People make fun of him for the new world order stuff but was any of his theology actually wrong?
>>153887012He rarely discusses it, probably because he's an American.
>>153887012absolute fucking unitis thos natty?
>>153887012>was any of his theology actually wrong?Funny that doesn't really sound like a /co/ discussion Just guessing but you've never had sex either have you
>>153887012Here OP. I assume you made this thread because you were looking for this image, and not because you actually care about your dumb question.Enjoy.
>>153887673How is discussing the motivations the artist had when making a comic not /co/?
>>153887673I'm reasonably versed in Theology and would be interested in discussing this COMIC creator's written content and motivation.
>>153887750ty
>>153887833>Scientists say they don't believe in demons.>Which is EXACTLY what someone controlled by demons would say.Jack Chick everybody.
>>153887012Theology is spot-on. Everything in every Chick tract is real and actually happened.
>>153887891np
It's a little heavy handed, but not theologically unsound.
>>153887872>I'm reasonably versed in Theology and would be interested in discussing this COMIC creator's written content and motivation.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0YIJQ1jgEIFeel free to post your own thoughts
>>153887929>Scientists say they don't believe in demons.>Which is EXACTLY what someone controlled by demons would say.But unironically. Flatland thought experiments even hint at higher dimensions wherein spiritual beings could carry out actions and influence us exactly as described in the bible. Mainstream science avoiding that notion is sus.
>>153887998I'm already ITT and talking about stuff. What do you want from me?
>>153888028Do we have any evidence of these dimensions or these demons? Are they the same ones mentioned in the bible or just demons in general?
he could draw a good peter
>>153888038>What do you want from me?When that post was made there was no talking about stuff. You asked the question - "People make fun of him for the new world order stuff but was any of his theology actually wrong?"So that question implied there's reason to believe his theology is actually solid. But you didn't really post anything to back your opinion up. Don't just ask a question with implication attached, tell us if you believe in his theology. Post some examples or something. It's just lazy otherwise.
>>153888093I'm not OP.
>>153888100The same applies to you then, start posting stuff about the COMIC creator's content and motivation. You say you're interested in discussing it and well-versed in the subject, so what do you have to say about it?
He straight up rejects a lot of Catholic theology (mocking the eucharist as the death cookie, etc.), so from a Catholic perspective I'm sure he gets a lot wrong.
>>153888072>Do we have evidenceWell a few things should be explored to that end, which is hard to do when you've already mentally outlawed any explanations based on a Biblical worldview.Dark energy for example, suggests gravitational interference from planes beyond our own. Quantum mechanics suggest consciousness interacts with the physical structure and laws of our universe, hinting at a higher nature of the universe entwined with consciousness itself. Attestation to the power and functionality of prayer, while not repeatable, is widespread and can't be overlooked entirely in honest discussion on its validity.These things may not be direct physical evidence like a demon's wing physically preserved for study, but they support the concepts at play.
>>153888119I am talking, anon. Relax.>>153888179>>153888028
>>153888179You got any sources for any of that? I see "suggests" and "non-repeatable" which doesn't seem like evidence to me, but I don't know if someone else has anything more.Also, if someone could prove the existence of any supernatural phenomenon, they would received every scientific, religious, and national prize on the planet.
>>153888212>You got any sources for any of that?How would you even get a study published and peer reviewed when spirituality is considered unscientific from the get-go?
>>153888187You're not really talking about the topic itself tbqh. You're talking about demons existing or not, rather than whether Jack's theology matches established theology.
>>153888237So no then.
>>153888212>Also, if someone could prove the existence of any supernatural phenomenon, they would received every scientific, religious, and national prize on the planet.Wouldn't a God who only wants the people who choose to believe in Him to believe in Him make something like irrefutable proof impossible, so that we don't let just any random douchebag who couldn't refute the proof into His temple to shit things up?
>>153888237>How would you even get a study published and peer reviewed when spirituality is considered unscientific from the get-go?Brother, if you can perform an independent study proving (or even legitimately suggesting) the existence of demons, you would get attention from it and people could replicate it. It doesn't matter if it couldn't get published in Nature, people would eat it up.The problem is it's bullshit, so that's the real reason it hasn't been demonstrated in any measurable way.
He was blessed because he loved God's chosen people.
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>>153888289You can't demonstrate that you can rotate an apple in your mind's eye in any meaningful way. That doesn't mean you can't do it. You want physical evidence for something outside of 3D space, here within 3D space and are acting surprised when that's not possible. That doesn't mean it proves there is no outside of 3D space or entities in that area. I couldn't show a cube to a person in flatland. Doesn't mean cubes are impossible.
>>153888272>God wants everyone to believe in him and go to heaven because he loves you.>But if you don't believe in him, you'll burn in Hell forever.>And no, he will not give you definitive proof. You just have to believe (and hope you were born in a society that believes in him and also that your family are believers.)Doesn't seem like a system that a divine, omnipotent, all-loving being would come up with.
>>153888318
>>153888291>>153888318This is called dispensationalism and is common in Evangelical Fundamentalist Baptists. Not a lot of other denominations hold to this and most agree that "Israel" now refers to the Christian Church.
>>153888343You can choose to believe in Him even if your family and society does not. You should look into what "faith" means and why it is important.
>>153888334The apple analogy doesn’t work. I can’t directly show you my mental image, but mental rotation still has measurable effects. People can perform rotation tasks, reaction times change depending on angle, and different people report different capacities and so on. So even those private experiences can be studied indirectly.Same with your Flatland analogy. A Flatlander couldn’t see a whole cube, but if a cube interacted with Flatland, it would still leave observable 2D cross-sections. So if higher-dimensional demons interact with our world, they should leave some kind of observable 3D effect. You could study that.If your claim is only "demons aren’t technically logically impossible," fine. But that’s much weaker than "demons exist" or "Jack Chick’s demonology is correct." Logical possibility isn’t the same as actual evidence.
>>153888028>But unironicallyRobot reply
>>153888334So Russell's teapot. Got it.
>>153888397>So if higher-dimensional demons interact with our world, they should leave some kind of observable 3D effect.They should look vague and incomprehensible, with shapes we might be able to partially identify, but cannot fully comprehend.Anon, have you looked into what "biblically accurate angels" look like?
>>153888382It's not important. Faith just means believing in something without good reason. If it was that easy to believe in Christianity (because let's face it, that's the only religion we're talking about here,) then sending missions out to the world to convert 3rd world uncontacted masses wouldn't have been necessary.And what about Non-Christian societies where apostasy results in death? Why hasn't God done anything about that?
>>153887012>was any of his theology actually wrong?Look, no matter how you slice it, the idea that cult leader getting executed in a Roman backwater was somehow a demi-god's self-sacrifice for all of humanity is pretty whack, regardless how much effort people put into trying to make it seem perfectly reasonable or how many people they manage to convince. It kind of doesn't matter if his theology was wrong or right because the bible is a contradictory mess, the mainstream interpretations are only mainstream because of tradition, the critical scholars have pointed out the authors must have been writing about their own time period with no thoughts about readers in the far future trying to interpret it, most of it does not align with modern understanding of the world and simply have to cook the books here to make this shit seem like it's still relevant and reasonable. Literally anyone who thinks a bunch of first century literature that build on even older texts is still referring to anything going on now or the future might need to reconsider their beliefs.
>>153888425>what "biblically accurate angels" look like?Like yo' momma.
>>153888397>If your claim is only "demons aren’t technically logically impossible," fine.Well that is the first step to getting to "demons exist" and the only step needed to refute people like this, which was the topic at hand.>>153887833
>>153888397To be fair, I assume you're talking about the qualia of mental rotation more so than mental rotation itself. That still doesn’t get you to demons though. Qualia are private, but they’re also directly given to the subject experiencing them. I don’t infer that I’m in pain from a theory. I feel pain.Demons are different. They’re supposed to be some external agents affecting the world. If they interact with people, institutions, bodies, or behavior, then there should be some publicly accessible effect to discuss. If there’s no detectable effect, then you’ve moved from "demons exist and act in the world" to "there may be undetectable entities somewhere," which is something much weaker, and not really Chick’s claim.>>153888409Basically.
>>153888431>Why hasn't God done anything about that?Because His rationale and understanding if life and death are greater than yours. What you take to be the ultimate evil (death) is nothing to Him, and He has promised to reverse it all in the end when it comes time for us to be judged.
>>153888073>he could drawhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Carter_(artist)He avoided crediting Carter and let people believe he drew those tracts
>>153888409No. See here.>>153888425Disproving the outright claim that demons don't exist was my aim. I did so. Now that that is done, I would say science doesn't have a claim not to investigate it because it can no longer be called impossible.
>>153888473Do you like hotdogs?
>>153888473Then why bother with this life if life is finite and ultimately just a test for the afterlife? Worse yet, why does 80-100 years of life justify eternal torment for a lack of faith in God-designed un-provable belief that some societies propagate while other societies shun?
>>153888494Excuse me, I meant to link this post>>153888447
>>153888447It's logically possible that I'm invisible in your room right now, pissing invisible piss on you. It's logically possible there's an invisible dragon in your garage. Not everything that is logically possible is worth entertaining seriously, especially if it has no tangible effect on us to our knowledge.
>>153888494How did you disprove demons don't exist?
>>153888473>He's ineffableThe perfect fallback excuse when something smells like horseshit, just like "He planted those bones in the earth to test our faith"
>>153888494No, that's a Russell's teapot. You even expand on it in this very reply. Classic Russell's teapot, friend-o.
>>153888510You should pray on these questions and ask a priest. You know they study and grapple with these questions for years, right?
>>153888521*You can't feel or detect the piss, it's interdimensional in a way you can't feel or see.So how could I disprove to you that demons exist?You can’t disprove it. That’s exactly why "you can’t disprove demons" is a bad argument. I can make infinitely many undetectable claims you can’t disprove. The question is not "can you disprove it?" The question is "what reason is there to believe it?"
>>153888549You could just say "I don't know." It doesn't make you seem stupid, it makes you seem honest.And the last person I would want to ask these questions to is someone who's livelihood depends on people believing their beliefs. Seems like a conflict of interest.
>>153887012They can’t because Jack Chick was right about fucking everything.
>>153888581such as?
>>153888581Pretty sure D&D never killed anyone.
>>153888542Actually, claiming demons absolutely, positively, do not exist is an unfalsifiable positive claim if demons operate or exist outside of detectability (i.e. 3D space). The Russell's Teapot extends from this assertion, not its refutation.
>>153888318Didn't Britain create the state of Israel right after WWII and right before losing much of their empire? Though considering the colonies were mostly just a money pit by the end maybe that was God's favor.
>>153888549You should be able to answer the question if you believe the underlying premise or stop telling others they must follow it, fullstop"When you believe in things you don't understand, you suffer" 1:12 Morris
>>153888494A fucking Tesla car can detect demons from cemeteries.
>>153888609>claiming demons absolutely, positively, do not existNobody is claiming that. They are claiming if nothing can be known about them, why should we care?
>>153888521>especially if it has no tangible effect on us to our knowledge.>Entire cultures spanning the globe, each with attestations of the negative effects these things have on us and our lives.You:>I'm sure that's nothing.
>>153888561>how could I disprove to you that demons exist?You can't prove a negative which means the onus is on you to prove the inverse that demons exist, and pointing to effects with many possible causes isn't the way you do this obviously.
>>153888636>Nobody is claiming that.That was the topic at hand here.>>153887833
>>153888540And in his own life on the earth, he slept on stones and was executed for doing nothing wrong. And by the way, he outright said that he does assign angels to be with people so these angels can unleash their hatred on the wicked to him. So don’t bother complaining, baby.
>>153888627It's usually their drivers.
>>153888645Cross-cultural attestation proves that humans across cultures report and interpret certain experiences as spirits, demons, curses, possession, etc. It doesn’t prove the entities are real.Cultures across the globe also have creation myths, ancestor spirits, omens, astrology, witchcraft, reincarnation, and contradictory gods. We don’t treat all of those as true just because they’re widespread.So the question is still the same: what evidence distinguishes "demons are real and causing effects" from "humans commonly explain fear, illness, misfortune, and altered mental states using supernatural categories?"Also, which culture is right about the demons and how would you prove it?
