I've come to realize audiences just don't care about animated Sitcoms in grounded settings anymore. We've forgotten our past with hits like Arthur, Hey Arnold, Rugrats, and now think cartoons should ONLY ever be high-concept and fantastical. This isn't even about lore; even episodic cartoons apparently NEED sci-fi or magical elements to vibe with modern audiences. No modern audience seems capable of finding humor in the mundane like before
>>153855955Look at this ugly shit
>>153855955Kid's slice of life has never been all that funny, it was about the heart and being cute. These shows are all ugly AND unfunny, which compounds the "boring" complaint youtube faggots whine about. And no, big city greens isn't that funny either.Loud house only escaped this because it very shortly for a time understood what makes slice of life work, and it has an appealing artstyle if you're not an anime-tainted homosexual.
>>153856179>And no, big city greens isn't that funny it has its moments
>>153856179Retard
>>153855955>Why do retarded adults making cartoons to validate their own ego/political views/sexuality/ identity first rather to entertain never become popular?It's a mystery anon .....
>>153857123But enough about you.
>>153855955I kind of agree, Wylde Pak was a fun watch, but the whole thing felt like "We were just here before with TGAMM" and that show at least had ghosts. Primos wasn't even worth watching at all. It doesn't help that they are all brown girl slop too.
>>153855955What's the point making a cartoon if you're not gonna include crazy shit that doesn't exist in real life?
>>153855955>Big City Greens>five seasons>movie>spin-off in the works>underperform ?Also ain't the Primos lady making animated Star Wars show with Lucasfilm and DTVA? that dosn't seem like underperform to me.
>>153855955Or instead of genre it was issues with the art, humor and storytelling.
>>153858017Sometimes crazy shit can happen in real life. Slice of life comedy is appealing because it is relatable and can include situations that are absurd yet technically possible
>>153858651Star Wars is a garbage brand now.
>>153856179>it was about the heartI am anime-tainted, sadly
>>153859079So? she's getting more animation work
>>153855955What performance metrics are they falling under, and how dated is the method?
>>153857734replace ghosts with Korean Immigrants and Spooky Ghost stuff with "omg these Boba Teas and Korean Snacks are so Diverse!"
It's more just that these kid "sitcoms" were aimed at actual children, and kids don't watch cartoons anymore.So when you make a show like this, your audience is going to exclusively be autists with extreme arrested development and weirdos who want to fuck the kids in the show.
>No modern audience seems capable of finding humor in the mundane like beforeI never cared about that shit when I was a kid, either. It was just the only thing on television because adults thought they knew better. It was boring. Why would anyone be spending precious escapist time on real life shit?When you give audiences an actual choice, they just choose battle shonen anime or things with a genre fiction appeal.The absolute most heinous garbage was the shows that were the "imaginary play" setups that wanted the cake of fantasy ideas, but were somehow frightened by ideas of actual magic or supernatural concepts, so everything had to be some cute idea that we were seeing what kids imagined when they play with eachother. This, obviously, makes no fucking sense in a cartoon since you can literally just make that fantasy shit a real part of the world. I explicitly remember hating Mona The Vampire for this, and as a kid in the UK you had put up with shit like this and Arthur and Hey Arnold, whilst DBZ and Sailor Moon and and all the actual cool shit (i..e. anime) was on cable channels I couldn't afford. Stuff like Digimon, or CCS (localised as Cardcaptors) was water in a desert because it was kids dealing with real magical concepts AND it was a serialised plot because it respected that you wanted to watch a story unfold, not just be distracted for 20 minutes.So much children's media is driven by adults trying to curate perfect moral message models for kids, and obssessed with continuity-less distractions, and no matter how much you do that it only takes one DBZ to come in and completely conquer the cultural space.
>>153859516>arthur>shitAsk me how I know you're just a weeb on the wrong board.
>>153859588Kids don't give a shit about Arthur.It's also full of horrible messages, like "don't hit your retard sibling for deliberately breaking something you care about". Even the most gentle hands child is going ballistic over that, and smart parents are going to use it as an opportunity to teach the younger sibling not to be a little shit.
>>153859679>one bad episode means the whole show is shitthis, dear children, is what is referred to as bpd
>>153855955They underperform because they're bad.
