Do you like any of his work, if so which books? Mainly interested in his original stuff, not runs for existing charactersI only know Transmet which was fun enough, but it's been almost 20 years since I read it
>>153861062Nextwave did a lot for its cast despite clearly being a freestyle, Marvel still references its ideas.
>>153861062The Authority, Planetary, and Nextwave are brilliant. The attempt to cancel him may have been the most pathetic attempt to cancel someone in the history of cancelling. “Oh he cybersex’d me then didn’t call me the next day”…in my day you dumped your cybersex partner the second you came and in a fit of shame blocked them and deleted your account. Then reactivated it and unblocked your partner about twenty to thirty minutes later.
>>153861062Probably the best heterosexual writer in comics
>>153861062Planetary>>153861628He's not even in the top 25.
>>153863225Who made the list?I haven't seen anything better than planetary in a long time, and I loved freak angels it was very interesting and compelling story, as nothing but a writer writes circles around most comic writers that's why they can't get enough of his nextwave characters
>>153861062I liked Nextwave back in the day but I can't forgive what he did to Castlevania
>>153863461Wait what did he wrote for castlevania?
>>153861272>Nextwave did a lot for its castA lot of bad, yeah. It especially ruined Boom Boom and as dull as Inglorious X-Force is it's the first time in a long time she's actually been written more like herself and not the cartoonish bimbo Ellis made her. I hate everything Ellis has ever written, he did so much damage to comics at the turn of the millennium and into the 2000s that it's unreal and that's ignoring his shitty forum that was an entrypoint for talentless hacks like Fraction, DeConnick and De Campi.
>>153863498>wroteWRITE
>>153861577Authority...brillhant...há!
>>153861062>do you like any of his workyes-Transmetropolitan-Druid miniseries ended very apruptly, not sure if he was insulting the character-Supergod-wasn't that much of a fan of astonishing x-men, but that's mostly because i didn't like the art. at least he kept beast around. even if i don't like the cat mutation, it was still a functional part of his background because beast represents mutancy's aesthetic for evolution-i've read crooked little vein, i liked it. there were some very funny parts in it. the only other book as funny and like that was "gun, with occasional music"-i don't remember if i liked his run on moon knight. i know i liked 2009 huston moon knight but can't remember how long i kept reading MK. if i disliked it i would have remembered. if it was ellis that had moon knight standing up for protection and justice in the dream world, then yes, that was good shit and that alone would put moon knight as a strong ally of dr. strange and midnight sons-i liked black summer-i started to read trees but either i dropped it or he never finished or it was on hiatus or somethingwhatever bs women say, my patience runs thin because i've been falsely accused before. i couldn't care less for whatever they're saying because ellis seems like he has ADD or something, i think there have been several times he drops things when he loses interest or maybe it was so many things going on hiatus
>>153863461>>153863498netflix adaptation was good for people who never played the video game. would it really have been good if it followed the video game?>>153863225>not even top 25those are certainly wordshe's easily inside the top 10 if not top 5 with moore, gaiman, remender and carey
I legitimately think less of anyone who says they're a fan of Ellis. He's he epitome of the smug 2000s internet addicted Gen Xer right down to the fact he literally wore a fedora.
>>153864020>remenderJesus Christ, dude... as if Ellis wasn't bad enough...
>>153864020>netflix adaptation was good for people who never played the video game. would it really have been good if it followed the video game?Kys
>>153863674>Not using past tenses for everything already done>>153864020I saw that it wasn't bad at all, 10/10 would get him another gig
>>153861062Nextwave is unfunny.
>>153863965>whatever bs women say, my patience runs thin because i've been falsely accused before.I read through the accusations and it is a lot of "not illegal" stuff. Was he a bit of a dick? Sure. Was he was a bit manipulative in places? Yes, majorly. Were there a few seriously unethical things bordelining on a crime? Sure, perhaps. But mostly a bunch of douchebag things. People were lapping up his "rockstar of comics" persona so he could build a harem via his forum and social media. It is absolutely fucking bizarre that would work. Absolutely bizarre people would fall for it. I do feel like he became the main #metoo comics moment and a lightning rod for accusations despite the lack of an actual crime. In a way, Gaiman, accused of worse things and actual crimes, who is being investigated criminally and sued civilly, seems to have gotten off of the brunt of it because of his standing and it being outside the main #metoo era.It is never really about the actual details of an accusation and absolutely about the standing of the perpetrator. Are they someone people can get or get to.