>>153888636>They are claiming if nothing can be known about them, why should we care?No, they are claiming "If they can't be brought under the thumb of the scientific method, why should we care?"Which is a big difference when we've established the existence of things that can't be scrutinized scientifically like an individual's internal thoughts and ideas.
>>153887929Yes, idiot.
>>153887012>but was any of his theology actually wrong?He was largely preaching shit out of the Scofield bible which just completely made up the rapture, the end times, and all the other doomsday shit that plagues modern religion today.
>>153887012>>153888156>He straight up rejects a lot of Catholic theology (mocking the eucharist as the death cookie, etc.), so from a Catholic perspective I'm sure he gets a lot wrong.this, he gets so much wrong even by the extremely low standards of American Protestantism that it makes Mormonism almost look reasonable
>>153888366Michael is literally in Israel right now, doing strange actions that makes Muslims run away.
>>153888684>"If they can't be brought under the thumb of the scientific method, why should we care?"This is the crux of the matter right here. The people ITT do understand faith, and they do have it, but they have faith that the scientific method is an infallible means by which mankind can "know" things if it is applied the right way. They have faith that, at some point in the future, the scientific method can be applied rigorously enough that mankind can know everything and perfectly understand the world. This faith demands that anything that is "unscientific" or resistant to the scientific method be immediately cast out as anathema to their faith. What they don't understand is that the scientific method is not the only means by which we know things. Forensic thinking, for example, focused on inferences and rationale, does not follow the scientific method, but is still sufficient for proving things beyond a shadow of a doubt. You will never win with people like this because they are not playing with a full deck.
>>153888684Private doesn’t mean evidenceless. Thoughts are directly experienced by the subject and indirectly evidenced through behavior, speech, memory, reports, etc. And almost all people report them in similar ways.Demons are external-agent claims. If they act in the shared world, ask for the effects. If they don’t, then they’re not Chick-style demons anymore. They’d be undetectable metaphysical furniture that has no meaning to us.
>>153888717If you think the rapture is made up, you are delusional.
>>153888702So how do you tell the difference between "I literally don't believe in demons and have seen no evidence to suggest they exist" versus "I'm controlling this human puppet to hide my demonic existence from the world?"
>>153888521>It's logically possible that I'm invisible in your room right now, pissing invisible piss on youJust try it motherfucker I will end you
>>153888779Look at the deeds of said human. The man possessed by legion was living in cemeteries.
>>153888761>Private doesn’t mean evidenceless.Well then, think of higher beings as occupying a "private" dimension if it helps you.
>>153888763If the rapture is real, it hasn't happened yet. Why should I believe in something that hasn't happened?Should I have believed in Y2K too?
>>153888797This whole earth is more private than heaven and hell. That’s why it’s a struggle for them to interact with it.
>>153888779When both are equally useful to the demonic entities, you could functionally just assume they're all demons. Like if someone just keeps killing people whether out of stupidity or out of malice, at a certain point, it really doesn't matter and you gotta take em out.
>>153888795Which human? I don't know who you're referencing.
>>153888813The same reason why Moses thought Jesus would come back in Exodus.
>>153888830The ones arguing against Jesus and the existence of demons.
>>153888828Sounds like a witch hunt to me. "This woman has been found guilty of sleeping with the devil. If she admits it, she's a witch. If she denies it, she's also a witch. Best get to burning."
>>153888851Well, when the solution for both ignorance and demonic possession is prayer and Bible study, I don't think you have much to worry about.
>>153888763The Rapture is a concept created wholecloth by Scofield retarded belief that the Bible was a secret puzzle book dotted with obtuse multi-layered meaning to every passage that, when decoded by people 2000 years later, would allow them to learn of God's secret plan to obliterate humanity.Even biblical scholars who have studied the bible for their entire lives think it's retarded bullshit.
>>153888834That reason being? I don't recall a passage in Exodus suggesting the appearance of a messiah.
>>153888879Kek>You have been accused of demonic possession, I sentence you to reading 1st Corinthians and praying>NNOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!That might actually be the proof lmao
>>153888879Good to see your beliefs are unfalsifiable so long as you believe that any attempts to question them are malicious in nature.Damn, I gotta apply that to some of my beliefs.
>>153887012What theology?Jack Chick didn't believe in theology, like literally would think it's an ungodly pursuit, Jack Chick believed whatever his pastor told him to believe in.
>>153888890> would allow them to learn of God's secret plan to obliterate humanity.That’s wrong.God’s plan to obliterate humanity was never a secret.
>>153888437SHUT UP!! FUCK ALL ATHEISTS!!
>>153888073>Hey, this reminds me of the time I was worshiped as a false idol
>>153888916That reply is unrelated to what you're replying to.
>>153888938The Rapture and the End-times are not the same thing and if you think they are, you are more ignorant than Jack Chick was.
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>>153887012Pretty sure the new world order stuff was his theology.
>>153888973There was an early season episode about that.
>>153888985Then what does it mean for you? Noah’s flood without Noah’s Ark?
>>153888971I don't swing that way, fag.And either way, isn't homosex illegal in your religion?
>>153888982I disagree. His claim is that the only way to determine whether someone is demonically possessed or legitimately has never seen evidence of demonic activity is to pray and read the Bible, suggesting that the only means to truth is through his own beliefs.I think that this neither answers the question about how to tell the difference between the two situations (only explaining that one should pray and read the Bible. He references no passage or prayer used to determine the difference,) but sneaks out of giving an actual answer by suggesting that a lack of determination is really a lack of Christian knowledge and belief.So I stand by my response.
>>153887012Is this what Space Marines are really like?
>>153889047Good luck getting fucked by demons in hell.
>>153889047>suggesting that the only means to truth is through his own beliefs.Anon, if the bible is the Word of God, then that would be the case and it wouldn't be illogical. You need to entertain that or you're not arguing in the same ballpark.
>>153889063God willing.
>>153889078>If the Bible is the word of God.If. Show me evidence it is.
>>153889090You do realize female angels exist and are the original red chicks, right?
>>153889090>>153889112You both realize you can just date both right?
>>153889112They are? Could you reference where in the Bible it says that?
>>153889103Shroud of Turin.
>>153887012Considering there were a bunch of pedophiles in his church and his answer was that they were absolved when he prayed. Yes. His theology is garbage.
>>153889103If you apply its wisdom, your life and world invariably gets better. This scales. That's evidence.
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>>153889145Zechariah 5:9 9 Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven.
>>153889150That Shroud that dates back to 1354, displayed during a time that every cathedral and their mom had some sort of Holy Relic that venerators would travel (and pay) to see? And how does the Shroud of Turin prove the existence of the Bible as being the true word of God?
>>153889144No. That’s not how it works. There is the cup of demons and the cup of God. The angels are in the cup of god.
>>153889171That's not evidence. That's conjecture at best and propaganda at worst.
>>153889180How hasn’t your angel given up on your unrepentant ass?
>>153889175Doesn't say they have red skin, look sexy or anything like that. Just says they were women and had stork wings.They could also look like this.
>>153888985Chick and his flavor of evangelists are a special kind of retarded. They take so much literally (old testament bs like Noah's arc and the exodus) that makes the fucking catholic church look progressive in comparison. They're also incredibly obsessed with jesus. While most of them ignore basic teachings of his. Or the new testament in general.Also they will hit you with apocrypha bullshit like lillith. And believe in witches and magic. Made up prophecies. It's a fucking mockery of Christianity.
>>153887012>but was any of his theology actually wrong?According to which denomination?
>>153889197Do you have any evidence suggesting we all have angels watching us?I hope yours doesn't see you on this cesspool of a website.
>>153889144Only in heaven.In hell you're forced to date ugly demons who embody your least-liked fetish.
>>153889244Where do you think the red skin even comes from? Lucifer is called the great red dragon for a reason and he was mega sexy.
>>153889187>that's not how it worksThat's exactly how it works buddy, an angel tomboy gf or demon gyaru gf because my God is an awesome God.
>>153889246Chick was a true man of god and exposes the imposters just by being offended by him. The flood is real, the ark was made, and it all had to happen because the angels literally ruined the world with their dicks.
>>153889338Source?>>153889340So angels are dragons?
>>153888671>My proof is an apostle's second hand account of Jesus No fucker, quoting the magic Jew is not your proof
>>153889360Where do you think demons originated from?
>>153889376>Source?3 years ago my heart stopped and I met Jesus.He told me that was how it worked.Are you gonna call Jesus a liar?
>>153889390According to >>153888028, other dimensions.
>>153889390From the LORD, like all things :3
>>153889404I could. They really allow all that fuckin' in Heaven and Hell? Color me intrigued. Tell me more dead man.
>>153889368>The flood is real, the ark was madeAnd your family keeps the tradition alive by marrying their cousins. As Noah's grandkids would have done.
>>153889423The only other thing he told me was that every piece of /co/ media for at least the next 10 years was going to suck ass, but you don't need Jesus to know that.
>>153889447Now THAT, I believe. At least we have evidence for that.
>>153889447Well we only got 9 ye>At leastFuuuuuck
>>153889192What would be sufficient evidence of the Word of God to you? Let me guess, it would have to prove your version of God and not be something you have to submit yourself to?
>>153889376> So angels are dragons?Yeah. The weird thing is that God’s name looks like a dragon and person just by how the letters are arranged. And for some reason, 137 makes the name of god and pretty much represents the holy trinity.You know that saying, the future is female? The past is the father, who is in throne of ages, Jesus is the present, and the Holy Spirit is the future (the bride of Christ and the holy spirit only speak at the very end of the Bible). Notice that our own sound system begins with a deep masculine voice, a tenor range in the middle that a male usually has, and the high notes are often restrained for female singers. Our world is much odder than it looks when you inspect its detail and functions appropriately.
>>153889410They were fallen angels.
>>153889478No. Just any evidence to prove the existence of anything supernatural. I don't believe in any God so I have no dog in this race. But the same reason I reject notion of the Christian God is the same reason I reject the notion of the Islamic God, the Egyptian Pantheon, Hinduism, the Native American legends, and anything else that doesn't have a shred of evidence to suggest it's accuracy.I make no claims. I only request that someone provide evidence to prove theirs before I consider it's legitimacy.Otherwise, why should I believe Christianity over, say, Hinduism? Or Jainism?
>>153889404NTA. I have to ask, are you telling the truth?
>>153888759>faith that the scientific method is an infallible means by which mankind can "know" thingsRetard
>>153889507Do they all need to be fallen angels for you to make sense of things?
>>153889368You are nothing but a bunch of doomsday cultists larping as christians. You just gamble for some rapture to save you. So you don't have to take any responsibility for being the most narrowminded, spiteful, horrible human beings.
>>153888834>why Moses thought JesusScripture now
>>153889621Yes, because it means that the undead giant spirits also became demons because of the nature of their fathers.
>>153889478>and not be something you have to submit yourself toI think your definition of "proof" is "submission"
>>153887012He is a Baptist so his theology is inherently wrong.
>>153889150>Shroud of Turin.How does it prove the Bible
>>153889607>everyone's retarded if I work hard enough to not understand them>I'm a genius
>>153889272I'm pretty sure if Hell actually exists, you'd go there for visiting 4chan of all places. Shit is like a strip bar.
>>153889197Ooh you got mad because you couldn't answer a simple question
>>153889729That was my point.
>>153889738I know. I was agreeing with you, dumbass.
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>>153889774it ok we all got brain problems in this thread!
>>153889647Deuteronomy 18:1515 The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;
>>153887012Chick was wrong about everything just like every other nutjob extremist holy roller faggot. Fuck jesus freaks like jack chick
>>153889721No one's working, a literal comic book explains how science isn't faith because the two things serve DIFFERENT PURPOSES Don't get angry that I'm using the same medium to explain this to you
>>153889514>Just any evidence to prove the existence of anything supernatural.The evidence is all around you, in that everything came from nothing, that we can think, the truths found in the bible, or even the infinite complexity of our universe. That you fail to see the wonder in these things or their evidence towards the Creator suggests a personal failing. I see how it is evidence, so do billions of others.