>>153855955>Arthur, Hey Arnold, RugratsThese shows were absolutely terrible. Nothing on TV when I was a kid was worth watching. Do shows today realize they're competing against, like, One Piece?
>>153859936Nope
>>153858651>Big City TeensSo we are doing All Grown Up! with Cricket & Tilly right?
>>153859516>Stuff like Digimon, or CCS (localised as Cardcaptors) was water in a desert because it was kids dealing with real magical concepts AND it was a serialised plot because it respected that you wanted to watch a story unfold, not just be distracted for 20 minutes.Trannygga those two shows got butchered worse then pokemon did in the US.
>>153855955its a bad time for cartoons since kids dont really watch them anynore.they are more into internet stuff now like watching streamers,playing roblox,or checking out wathever pilot the internet makes popular
>>153856179Loud House was always shit, same as wylde pak. Both are just magnets for pedophiles who seem to make up a large bulk of their audience since no kid above 5 legitimately watches network TV anymore
>>153859976Digimon didn't get changed much at all.
>>153860280Nah, if this was true it wouldn't have gotten 10 seasons, spinoffs, and three movies. Quit getting your opinions from youtubers and fandoms that have nothing to do with the actual quality of a product. Hating TLH because of the fandom is like the most NPC /co/ take ever.
>>153860330Only a person who never watched the original would say that
>>153860331It was never funny, maybe shit is hyperbolic but we're on 4chan so I'm calling it shit. Either way it was always babyslop and not really a show that adults would watch for non-lascivious reasons like classic Spongebob. For a show that's run for a decade now it's also generated roughly zero memes which shows how little cultural cache it has
>>153860359I've seen the original of Tamers; the only changes were the occasional removal of something like a gun being pointed at a person. Were the two earlier series, which are less edgy than Tamers for lack of a better term, any different?
>>153860360It had better humor in the earlier seasons, it isn't especially witty but I wouldn't say it was never funny. After the creator got metoo'd the show and everything associated with it became a pariah so of course there's no memes, it doesn't have the luxury of having everything go right for it like spongebob did. After that it definitely got ultra babified and sterlized by focus group bullshit, absolutely true if you're talking about the later seasons.
>>153860360>that adults would watch>SpongebobYou have major arrested development, just like all those adult lefty trannies on twitter with spongebob profiles
>>153855955One of the rejected nickelodeon shorts that got picked over wylde pak was something with magic in medieval times but well never see it. Unless a kind industry anon leaks the other pilotshttps://www.kimberlyknollart.com/new-gallery-2
>>153856179Wylde Pak had heart and was cute.
>>153860360Loud house kids are still pretty young, it’s not a show with a lot of adult viewership overlap outside of the animation otaku/perverts. Memes that would make it to us are a lagging indicator of baby cartoon popularity
>>153861168>Loud house kids are still pretty youngAnon, TLH premiered a decade ago.A kid who watched it in 2018 when they were 10 is a senior in high school now.
>>153860831It looks bad. This aesthetic is done to death
>>153860575He said CLASSIC SpongeBob, as in the ones that were actually well made and funny, not the shitty modern episodes.If anything, you’re the one with arrested development.
>>153859079Getting any animation work, especially these days, is insanely hard. Getting selected to work on another show, out of all the other people who have experience and need work right now, means that her show couldn’t have been THAT much a failure.There really isn’t much wiggle room to work on what you want to in general, but especially now. If you get the opportunity to work on anything, it’s significant.
>>153856179Loud House wasnt that funny but the harem is full of fun girls you want to sit through the mediocrity to see more of. It was a comfy show.
>>153861211It's just the background art, that's hardly enough to determine the quality of these pilots
>>153860169Just be thankful you dont own a studio rn
>>153858651>Also ain't the Primos lady making animated Star Wars show with Lucasfilm and DTVA?Source?
>>153861722The source all articles point to is DTVANews, who is notorious for taking pilots, pitches, and rumors and treating them as if they’re definitely going to become full series.
>>153861239Nah bud. If you’re still guzzling baby shows like Spongebob, you’re a manchild. No amount of deflection will ever make that seem adult.
>>153859956I don't know honestly.
>>153861967NTA, but you were too young to remember back then. I was in college when this ad was out and it was a huge because BabyGotBack was a meme in the 00's as we "discovered" it.
