Do you guys like Annihilus? Feels like all people ever talk about are Doctor Doom and Thanos for some reason. Annihilus had that whole Annihilation Wave thing. And while we're at it, Ultron isn't talked about enough either
>>153861776He's not as prevalent since he's basically never referenced outside the comics. Plus, DR Strange and Thanos were made massively popular because of the MCU boost.Though I'm not sure that's as effective for a character nowadays.
>>153862038He said Dr. Doom
>>153862064The reason I said Strange and not Doom is because I thought about how the MCU has handled adaptations recently and how wasted Shuma-gorath was when he appeared. Essentially being a generic monster who could have been swapped with anything else. They did my boy so dirty...
He's F4 Dormammu
>>153861776>>153862038He showed up in FF:WGH, but being powerful but simple is why he isn't talked about as much as Doom and Thanos, his machinations are not Machiavellian.Also Ultron ironically got too much play around the movie but none of it with much meaningful point, I recall Bendis' Age of Ultron and Avengers AI, and the Pymtron developments, so I think people just whelmed.
>>153862172Don’t worry, anon. That wasn’t Shuma-Gorath. It was Gargantos. :)
>>153862350Nta but I'm not calling him that.
>>153861776There's two problems with Ultron, 1 brainiac does Ultron but better more well known sorry but it's true. 2 Ultron is attached to Hank Pym and Marvel has a huge boner for Pym also know as he who slaps. They tried to push Uktro. Away from Pym but too many people associate him with Pym so the only way to fix that at this point is to forgive the slap and Marvel never will.
>>153862521Actually they sort of put Hank in a good spot right now. Thank McKay's Moon Knight. But ignoring the Pym connection, Ultron is still a fantastic adversary of The Avengers. He's petty, fun, and led a conquest across the universe
>>153861776Like most of the FF's rogue gallery, he's sadly underutilized. Which is a shame since he can be pretty entertaining; typically a lot of these guys have a sympathetic backstory or a deep reasoning behind their actions but Annihilus ain't that, he's just a gremlin who wants to kill everything in sight out of pure paranoia.
>>153861776I fucking love his design so muchJust a giant bug-dragon-human-thing with freaky wings and bright colorsI wish he was used more often
>>153863141What makes it funnier is that canonically Annihilus is Hobbit sized, the purple shell is literally an armor.
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>>153862392very speciesist of you to assume all eyeball-tentacle-horrors are the same
>>153863191wasn't that before he evolved himself and built the Cosmic Control Rod
>>153862038>because of the MCU boostHe was considered to be the villain of GotG 3 and the scrapped Nova show so at least they do have him in mind. Maybe they'll use him in FF since Galactus and Doom are out of the way and Annihilus is the one main villain of the team that hasn't been used yet.
>>153861776Really cool design. Would be nice if Marvel used him for the next phase villain after they move on from the multiverse and Doom, but I'm not holding my breath.
>>153863069He's like the embodiment of the Dark Forest Theory. You need to quickly and efficiently kill EVERYTHING because it might kill you.
>>153863241Yeah, but he's also been shown to be truly around that size in more recent comics
>>153863264That new horror FF comic could be pretty interesting if they lean into those aspects of the villains.
>>153861776there are plenty of magic oriented villains that are also underutilized.annihilus could easily be a main villain for other heroes that get forced to the back ground like beta ray bill. beta ray bill and silver surfer would make a great team up>>153862172yeah wasting villains is pretty common. george lucas did it with darth maul and grievous. now darth maul has his own series, grievous is popular, and even cad bane is a great villain.you can tell when creators and writers aren't all that invested in the actual storytelling. the stronger the villain the more meaningful the story
>>153861776https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5I9RRgZY
>>153861776No. I read the FF Annual he was in and Annihilation. He's a garbage villain.
>>153866028Secondary
>>153863386I feel like this timeline cheated me out of trippy comics about Sleepwalker being an astral border cop and chasing down DMT elves that possess people.
>>153861776Annihilation was the best and worst thing to happen to him. It really put Annihilus on the map as a big galactic villain, above typical Thanos schemes even, but at the same time he's now only ever seen as a warlord at the head of Annihilation Waves. It's hard to see him as a villain of the week the Fantastic Four foil from time to time now, though funnily enough Doom himself falls into this too
>>153866424That's more on Marvel for not having any new ideas for him over the last 2 years and relying on nostalgia-bating an audience that moved on years ago
>>153861776He's a character, alright
>>153861776Didn't his viscera get yanked out through his mouth and he's kinda dead now
>>153863191Honestly Annihilus is great in that his motives are kinda understandable and somewhat sympathetic but he himself is an irredeemable and utterly psychotic villain because of said motives.
>>153866028>Faggot with no taste post
>>153863281>but he's also been shown to be truly around that size in more recent comicsThe people working on modern comics just can't stop themselves from ruining everything, can they?
>>153868603He backed up to an egg with all his memories, then Thanos shrank and stepped on him, then he was just back again. He's good, he's just not in enough other media.
>>153870369Annihilus has rehatched himself a couple times. It's how they explain away his random deaths
>>153861776>Motivation is that he's incredibly paranoid about dyingJust...give him therapy
>>153871747I just mean he did it without another Annihilus Jr. arc, we was all grown up when he appeared again. He's a bug and his clone lab is a planet, it's even more fine then when somebody like Leader spontaneously manifests again.