>>153889786Didn't get the part where that was unequivocally Yeshua ben-Yusuf
>>153889786>Exodus!>Quotes DeuteronomyCome on now.
>>153889712Because it fits into the descriptions it has about Jesus’ death completely accurately.>>153889732There is no such thing as a simple question with a man as subversive and unwilling as you. No miracle you could be shown would change your faith. Just as Jesus didn’t perform miracles for his town because their unbelief was too strong.
>>153889690That would be baked in, yeah. I'm not the highest thing in the universe, and hierarchical, it would only be right to submit to what is. Proof would necessitate submission.
>>153889802>My emotional response is factWhen did you decide you were a woman
>>153889812Exodus had the lamb of god stuff to serve as the sacrifice for sin.
>>153889799>>153889607>Neckbeards don't carry their hecking love of science to religious levelsHahahahahaha yeah, right. Science is a religion.
>>153889272She reports on me all of the time.You don’t believe in God’s mouth. You have no sense of reality.
>>153889802Here comes the watchmaker argument.>The universe is complex and beautiful, therefore God.No, you still haven't proven the existence of God, and certainly not that the religion you believe is the accurate word of that God.And how do we know everything came from nothing? And what truths found in the Bible? In the several dozen posts we've made in this colossal waste of my time, we haven't established one single objective truth in the Bible, or any holy text for that matter.
>>153889829>T. Locked out of a religious victoryThis is what happens when you don't build holy sites early enough. You're missing some critical bonuses that are going to cost you the game.
>>153889834Quote it.
>>153889862What is objective truth to you?
>>153889862>what truths found in the Bible?Have you even read it? There's a lot.
>>153889860Show me evidence for God's mouth. Also, your angel is a she? Is she hot?
>>153889820>The shroud matched the description everyone's known for centuries No shit Sherlock, forgeries are like that"authentic" is cuteCarbon dating is another thingThis is the part where you claim that's a liberal hoax
>>153889862Have you seen this?
>>153889862>In the several dozen posts we've made in this colossal waste of my time, we haven't established one single objective truth in the Bible, or any holy text for that matter.>Spoonfeed me, I refuse to read!Why should anyone argue with someone taking such a firm stance against something he's never even glanced at? Only a retard would do that.
>>153889880Physical evidence would be a good start. Sources. But the best would be God or Jesus revealing themselves in person, on camera, and performing miracles that couldn't be explained by any physical model.That would certainly help.
>>153889821>That would be baked in, yeahHow
>>153889912The next sentence, anon, that's how.
>>153889853>hecking love of scienceEven Russell is saying "both of these things are necessary just not for the same purpose" as directly as possible and you're too fucking retarded to read it
>>153889888Such as?>>153889900Hebrew is read from right to left dumbass.
>>153889910God said he was the only one to truly know the future and challenged other gods based on that. The whole bible is his mouth proven to the test by all of its prophecies coming to pass.
>>153889910>physical evidence >objectiveNow that's funny!
>>153889907Because I'm not the one making the claim. If you want to tell me your religion is correct, YOU have to provide the evidence.
>>153889930And to the God of the Hebrews, past and future are the same.
>>153889930>such as?women be different from men!
>>153887012What even was his theology? Just general boomer evangelicalism? Based on stuff like >>153888073 and >>153888318 I would kinda assume so, in which case there's quite a bit wrong with his theology, even from a Protestant perspective. He also just gets basic facts flat-out wrong, like >>153888354, I have no idea where the fuck he's getting "Magog used to refer to Russia" from, the only thing I found looking it up was that people in the middle ages would sometimes identify barbarians as "Magog", including the Rus', but also steppe nomads of various flavors
>>153889934And which prophecies have come to pass?And don't use the Bible as evidence for itself. What claims has the Bible made that are historically accurate from a secular perspective?
>>153889894> Also, your angel is a she? Is she hot?Yes and I weirdly know what her hair style is.
>>153889853>REDDIT REDDIT REDDIT REDDITnot actually a magical incantation to protect you
>>153889934There are other gods?I thought you people only believe there's one.
>>153889960Oh you tease! Come on, spill it. What does your guardian fuckbuddy look like?
>>153889930The Bible records the existence of Nineveh, the Bible mentions the Hittite people, the Bible describes the destruction of Jerusalem and the Babylonian exile, the Bible refers to rulers such as Nebuchadnezzar II and Cyrus the Great, the Bible records Persian imperial policies like the return of exiles under Cyrus, the Bible describes the use of coins and taxation systems in the Roman period, the Bible records that Jesus of Nazareth lived in first‑century Judea, the Bible states that crucifixion was used by the Romans, the Bible describes plants, animals, and agricultural practices of the ancient Levant (olive trees, vineyards, sheep herding), the Bible records that the Dead Sea exists and is hypersaline, the Bible notes that the Mediterranean Sea borders Israel, the Bible records eclipses and astronomical events in a few passages that can sometimes be correlated with astronomical calculations, the Bible reports Roman administrative units and officials (governors, centurions), the Bible mentions inscriptions, monuments, and building projects in ancient Near Eastern cultures that have archaeological counterparts.>inb4 that's not the exact objective truth I wanted to see, so I am moving the goalpost!
>>153889959> And don't use the Bible as evidence for itself. >No. the man who makes claims cannot show off what he does to prove them.Why does Jesus keep you alive? Do you serve the purpose of making everyone mad?
>>153889940>YOU have to provide the evidence.What's the point if you're not going to read it and just insist it's not true? Lmao, you're hopeless.
>>153889871>I can't contradict you, better shift the conversation"Wonder" is not proof of the divine no matter how much you need to believe it for your own reasons
>>153889965The other gods are fallen angels that God forsaken because they were evil.
>>153888291Uhh...all those countries were dog shit BEFORE Israel, though?
>>153889959>And which prophecies have come to pass?The book of Daniel prophesied the fall of Babylon, the rise of Alexander the great, the collapse of Macedon, and the rise of Rome.
>>153889965Actually we have been pretty consistent on this one.
>>153889976All these references are references to historical information that was readily available to the scholars and writers who wrote the Bible. That would be like me claiming that Spider Man exists because the comics mention New York, Barack Obama, and Adolf Hitler. These are all items that people of the time of the writing of the New Testament would be familiar with. But what did the Bible accurately predict?
>>153889946>I'll pretend this is the same thing as RTL/LTR!I only got as far as high school algebra and trig and even I can see this is bullshit. Homeschooled, were you?
>>153889953>I have no idea where the fuck he's getting "Magog used to refer to Russia"That's John Birch society cold war fearmongering baby.
>>153889925>I'm not the highest thing in the universeWhat an odd thing to believe in an argument about the divine >it would only be right to submit to what isThat's a feeling not a QED
>>153890006>"A male goat defeats a Ram">"The Ram's horn will divide into four smaller horns."It's easy to claim historical accuracy if you tie specious and mysterious lines to historical items centuries later.
>>153889971Whitish-greyish hair. Curly bob cut. No bangs. Hair over the left eye.
>>153889934>and challenged other gods based on thatI missed the issue where he challenged other gods, are you confusing Rob Liefeld comics with holy scripture
>>153890067Age? Cup size? What's she into? You think she'd be in to a sinner like me?
>>153890032Do you have any idea how significant 137 is?
>>153889996>The other gods are fallen angels that God forsaken because they were evil.1. Then they aren't gods2. Funny no one mentions the scriptural basis of this
>>153890065That's extremely funny when the main argument against the Book of Daniel is that its predictions are so accurate that thsy must have been written after the fact. Scoffers really want to have it both ways.
>>153890097I know that 1337 was significant in 2003.
>>153890057>Submitting to the greatest thing in the universe is not objectively the right thing to do. You just look retarded, desu.
>>153889996Says who?And they can't be any more evil than the guy who flooded the entire planet, drowning everyone outside of one family, as well as doing the same for every land animal.All because of a tantrum. Because angels he allegedly created started interbreeding with the humans. Even though there was no logical reason for them to have that ability in the first place.
>>153890112Which prediction?
>>153890130Well why wouldn't they be able to?
>>153890097>Cart before the horse Well at least you're consistent about being unable to distinguish cause from effect
>>153890023Blah blah blah, you said there was no objective truth. I proved you wrong. I don't care where your goalposts move next because I already scored. You lost.
>>153890092Angels don’t age.Don’t know. Usually modest and boyish outfit-wise.Don’t know.Only if I went to hell.
>>153890129>Submitting to the greatest thing in the universeWell sure if I didn't have to read a set of scriptures to believe it existed
ITT:>If I just keep sealioning, I can make the Christians leave the board!That's not going to work, anons, and you're gonna have to explain it to God one day.
>>153890130> Even though there was no logical reason for them to have that ability in the first place.Jesus is the king of angels and he has an entire song about him $&&@ing a woman, the church.
>>153890130>All because of a tantrumNot to be confused with the tantrum about being omniscient yet losing a bet with "the adversary" over what Job would do
>>153890158What objective truth did the Bible PREDICT, not REFERENCE.
>>153890172>I would rather my misalignment with the universal hierarchy amount to ontological evil than read a book. >You can't make me do it! >I'll never fucking reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeead!!!Sadly, this is what it boils down to for most of the planet.
>>153890201Technically, God won that bet, it was his devoted follower and his wives, children, and slaves who lost.
>>153890201The genre of Job is speculative parable, anon. Do you think the writer actually witnessed God and the devil make a bet?
>>153890220Show me this universal hierarchy.
>>153890249> Do you think the writer actually witnessed God and the devil make a bet?God did
>>153890156Why would they need to?Same with when humanity was allegedly first created and your god decided to leave poison in the garden where his retarded kids were playing. And then blamed the kids, and their descendants for eating that poison.Thank fuck it's all jewish fairy tales. Because your god sounds like a complete arsehole.
>>153890249Every jot and tittle.
>>153890205Why don't you read it and find out, Mr. Big Brain? Afraid to engage with the material, just want to pretend you know everything in it?>B-B-But you don't understand. I was able to get through school without reading the books I was assigned and still pass! I thought this applied to everything in life!
>>153890205Jesus’s birth, background, death, and resurrection.
>>153890270>>153890264Then you need to understand biblical genre better.
>>153890290I cannot state this enough.You are the one making the claim. You provide the evidence. Not me. I'm not asking you to stop believing your religion. I'm explaining why I don't believe it.
>>153890253>Ontological truth (infallible) up here....>Humans (fallible) down here
>>153890234>ACKSHUALLYJHVH made the bet not JobJob has the nerve to ask God what the fuck and God somehow avoids the bet and screams I MADE EVERYTHING HOW DARE YOU right before restoring everything Job lostYou literally cannot spin this any other way just like God telling some poor schmuck to blood sacrifice his own child, a theological pretzel beyond repair
>>153890317>You provide the evidence. Not me.It's in the bible. Read it. The evidence is there for you, it's been provided. Is it just too much for you? That's not part of the deal. It's there, now read it.
>>153890290>N-no U!Espouse magical thinking, deal with the consequences
>>153890301And what evidence do we have that:A. Jesus existed in the first placeB. He was born to a virgin motherC. He was the son of GodD. He was crucified by the RomansE. He rose from the dead after 3 days
>>153890320You left out the underpants gnomes' middle step
>>153890345Which version?
>>153890317>I'm explaining why I don't believe it.Yes, you are. More than you know. You're explaining that you lack the mental capacity to read a book you claim to understand. How could such a person ever understand the universe? Can't even bring himself to read a single book, the most-read book on the planet, even.
>>153890249>This isn't anything more than parableBy that logic so is rest of Scripture meaning it's not fact
>>153890372So why do you believe the Bible over the Koran? Why do you believe that God is fallible since he had to create a New Testament?
>>153887012This dude appeared in some of those comics. Later he got busted for apparently diddling kids, and Jack Chick defended him, claiming he was set up.
