>>153862212

Honest opinion

Positives:
Movie was entertaining, it had a good overall message. Unlike some other sequels that deconstructed the characters or just needlessly repeated the life-lesson of the first movie, or even had the characters go through and learn the same thing a second time, it did show character growth.

It expanded on the characters and build up a lot of anticipation and shipping fuel to make the romance a very "open door" so all the complainers that say "a romance would be forced" can shut up because its very clearly not anymore, its very much teased and part of the movie's theme and Judy's and Nick's character archs now.

It definitely deserved the huge box office success. I hope Judy and Nick will become one of the first ever official interspecies, enemies-to-lovers official animated disney couple.

Negatives:
It deconstructed the world and the city too much. It really hard to balance worldbuilding.
If you don't establish enough rules, the city won't have character, and it will not feel real enough, like the city in Elemental or the underwater city in SharkTale, or other lackluster fictional cities of Disney and Dreamworks that you can't even remember the name of.

The first movie avoided that and established several rules, like an only mammal civilization. A Modern animal society, where "animal"/"mammal"/"person" where all synonyms. It was inspiring and inspired to explore it with hundreds of fanarts.

The sequel undid that, they undid their own rules by making snakes and lizards also sapient without a proper, realistic explanation, why the first movie not just in imagery, but actual in actual language was missing them. I love Ke Huy, but I would've been fine him voicing some rare mammal that didn't appear in the first movie. The land-stealing conspiracy could've worked with any mammal race that was missing from the first movie too and it would've felt like natural progression of the worldbuilding. Snakes don't.

>>153862212
It was OK. A typical B movie. It really just reminded me of a typical treasure hunt "find the MacGuffin" movie like National Treasure or Uncharted.

It wasn't great. The main character of Zootopia is ultimately supposed to be Zootopia, and it the city and it's inhabitants really weren't explored as well as they should have been. The desert and the snow field were kind of boring.

>>153862212
It’s a good film. I think it was a better film than the first one. It mostly faltered with some of the snake stuff being a little too sugary and innocent.

>>153862212
I watched it on Disney+ a while ago.

>>153862717
one of my strongest complaints too.

In a good worldbuilding, the city itself is also a character.
I felt like that was missing by leaving too many things too vague, and have social issues resolved too easily.

>>153862828
agree with the snake stuff, but also think the first one was still leages better.

I think they trying up the stakes of the first one's social issue with an even bigger, darker conspiracy felt forced. The first one's ending had a message that the issue is not resolved and its gonna take huge effort to make it a work and long lasting, and yet the sequel pretends it never existed.

Like the whole city had a huge anti-predator issue, with the movie ending with predators like Nick joing the zpd and Clawhauser getting his front-desk job back.
Yes in the sequel every other predator officer disappeared, the wolves, the polar bears, the tigers the lions, every single one. I can't say the sequel is better when it really disregards things the first movie established.

>>153862212
Worse than the first one, but still good. Nick and Judy's dynamic has become worse, with Judy in particular being unlikable at times. The whole Lynx elite and reptile discrimination bit was too on the nose. Turning non mammals sapient was a huge shot on the foot, as Zootopia is big enough that this expansion only makes it harder to buy into the logic of the world, which Disney seems to be trying to keep consistant and not very magical. Desnake is a nice, if overly innocent character, and Pawbert is a better villain than Bellwheter.
The worst part of the movie is that it sets a trend of every zootopia movie being a metaphor for some aspect of social discrimination, which while not necessarily a bad thing, really limits the kind of stories they can tell. Instead of exploring the inner workings and conflicts of Zootopia we are only focusing on edge case problems.

>>153862212
They're 100% kissing in the third one, right?

what do they eat?

>>153863320
they fucking better...

Not to be THAT guy but, I was unhappy with the shipping, namely that it lead to fucking NOWHERE in the second.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uxAKsiBs20&list=RD3uxAKsiBs20&start_radio=1

If you use a love song in the first trailer,
then your characters should kiss.

Or at the very least confirm that something is gonna happen, like Nick tells Nibbles that he has fallen for Judy, just not ready to tell HER that, or some other form of visual foreshadowing, like other character asking Judy if they have anyone in their life and she glances at Nick without noticing.

It would've generated more excitement if we would've been allowed to wonder "wow, I wonder how Nick will confess his feelings in Zootopia3" rather than needing to wonder "wow...i wonder if they will just keep doing this ambiguous shit forever".

I didn't want spoilers for Zootopia2 and left the theater disappointed.
I will only go see Zootopia3 before confirming through leaks and spoilers that they do become an item.