Yes, I enjoy Warren Ellis.Yes, I think he is a great English.
I like rape
>>153866422I like when rapists get cruel and unusual punishments
>>153866422this in particular got me diamonds>>153866580mehseems incredibly disingenuous >lol, look at how fucked up this is>ISN'T IT AWESOME HOW WE'RE PUTTING A JACKHAMMER UP HIS ASS IN RETURN?!?!?!?if you want something to be horrible and morally reprehensible, you don't have your protagonists who are, as evident by the narrative, supposed to be on some level morally superior do the exact same thing
>>153866169>>153861577There were probably some trivial accusations but I also think it's his own fault for fostering an environment that inevitably led to thisThere was one accuser's story that got juxtaposed against the story of someone who got completely ostracized by the forum decades ago, partly because of the accuser
>>153864020I played every Castlevania game on NES, SNES, GB, GBA, and DS. I liked the Netflix show.I heard it took some liberties with characters adapted from the PS2 games, but... who cares?
>>153866845Fans of Castlevania who aren't consoomers
>>153866730https://somanyofus.com/You can read them. There are some super trivial ones and some that sound much more manipulative bordering on something more serious. But again, no one alleged criminality. The youngest accuser was 16 I think? (16 is legal AOC in the UK).
>>153866723That's on you assuming I wanna se a rapist raped instead of doing public service for 20 years
>>153866949how horrifying
>>153861062he used to be very talented but also could use some good editor to tone down his fedoraplanetary is one of the pinnacles of capeshitI really liked his early work in established properties like in marvel 2099, and his stormwatch run before authority was fantasticauthority was great but it ruined fucking capeshit forever with how influential it was with the decompression shit
>>153866422This is Millar, not Ellis.
>>153869274oh my god, what's the difference at this point?ennis, ellis, millar?these fags all write the same shit and have very similar names
>>153863628Boom Boom actually ended up getting off the least damaged from Nextwave.Bloodstone benefited the most, Machine Man depending on how wedded you are to the Kirby/DeFalco version, while Photon got irrevocably fucked.Boom Boom was just there
>>153870644Machine Man got permanently ruined purely off the fact that he was reduced to a pathetic joke character. At least Slott hard retconned Nextwave Photon as being a tourist from a parallel earth.
>>153870644>Bloodstone benefited the mostShe got completely redesigned and her personality completely changed, and aged up from being a teen. It's basically an OC, and her new personality was just a stock Warren Ellis book female character, so it's debatable whether it was of benefit to her at all.>while Photon got irrevocably fucked.Of the whole Nextwave lineup, Monica having become a bitter has-been was the only one that actually made any sort of sense as character development that might actually happen to someone. Naturally it's one of the ones that didn't stick.>>153870694>At least Slott hard retconned Nextwave Photon as being a tourist from a parallel earth.Please don't defend that awful issue.
>>153870956>Please don't defend that awful issue.Two wrongs make a right, Lisa
>>153861062Anon that's the composer Warren Ellis who works with Nick Cave, but yes I like Warren Ellis a lot. I think Scars is horribly underrated, and he shouldn't have lost his career just because he was a serial cheating prick. The person I feel worst for is his wife, who all his egirlfriends were more than happy to stab in the back.
>>153871019>Two wrongs make a rightIs this Terryology or something?
>>153869291If you think those three authors have the same authorial voice, you need to take some sort of remedial reading class at your local community college, you're functionally illiterate.
>>153863965>i don't remember if i liked his run on moon knightHe got two very good or three good stories out of the run.
>>153861062The concept of Supergod was great: an insane mad science arms race to make the best superhuman
>>153861577Anon, don't feel sympathy for him when he was the type of person perfectly happy on dishing it out himself.