>>153890349>And what evidence do we have that:>A. Napoleon existed in the first place>B. He was born to a Corsican father>C. He was the emperor of France >D. He was exiled to Elba>E. He returned to FranceNone. Just a bunch of historical attestations to these things. And what does that mean when all those people could have just been wrong?
>>153890395>Why do you believe that God is fallible since he had to create a New Testament?>Why do I so aggressively misunderstand what New Testament even means?Lol this one is just stupid.
>>153890408https://www.napoleonica.org/en/collections/correspondance/
>>153890372>How could such a person ever understand the universe? Can't even bring himself to read a single bookThis. If you're still arguing the bible with someone who has never read it and entertaining them as though they have any claim to participation in that conversation, you're dumb. My teacher used to make people who didn't do the homework sit in silence all class while everyone else discussed. We should really do that.
>>153890418>Y-you just don't GET IT!Do go on. What is the purpose of the New Testament.
>>153890433Anyone could have written that.
>>153890472At least be original. You could have chosen any other person besides Napoleon.
>>153888797>Well then, think of higher beings as occupying a "private" dimension if it helps you.Okay. Think of my invisible piss on you as coming from a "private" dimension. A dimension for my privates.
This has drifted from Jack Chick. The actual question was whether Chick’s theology was wrong.The answer is yes, depending on the standard. Catholics would reject his anti-Catholic sacrament claims. And many Protestants reject his dispensational end-times framework. His Russia/Magog stuff is basically Cold War viewed through evangelical paranoia rather than serious theology. And "demons are not logically impossible" doesn't mean Chick’s demonology is true.
>>1538903451. Which Bible2. Can't think of any other thing where a faggot can evade a simple question
>>153890403Chick was VERY clear that even Christian rock was the creation of the devil
>>153890451Which Bible
>>153890709Chick's tracts were comfort food for retards so they wouldn't ever need to learn Scripture and the proof of it is how they all ended with MAIL US TO BE SAVED like a fucking postage stamp was a step to salvation.
>>153890771Chick misread that. The majority of music has sketchy origins in them.
>>153890771and also Lord of the Rings and Narnia for some reason, lol
>>153890709>And many Protestants reject his dispensational end-times framework. His Russia/Magog stuff is basically Cold War viewed through evangelical paranoia rather than serious theology.The "Jesus Movement" of the 1970's and it's fallout created this weird moment in American history where the Evangelical movement and Manifest Destiny / American Exceptionalism were fused in this weird way where Christians thought that Revelations was about America and that Armageddon would involve the USSR. A lot of parents (including mine) thought everyone would've been raptured to Heaven by now.
Seeing discussions about the truth of the bible is so weird.Like, we know that there are cases where for whatever reason (losing faithful, Eastern roman emperor locked people up and ordered a rewrite etc) Bible got revisions/editions that were not just 'holy text from a guy we call holy'.Reconciling 5 schisms within the same religion is also weird/
>>153887012Dunno whether he is correct for his specific branch of theology, but considering he believes sone bumfuck criminals and rapists who prostrate themselves at the last second go to heaven while good people who did good deeds go to hell cause their work was meaningless compared to Jesus and they got uppity, I hope it is wrong
>>153890268>Why would they need to?"Need" is such a materialist approach to this.
>>153890838>The majority of music has sketchy origins in them.Nigger pleaseJust put your phone awayGo outside
>>153890847>A lot of parents (including mine) thought everyone would've been raptured to Heaven by now.Did you do your duty and ridicule them over this, as often as possible
>>153890933It's only weird because of how you were taught to view religion from a 20th century modernist lens.
>>153891018>It's only bad because evil rationalists allowed you to review it
>>153887012He was a heretic besmirching the name of the one true Peter's church and called John Paul II a communist.And he also made "Lisa".
>>153890993>LOOK MOM I DERAILED WHAT ANON WAS SAYING BY BEING AN ASSHOLE OVER A WORD CHOICE
>>153891018How do rewrites motivated by a political figure that persist to this day to what you consider Holy Text end up as normal in your world?
>>153891041>And he also made "Lisa".We should storytime it just for OP
>>153889607>muh existentialism argumentHow do you know your eyes are real if you cant "know" things. And aince you cant know anything any reply to this is wrong because you have no knowledge and therefore cant know.
>>153891142>stoner arguments
>>153891142Jaden Smith posting on /co/?
>>153887012>>153891041>was any of his theology actually wrong?
>>153891036Yes actually.
>>153891158
>>153891048Because "poltical" figure and "religious " figure is more or less the same thing.It's only in the modern context that you assume they have to be separate.
>>153891176
>>153891189You can practically smell Jack whacking off to this
>>153891214I FEEL GOODI KNEW THAT I WOULD
>>153891188No, they were not. There is a clear transition from just Emperor to Holy Roman Emperor who rules by divine right.
>>153888073Leviticus 18:22 "That baby from Family Guy is gay."
>>153891271You're looking at History wrong.
>>153891244>>153887012>>153888473>>153888549HEY OPYOU STILL UP FOR ASKING ABOUT JACK'S THEOLOGY?
>>153887012>was any of his theology actually wrong?It's a complicated answer, but in short, yes. He was emblematic of the post second great awakening rural American schismatic Christian, who were badly taken in by dispensationalism and other 18th/19th century "developments" that only really took hold in the states.
>>153891306So when I post the next historical fact that contradicts your statements, do you escalate to 'your existence is wrong' or what?
>>153891244"I'VE BEEN RAPING MY DAUGHTER BUT EVERYTHING'S ALL RIGHT NOW"Yeah funny thing, Chick Tracts doesn't reprint this one and memoryholed itDid Jack have any nieces or nephews
>>153888813Y2K was real, it was just patched out. A couple of computers were affected, resulting in funny stories like a German guy suddenly finding several million in his account.But the gist is that IT people took Y2K seriously and prevented it. Saying that it's a "hoax" would be like saying fire isn't a hazard because the sprinkler system put it out before it spread.
"Is Jesùs going to touch my no-no and give me more STDs like Daddy?"
>>153891310>GOOD NEWS, HONEY, DADDY'S DONE RAPING YOU
>>153891310The reveal that Lisa is between 5 and 8 really seals this one.Also what about the neighbor?
>>153891520Here seen, a theological moment in Helena "Huntress" Bertinelli's backstory Kid tested, Chick approved
>>153891644>Also what about the neighborHe's just fine
Other potentially one prayer away from being saved guys
>>153891692Your heart belongs to the abyss of hell.
I miss the-holy-bibble.
>>153889953>What even was his theology?Anti-catholic conspiracism and extreme KJV onlyism.
>>153890993Why would an all-knowing god create something without a purpose?Isn't that the crux of your religion? That the universe and everything in it was created with divine purpose.
>>153892263What's the matter anon, didn't like seeing your prophet laid bare
>>153890349We have evidence that Jesus most likely existed from secular sources. Of course there is 0 evidence about him performing miracles as all the gospels were written decades after his death, and the scientific consensus is that the authors were not the apostles. Paul's writings were done just a few years after Jesus's death, but his proof of the resurrection was Paul writing how he interviewed eyewitnesses who told him that Jesus flew to the sky.
>>153887063He's Canadian believe it or not.
>>153888734>this, he gets so much wrong even by the extremely low standards of American ProtestantismAmerican Christianity is a buffet, you pick the parts you like and ignore the rest.
>>153891158You know every denomination tells you to commit to penance if you do evil. That means confessing your crimes and receiving a just punishment. You don't just say, oopsie I promise I won't do bad things in the future, now let me continue with my life uninterrupted.
>>153893879But that sounds lame and boring and haaaaaaard. I'd rather just call myself a good person and bully anyone who disagrees into silence.
>>153891188>You don't understand God was directly beeming messages into the Byzantine emperor's brain about how to revise the scriptures. Just ignore that all these revisions and rewrites were beneficial to the political structure of the time thats purely coincidental.
>>153891310The guy decided to talk about something shocking but he didn't want to be shocking, so he danced around it and the storytelling suffered from it.
>>153893808>I read the address on the tract believe it or nothttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_ChickYou're retarded believe it or not
>>153893939>He never mentions retribution on the neighbor who cornholed a little girl but these things happen when you're imperfectOP wanted to discuss Cuck's theological validity, bringing up a story so fucking vile he pretended it was never made is fair dinkum
I just inherently disagree with the concept of throwing someone into eternal hellfire for all eternity, for a few sins committed during what can't even be described as a lifespan of 100 years.Any religion that preaches this is insane poppycock.
>>153887833LuckyDevils.png
>>153887012He was theologically illiterate as so many anons here have pointed out, so yes. I do look forward to you trying to make this thread over and over while the outcome consists of you crying "YOU'LL BURN IN HELL" each time though, keep being a lolcow you sad little fuck.We good here? You had your fun, Timmy?
>>153894034sounds like your a heretic who will burn in the lake of fire forever unless you repent. God loves you. Christ is King! Seriously, start reading the bible and start doing nofap. It will save you from a literal eternity of torture. I'm not joking, do this for your future self. It's really important. Christ is King! Amen!
>>153888291Jews will still all burn in hell for not believing in Jesus though
>>153894034Faggot>>153894058Keep coping
>>153894087I will pray for you. Read the bible, you have no-one to blame but youreslf.
>>153891310explain what is wrong with this. Anyone can repent and be saved no matter whar sins you commited
>>153894180>be anon>feel serious wrongdoing about life>go down to church to confess and change your life around>die on the way>sent to eternal damnation because you didn't talk to a priest or give titheBravo.
>>153894218Then it's your own fault for not repenting sooner. The bible is very clear about this stuff. We tried to warn you.
>>153894225>inshallah, it's your fault for being raped. should've worn a burkha
>>153894236how does that have anything to do with Christianity, schizo?
>>153891372You're posting historical facts that you don't really understand.
>>153893503How could you know what an all-knowing being knows?
>>153894272because he wrote it down for us you stupid neckbeard atheist redditor
>>153894261In Jack's theology, the rapist gets away scot-free because he said sorry to the man in the sky.Whereas the victim who rejects Christianity is tortured for eternity.
>>153894312So? That's literally just how the world works. You crying about it is making you look like a toddler.
>>153894218chick didnt believe you needed to give money or speak to a priest to be saved
>>153894180Last-secondists deserve a bullet to the back of the fucking head.
>>153891426The concept of a vile person reforming and repenting is unacceptable to some people because it gives them no excuse.
>>153894344Why? Jesus forgave man who was already nailed to a cross. Doesnt get more last second than that
>>153894323>nooo raping 5yos is a good thingLiterally kill yourself so you can find out for sure whether God agrees with you or not.
>>153894218>Most churches preach internal confession, wherein the recognition and repentance of sin takes place in the heart and is ultimately between an individual and God.
>>153894323>So? That's literally just how the world works.No, that's how Jack's fucked-up insane theology works.The way real world works is that you just die and there is nothing.
>>153894350Maybe don't be a vile person in the first place, so you don't need to "repent".
>>153894065If God was intentionally trying to send this message, why did he leave it as vague prophecies across many different books instead of just saying it more clearly?>I don't understand.>Of course you don't. I'm speaking in riddles. That's kind of the point.>Like a clue that will later make you go, "Oh, that's what he meant!"Maybe that's what he was going for, but making people burn in hell for not piecing together the correct interpretation of a bunch of books seems pretty messed up so I doubt it. God is all-loving and wouldn't make salvation depend on something like that.
>>153894381theres no riddle. Accept Jesus thats it
>>153894350Repenting does absolutely nothing you retard. It literally doesn't matter if you repent or not. It doesn't change anything at all.
>>153894344>Last-secondists badLmao, you realize that the tragedy is that they spent only a few moments forgiven and their entire life in sin, right?The injustice here isn't that someone who repents at the last second *got* to live in sin and debauchery, only cleaning up in the end because living like that isn't good. The living in sin part is the tragedy and that they're finally saved is an infinitely good thing.
>>153894398Why though? You grew up learning about Jesus from your parents or culture presumably. Why would you choose to "accept Jesus" if you were raised a Shintoist?
>>153894034Nobody is "throwing" you anywhere. You send yourself there.