>>153866424I have not read Annihilation yet. But I know Dan Abnett and Giffen are involved and GOTG as we know it now sprang out of it.Was the annihilation wave concept something Giffen got from talking to Abnett and learning about 40k with the Tyranids or is it something that can be surmised that unstoppable space bug races that zergrush planets is a concept that basically everyone came up with at different times in terms of parallel thinking? I know Alien basically led to the Brood happening since Kitty and the Brood came after that movie and their inspiration is obvious and that was like 1982 when the Brood were introduced. And Tyranids came in 1987 with a 40k edition/add-on or whatever. Ans then Star Craft came later. Is this line of thinking something that can be verified?Anyway, Annihilus is cool and Doom bringing him in the movies or him showing up in Rivals would be cool.
>>153863141I was surprised to see him in the second F4/Gargoyles crossover.
Annihilus is cool because he's just a spiteful bastard that refuses to die, like a cockroach that found a way to build an army that has brought the universe to its knees. Dude is a swarm of locus across the cosmos. And why? Because life that is not Annihilus is a threat to Annihilus. We were lucky that the only territory he had was the Negative Zone, and then when the Fantastic Four fucked up and stepped into his yard, he realized there was an ocean of stars with countless beings that posed a threat, which could not stand.Not to armchair "Um if I had control of the MCU" shit, but if they were really looking to replace Kang, Annihilus probably would have been the better pick given their multiverse boner. Just have him be the asshole who is wiping out countless realities simply for existing, and pull from Annihilation. But obviously Doom has more recognition, and they were desperate for RDJ so whatever
>>153866036I've only read those comics he's in. I don't know him from anything else.>>153869974Nope.
MCU Ultron threatened a slavic city gee I wonder why nobody cared.
>>153871897He'd think his therapist is out for his cosmic control rod
>>153873115You know comic Ultron actually massacred the entire country of Slorenia?
>>153872785>But obviously Doom has more recognitionThe fans share the blame in what's happened, or at least the fans on places like Youtube and Reddit that make enough noise to shape normie opinion, though "drop Kang and do Doom instead" was repeated here often enough and by people who should probably know better.
>>153861776He spent most of his existence being another one note silly 60s whatever bad guy that almost no one ever gave a shit about. Including most writers. Then Annihilation happened and now people think he was some amazing final boss of Marvel. He went right back to being a one note silly 60s leftover almost immediately after it too.
>>153861776There is not a whole lot to him. He's a green bug man who wants to invade and kill everyone. That's about it. Not much to write about when he is not invading with bug armies.He's basically a classic B-Movie alien monster.
>>153862521I never understood why people constantly compare Ultron to Brainiac. A self aware robot that runs amok is not really similar to a super intelligent alien that preserves aliens after blowing their planets up.
>>153861776I always thought it was weird how he has some amazing ultimately powerful cosmic thingy that makes him the god of the Negative Zone. While he is almost never really taken as a huge cosmic level threat at all when he appears. And no one else ever really does anything impressive with the Cosmic Control Rod either any time someone else gets their hands on it. The guy should be a lower end Silver Surfer villain but out side of Annihilation, he is more a FF annoyance that they shove back into the negative zone and forget about. Darkhawk and Talon just fucking with Catastrophus with the control rod was also kind if sad.
>>153873115MCU Ultron tried to turn a Slavic city into an extinction event meteor. You're drastically underselling things.>>153873577>You know comic Ultron actually massacred the entire country of Slorenia?>because it was a location from a comic the people working on that book hated.It's genuinely sad how many creative decisions in late 90s Marvel were being made just because someone was sperging about an early 90s book, story or character they disliked.
>>153868603His main motivator is to become immortal and never die at all since his species has an incredibly short life. His reason for chasing cosmic powers was to be immortal.
Never understood how the guy whose whole schtick is "works alone because he trusts no one" suddenly had a posse
>>153874350It's less a posse and more helpful disposables. They serve his will and will eventually get killed doing so as to not threaten him...though he also had 3 wives which opens a lot of questions.
>>153861776He's pretty cool, but kinda one-note compared to Dr. Doom, I think?>>153862038Ironic because movie Thanos was so, so BORING compared to the real deal.
>>153872026>But I know Dan Abnett and Giffen are involved and GOTG as we know it now sprang out of it.Those GotG came from Annihilation: Conquest (Annihilation 2, if you will). I think Abnett and Lanning got involved during and afterwards? They were writing Nova at the time, which tied in.>>153868603Adding to what other anons said, the Annihilus egg was in the last panel of Annihilation I think? No idea if that's where he started respawning.>>153873577>Slurenia Now that's a good name for a minority country.
>>153861776I. Love. Annihilus. I hate that he's a Fantastic Four villain because I don't read Fantastic Four. But I always check in on what he's doing when I need a fix.
Not enough porn of him sadly.
>>153861776Annihilation is to him what Infinity Gauntlet is to Thanos. He'll never peak like that again and unfortunately few writers are creative enough to use him as more than a punching bag when they could get weird with it. Ultron is a character no one knows what to do with these days but he still makes out a lot better due to some older stories, being the villain of AoU, and writers occasionally delivering super powerful Ultron mogs the Marvel universe flavored stories. To me Ultron's the most interesting of those four villains you named.
>>153866424>It's hard to see him as a villain of the week the Fantastic Four foil from time to time now, though funnily enough Doom himself falls into this tooWithout his massive galactic swarm army he isn’t anything special. That’s the point.
>>153875176>Ironic because movie Thanos was so, so BORING compared to the real deal.I thought Josh Brolin did a good job conveying that "scary abusive dad you still somehow want approval from" energy. From the movies, he's the best villain.
>>153875702He's pretty hardcore by himself though, specially with the rod.>>153875989Josh Brolin did nothing wrong, but none of that describes Thanos. He had none of the magnificent bastard smug energy from the comics, his personal powerset was basically nonexistant. He didn't even have the cold, deadpan moments of when he's just being "scientifically curious". They only got him somewhat right in cameos in Avengers and GotG 1.