>>153862446>forgot ad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5X4TSbGreA
>>153855955Because slice of life is (mostly) a shit genre. Why watch something thats just vapid and boring like real life? A huge reason why CN died in the lates 2010s was cuz of all the extremely sanitized slice of life shows on it like Craig of the creek. The genre sucks and its better off abandoned and discarded.
>>153856179/thread
>>153859742Arthur had plenty of awful morals, one of the worst episodes is the one where Arthur was given the responsibility of taking care of a dog and despite Arthur doing everything correctly the dog was always angry at Arthur growling at him as if it wanted to bite and hurt him. And none of the bastard adults tried to tell him at least "Forget your responsibilities because this is a dangerous dog that will bite you so stay away!"Arthur was enduring fear of this dog throughout the entire episode until the ending of the episode revealed the dog was pregnant and this was why it was angry all the time. That episode is shit. And this is merely another example of terrible morals from Arthur. Always hated Arthur because it taught male audiences to grow up into beta simps who tolerate awful treatment.
>>153863581was the dog a shitbull
>>153863817what do you think?
>>153859976>worse then ESL or dumb retarded child
>>153863581>DW gets away with 90% of everything>The bully is redeemed cus he's kinda selectively nice while still being a menace>Nu-Arthur can burn in hell and the horrid animation and Mr. Ratburn gay wedding of all things...Ack.
>>153862569How come live-action gets to do mundane stories without question? I don't like how every animated project's fate relies on how "endlessly merchandiseable" it can be and how they're all pressured into being high sci-fi or fantasy in order to appear as though they "used the medium to its advantage." Wylde Pak made its grounded stories really engaging, with really sweet character arcs over the course of the one season we were blessed to have and with some of the best slapstick humour I've seen in a minute. It shouldn't have fallen under everybody's radar so easily.
>>153855955Because they fucking suck next question
>>153855955You know that the target audience (kids) just doesn't care for these because cartoons are not as big of the entertainment source as it used to be. That and the shows these days focus way more on selling the message instead of selling the toys, so the shows no longer are focusing on making characters cool or funny or relatable.
>>153869731But we don't have another question, senpai-kun?
>>153871304In his defense, when I first saw the subject of the thread I though the OP was another ESL asking other people a question until I read the actual comment and saw that OP answered it himself.
>>153855955This even carries over into adult animation. If King of the Hill premiered for the first time nowadays, it would've been cancelled after 2 seasons and no one would've cared.
>>153859956Finally he can fuck Gloria.
>>153872395Gloria's not teen, retard.
>>153861286Yeah and then nick in their infinite autism cut the screen time and relevance of the sisters in the show to focus more on lincolns annoying school friends and royal woods townies. Fuck schooled!
>>153869441I havent watched wylde pak yet ive only masturbated to the porn of it, but it sounds like wylde pak had humor in it which makes it leaps and bounds better then other slice of life shows like doug or craig of the creek where they were so sanitized and vapid that it was snore inducing. Those were the shows i was complaining about more in my post.
>>153856179>and it has an appealing artstyle if you're not an anime-tainted homosexual.Western animation belongs in the trash.
>>153873329Modern /a/ shit is worse
>>153860575wait but question though, why are unironic SpongeBob fans always so fucking insufferable and the moment you tell them anything above S3 is slop they get a melty?
>>153855955>>153856179>>153859516>anons forgot that the most popular show of the 2000s was a slice of life one
>>153873335Nope. Modern /co/ is way worse.
>>153873624Endless isekai slop and low effort shonen crap say otherwise
>>153856098Hahahahahaha!!! You are very funny and silly!Nice Try
>>153873634You can still find entertaining and fun shows even within all that. Still better than endless beanmouth shit made for manchildren, low effort remakes and adaptations of IPs nobody wants, and constant low effort adult shows trying to be the next Family Guy, Bob's Burgers, or Rick & Morty.
>>153855955>and now think cartoons should ONLY ever be high-concept and fantastical.Reddit irony is GARBAGE, irony driven plots are SHIT.
>>153873414Chowder..?