>>153894375We all sin and fall short of the glory of God. You cannot avoid being a vile person by willpower. You have to submit to God and receive his forgiveness and Holy Spirit. Only through Him do you have a chance.>>153894400>Shit demons say
>>153894362read the bible.>>153894374read the bible.
>>153894401Why couldn't an all-powerful God forgive souls at the pearly gates then?
>>153894408They say "throwing" to make it seem like God does it, giving them the grounds to impugne his goodness. I'm sure it's convincing to themselves lol
>>153894408What about people who didn't know what they were doing and thought they were doing what was right? What about a man who tried to live virtuously, but never knew about Jesus? Does he deserve the same punishment as a man who killed and murdered people, and never repented?
>>153894420that isn't how it works. Much more intelligent people than you are Christians, you can't find a loophole because it is the truth.
>>153894420>Because God doesn't do something, that means he can't.Come on now.He could, but is that in the terms of His offer of salvation to us?
>>153894429According to Jack Chick, yes. See >>153894065, Jesus is the ONLY way.>>153894438How does it work, guy who apparently knows what exactly what God does?>>153894440Why would a perfectly loving God allow last-second mercy but forbid first-second-after-death mercy?
>>153894423well didnt he create it as the only other option of eternal life?
>>153894429I mean the catholic church has always endorsed the concept of a virtuous pagan who was saved when Christ descended into Hell.Which is the main problem with the entire world view anon, you're dealing with a living institution that will change its views.And if that pisses you off then what is your actual worldview? Are you angry at earlier scientists from coming to the wrong conclusion when presented with their experimental findings?
>>153888028>Flatland thought experiments even hint at higher dimensions wherein spiritual beings could carry out actions and influencesThe sphere in Flatland wasn't some completely non-corporal being, he was a physical being just like the rest of the Flatlanders.Also Flatland wasn't meant to be a thought experiment about higher dimensions, it was a satire of Victorian culture. FFS, the women within it had to constantly make noises when they moved because they could accidentally kill a man by moving into him and accidentally stabbing him to death, and houses were designed to deliberately make it difficult for them to enter. The "higher dimensions" interpretation is a later deconstruction of the narrative from people who coopted the narrative.
>>153894429God judges both heart and knowledge: people who sincerely seek God or live virtuously without explicit knowledge of Christ are treated differently by God’s mercy than willful, unrepentant sinners, but final judgment rests with GodRomans 2:12-16 - God judges according to each person's heart and knowledge.>inb4 "Well then why do you Christians have to tell everyone!?"A bunch of reasons. The top two for me are that Christ commanded it and that people who adopt Christian values invariably live better, more fruitful lives than those with any other value set.
>>153894449>Why would a perfectly loving God allow last-second mercy but forbid first-second-after-death mercy?>Why can't these contractual terms be whatever I want them to be!? It's unfair!!!
>>153894344The alternative would be either calvinism or to say that people can have their own righteousness separate from Jesus. If you dont like the idea that Ned Flanders type people are just as lost as murderers and rapists without Jesus then you'll have to take it up with God
>>153894401No the tragedy/injustice is that the man who was righteous in every other way (outside of not believing in the J-man) burns for eternity.Whereas the man who did nothing but harm to others gets eternal paradise because he said sorry on his deathbed.And not even to those he wronged, just to some guy who claims to be a loving god.
>>153894449Nobody really has to answer for Jack Chick's theology outside of Jack Chick, he was part of a non-denominational denomination that rejected one of the largest pool of Christian thought for a mid-20th century worldview.
>>153894466>The "higher dimensions" interpretation is a later deconstruction of the narrative from people who coopted the narrative.>I REFUSE to allow an idea to grow beyond its original means.This nigga fucking hates sentience.
>>153894480>Why can't these contractual terms be whatever I want them to be!? It's unfair!!!Is it not unfair for some Japanese kid to have been born never hearing about Jesus and then being sent to burn in hell for eternity because of it? Tell me why a loving God would do that. I believe God is loving, so I think your interpretation must be flawed.
>>153894494The funny thing about anon is the only one condemning that japanese boy to damination is you.
>>153894491I agree with you, but it seems like even in this thread some people agree with Chick's take on it. So they can answer for themselves at least.
>>153894462It just comes across as manipulative. The entire concept of hellfire just feels like a money making scheme by mainstream catholicism to scare people into church attendance and paying a tithe to save people from hell. It's just like how I hate scientists who used to proclaim how lead was safe to use in gasoline, or how asbestos was safe to use for insulation, or the scientists who recommended that pregnant women smoke 10 packs of cigarettes a day.
>>153894482Is that really how you think it works, anon? You're going to some real lengths to hold on to your hatred here. Especially when refutations of this twisted logic are ITT right now.>>153894469You've got some issues, Stan, I think you need some counseling.
>>153894497Knowing and accepting Jesus is the ONLY way to heaven. Agree or disagree?
>>153894419Numbers 31:17-18?
>>153894505>The entire concept of hellfire just feels like a money making scheme by mainstream catholicism to scare people into church attendance and paying a tithe to save people from hell.Well that's not how it works for Catholics.Which is the problem, you're trying to engage without actually engaging. You're arguing against bullet points of your own making.
>>153894494>God knows the inner desires, motivations, and secrets of all of our hearts and judges us based on them.>I choose to believe that God would judge this incorrectly or unjustly because I MUST FIND FAULT WITH HIM!Uhh....huh... You've got a demon, anon.
>>153894530>you're trying to engage without actually engaging. You're arguing against bullet points of your own making.Remind me again, why we're arguing the bible with people who have not only never read it, but would never read it?
>>153894513Yeah but that doesn't mean what you think it means.
>>153894531I believe he would judge it justly. Why would torturing the Japanese boy for eternity for not knowing Jesus be just? Or are you just going to leave it as "God works in mysterious ways?" I don't see how that lines up with the other morals outlined in the Bible, so I don't believe it is how God operates. I think Jack Chick is wrong, but I guess that means I'm possessed by a demon.
>>153894530So catholicism doesn't preach eternal hellfire?
>>153894513That's true. And if your heart is oriented towards Him and your desire to know Him is clear from it and your behavior, even if you've never heard of Him, why would God damn you? That's nowhere in Christian theology.A few passages for you.Acts 17:30–31 — God overlooked past ignorance but now calls all people to repent; judgment will be by Jesus.Matthew 25:31–46 — Final judgment distinguishes those who lived compassionately (sheep) from the unmerciful (goats); deeds matter as evidence of the heart.1 Timothy 2:3–4, 2 Peter 3:9 — God desires all to be saved and is patient, not wanting anyone to perish.
>>153894559Explain it then.
>>153894508It is twisted logic to send evil people to heaven and good people to hell, purely based on whether they believe in Jesus or not.
>>153894574What if you have heard of him, but you're raised in another culture to believe in Ganesh or something? Imagine a very virtuous Hindu.
>>153894572No not really, it's more like about being called to God.
>>153894566You haven't found an inconsistency. Jesus even says He will have worshippers whom He will turn away saying "Go away from me, for I never knew you." These people are the opposite of your Japanese boy, you understand? They heard about Jesus and even claimed to worship Him, but their hearts weren't oriented towards Him. Despite his ignorance, your Japanese boy's heart was oriented toward Jesus, therefore Jesus would accept him.The reason it doesn't line up with the other morals in the bible is because your understanding was misaligned.
>>153894579It's a mystery.
>>153894597>What if you have heard of Him, but actively make the choice not to worship Him because it would be hard in your culture?Well, that sounds cowardly and like you didn't believe in His sovereignty in your heart. What do you think happens?
>>153894606>The reason it doesn't line up with the other morals in the bible is because your understanding was misaligned.Perhaps, but it isn't my own understanding. I'm talking about how guys like Jack Chick frame it. The way you put it is more compatible with the other morals.
>>153894590>If I misrepresent what's happening, surely I can find fault with God.You're not hurting God, just making yourself look dumb.
>>153894626I think that's pretty unfair and cruel to torture a nice Buddhist for eternity, not very Christlike.>What do you think happens?I imagine Christ finds a way to save him.
>>153894626It's more cowardly to torture someone for eternity for the "crime" of sticking to the belief they were raised with.
>>153894628>I'm talking about how guys like Jack Chick frame it.Fair enough. I have plenty of problems with fundamentalist, charismatic, and dispensationalist teachings. They get important details wrong or oversimplify them to cater to a larger audience.
>>153894626>that sounds cowardly That assumes the person secretly knows Christianity is true and refuses it out of cowardice. But that’s not the normal case. A sincere Hindu, Buddhist, Shintoist, Muslim, or Jew usually thinks their own tradition is true, the same way a Christian usually thinks Christianity is true because of upbringing, testimony, and community.
>>153894637How is it a misrepresentation when that's literally what you and Jack believe(d) in?
>>153894640>a nice Buddhist for eternity, not very Christlike.Well, that nice Buddhist was given a choice when he heard about Christ, was he not?>Trust in Jesus in your heartOr>Deny Him and accept the consequencesGod doesn't force people on this important choice, or at all. So finding a way to save someone against their will isn't something He does.
>>153894707>Well, that nice Buddhist was given a choice when he heard about Christ, was he not?Hearing about Christ is not the same as knowing Christianity is true and then rejecting God. A Buddhist can hear Christian claims and sincerely think they are false, just as Christians hear Muslim or Hindu claims and sincerely think those are false. Why would honest error deserve eternal punishment?
>>153894724>and sincerely think they are falseThat is active rejection of Christ.
>>153894724>A person can hear someone say their food is poisoned and sincerely believe that they should go on eating it, rejecting the safe food put before them. Why would honest error deserve death?It just does, anon.
>>153894740That makes "rejection" mean "not being convinced." Why would God treat honest disbelief as rebellion?
>>153894765In the most generous interpretation of this scenario, you have, at least, chosen to disengage with the truth before coming to understanding of it that would inform you making the right decision. Is such a person, who willfully chooses ignorance over enlightenment, worthy of receiving an eternal reward and communion with God? Is such a person the wheat or the chaff?
>>153894814That just re-labels honest disbelief as "willful ignorance."A Muslim could just as easily say a Christian who hears Islamic arguments and stays Christian is choosing ignorance over truth. When in reality he is simply not convinced. Same principle for the Buddhist hearing Christian claims.
>>153887012I remember when I used to watch MarkOvDaBeest dubs of theseNow I listen to him on the Merchant Minute as Morrakiu, I’m glad I kept going on the hatred of abrashamic bullshit and am just fully Antisemitic now, I’m on the right side of history unlike /co/ trannies and jannies (but I repeat myself). /co/ is the worst board on 4chan and I hope all jews experience real Holocaust fantasies IRL like fat vats and holocoasters and bear/eagle cages and electric floors and shit. Also fuck niggers
>>153894843Is there no element of willful ignorance in honest disbelief? If you're wrong, but presented with the truth, and instead opt to continue being wrong for whatever reason, are you right just because you weren't convinced? Of course not, you're still wrong and by your own choice. A Muslim could use this same argument, of course, but Jesus had a message for that, "You shall know them by their fruits". We're called to find truth by the fruits that it produces, and the fruits of Christianity are without overstatement, the greatest, most impactful, and most generous to the world of any world religion. If you see the outreach, volunteer work, and general good will from the Christian church blowing every other religion out of the water and don't think that might be an indication of it being the truth, you might be willfully ignorant.
>>153894916Actually we should force all jew to be anthro cows who fuck human men and live as dumb sex toys with no esoteric systems only dumb moo cow thoughts and sex with human men
>>153894916>Literally who E-celeb bullshit>Being as edgy as possible You have to be 18 to post here, anon
>>153894949I’m 36
>>153894954https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utddDvJ1Rvo
>>153894954>Edgelording at 36That's worse. That's way worse.