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>>153863622
Z2 kinda cofirms that mammal predators eat
-fish
-crustaceans
-bugs
-worms

Dunno what snakes/reptiles eat. I hope its birds. The world needs more worldbuilding of the overall world and the ecosystem. Snakes owning chicken farms so they would have a direct supply of fresh eggs would be amazing worldbuilding and great source of comedy.

>>153862937
The first one lost a lot of points with me in the third act low point where Judy suddenly got super racist out of nowhere and the lamb was a lame ass twist villain. A product of its era. The second film didn’t have those issues. It might have been a questionable sequel, but it’s still a better film in my mind taken as its own thing.

>>153863923
I agree with Bellwether not being a good twist villain, but Judy's racism wasn't "out of nowhere"
it was subtly foreshadowed.
She was not comfortable enough to leave home without the fox-repellent-spray, despite that she tells herself that she is better than that. And racially profiling Nick and following him into the ice-cream parlor. Throughout their adventure, before Nick confesses his trauma to her, she just assumes that Nick never tried to do anything else in life, like being a con-man was his automatic life-path as a fox.

The main there of the movie was her sumconcious bias that she tried to pretend she doesn't have, it's why their story is so compelling because Judy didn't just make Nick a better person, Nick also made Judy a better person, because they both saw the other a person worth making themselves better for.

The second movie kinda has flaws with Judy, making her too obsessed with proving themselves, but that's a writing issue, really Bogo had no actual in-universe reason to still treat Judy as a Rookie considering several months have passed while Nick was away at the police academy after Bellwether's arrest.

>>153863833
>Dunno what snakes/reptiles eat. I hope its birds.
Impossible given that the third movie will deal with avians. Zootopia is pretty inoffensive so Disney wouldn't have them eat a type of animal estabilished to be sapient. Even eggs would be a bit too controversial for Disney.

>>153864086
>Judy's racism wasn't "out of nowhere"
it was subtly foreshadowed
Her first reaction to seeing nick was pulling the anti-fox thing. Judy being speciest was not subtle at all. The third act thing feels more like she's repeating what that doctor said to Mayor Lionheart about the savage animals than her honesr opinion though.

>>153864305
Pretend "it was subtly foreshadowed" is green too.

>>153863320
Lol

>>153864086
Well yeah it’s very obvious that both are flawed but I guess I find those fantasy racism allegories kinda silly because they oversimplify it without fail. One more reason why I like the second one more because it was more about Nick being a laidback slacker and Judy being a neurotic perfectionist.

>>153864252
nothing established avians as sapient yet, that's the point.

We got reptiles introduced but had almost no insight to their culture and lifestyle. Not like Judy's with rabbits who are carrot farmers or normal regular city life of most other mammals.

The Z2 after credits scene only establishes that birds will be a thing, not if they are another group of people or a different addition to the worldbuilding.

I honestly think making them another group of people would be pointless and uninspired. Zootopian design language is that they keep the animals anatomically correct, meaning, elephants and horses don't magically grow hands.

Zootopian birds, if sapient, would need to use their beaks and feet as hands, and they could not wear any clothes with sleeves so they could use their wings.

That's not interesting, its been done by a bunch of "talking bird" movies like Rio and Migration.

Mammals and Reptiles cultivating birds (just like how they already cultivate fish and bugs) would be interesting expansion of the universe and its possibilities.

How does Zootopia protects itself from wild hawks? Is spotting an owl in the city of Zootopia the same as spotting a bear in a human city? Have they domesticated any birds, like falcons, are there falconers in the zootopia society? That alone is more original than anything they could write by making them just another ethnicity.

>>153864305
> The third act thing feels more like she's repeating what that doctor said to Mayor Lionheart about the savage animals than her honesr opinion though.

she repetead both what
-What Dr Mange said about predators going savage
-What her Parents said about predators all being dangerous
-What Gideon said about predators still having killer instincts in their Dunna
>I think its pronounced D.N.A
>Don't tell me what I know Travis!

>>153862212
Z2 was meh. It had good moments but that's really all I can really say about it.

The first one, while it didn't exactly have revolutionary writing, definitely took itself a little more seriously (by kids movie standards) when trying to address its central theme. It had some good jokes, didn't need a character blowing raspberries in your face to make your toddlers laugh; The villain twist was better executed; The technical aspect of the movie was incredible at the time.

The sequel just feels like "more product that you know." The writing has less weight, the message felt contrived, the jokes are more juvenile and stereotype the animals (which the first movie was against.) It still looks great but some shots I swear looked ai generated. It's just so thoroughly inoffensive that I can't remember anything solid about it.

If they wanted to go with the growing pains angle with Nick and Judy's partnership the movie should have started months after the first movie, not a week, to really show how much trouble they're having together, and also to make it more believable that they've lost much of their good will with everyone.