>>153864020I never played the video games but I thought the pacing was fucking awful and the plot progression nonsensical.
>>153861062Damn Ellis looks haggard after he left comics.
>>153871789The worst part of Ellisvania was the weird atheist "the church is the real evil" angle that's completely contradictory to everything in the actual games.
There's a feeling of narcissistic elitism in his writing that just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I can tell he has seething contempt for religious Christians and thinks he's above them.
>>153864378There are worse writers that have many fans.
>>153861062Ellis looks like shit
>>153870694Nextwave is the only reason anyone cares about Machine Man anymore
>>153870956Elsa was a dogshit attempt at a blatant Buffy ripoff originally. Ellis changed nearly all about her and it was all for the better. If he hadn’t nobody would even remember she existed or wanted to use Elsa in anything
>>153872075I used to hate his writing until I realized that he wasn't anti-Christian, he's anti bad Christian. If you aren't a Donald Trump, a pedo hypocrite billionaire felon, then he isn't referring to you whenever he criticizes Christians.
>>153861062Crecy and James Bond were good. Mainly the first bond, Vargr.
>>153873408Crecy is amazing.
>>153873077Not really much of a positive that you think it is
>>153873122You're completely missing the point that if you're going to change EVERYTHING about a character except her name, you should have just created an OC in the first place.Being forgotten is arguably a better fate than being turned into a generic Warren Ellis female character, too.
>>153873156>the writer who's been a smug atheist his whole career is just against 'the bad Christians' and specifically against a guy who wouldn't even have been on his radar during the peak years of his career This is poor cope, anon. He's always been one of those fedora atheists seething about Christianity but with nothing bad to say about other religions.
>>153871139LOL I thought Warren was looking much handsomer with long straggly hair, but that makes more sense.
>>153869188oh yeah I really fucking liked newuniversal and was pissed off when they cancelled itand ultimate galactus trilogyI read a bunch of his OG stuff from avatar, vertigo, wildstorm and so on like no hero, transmet, red, global frequency, black summeretc he's usually worth checking out, sometimes it's not very good sometimes it's great
>>153864020>netflix adaptation was good for people who never played the video game.It really wasn't.>>153871856You mean contradictory to the fucking show itself. The only way that you would view the Church as the greater evil is if you internalize the deeply evil morality of the show.
>>153873953It is because Aaron has been far more entertaining after he was revamped to be more wacky.>>153874159No. Again, the original comic introducing Elsa was absolute dogshit. That version had zero redeeming qualities. Radically changing her to something else was and still is a net positive. Who fucking cares if she’s a stock Warren Ellis character, she became better for it that people not only liked but have kept using for two decades now.
>>153866845Fag
>>153875229>I play the bad games and deserve respectI blame AVGN for people like you
>>153871755i feel like The Power Fantasy carries that flame superwell.love me some of that avatar era comicsBlack Summer is another fav which shares similarities too.
>>153877204Does it?
>>153861062Why does he look like a rabbi?
>>153878441The beard.
>>153870644Like I said, Boom Boom got turned into a mentally retarded bimbo, Monica was just a raging bitch, Machine Man got turned into HK-47. Elsa almost doesn't count since her only appearance prior to Nextwave was the Bloodstone mini she was created for so her Nextwave version may as well just be an OC.
>>153866723>>ISN'T IT AWESOME HOW WE'RE PUTTING A JACKHAMMER UP HIS ASS IN RETURN?!?!?!?Break someone's spine so they dont feel pain, rape him fo jokes... but he dosent feel pain and dies anyway.Just imagine Ennis jarking off as he writes this
>>153880732ennis jerks off to everything
>>153880421At least is not hitler midgets
>>153866422>just actual fetish contentdamn
>>153881251yesthe most horrifying and edgy of them all
>>153881356Well, was there some sort of R-18 version or edit of it published? Because like, if I go look online at this issue right now the actual pages are a lot tamer. Swift does not get a cigar put out on her tongue, and there's not some necrophiliac thing with Jenny. What's the deal?