>>153869441>Wylde Pak made its grounded stories really engaging“Le Zomg i put LIMES in the BOBA TEA??? Korean SUPERMARKETS??? Korean AUNTIES??? SO DIVERSE!!!” is not fucking engaging, nor is “i wanna have a gaming room. Oh guess i won’t get a gaming room” a “sweet character arc”.>and with some of the best slapstick humour I've seenFucking lmao. Then post some of this lifechanging “slapstick humor” for the class, effeminised faggot. Your show is nothing but screencaps of low-effort memefaces and talentless calarts women sniffing eachother’s farts to see whose is most diverse.It “fell under the radar” because it’s slop beanmouth dogshit only about worshipping boring californian immigrants.>>153873287Nah it’s the exact same santisised vapid “humor” as Craig. Their faggy threads just circlejerk so much about “duuuh imagine how bad the flat immigrant brown girl smells *fap fap fap*” that they brainwashed themselves into parroting that this is lifechanging shit when it’s the most sanitised boring soulless woke slop to ever come out of calarts.
>>153873414you're a disingenuous fag
>>153873726Nah, theirs still more entertaining cartoons now then the bloated incestious anime has to offer now. Fucking isekai slop ruined anime for me
>>153873329Example given:
>>153875817>theirsIt's always an ESL.
>>153874583/thread
>>153876154Fuck you
>>153860280maybe they should more actively pander to that audience then.
>>153875817Name 3
>>153876231Kill yourself, foreigner.Get the fuck off of my internet and go back to your favela.
>>153858801Again, though, why not just make a live action show then?
>>153876252The owl housePrimalSmiling friendsHazbin hotel>>153876253Im american, dipshit. I swear everything is "REEEEEEE LE FOREIGNERS"
>>153876385>The owl houseZoomers have such dogshit taste in cartoons, I'm kinda glad this industry is on its deathbed.
>>153876385Learn to count
>>153855955The reason why modern cartoons fail is because people have access to the Internet, the only people I see caring about Western TV cartoons anymore are just autists and millennials, everyone else has moved over to K-Dramas and Japanese shows. You make mediocre to crap slop and people will go on an expedition for new unique content and the Japanese and Koreans, and the internet are filling that niche while TV just slowly chugs along.
>>153876466>i see that everyone else has moved over to worst korea slop or weeb slop.Lmfao no
>>153876385>The owl house>Hazbin hotelHoly shit kill yourself
>>153869441Wylde Pack is like Gravity Falls with only half the incest and none of the aspects that make a cartoon fun or enjoyable. In a good show something bland like "I want my own room" is supposed to lead in to something thats actually interesting and funny.
>>153876466This. When I was a child Id watch a cartoon I didnt like like MGPIAM because there wasnt much else to do. Kids I know today are streaming anime or K Dramas on their phone and have never heard of The Owl House.
>>153855955I think it could be attention spans and how easy you can just go to watch something else instantly.At least with old programming, you had different shows rolling, so you may just watch the next cartoon instantly unless you really hated it, and there were like what, 3 or 4 options, and you rotate between those.Now you watch what you want the second you are bored, why would you rewatch an episode you already know? Only when you couldn't pick what you want.Also kids today have a huge liking for watching YouTube videos, even if they are low level gameplay and mods, they prefer that over watching a cartoon.And even with those YouTube videos, the second they get bored they just flip to the next one, there is no time to grow any appreciation for any show.Even if you put the old "good shows", they will skip them anyway
>>153856098^Tactless and blunt, and therefore the most honest and relevant answer.I like a lot of these shows. But I'm not one the industry needs to convert. We are legacy fans. We can keep extolling the virtues of cartoons or comics, but it won't matter one bit if the visceral reaction from the unconverted these things illicit is "this is ugly and boring."
>>153871847I miss Duncanville too, you know?
>>153877916I want the DCAU back.
>>153876265because you can exaggerate shit in 2D that you can't really do IRL
>>153855955The medium has changed. There's more than 1 channel
>>153859956A show about teenage Cricket and Tilly trying to navigate living in both Big City and Smallton would be hilarious, actually.
>>153861205That just means that instead of identifying with Lucy or Lynn Jr., they're identifying with Leni or Lori. That's the real genius of the show, the huge age range of the main characters.
>>153873414>>anons forgot that the most popular show of the 2000s was a slice of life oneAre you referring to The Simpsons or DBZ?
>>153860433All the Digimon shows were butchered in America.
>>153880770proofs?