>>153887012Why does his brand of Christianity even encourage this attitude?>We live in a secular society. What this means is that a religious institution cannot control the government or vice versa, a separation of church and state. The population may be majority Christian and politicians may be openly religious, but at no point can the state force anyone to be any particular religion or suppress any religion. Thus, the educational system will not be teaching anyone that anyone that any particular is right or wrong and will at most just describe any religion as objectively and unbiased as possible. Scientific theories and philosophy that contradict religious beliefs will be taught because it is useful information for people to have, though nobody is actually required to believe in or agree with said information. Legislators who are religious may indeed suggest laws based on their religious convictions, but they must still adhere to secular principles and ought to be justified without using the religion as an argument, and may still not be passed because the consensus is key to fairness.>REEEEE!!! YOU ARE SUPPRESSING CHRISTIANS!!! WE ARE A CHRISTIAN NATION AND WE NEED TO HAVE CHRISTIAN VALUES!!! THE SEPARATION BETWEEN CHURCH AND STATE IS A LIE, THE FOUNDING FATHERS NEVER INTENDED IT THAT WAY!!! ACADEMICS ARE LYING ABOUT HISTORY AND SCIENCE!!! MUSLIMS, ATHEISTS AND BUDDHISTS ARE ALL DEMON WORSHIPPERS AND MUST BE DESTROYED BEFORE THEY TAKE OVER AND MAKE US SLAVES!!!It's really bizarre and sad to see.
>>153894975>Most generous take possible for side A>Most unreasonable take possible for side B>I am very enlightened
>>153894930I dunno anon, a lot of Jack Chick style Christians are huge assholes. Guess that's a sign his interpretation at least is bullshit.
Okay lets settle this once and for allhttps://strawpoll.com/e6Z2ALKjwgN
>>153894995First of all, I get your meaning and I also don't find fundamentalists and charismatics to be focused on scripture properly. However, I'd say they're overrepresented in the discourse surrounding Christianity. I'd also like to make it clear that>I don't like them and think they're assholesIs not the same thing as >They don't produce worthwhile fruit of the spirit indicating righteousness
>>153894949No more edgy than saying that your god sends billions of people into a burning pit of eternal torture, just for the crime of not believing in him.
>>153895033>no more edgy than>edgy misinterpretation designed to be as edgy as possibleCorrect.
>>153895048>misinterpretationLiterally what Jack Chick and his ilk believe.
>>153890844>LOTRRoman Catholic (with pagan mythologies)>NARNIAAnglican (with pagan mythologies)Just a rationalization
>>153895025Of course they're not the same thing, but my intent is saying "they don't produce worthwhile fruit of the spirit indicating righteousness." I'm just saying it in a crass way.
>>153895025>However, I'd say they're overrepresented in the discourse surrounding ChristianityYeah I'd agree with that
>>153895064I go to a southern baptist church and they're very clear that eternal separation from God is the consequence of a person choosing to be separated from God, not a decision God makes to throw you into hell as punishment.
>>153894965https://youtu.be/TVlNfo1tgXM
>>153895100>they don't produce worthwhile fruit of the spirit indicating righteousnessThat's hard to say. Independent Baptists like Chick are so decentralized, it's not possible to pull up and compare their relative rates of charitable giving, volunteer work, outreach, and evangelism. That's also why it's hard to pin down their theology. For me, I support higher-church denominations partly for this reason.
>>153895180>Independent Baptists like Chick are so decentralized, it's not possible to pull up and compareI guess God only knows. But for my money, they strike me as true believers who are just unpalatable to secularists for their hard-line stances. To me that doesn't necessitate that they produce bad fruit.
>>153890345I just raped jesus to death, cope about it.
>ITT: a bunch of retarded democrats think they know more than God.
>>153895204>ITT: anon doesn't have an argument
>>153895216You're going to burn in hell. I'll be the one laughing in the end. Cope and seethe tranny.
>>153895231Still not an argument.
>>153895233>NOOOOOOOOOOO YOU NEED AN ARGUMENTI do not respect you. Fuck off, tranny. Christian website.
>>153895245>This site is Christian because I say it is./pol/ is that way.
>>153895231>I'll be the one laughing in the end.I'm pretty sure that we're just going to stand so in awe of the glory that is God that those who are sent to the fire won't even be on our minds. They'll probably just be eternally forgotten and that's for the best. I wouldn't want to feel pride over having gotten to be with the Lord when they haven't. If anything I'd pity them as I really already do.
>>153895204If your god is so smart, why can't he make convincing arguments for his own existence?And why does he have to rely on lunatics like Jack Chick to spread his message?
>>153895260>why can't he make convincing arguments for his own existence?He does, and plenty of people are convinced. Maybe by choice you're missing something vital that other people have.
>>153895279>Your lack of belief is YOUR fault>Which by the way, is God's unerring and unchanging planGreat.
>>153895282But unironically. You have free will.
>>153895282yes chad.png
You know, they always say hebrew. but they never say what hebrew.
>>153894985I'll admit that it's comical exaggeration but in what way is it rational to act as if you are being persecuted or stomped out, just because you have to coexist with others who believe differently and can't be pushed out so you won't feel discomfort, and/or because academics and scientists come to conclusions that contradict your beliefs despite you not being obligated to agree with them? Especially if your group is still the majority?
>>153895309the difference is Ganesh isn't really poojeetaslo sounds like Slanesh from Warhammer so extra heretical.
>400 posts of arguing about some retarded inbred jewish goatfucker religion from the bronze age/x/ is that way
>>153895279Is that why the percentage of people who claim to be Christian is dropping year on year? Seems kind of sad for the alleged one true religion.
>>153895309>you have to coexist with others who believe differently and can't be pushed outTo be completely fair, this is a recipe for divided loyalties, low-trust, and social dysfunction. Anyone with a stake in society's health should think carefully on this.
>>153895328>Ganesh isn't really poojeetWhat is he then?
>>153895352you just described muslim thoughChristianity is religion for WhitesAll great societies are Christians, spartans, romans, nazi germany, the list goes on
>>153895371From where I'm standing, it seems societies that accept multiple beliefs are a lot nicer to live in on average than the ones that force a single belief.
>>153895358>Import millions of Muslims and Hindus>See, the rate of Chrisitanity is dropping in the West! Clearly people don't believe in it!Lmao retard.
What do you think the average IQ of this thread is?
>>153895389yes like yurop where you get stabbed on the street and your women get raped and you go to prison for being racist, very good to live inalso diversity means they will wipe out all white people you see it happen in europe and in south africa. i am just saying
>>153895389I'd say that's because, by and large, those countries are built on Christian values and Christianity is very tolerant of others. Lose that Christian majority, the tolerance of others goes with it.
>>153895381FACT: The most Christian continent is latin americaFACT: The second most Christian continent is africaFACT: There are far more black Christians than White onesFACT: The whitest parts of the United States are the least ChristianAlso, the spartans weren't Christian, neither were the romans for half the time they existed, and the nazis were.... weird about religion to say the least.
>>153895231I think your supposed to be sad that souls are rejecting god not happy
>>153895408So what you're saying is if we reject Christianity we can go back to hating foreigners?Colour me intrigued
>>153895417It depends on where in South America, the white countries are some of the best in the world to live in and very Christian. Some of the last good palces for Whites left.
>>153895403acording to my calculations even with all these tards mine still puts the average at 2005649.72Morman by the way
>>153895439>south america>whitelollmao
>>153895391If it's the one true religion, most of them should have converted.Or at the very least, you'd think their kids would.Just shows how impotent the Christian "god" is.
>>153895440Good, you chose the correct religion. Congrats.
>>153895012damn, deadlocked
>>153895417This.Christianity is, by and large, a nigger religion.And yknow what, good on them, only the idea of eternal hellfire could possibly make a negro restrain himself, so it's overall a net positive.
>>153895428Either that or have an appropriate understanding of Chrisitianity where the foreigner dwellling among you must abide by your nation's laws and assimilate (Exodus 12:29, Roman's 13: 1-7)But that's hard to do, and I expect most won't want to take a nuanced or educated approach to the matter.
>>153895444America and Europe has no Whites left, only Easern Europe and some of South America still keep European DNA alive. It is a sad state of the world but that is what hapens when you know who control it
>>153895465I don't want them to assimilate I want them gone period.>Oh niggers and spics and chinks are fine if they're legal and patriotic and convert to our religion :^)Fuck off
>>153895458>total votes 3Lmao, truly the survey of all time.
>>153895403I think it's safe to say nobody here's gonna be splitting the atom.
Just a reminder.Racism is NOT allowed outside of /b/
>>153895466Coping Ivan/Pedro
>>153895481>niggers and spics and chinks are fine if they obey the law and have the same values as usUnironically yes. You're not an actual pilpul retard who things the point of racism is to be mad about skin color, are you?
>>153887929Hey this anon sounds like they're being controlled by a demon!
>>153895490Least enforced rule on this site by far
>>153887012He believes in vampire and literal magic as well as America only exists to serve Israel. He would’ve hated Trump and MAGA for not being pro-Israel enough.
>>153895499No, I'm a person that understands there are genetic differences between the races that can't be fixed by some retarded wishy washy notions of civic nationalism or "adopting a culture". They can wear our clothes and eat our food and sing our songs all they want, that does not, and never will, make them like us.>it's fine my race fets ethnically replaces by other races as long as they act like meLegitimately fucking kill yourself.
>>153895499>I'd give up my racism if everyone would just behaveBased and enlightened racist.
>>153895499>dooooood importing a billion niggers is fine as long as they're christian praise the lord deus vultno
>>153895537>I believe in genetics and sciencegood>that means every single black person (NIGGER!) is a retarded subhuman who can't live in our societyobviously false. Plenty are completely functional and good people. It's all bell curves.
>>153895537>it's fine my race fets ethnically replaces by other races as long as they act like meYeah, my ideas, thoughts, and values are more important than my genetics. If they live on, I don't care what my memetic descendants look like.>t. MGS1 and MGS2 enjoyer
>>153895565>Plenty are completely functional and good people.Good on them, they should stay in their own countries. I still don't want them, and neither should you.
>>153895575Christcucks everyone
I really like the fact that one of the main critiques leftists have of christians is that they're "hateful bigoted white men" but there's an unironically sizeable amount of right wingers who claim that christianity is bad because it's "not hateful and bigoted ENOUGH"It's really funny
>>153895591This makes Christians look very good
>>153895612What do you mean?>>153895591>>153895554>>153895537>>153895481
>>153887012Wow, I wonder if I'll find some actual arguments about theology here->checks thread-Aaaaaaaaaand it's all just redditors seething about salvation by faith.
>>153895640That's the >right wingers who claim that christianity is bad because it's "not hateful and bigoted ENOUGH"part he's talking about
>>153895583Should we let someone who is a net positive in every possible way live in our society? They create jobs, pay taxes, contribute to their local community?ignoring skin colour, answer that for1.) that person was born in the country2.) that person was born somewhere elsethen answer those questions again but the person is black.At least be logical in your racism. Your best bet is to say such a person is very rare.
>>153895655>they're REDDITORSstill not an argument, they seem to be making the better points ITTfeel free to refute them
>>153895655If child rapists go to heaven, I'd honestly prefer hell.
>>153895679If he's white then sure, if he's not white then he should stay and improve his own country or whatever. I want full separation, maybe with a couple designated cities for commerce.
>>153895640>>153895668There is actually a big divide right now between the nazi, race chuds and the crusader, religion chuds.Whoever wins will inherit the earth.
>>153895575So if someone kills you and steals your identity that's fine because you don't matter, only the idea of you.
>>153895668I know, I was joking. Kind of a "Whatever could you be referring to?" thing
>>153895710>>153895737Lmao retards
>>153888680>Also, which culture is right about the demons and how would you prove it?Well, the one he grew up with, of course! And it's so obvious, it doesn't need proving.
>>153895745I see, my bad. I thought that might be the case, but I'm going off 3 hours of sleep right now, so I missed it.
>>153895763>racism is bad because... IT JUST IS OKAY
>>153887012There really is a small group of "global elites" who want to control everything, and many of them practice mysticism and new age nonsense. The problem is they have just enough power and cunning to be dangerous, but not enough to actually make a successful One World government. This is both a good thing and a bad thing in its own way.The depressing truth is that there really is an NWO, and they're the most retarded and incompetent people who have ever lived.
