro trans seems to invalidate innocent trans people.AND NO JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE IS TRANS DOESNT EXCUSE ANYTHING EVIL THEY HAVE DONE. THERE ARE EVIL TRANS PEOPLE OUT THERE FOR SURE BUT INNOCENT TRANS PEOPLE SHOULDNT SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES OF EVIL TRANS PEOPLE. Holy shit I am not that left that I would defend actual evil trans people just cause they're trans, fuck off
>>153829018Americans can't write endings.
>>153842086Because he was only doing it so he could fuck girls. He never cared about their rights, he just wanted more girls to fuck.
>>153831213Honestly I think shonenfags complain too much. Most of the time shonen books have basic but acceptable endings. The main character beats the bad guy and marries the love interest after a short time skip. Completely serviceable stuff.Sure you get the occasional BNHA or Chainsaw Man but disasters are the outlier. >>153834686He made the sequel to Alien an action movie.
>>153842110Calling boys "girls" means you don't care about their rights either.
>>153842110He funded research on transexuals and transgender focused scientists who were pro trans activists. Tell me how wanting to fuck troons and spreading the ideology doesn't make you pro trans
>>153842103Gooseworx is american?
>>153842169Maybe endings are so hard to get right because you guys want something satisfying that you can feel good and project onto and not think about when it's done.Everyone keeps on saying My hero academia has a shitty ending but I thought the ending where Deku gives up his power because he's tired of being a hero but wants to still inspire people to be heroes is great. He even gets with Ochako in the end.I don't fucking know what happens in Chainsaw man but knowing Chainsaw man and how unlike any shonen that is, it would be really ballsy.Do you want the shonen protag to always have a good ending because you project onto them and you feel men need good role models because you feel men have it hard with media always shitting on them cause media is woke?This whole Goddamn site is turning me into a scitzo
>>153842191So if a kid feels they are in the wrong body, what should be done? What if that feeling follows them into adulthood? What should be done to help them and their mental illness? Yeah I think being transgender can come from mental illness, doesn't mean I think they're freaks, they need help cause they feel they are in the wrong body, gender dysphoria has always been a thing.>>153842193Well if the only thing you wanna do with troons is fuck them and nothing else, then yeah that doesn't make you anti trans, but it does make you someone who doesn't see them as human, but rather sex object. I gotta do more research on this subject. https://www.them.us/story/jeffrey-epstein-robert-trivers-transgender-research-emails I just don't wanna turn on my trans friends just because Epstein loved Trans people
Are there any media with good endings?
>>153842169>Chainsaw ManWhat happened with that? Part 1 actually had a pretty good ending. I dropped the manga afterwards because I couldn't be assed to keep going and I'd've preferred Denji to have stayed retired.
>>153842355Few
>>153842355The Amazing Digital Circus
>>153841982Well, these Harpies didn't changed, still fat, ugly and foul.
>>153842451
>>153842463And that invalidates everything I say?Okay fine, I'll just kill myself. Bye, guys
>>153842237To give context without spoiling the ending to Chainsaw Man, its a good ending that was made early on as is and was always indented to be the ending and so fits thematically.But the place where the story was at when Fujimoto went "fuck it I'm ending this" due to burnout, was very abrupt and so caused a massive anticlimax and just felt very messy.Like main characters arcs stopped without resolution when the events of the story were focusing on them tier abruptness
>>153842582Didn't said that, you fool.
>>153842673UnderstandableMaybe the anime could fix that
>>153842808If CM got a Bleach style Blood War adaptation as part of like season 5 or however long it takes to get there, that would be great, but it would be dependent on Fujimoto recovering from his burnout towards the series by then.
>>153842355To cite examples of different types of media off the top of my head, Better Call Saul, Regular Show, Mob Psycho 100But to be desu I'll take a mediocre or even bad ending over no ending at all, fucking hate when shit ends on a cliffhanger never to be completed
Weird how nobody has brought up that both Ed Edd 'n' Eddy and Amphibia nailed their endings yet. Both, imo, are perfect encapsulations of specific character's arcs, and all in all wrapped up each show nicely.