>>153881404Those were the censored ones that were originally published because the original, the necrophilia and oral stuff, was considered too much. In the Omnibus, it was returned to what it originally was
>>153881618That's interesting. I think the Swift stuff there is more effective than the censored stuff, it's much more effective sadism, but the Jenny Sparks bit is kinda OTT and full-on necrophilia doesn't really fit with the laddish nature of the dude vs. his 3 surgically manufactured lookalikes in the tamer version. OTOH it does kinda channel a prophetic Jimmy Saville thing.
>>153881662Well, yeah. Censorship only ever tones things down. The corpse rape is more to instill how utterly fucked the Authority are with even dead Jenny serving as little more than a sex toy.And honestly, it would've been kino if it ended on this note. No revenge spree or any of that. They're all just fucked, literally and figuratively.All of them are assholes and retards, so who really cares?
>>153881662That's the stuff, gotta love a good shock value from your writing, shit happens in real life and the writers reflect the real world into the comic and done as you said surgically it works
>>153881736eh?Nothing about the Authority was surgical. It kind of just dumps you into them. And all their personality traits and beliefs are said rather than conveyed. Whether Ellis or Millar, it's all the same.I've read fanfic where the loving surrogate mother was all but outright said to be manipulating and grooming the protagonist, but it's written so saccharinely and genuinely, you don't realize it until she mentions to his actual girlfriend she's jealous she had sex with him first.
>>153881799I don't think is personal just like Ennis they had the same crude phase and I believe it was a thing in comic editorials that need to pander to gore fans that was huge around that time, it was something like thisMetal->Gore->edgelord lv3
>>153871139i wonder if musician ellis has read comic writer ellis, and if he did, what he thought of bowel guns and godzilla bukkake and all that kind of ellis stuff
Ok, I will read Ministry of Space.
>>153861577This except I hate Authority and love Transmet in its place.
>>153863628Unbelievable. A guy who actually cares about the character Boom Boom? Enough to be mad about Nextwave? Only on 4chan.
>>153882400This may shock you, 00s fanboy, but there are fans of characters made before Warren Ellis wrote The Authority
>>153882543And what was boom boom character?
>>153881799>I've read fanficOpinion: discarded
>>153882543>noooooo you're just saying that because she's old, you would say the same shit about Wolverine fanboys!!!!Eat a shotgun from the far end
>>153882668Cope, Ellis fan-manchild
Crooked Little Vein is good. If you have the guts to actually read something instead of arguing with people you know are losers online go and read it right now.
>>153882640anon, i... i don't know how to tell you thisalmost the entire comic industry is fanfic
>>153861062>Do you like any of his workDo you call any of that shit working
>>153869291>oh my god, what's the difference at this pointYou being a fucking faggot
>>153883095lol calm down
>>153882568An abused kid mutant with self-esteem issues trying to fit in with NM, then with Cable, etc. She wasn't smart, she wasn't hot, she was trying to make the best of what she was.
I avoid modern british writers. Their work is caustic for my taste.
>>153883598They all cut their teeth thinking being able to write for AD2000 taught them everything they need to know about writing comic books
>Writes a self-insert that takes Kitty Pryde's virginity.>Turns Castlevania into an atheist redditors mouth piece. Why is he like this?
>>153883933he's a hack
>>153883598Do you not avoid modern American writers?
>>153861062His run on doom 2099 was funny.Then again he also killed a bunch of 2099 guys during his run, including hulk and punisher. Also the writer before him was better.
who
>>153878441>>153873034>>153871815Pic is some other guy named Wrraen Ellis, not the writer. The writer is phenotypically much more nerdish.
>>153864456>i have bad tastethe fuck do you read then? you haven't named any other comic writers as an example for good writing>>153864640you first. also answer the question>>153866881>>153875229literally no argument. tell us what happens in the video games, chumps. tell us how it would be different or shut the fuck up>>153871789holy shit thank you for an actual criticism. damn.