>>153895789>Actively denying one's society admitted net positives to maintain hardline racism.>Pretends this is unimpeachableWell at least you're consistent in your retardation
>muh theology!Shut the fuck up retards.I'm posting Lisa.We begin with a story every American husband can relate to: a wife nagging you so you escape into pornorgraphy which you watch with your good buddy CharlieOh and it sounds like he's heard of some untowards business with your daughter, someone's got loose lips!
>>153895679I'm this racist. >>153895499This person would be welcome with open arms.
>>153890403Reminds me of that one Chick tract where a child rapist infected a little girl with AIDS, and when a pastor told him he'd go to hell, he immediately confessed his sins and prayed to Jesus, and ended up going to heaven. The last shot was a picture of the child victim and she was like 5 years old or something. It was so bad that Chick had to discontinue it and remove it from his website, pretending it never happened.
>>153895818>the immediate net positive of a negro paying takes is worth the price of the impurification of the nation both genetically and metaphisically by allowing a community of racial enemies to exist within its bordersuh-huh
>>153895824Wait a ticI wonder if he chose the name Lisa for the game because of this. Considering the subject matter.
>>153895847>The person assimilated fully and obeys your laws and cultural customs>a community of racial enemiesBy what standard? They assimilated.
>>153895824Don't you just hate it when your neighbor gives your daughter Herpes?And, of course, the good Doctor knows exactly what should happen here:Don't call the police, don't call child services, make sure the man pimping his daughter out to the neighborhood turns to THE LORD.Then the discussion gets a little into the weeds considering it started with a credible accusation of child rape, I don't think we needed confirmation the EVERYONE is hellbound, I think we were all pretty solid on why this fucker is going to burn.
>>153895869Listen, guy, Jesus understands the temptation to fuck your daughter, he's gonna help you through this. Believe me, I'm a doctor.And just like that all that guilt is cured! Lisa, everything's gonna be ok now that I don't feel guilty I fucked you!Love the wife's first comment being about getting a fucking job again. Very on-point.
>>153895867They did not "assimilate" they exhibit the superfecial characteristics of the host nation while parasitically draining the resources and reproducing, thus creating an island where an enemy race can fester and grow like a tumor. Even if the behavior of the individual is beneficial, the malignant effect of a competing racial consciousness allowed inside is a hundred times worse than any "benefit" well-behaving individuals might have(that benefit is illusionary btw, the resources used for them to live could have been used for an aryan that would have brought even more material benefit anyways)
>>153895858Even if he didn't, it would be an interesting coincidence.
>>153895847>Fear of black people consumes my every waking momentI just don't like people when they commit crimes. This is taking it to retarded extremes and is very likely a pilpul.
>>153895896Damnit, Linda, don't you see? You denying me sex is what drove me to fuck our daughter! This is really your fault! The only thing you can do is give yourself to Jesus and not blame me or cause me any kind of repercussions in ANY way. Also fuck me again.>>153895917>>153895907>>153895904you shut the fuck up and show Lisa some respect this is a certified board classic you idpol apes
>>153889802>I see how it is evidence, so do billions of others.Combined, even more billions of others see evidence of completely different gods and supernatural entities. Does it go by popular vote? Or your fewer billions are, for some reason, more right than their billions?
>>153895917I don't fear them, I simply recognize the poison that is having them, or any non-white for that matter, inside white societies in any meaningful number.
>>153895904>They did not "assimilate" because they just didn't, okay!?In the hypothetical we're talking about, they did, anon. You can't just deny part of the set-up to maintain your logical coherence. You have to play by the rules established in the hypothetical or you're not arguing against anything but your own delusions.
>>153895928>idpol apesI'm only talking about the video game Lisa and how it's also about a sinner abusing his daughter Lisa. Can you forgive me? Can Jesus?
>>153895936The operative phrase under discussion was >of anything supernatural
>>153888473>He has promised to reverse it all in the end when it comes time for us to be judged.Then what?
>>153895950Lo, as it was said in Leviticus 18:22:"Stewie Griffin is gay."
>>153895970So is my pastor, nothing wrong with that
>>153895949>You have to argue in my make-belief scenario otherwise it doesn't countOkLet me put it in terms you understand: I do not give a shit they assimilated, I don't want other races living and reproducing in white countries, period.
>>153895978>I am racist beyond any measure of rationality or coherence, I simply don't like people who look different than me, regardless of if they are like me in every other capacity.Okay, then the bottom line is that you're stupid. Thank you for making it so simple.
>>153896007>ignores everything I said>makes up arguments in his own head to refute then>STILL acts like those people will ever be anything like him because one in a million of them can be taught to act semi-civilizedOk buddy, keep pretending they're ever going to assimilate while they continue doing crimes and ethnically replacing you.
>>153895968Then judgement for some and mercy for others.
>>153895970>bible references family guy thousands of years before it aired>people still don't believe
>>153896007You're the one making the claim they are "like me in every other capacity" you moron. I wholly reject that claim. They will never be like me.
>>153896033>while they continue doing crimes The hypothetical was built around accepting them if they didn't do this.
>>153895970>a man stepped out from the crowd as asked Jesus>'Oh Lord' is the baby on family guy gay?'>Jesus responded 'Is he attracted to men?'>The man spoke again 'But Lord, sometimes he has a little girlfriend, so how can you say he is gay'>Jesus said 'Bisexual is still gay'>The crowd was amazed
>>153896051The hypothetical is retarded because it never happens. And even if it did, I still gave you arguments for why I don't want them. I do not give a shit they pay their taxes and don't kill and rape, their presence alone is a long term sickness, and you're denying reality if you disagree.
>>153888759>Forensic thinking, for example, focused on inferences and rationale, does not follow the scientific methodYes, it does. What the fuck? Forensics and fields related to it are objectively reliant on the scientific method to come to their conclusions.
>>153895962The work is still cut out for you.You have to prove there's anything supernatural in the world.Then you have to prove each specific supernatural claim (spirits, ghosts, afterlife, deities, astrology, etc)Then you have to prove yours, specifically, are true. And that's each aspect of your religion (not the general one, your specific denomination), not prove one thing and then accept everything else your specific version of your specific dogma claims.And then you have to prove everything that other religions, other denominations, other versions of the book claim, is false.That's what it takes.>Just read the bibble, bro
>>153896046That's what assimilation means. If you outright reject the concept of assimilation, you're just ignoring historical examples of it being done properly because you're scared of having to live around people who look different. Worst and most cartoonish reason to be racist. At least I am racist for elevated and tasteful reasons.
>>153896070In a better world this post would sit next to the one explaining the math on how futa is less gay than regular porn
>>153896079>That wasn't under discussionI don't have to do shit.
>>153896083You're not elevated or tasteful if you willingly accept different races syphoning off the resources of the host, you're just a fucking retard.And there has never been a case of true assimilation. Ever.
>>153888397STOP TRYING TO ELEVATE THE DISCUSSION YOU ABSOLUTE CATHOLIC
>>153889821What if you're submitting to the wrong idea? What if the Hindus got it right? What if it's the Shintoists? What if it's the Zoroastrians?Oh shit, what if humanity just got unlucky and the absolute truth was held by some now extinct religion? What if it was the fucking Gnostics? Or some religion we never even heard of?How would you prove this isn't the case?
>>153896078Don't argue philosophy with someone that doesn't understand the basic fields, terms, and assumptions.It's not a revelation that the scientific method presupposes naturalism.Just laugh at the chick tracts like you were supposed to
>>153888759This is what happens when you fuck over the public school system for going on three or four decades. You get people like this, who don't understand even a basic conception of what science is.
wtf is this threadhow did we go from chick tracts to arguing about black people
>>153896078>Investigative intuition and heuristics>interpretive and comparative judgment>Institutional and procedural practices>Legal-adversarial procedures>Testimony and eyewitness interview norms and practices>Legal-adapted standards of proof beyond scientific methodologyAll of these things can be used to build proof beyond the shadow of a doubt without a single instance of experimentation and repeatability of results, the crux of the scientific method.
>>153894180Found the diddler.
>>153896162the Bible explains this it's the literal word of God. Fuck you're stupid.
>>153896108If you want to convince others, you do.Hell, if you don't want to believe in bullshit like a retard, you should do all that process for yourself. You might even arrive at your same current religion, but you should go through the process.
>>153891158>>153895824>Thread is so long Lisa gets posted twice.Everyone in this thread is dumb except for me.
>>153896200And the Quran explains that it is the last and final word of God, superseding all that came before.Time for you to convert, I guess!
You cannot be American if you are not White or a Christian. Deport yourself before we do it for you. It's going to be glorious. We're already the greatest country in the world even with all you parasites.
>>153896200>>153889173Hmm.
>>153887012what was even his fucking denomination lmao
>>153896227the qran was made up by a child rapist you stupid retard. Isn't it funny how you faggots always go on supporting muslims even though they'd kill you for being gay? Ironic.
>>153896220>Everyone in this thread is dumb except for me.WKUK reference spotted
>>153896250Aggravated American Retard
>>153896185>Science is le only investigative methodologyUnironically, no u.See >>153896189
>>153896257So you're against child rapists now?Earlier you were saying child rape is okay as long as you tell god you're sorry.
>>153896227The Quran explains that the Word of God is uncorruptible, calls the Bible and Torah the true Word of God, then claims they were corrupted and needed replacing by the Quran, the Word of God. Anyone who takes it seriously beyond this catastrophic logical fuck up is retarded or using it for their own gain (Usually to diddle kids and keep multiple wives as household slaves)
>>153896257And the Bible was cobbled together from the writings of multiple schizophrenic desert herders.No one is supporting muslims, man. You're just being told that your specific denomination's claims are about as valid as the muhammadeens'.You might as well swap one for the other if your standard for proof of the claim is "the claim claims that the claim is true".
science cultists are such absolute idiots. All great scientists were Christian. You don't even understand the basic conepts of science you treat it like a religion which is very ironic. God is real, end of story. Anyone actually doubting this has the mental age of a toddler. There's just too much proof to deny it unless you twist everything and ignore everything you don't like, which is not how real science works.
>>153896291>as long as you tell god you're sorry.I think you know you have to mean it and you're avoiding that part because it undermines your little accusation here. Lmao.
>>153896239Wrong, obese subhuman
>what if Christianity is wrong and some other retarded shitskin religion was actually right?the fact atheists actually think this is a gotcha is so fucking funny
>>153896257That’s a subject of pretty heated debate. From my casual reading this is mainly brought up by anti-Muslims for the obvious reasons, and by Muslim diddlers and diddler apologists. “If the prophet did it it can’t be wrong”.
>>153896314I don't diddle kids so I don't need to repent for it.
>>153896336your messiah was a 'shitskin'
>>153896306wrong- the Bible is the word of God, and had so many witnesses and so much proof since of God's existence the fact you deny it just makes me think you're doing it on purpose. Repent or you will burn forever.
>>153896341You have things you do need to repent for which are just as bad. Attempting to deceive, poison, and destroy your brothers morally is most obvious.
>/pol/ thread in /co/>almost 600 postsWhen did mods go on strike?
>>153896350that's liberal DEI propaganda. Jesus and everyone in the bible was White before muslims invaded and did what they did to the place in the bible that they try to do to America now. But you know that.
>>153896404You aren't white, tranny
>>153896162>What if the Hindus got it right? What if it's the Shintoists? What if it's the Zoroastrians?The stepping on infants to make them look like the "gods" and receive blessings is right, then worshipping your ancestors instead of ontological goodness is right, or then it's right to worship fire over the ontological goodness that is God.The fruits of these religions cannot compare to Christianity.
>>153896422>tranny calling me trannydilate
>>153896424Sure thing, faggot
>>153896364Like telling people they'll burn forever if they don't believe in the Big Book of Jewish Myths and Fables?If it were true, you wouldn't need to threaten people.
Christianity = save the West from fallingAtheism = destroy the West and kill all white peoplethe fact people think this is a hard choice is concerning...
>>153896404>everyone in the bible was White
>>153896430You do, projecting fag>>153896435Nice cope
>>153891692A great joke would be he stopped raping her and she starts blackmailing him for everything
>>153896435>Warning people that they're going to destroy themselves is mean and unloving, actually.Retard take.