>>153869441I think it's a problem of variety. It seems as if the big channels now a days are premiering a some of new show every couple of years. So not everyone can be happy. Anime is far from perfect but there's at least variety there are hundreds of shows premiering each year. If you like some shonenshit, shoujoshit, slice of life, isekai you got your pick to choose from.
>>153855955It's not that audiences suddenly don't like animated sitcoms, the environment is just different. Shows compete with the internet and video games and every other show or movie ever made on-demand instead of just whatever else was on in their time slot.
>>153881895They still watch the first suggestion as long as you show up when you premiered you will find an audience
>>153856179Cartoonists forgot why ugly only works in specific circumstances.
>>153881619Really trannigga? How old are you?
>>153883339no proofs?
>>153873414>2000’sRetard
>>153859516> The absolute most heinous garbage was the shows that were the "imaginary play" setups that wanted the cake of fantasy ideas, but were somehow frightened by ideas of actual magic or supernatural concepts, so everything had to be some cute idea that we were seeing what kids imagined when they play with eachotherThis is like half of Calvin and Hobbes and it’s great, the concept alone isn’t bad
>>153855955NO! FUCKING! SHIT! We've only been telling you FOR YEARS! And also this >>153856098
Dragon Striker isn't a SoL cartoon, doesn't have a beanmouth artstyle and has a male lead yet nobody in /co/ or anywhere besides maybe some European Inazuma 11 fags are interested in watching it...
>>153855955Speaking of that "Oye Primos" show, I know some people tried to defend the shitty Spanish of that show by claiming second generation immigrants to the US tend to speak shitty Spanish anyway IRL because they're more used to English... But... Why even defend it at that point? If the Spanish is shitty because the second generation mainly speak English, doesn't that mean the third generation will just speak English with the shitty Spanish completely going away because the second generation don't even really need it? It literally won't last more than like 20 years before going extinct.
>>153855955The Loud House lasted over ten seasons, on Nickelodeon no less which is infamous for snuffing out toons that aren't an immediate hit.
>>153886140>canceled anyway lmfao
>>153888315I think they meant instantly cancelled instead of lasting this long.
>>153856179>These shows are all ugly AND unfunnyYeah Klasky-Csupo's style was so appealing
>>153855955Or maybe nobody wants to watch Calarts slop about brown people living in suspiciously crime-free diverse neighborhoods.Hell, I'm pretty sure Hey Arnold was the ONLY cartoon set in a city that showed how shitty it was to live in one.
>>153855955>>153855955>shows (3?) different shows with just about the same art style and character designs and even basic conceptOh no, how could this be happening? Why doesn't anyone want to watch cal-arts SoL comedy #345, #346, and #347? It's sure a shock to me. Remember the days where cartoons that had similar designs to each other were the exception and not the rule? I can't even tell if these pics came from different companies, let alone shows. And then there's also the fact that people have been cutting their cable to try and save some money, therefore the pool of potential viewers is likely only going down over time.
>>153855955They don't have the style, teeth, wit, or heart of the SoL shows of yesteryear. And that's mostly because real life is so dire, so entwined with unreality and unbearable to look at that we just look at the old fiction to make new fiction. You could argue there were cracks in the 2010s but at least ground was still being broken in the early days. But somehow we've found ourselves in an eternal 2016; 10 years have passed since those godforsaken elections and we're still cataloging, sectioning and labelling what's woke and what's redpilled because everything looks the goddamn same, sounds the goddamn same and gets made by the same goddamn people in the same goddamn place so we're still using the same goddamn slang we invented. 10 years ago CN's big 3 were Gumball, Adventure Time and Regular Show releasing new episodes. Today, Warner's big 3 are Gumball, Adventure Time and Regular Show and are having new episodes in development. It's just been reheated leftovers over and over and over and over and over and over again. And the microwave is crying electronic wails of agony, begging for death.
>>153859079it was garbage when lucas was working on it but once he got his fat hands off it became diamonds
>>153859516While I do agree on a fair number of anime for taking it's audience seriously->that shit with Tai remembering how he almost got his sister really sick sticks with me, being an older brother and all-stuff like Hey Arnold still told genuine stories, and HA wasn't afraid to dabble in the supernatural (the axe bride, the ghost conductor) while at the same time presenting certain problems in life in a kid-safe way (Chocolate Kid being a play on drug addiction, Helga's mom's "smoothies"). Honestly, it really is just a matter of taste, and I dig both flavors.