I'm trying to think of more things to say but like I said I've kinda forgotten a lot of it already. It's your typical generic disney sequel, and I don't really have any interest in watching more of this franchise.

>>153864546
agree with almost everything you said.

most jarring thing definetly was the "its only Nick's 7th day on the force and already everyone hates his guts"

completely undid the original ending, where every fellow officer laughed at his "greetings card" joke at Bogo.

I think they could've done this a lot better, the other officers didn't need to be so hostile towards Nick and Judy to sell the story.

Better than the first one. Nothing obnoxiously bad like the first one, save for the terrible texting gag and some of the cast.

>>153864404
>nothing established avians as sapient yet, that's the point.

Yeah, i get that in theory that's still up in the air, but really, if birds were in the same category as fish they could just have ripped that bandaid already and not teased them.
I am quite interested in your worldbuilding and utterly wrecked because i know for a fact you're thinking about it way more than Disney. Birds will just be another sapient type of creature with another conspiracy and that will be that.

>How does Zootopia protects itself from wild hawks?

Guns. Lots and lots of guns. A whole circle of anti air guns. In all seriousness, if birds retained their real world intelligence, Zootopia's society wouldn't have a problem getting rid of them. Their tech is somewhat more advanced than our after all.

>>153864475
>What Gideon said about predators still having killer instincts in their Dunna
Gideon shaping Judy's entire worldview agaisnt predators for some nefarious purpose has to be a plot twist evenrually

>>153864842
>I am quite interested in your worldbuilding and utterly wrecked because i know for a fact you're thinking about it way more than Disney.

Aw shucks, well thanks we will see what will come from it. I did made a prediction years before Z2 was announced that they gonna pretend to be a couple with Finnick as their kid, so maybe there is still a chance.

>Guns. Lots and lots of guns. A whole circle of anti air guns.
Lmao, I imagine Nick going "so anyway I started blasting"

I'd imagine they would do it the same way they keep wild birds away from airports and what was mentioned before: falconers

Trained falconers stationed all around the edge of the city, and when a wild eagle or owl comes towards the city you dispatch them like german shepards onto wolves.

>>153864881
i love the fact that Gideon was almost one of the last side-characters created.

The entire story still works without him
Judy's parents already provide enough prejudice for Judy for subconciously inherit, and they themselves could've called the flower Night howler that Judy didn't knew, but his presence just adds 1 more layer, a little extra to the theme of the movie.

>>153862212
Jason Bateman's voice doesn't work for Nick at all

>>153862212
It wasnt as good as the first, it felt mediocre but I guess furfags liked it.

>>153865698
im a "furfag" and I think it was mid too.

Don't appreciate shipbaiting and writers retconning their own worldbuilding. If they decided it better for the message of the story have only mammals, they should've stuck to it. Introducing reptiles makes the entire first movie's conspiracy small-scale and meaningless.

>>153865690
Dude, Nick IS Jason Bateman, they literally molded his mannerism and motion based on recording of Jason's expressions in the voice-recording booth.

You just jealous because he hopes Judy and Nick gonna kiss in Z3
>bum chicka wow wow

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>>153863320
if they don't after this much teasing, they might as well burn the franchise, because the Chinese will probably burn down the theaters and the shangai disneyland.

>>153868547
1, I forgot to quotation marks, I simply wanted to poke fun of journalists that call Z2 that, because of its massive box-office success

2, if you want me to die because of that, you need to seek professional help right now

>>153862212
I like zootopia 2 more, my kid is obssesed with them right now so I have been watching them a lot these past days. I think the adventure is better, the music and the dynamic between the two leads feels like a nice development from the first one.

Anyway, for me the biggest weakness of the first one is that the police and the doctors were too incompetent for the sake of the plot. Zootopia has camaras everywhere but the police had no leads on all the missing animals? The predators were being corrupted by some plant that seems to be fairly common (it being sold in the city and used by rabbits at their farms) and whatever the doctors were doing couldn't detect that? At least the police in the second one were always on top of the pursuit of the fugitives, the only thing I didn't like in a similar tone is that the prison had 0 guards at all during the breakout scene, oh well.

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>>153868916
NIGGA, WHO'RE REPLYING TO?! I HATE DELETED REPLIES, YOU FAGGOT NAMETARD!!!!

The Sunday Funnies thread I was in got archive in the wave of Glitch threads and other shit. All I have left in this boring ass board is either this or another Sharkfag thread. I'm already suffering AC issues and now I complaining ABOUT STRIKETHROUGH POSTS IN THIS MENTAL HOUSE!!!