>>153843173Amphibia had a better ending than TADC
>>153836661nta, but yeah it would get funnier every time they pull it desu. The third time the characters could find the real exit and walk away not wanting to fall for cains tricks, at which point he congratulates them on not leaving when given the chance
The ending should be me bumping this thread and then everyone gets weirded out and goes back to the Homestuck fandom.
>>153842199Yes, actually.
>>153842237The thing is most of us have seen/read enough over the years to know great endings exist, people just fumble the landing all the time
>>153833916KND , Ed Edd n Eddy , Mutant rex , chowder and megas xlr.
>>153833916Self-insert/Tard-wrangler gets the girl.
>>153829018All you need to do is budget the episodes leading up to the ending to set it up and give everyone their moment during the ending proper while leaving things on an ok note.But to do that you either need to write it all out beforehand like a movie or have enough episodes to build yourself a runway before the end.Idie creators are not screen writers and the nature of limited resources means they lack the capability to build that runway.
>>153846246>megas xlr.But Megas didn't end.
>>153846324>write it all out beforehand like a movieBut most movies have shitty endings these days
>>153846547But the good ones are still what a shorter series should try and emulate.In a better world everyone working in a creative position would need to watch some John Landis movies and the like and then study them.
>>153846490>But Megas didn't end.Im pretty sure the show ended after the fight against the evil version of coop.
>>153831267Holy schizo lmao
Why did retards hated Homelander being pathetic in his final moments?
>>153839997>The ending (and most of S2) was universally hated by /co/ and it wasn't because of BillSo what exactly was the reason why it was universally hated on /co/ then ?
No bullshit, Centaurworld has a 9/10 ending.
>>153846737Mable
>>153846737It was mostly because of Mabel but there were others things like how lame and disappointed everything about Ford was, Gideon getting instantly forgiven, the symbols in the diary having no meaning, etc.
>>153842237My Hero Academia didn't have a bad ending in concept but it just wasn't done very well. I was specifically talking about the version from before the author made some adjustments for the tankoban where Deku came across as kind of pathetic when that clearly wasn't the intent.Anyway I am not a big shonen guy I was just saying that shonenfags usually get decent simple endings but tend to freak out over them anyway like they are some sort of disaster.While we are on the subject of anime endings I think pic related did what Goose was trying to do with the TADC finale only much better. The set-up is extremely similar only Abe actually bothered with giving the main character and the audience a reason to give a shit about the troubled character.
>>153846758Centaurworld is weird. When it wasn't being retarded and annoying it had excellent fundamentals. It had a fantastic villain too.
>>153848789Lane?
>>153848952It is by the same guy.Personally it is my favorite of his works.
>The beginning >They're stuck in the circus>The end>They're still stuck in the circus???
>>153829018If you don’t plan the end from the beginning, you’re going to strike to make a good ending.
>>153852514>>The beginning >>They have no freedom>>The end>>They gain freedom
>>153831218Come on man, there's argument for it having some good points, but if you step back and look at how this all flows together it's sloppy and disturbing.
>>153842052Holy mindfuck, you need some sort of brain surgery, your mind is actively rejecting logic.
>>153834096>showrunners like viv eating up all the dough?Showrunners don’t get paid much more either. In fact you’re expected to do more for less pay now because they’ve eliminated other production jobs and it’s just expected that the showrunner handles them. Without getting paid for it. This is due to constant cost cutting mandates, partially related to the endless media consolidation and subsequent debt that they have to deal with and it’s easiest to just cut jobs to save money
>>153842103But they can in your country I'm sure
>>153838661They also shouldn't have off screened Jax after so much build up, that was so weird.
>>153831218This For anyone who wasn't there /TADC/ used to be like 50% jaxfags and now that he acked all those butthurt anons make posts like >I don't even like Jax but I think the ending is bad because [shizo ramble]It's hilarious
>>153855572Why do people like Jax again? His design isn't even attractive so you can't use the gooners argument.