>>153871856>the church is the real evilthat is correct. all religions exploit humanity. every single one of them.>>153875042>the only way you see church as greater evil is if you internalizeno, you're just coping. literal farmers that could kill vampires in the daytime were stopping carmella's plan. humanity would have defeated vampires over time. humanity is still enslaved by religion though
I bit the bullet and finally read Irredeemable/Incorruptible and I have to say both were fucking dogshit. I really don't understand how anyone can hold up the Plutonian as a good evil Superman, his character writing was borderline retarded. Planetary is still pretty decent at least.
>>153890519>Irredeemable/IncorruptibleUh, that's by Mark Waid.
>>153882790I don’t know if I would call it good. It’s all of Ellis’ tropes and 00s naughty edginess wrapped inside a weak detective narrative
>>153866169>he could build a harem>bizarre that would workthen you don't understand women. literally every hetero relationship begins with a woman looking for a man with a higher salary than hers. women specifically seek a power imbalance. it's the most direct thing they do in their entire lives.>gaimanthe cunt in the bathtub consented. the other stuff is weird though>gotten off because of his standingokay you tell yourself that
>>153883534So making her more comedic wasn’t character rape but just much needed update
>>153890583I am vindicated>>153869291
>>153869291>and have very similar namesMust suck to be an easily confused retard
>>153890602>much neededTranslation: "I liked it so it was okay also I never read the books before"
>>153890601>literally every hetero relationship begins with a woman looking for a man with a higher salary than hersHow would you know Your mom is not a representative sample and neither is your /r9k/ headcanont. wife did not earn less than me for the first 20 years of our marriage
>>153890778No, you're both stupid.
>>153890895no u
>>153875218It doesn't matter what you thought of the original characters you bellend. If you're radically changing someone else's creation so much that it may as well be an OC, you should just create an OC in the first place, the same way Nextwave did with The Captain.And it's sadly not a surprise that the industry is full of the type of people who love to keep using stock Warren Ellis characters even while they cancel him.>>153882400She's the one member of that team with the longest consecutive history of being in comics, she's from a franchise with a fanatical fandom and you're amazed anyone cared about her?
>>153893028It’s fucking Boom-Boom.
>>153893041>Fuck you for even caring.It's not 2017 anymore.
>>153889763>some other guy named Wrraen Ellisit's the more famous Warren Ellis
>>153890466>no, you're just coping. literal farmers that could kill vampires in the daytime were stopping carmella's plan. humanity would have defeated vampires over time. humanity is still enslaved by religion thoughNobody brought up Carmilla because nobody gives a shit about Carmilla. She was a retard surrounded by bigger retards. She isn't even defeated by the protagonist of her side story. She is defeated the protagonist of another side story. She isn't even good enough to have any involvement from the actual protagonists. Then the lesbo vampires ride off in the sunset as if anyone gives a shit about them.What kind of point are you trying to make? And how the Hell does Carmilla fit into it? Carmilla is just the extension of the vampire Game of Thrones shit just didn't fucking matter.
>>153880732This was by Miller.
From what I'm seeing in this thread, people hate Ellis because they think he wrote comics that he didn't, and they dislike those comics that he didn't write.
>>153896111We can dislike the comics he did write, AND the comics by other British Invasion edgelords people think he wrote.
>>153896111Don't let your monocle drop in your tea while you're getting roiped by the Arabs.
>>153896111Yeah, the guy may be a fedora-tipping edgy pseud but he's not a full-on retard like Millar.
>>153896175lol what
>>153896175Was this thread archived?
>>153896710Not on desu, before its time.
>>153882400Boom Boom started out as a mall rat era Madonna expy before becoming a streetwise foil and ultimately love interest due Cannonball. But since X-Force got turned into Xstatics, she got dropkicked into limbo because Zeb Wells and Hickman hate her and Hickman even made Sam marry an OC character and gave him two kids o perma block 90s fans from ever reuniting thwm
>>153896916She assumed her proper place as Jubilee's chewtoy in X-Terminators.
>>153896710Yephttps://old.sage.moe/co/thread/6340037/#6340037