>>153869831
A-anon, why are you so angry?

>>153862212
It was a major step down in terms of quality.
Nick who is supposed to be this streetwise predator somehow knows next to nothing about the city now
This is 6 months to a year after the events of the first film or rather, since the capture and arrest of Bellweather.
This is important because in all the time that Nick was at the Police Academy to become a cop himself, Judy is still seen as the rookie cop.
I have to assume that in that time while he was the academy, she had been partnered up with someone else and yet she's treated and acting like it's her first day on the force. Like we're just a week later and Nick is now a cop with her so they both have this attitude to prove themselves.
Judy would have already done that for a while by now.
Them having their moment where they back and forth blurt out their issues is so cringe, it's peak millennial writing that characters just tell you how they feel and it comes off as they wanted this to be a therapy session.
Way, WAY, waaaaaaay too many animal puns. The first film had a few, this felt like you couldn't go five minutes without one. And they were so incredibly predictable.
The world building is actually really weird.
Sure Reptiles were kicked out of Zootopia, somehow they could just do this.
Somehow in the entire construction of the giant sciency thermal control walls no one knew it was the smart snake lady who made them
This is supposedly like 30-50 years ago at most because we're just dealing with grand children, not great, great, great, great, great grandchildren to explain why no one knows this. So there would definitely be people around who would have known this.
No explanation for where the snakes went, or how the entire world is structured, like outside of Zootopis is just big ass pipes, but is that just the country side, is there continents and other countries.
Or is Zootopia just like... the world with small rural farming towns outside of the walls.

>>153862484
One of the issues of the second movie, which they amped with the whole bird thing at the end, is that now the zootopia movies have to revolve around introducing some new sort of animal that will bring some shattering reveal with them and will entirely depend on whether the new animal characters are interesting or not. The worst part of zootopia 2 is the snake, nobody cares about the snake. Its not anthro so furries dont care, its either Judy or Nick so shippers dont care, its not a funny or lol so random character so toddlers dont care. People watch zootopia for Nick and Judy and the number 1 complaint about the sequel is that the Nick/Judy thing got sidelined for a plot nobody cared about, and now they have signaled that they are going to do it again. Its so dumb.

>>153871040
>Its not anthro so furries dont care
Furries are not so limited in their tastes, anon.

>>153864404
This is all turning into Albedo. There is going to be a reveal they are uplifts

>>153862212
This entire franchise and the existence of Judy is one big psyop to turn an entire generation into furries

>>153862212
It was so shit and I cant believe people actually praise it.

>that therapy joke that completely undid the lesson of the first movie

>>153862212
It is a left wing movie as opposed to the first liberal movie

The conflict is one sided with reptiles being all perfectly good and the cats being all evil, instead of both groups having good, bad, and in-between characters
It validated stereotypes of the perceived enemy group instead of denouncing all stereotypes

Not to mention the world building is garbage. One reptile is framed for murdering another reptile and all reptiles are kicked out and forgotten?

Straight to dvd garbage that somehow ended on the big screen

>>153874127
1.8 billion.

>>153874094
It was all about allegories instead of being about animals, Goat had paint by numbers story, but its animal world was excellent

>>153874127
What are you even talking about

>>153875479
Ahh, a zoomer.

>>153862212
I've watched it 3 times now within a month. I don't care for it.

Like, Pawbert repeating Nick's line about "It's not worth dying for." Was nice. But I didn't notice he did the same thing mirroring Judy until my second watch. Because I didn't see Judy as trying to fit in a prove herself, because in my mind, that was resolved in the first movie. Plus, Bogo took her aside at the very beginning telling her she's great.

On my third watch, I realized it was trying to be a "partner" movie. The Zbros, the hogs, the rams, the honeymoon lodge goats, Mr.Big and his daughter were also partners in crime and fashion.
There were duos everywhere.

Except for the Beaver. Maplesticks felt like an author's self insert. Forcing moments of introspection. Maybe they were supposed to be like X-files "Mulder and Fox" Fox Mulder. Like they were a better team than Nick and Judy. While they kinda teased Judy and Pawbert as a duo, except Judy did all the thinking and Pawbert just drove the bike...which would sting because Nick doesn't get to drive until the end.

It's like, I see what they were going for. But I don't think they did it well enough.

>>153876522
Judy finding another partner besides Nick is probably ruined by the fact that she looks like a third wheel with Gary and Pawbert.

I see now, Gary was meant to be filling Judy with confidence. "We shall succeed".
But Judy breaks down saying Nick was the only one that believed in her. Except we never see that, he spent the whole movie trying to talk her out of stuff, and Gary doesn't get any credit.

>It's frustrating.