>>153855619Wdym he’s the archetypal lanky antisocial tumblr sexyman for fnaf zoomers
>>153855572>Caine lobotomizes himself then flies back out of the recycling bin>The TikTok flashback sequence and abstraction zoo animals>Wasting all that time on the real life people when the show was never about themJax killing himself is unironically the only well written thing in the ending, you can clearly tell which part of the story Goose actually cared about.
Every ending is bad now. Not just bad but shit the bed, destroy everything that came before, retroactively destroy your previous enjoyment bad.We are seeing the rotten fruits wokeism and the sjw movement in media today. The creators simply do not have the intellectual tools to create a satisfying ending. They spent the last 2 decades villainizing "dead white male authors" and only supporting "poc led stories." They now can no longer understand what makes a satisfying narrative. Like those children who were raised in isolation and never learned to speak or walk. They couldnt do it if they wanted to.All by design of course. Destroy cultural touchstones was step one. Step two was make sure no new ones are created
>>153831267Trump deserves ridicule
>>153855619>His design isn't even attractiveHe's got the tumblr sexyman type, is a furry and wore a maid dress and makeup in canon what do you mean can't use the gooner argument, gooners went bonkers for that rabbit ass
>>153829018Is it really that hard, bro?
>>153855637Shouldn't Spamton be there or do I have the archetype wrong
>>153829018>"Cartoons should be more like anime">Copy anime's habit of terrible endings
>>153829018The Boys had a good ending and you still cry
>>153855619"tumblr sexyman" with a voice that fags and women somehow find attractive
>>153859815Shut up, cuck.
>>153841266i don’t remember him ever saying that
>>153860307It's his Raison d'être
>>153839997>The ending (and most of S2) was universally hated by /co//co/ doesn't matter and this place is full of easily butthurt autists, in general people didn't like that Mabel got away with it but they were satisfied with the ending, maybe because in 2016 they wasn't quite as much chimping out on social media over this as nowadays but even compared to how Korra ended the consensus outside of here was that it was fine
>>153855572I am glad that he died but that doesn't make the ending not stupid. It tried really hard to make it tragic but instead it was just kind of hilarious and embarrassing. Plus it made the way that Jax ate the screen time for half of the show feel even more wasted in retrospect since it never really went anywhere.>>153855619He was a generic lanky dude who was also a gigantic asshole. That almost always makes women cream their pants.
>>153860025Kids aren't allowed on this website.
>>153861874Tell that to yourself.
>>153829018It's notYou just gaslight yourself into your own ideal version of the showThe shows ending exactly how the creator wants, not how you want
>>153862247Cuck
And then my fandom abstract and I lived happily ever after far away from all the pointless drama.
>>153829018Just dropping by to say that the worst /co/-related ending of 2026 is still Beneath the Tree volume 2. Nothing is topping Sam having ceiling shotgun traps in the hardware store and becoming the unabomber.
>>153865914As an angry TADC fan I can't actually argue against you. That shit was genuinely awful as opposed to just disappointing.Still pissed off about the crispy fried duck.
>>153829018
>>153829018>>153831218Absolute shit end
>>153867080the endings not even out yet
>>153867679>the endings not even out yet
>>153867743know what?
>>153867781A Brazilian leaked the TADC finale a few days ago. There's also English subs for it.
>>153867863link?
>>153867952https://gofile.io/d/1Td6dk
>>153868723thank you!
>>153868723Of all the languages the leak could be in, it had to be macaco fuck my life.
>>153870327The subs are in the link. Just add them in vlc.
>>153870327Caine's voice is better in that dub.
>>153829018Isn't this ENTERTAINING?
>>153831334this
>>153860307"He who sticks his penis in peanut butter, is fucking nuts." -Sun Tzu.
>>153829018You should see /a/ endings then.
>>153842237Shonenspics are extremely dramatic but Chainsaw man had literally the worst ending the author could have done.
>>153833916Boy, not sure how it was Samurai Jack's ending for all, I mean, exist at least two: one is the last episode of s5 and other one is from a videogame that let's Ashi still alive and side with Jack , as an alternative one from the last one of S5.
>>153874005>not sure how it was Samurai Jack's ending for allWasn't it considered one of the worst endings ever? I remember the catalog was pure butthurt.
Now that the dust has settled, I’m glad we can all agree that TADC episode 9 was good.
>>153842924>fucking hate when shit ends on a cliffhanger never to be completedUnderstandable, either because they were unable to realize the idea or, most commonly, they canceled the protection early or at least carry out the definitive closure; although there have also been cases of making a 'last minute' closure that gives a line to a variety of opinions.
Maybe they need more time?
>>153859219Can they also copy their habit of redeeming their endings?
>>153834096You don't remember the big brue-hah-ha over streaming services and the writers guild strikes over it? The companies realized that streaming wasn't legally broadcasting, so they didn't have to pay residuals and could still sell ad-space. And despite all the strikes and fights over it, the unions bent the knee and no creators are making as much in residuals off of streaming as they did off of broadcast TV. So now creators get paid less, the companies get more, and the creators are still required to pay dues to the union that sold them out if they want to be allowed to work in the industry.
>>153833916Gargoyles ended decently strong, even if that last season was mostly trash. At the very least, it completed the story arc of the gargoyles going from myth to back alive to rumors to known, to finally finding some kind of acceptance from humans.
>>153842169BNHA has a decent ending
>>153855818And you don't achieve that by giving your series a shitty ending.
>>153829018How was The Amazing Digital Circus supposed to end, anyway? It seemed perfectly in line with what the threads were expecting with the whole "Cast are just brainscans and not real people" thing.
>>153836414Huh, never knew that it had an ending; I thought that was cancelled or it wasn't with a close one.
>>15383126750/50
>>153879266nobody has a problem with the brainscans, anon. they have a problem Jax getting 40 minutes of focus, when he isn't that interesting of a character to warrant it.
>>153831218How can the ending be good if the show isn't good?
>>153879266Yeah but where does it go? Four or five times stuff just happens "because." The story double dips on its "just get over it" message. As in, "get over this being the author's therapy session."Author: "This show is about exorcising my demons."The demon responds:
>>153879266We wanted porn and uh…
>>153829018Troon instinct to self-destruct carries over into every aspect of their life.
>>153879266They basically skip over the characters dealing with the brain scan reveal anyway (and then have the gall to show how happy their "real" selves are), why not just say it at the beginning of the series since the main mystery and focus of the finale ended up being Jax's incredibly underwhelming past?
>>153831334The thing is that litterally everything that happens on the tadc ending aside from jax being perma-abstracted are things that everyone predicted, but the execution is so appallingly bad that even the easy logical conclusions don't land well.What happens imo is that indie writers start with a vague idea of the formula of what the show should be like and they refine that formula as the show goes on, but they unknowingly write themselves into an ending that is completely incompatible with that formula, resulting on a trainwreck almost every time because everything they learned while working on the rest of the story is suddenly useless.In tadc's case per example, the entire show is one third comedy, one third action and one third serious moments, but the underlying narrative is too serious for humor and too feelings/introspection based for action so, the moment that tying up the narrative is all that's left, the formula completely falls apart and you are left with an hour of poorly stitched together emotional moments that end up becoming an unbeareable melodrama because of the whiplash from the rest.The best shows/stories are those where the ending either fits the overarching formula and feels like "just another chapter/episode" that happens to be the final one or an ending where the tone/formula shift was planned from the start or for a long time and integrated seamlessly for maximum impact. With most indie shows (and a lot of big budget shows too really), you can just tell roughly the exact moment where the writer starts panicking as they realize all that's left is the ending and they have no clue how to make it fit. That's why most authors suck at endings. It doesn't just have to be a good ending (somethibg that most already struggle to do) but also fit cohesively with the rest.
>>153842673>But the place where the story was at when Fujimoto went "fuck it I'm ending this" due to burnout, was very abruptVery abrupt is a huge understatement lol. Take any book, go to around the 50-70% point and imagine what would happen if the next page was just a huge "Fuck it, The End" and it will be functionally the same as the csm ending. Regardless of the content of the actual ending, it would still be genuinely the biggest car crash of an ending I've ever seen, and I've grown to kind of respect fujimoto in a way for actually crashing the plane with no survivors instead of going on infinite hiatuses or all the other things manga authors often do when they are ultra burned out. Though he was still stupid for starting part 2 in the first place, but I guess he didn't foresee how burned out he was going to become after his part 1 assistants left.
>>153883059It's hilariously how hard the brain scans twist was downplayed just because everyone already knew it was going to happen. That shit would have been the absolute climax of any properly written existential drama story and here it was treated like "yeah yeah they are brainscans, you guessed right. Moooving on" kek.
>>153829018>PLEASE KINGER! I'LL SUCK YOUR FUCKING DICK! I'LL DO ANYTHING! YOU WANT ME TO EAT SHIT? I'LL EAT YOUR FUCKING SHIT! I'LL EAT YOUR FUCKING SHIT IN FRONT OF EVERYONE IN THE CIRCUS!
>>153883874Really TADC's issue was never the content of the ending, ti was the construction of the parts.
>>153883580Would designing the start and finish of a story first, then fitting everything you want in it in the middle snuggly be a good strategy to avoid this?Apologies if I paraphrased an excerpt from Writing 101. It just feels like even the basics are missing these days.
Better Ending:>they connect to Internet>they realize it was all being livestreamed the entire time dangan rompa style>society has lost its mind as a result and there are multiple wars>they live-address everyone in a group message to be constructive and it works>ragatha does a cutesy pose to convince the world and falls over making her butt look big>ragatha rule 34 becomes a symbol of world peace>4chan in honor of this posts tons of ragpom rule 34 for years to come>world peace is achieved>credits roll and final clip is shown>the brazilian hacker was bubble
>>153842355No.
>>153881971Sadly, you have a point. I only got into this show immediately before Episode 8's debut and I still feel like I wasted a lot of time that I'll never get back.
>>153885070The last point would be almost credible
>>153860354Le what?
>>153889519Reason of being.
>>153858627Spamton's a smelly midget hobo. You're thinking of Tenna.
>>153855619my guess is he was literally the only young white ( presumably) guy they could attach to
>>153831218yeah people who hate the finale are just salty Jax fags or just unironically bad writers who wanted to be something it couldn't have been
>>153833916These are some that have come to mind so far. It's not just about memorable, emotional, or sublime endings, but also about those ones that, in my personal opinion, were decent, good, accurate, or acceptable; and that could felt coherent or fulfilled their purpose, at least in terms of the development or resolution of the conflict/climax, or that at least continued with what had been built up as the story progressed without straying from the initial premise or at least in how the shows were oriented/created or focused.
>>153831172ThisIf you read modern fiction online, a lot of people end stories either poorly or making the characters act retarded and it sucksTurns a good story into a bad story like that go from 'id read/watch this again' to :T ok
>>153831218You're probably a fan of Circus Shit to begin with, so your taste is in question.
>>153883580Absolute this.>>153884901There is a variety of narrative cases that, in some ways, work at just that moment.On the other hand, there are cases where the story is created on the fly: Dragon Ball (Z) and The Legend of Korra from seasons 2-4, for example. In the first case, the author has been so talented that, while there have been hints of inconsistencies, these haven't been drastically disruptive to the story. In the second case, the showrunners have had to develop the story in parallel for each season, almost at breakneck speed due to pressure from the studio/executives, and without having a pre-established overview of the work as they did with the original series.Sometimes I think they try to "re-invent" or be "transgressive" without first understanding or studying the elements that underpin and make narrative of artworks substantial and transcendental...
>>153882764Keep an eye out for the end credits sequence
>>153877076 It's something possible; but also, and inferring in some way, the motivation for making this closure may not have been the same with respect to previous episodes, We just have to remember in the interactions the creator on social networks has expressed disenchantment with the work due to friction with a certain 'fandom' or interactions in general as well and how fickle the resolutions have been...
>>153833916has any of the marvel or dc comic lines ever gotten an ending or are they just run into the ground until the next reboot/retcon