>>153896461lying atheist scum. You'll burn.
>>153896478Keep seething
>>153896450>Atheism = destroy the West and kill all white peopleWell, you also need to accept that white people are ontologically evil and adopt an internally self-destructive worldview, but that's more implicit.
>Keep seething
>>153896519You do, fag
>>153896434>No argumentI accept your concession. Praise God for giving me the words to say in this matter.
>>153896497that's the central tenant of atheism though
>>153896535Sure thing
>>153896541Yeah. That kind of makes its implicit ingrainment over years in the public school system pretty impressive.
>>153896473>>Telling people they'll burn forever if they don't do exactly what you tell them to do is mean and unloving, actually.Yes.I'm sorry that your parents abused you.
Message to all "atheist"s in this thread: google "Suicidal Empathy". I hope those of you with at least above 90 IQ (I'm certain all atheists have under 100 IQ) will understand why destroying America is a bad thing.
>>153888425>hey should look vague and incomprehensible, with shapes we might be able to partially identify, but cannot fully comprehend.Have you seen a person? Then you have seen a cross-section of a 4-dimensional being.If there were higher entities interacting with our layer of reality, we would be able to observe them and find them concrete, not abstract or vague. Incomplete, but we'd see the entirety of their cross-section contained in our layer.But they would act unconstrained by the rules of this layer: physics, causality, etc.We have no credible evidence of anything exhibiting those behaviors, only claims that are unreliable, unverifiable, or otherwise explainable by misconceptions, erroneous perceptions or observations.Meaning, no reason to believe in demons.
>>153896584>republican jesus says empathy is bad
>>153896585anyone who reads flatland then goes away going "gee i wonder what's floating about in four dimensional space?" is a braindead idiot though. It's proven without doubt we exist in three dimensional space. it's a thought experiment about a possible thing, it doesn't exist in reality. Like God kek.
>>153896581>"Hey, don't drink that poison, you'll die and it's gonna hurt">"You're so abusive, OMG!?!?!?"Lmao stupid.
>>153896600Empathy only applies to your Neighbours- IE: White people. The Bible is very clear about this. Of course, why you even raise Jesus name is beyond funny because you're a liberal demon like the comic see?
>>153896600nothing in the bible about empathy
>>153896628You are a faggot
>>153896585>We have no credible evidence of anything exhibiting those behaviors, only claims that are unreliable, unverifiable, or otherwise explainable by misconceptions, erroneous perceptions or observations.The White House just released a shit ton of UFO documents that fit this bill, just saying.>inb4 "BUT THOSE AREN'T PEER REVIEWED! I SAID 'CREDIBLE' DAMMIT!!!"
Reminder: unless you repent to God and mean it, you WILL be burning in fire forever. I think atheists are just too stupid to understand how painful that will be. if they were even logical they would repent to avoid the chance of it (even though it will happen) It's honestly sad.
>>153896628Christcucks are the ones importing billions of niggers and shitskins thoChristianity is a shitskin religion
last comment before thread expires is the objective truth
>>153896609>ITT, Anon denies the existence of time
>>153896651projection.>>153896662stupid lie. When did Europe start becoming brown? That's right, when they stopped believing iin God. Look at them now and tell me you want America to stop being a Christian nation.
>>153896424Zoroastrians worship ontological goodness, Ahura Mazda is literally "all that is good"Are you retarded?
>>153896038And then?
God is real. Keep seetiing, muslims, jews, and liberals.
>>153896684You project
>>153896684Europe is substantially whiter than America and America is far more christian. The least religious countries in Europe are Iceland, Czechia and Estonia, and they are also the whitest. Christianity is, globally, a shitskin religion, and christians are at the forefront of importing spics and nigs.
>>153896689I wouldn't worry about it.
>>153896688brown people can't even understand goodness. Goodness can only be found through Christ.
>>153896697Muslims believe in God
>>153896646Have you actually read the bible, or are you just repeating what your megachurch pastor said while he's begging for more of your money.
>>153896697>god is real!>Muslims and Jews: yes, we know
>>153896684The most christian parts of America are the ones full of niggers.
>>153896706all lies. Nordic nations are super christian, the problems is when Jew politicians and bankers force them to immigrate in lots of brown hordes, that's where the problems start. Your just lying anyway though so I wouldnt answer it.
>>153896688>Acura MazdaImagine worshipping imports. These ninjas cannot be serious.
>>153896709Too bad, I am. What comes after the resurrection and the judgement? What comes after the end of the world? Once revelation is over and done with, what then?
wouldnt like nordic or celtic paganism be the true white religion? Not the one started in the middle east
>>153896716>brown people can't even understand goodness.Agreed>Goodness can only be found through Christ.Christ was a brown inbred jew tho?>>153896737Christians love and adore jews. Christians worship jews. Christians are spiritually jewish.
>>153896722>yes, we knowUnless they know Jesus (God) then no, they don't.
Has anyone ever seen an atheist who is in shape? they're all obese losers with dead end jobs and no lifes, no wife, no White children, just really sad honestly. In a few generations all atheists will be dead KEK.
>>153896752It is, but these people think worshipping a brown circumcised jew is based and trad, probabaly because they are brown and circumcised themselves.It's sad really.
Please reach 666 before pruning.
>>153896769Have you ever seen a white christian? They're all black and mexican lmao.
>>153896759Muzzies do.They just call him Isa.
>>153896744Then those who have found God's mercy and have been sanctified by the work of the Holy Spirit live and reign in communion with God forever. Those who turned away from Him are either destroyed or eternally punished (there's theological debate here, I myself don't care because it doesn't apply to me)
>>153896774projecting brown jew. Also circumsision is literally in the bible, and it helps reduce the urge to masturbate. Why do you think the more cucked nations do less of it?
Reminder that>Christ was a brown jew>Christianity is globally a nigger and spic religion>The few white people who are christian are stupid retarded jew worshipers and should be mocked and belittled for it
>>153896794They don't worship Him, accept His resurrection, or acknowledge His divinity, therefore, they do not know Him.
>>153896806>non-brown countries are cuckedHmm.
>>153896789I'm White and all my friends are White and my entire family is White. I could punch you so hard you'd die. Just keep that in mind, atheist shitskin. Christians are superior than you.
>>153896806>Defends circumcisionLmaoThat should have been the end of the thread honestly.Spiritually jewish to the CORE!!
I see mossad has started their demoralisation efforts in this thread.READ THE BIBLE.ACCEPT CHRIST INTO YOUR HEART.REJECT THE ANTICHRIST.BECOME BASED.
>>153896654I was gonna go on a bit about UAPs, but I thought "no way these people are retarded enough that I need to do it, yeah?"No, turns out you are.UFOs/UAPs are exactly what I said, an incomplete picture of a completely mundane (as in, mysterious but not supernatural) phenomenon. By the way, aliens, should they exist, are not supernatural. They are natural, just from somewhere else.The absolute wildest conclusion you can get draw from the mystery of UAPs is that somewhere in this planet or another, there's someone with technology more advanced than we're aware of.But nothing in there is demons.
>>153896754>>153896774Nice coping
>>153896825I doubt that. I think you are a disgusting slimy shitty shitskin.>you're brown!!!!!Projecting brown jew loving nigger
There are two problems Christians have yet to solve. The problem of evil/suffering, which they’ve tried to knock down for nearly two thousand years and while there’ve been some real heaters from apologists, they’ve never quite cracked.The other problem is the problem of eternity which I rarely see any of them tackle. The problem is thus: how can mortal life and eternity both be meaningful experiences if eternity is decided by mortal life? If the only opportunity for change and growth is in your mortal life, how can eternal life be considered “life”? To be alive is to change, and to be subject to change. Eternity cannot coexist with that fact, it is an inherently meaningless experience. God cannot change either because to change is to imply some sort of imperfection, and God cannot be imperfect. But to be alive is to be imperfect, and God cannot be alive.
>>153896815>>153896827Stop your fanfics
>>153896854No, the true problem christians have yet to solve is that they, in 2026, still worship a brown jew lol!Imagine that! Worshipping a brown circumcised jew!!!
>>153896827White people circumsise our White children.>BUT IN EUROPE WE DON'T DO THAT!!!don't care, your cucked and brown
>>153896801>reign in communion with God forever.Doing what? What do they do while reigning in communion with God? What does it mean to reign forever? What meaning is there in that?
>>153896584Sure. I'm a rationalist, materialist atheist, and I say TND. Also some other demographics. It's imperative for the survival of the species, let alone the nation.
>>153896869Amerimutts aren't white. They have never been white. You aren't white.
>>153896867You lost
>>153896870Your alternative is burning forever in the lake of fire. It's a pretty easy choice. Please find Christ, I will pray for you. I pray you can be saved.
>>153896886Nope, you lost. You're brown and brown people ALWAYS lose.You also have a mutilated penisHahahaha
>>153896899Still you
>>153896874atheism is all about worshipping niggers instead of God though. You're lying.
>>153896894What meaning would burning forever have?
>>153896906How come? I'm not the shitskin with the mutilated penis! You are!You're a shitskin with a mutilated penis that worships a dead jew!! haha!
>>153896844>(as in, mysterious but not supernatural)This is a statement made on faith. No way you can know that.
It's so funny when brown muslim sub 40 IQ retards come on here and try to pretend Americans are the brown ones. KEK. America is a White, Christian nation. You lost.
>>153896910Christians are the ones kissing the feet of niggers and welcoming them in their countries and praying to a brown inbred nigger jew and all his brown inbred nigger jew friends though.>>153896937America is a brown nation. America is less than 50% white. Europe is over 90% white.
>>153896874>imperative for the survival of the speciesYou’d condemn all of mankind to suffer and die in pointless war to satisfy your own dipshit biases.
>>153896912Well it would be extremely painful. Please read the bible. Just go on youtube and search up "what happens if I don't repent before dying"
>>153896867Jesus literally killed 99% of humans in Noah’s time because he considered them to be too inhuman to breed.
>>153896948you're trying too hard, jew.Hitler was a Christian.
>>153896952No just the nigs, sandnigs, and nosenigs. Maybe the Chinese.
>>153896953>it would be extremely painfulFor you.
>>153896961Nice jewish fanfic, he still was a brown circumcised jewish rabbi killed by aryan romans.It will be so nice when all the brown jews(like you) get killed again...
>>153896953I’m going to let you in on a secret, and I think it’s important you know this: if there is nothing a person can do to deserve Heaven without the intervention of God, then there is nothing a person can do to deserve Hell without the intervention of God.
hey guys racism is against the board rules.cut it out
>>153896965Hitler was a Pagan, part of the Aryan Germanic mysteries.But you don't have a racial consciousness, being a parasitic jew. That is what jews are, a race of parasites.
/pol/GODS won/co/fails lost.
Remember that this brown nigger jew ADMITTED he is proud of his mutilated penis because his jewish master told him to in his retarded little jew book!!!!!!!
>>153896971Yes, trying to kill all black people, Jewish people, and Chinese people would cause the end of mankind as a species. Moreover, the rest of humanity would find common and morally correct cause in killing you and ensuring your bloodline dies forever. And you’re not competent enough to win that fight.
>>153896977literal demon. It's so simple: anyone who doesn't want to be on fire forever in a pit of lava can just repent. It's so easy and simple. The fact you want to stop people doing that proves just how evil you are.
Why does the Jewish god crave foreskins so much?
>>153897016why? black people jewish people and chinese people aren't human?
>>153897017why did god make the fire pit?
>>153897028Because jews are all, yes, all, inbred and homosexual, and so is their god.Jesus is an inbred homosexual brown kike.
Please let this thread end
>>153897017>stop thinking, it’s just so easy and simple! Stop questioning it! Doing your best Screwtape impression?
>>153896925There's no reason to conclude there's anything supernatural about them.They're objects that move in ways that our current engineering cannot replicate, with our current materials and fuels. All it takes is some advancement in those fields (which is not to say it's easy) and the "anomalous" behaviors of UAPs are explained.Therefore, they're "mundane".It takes no faith to reach that conclusion. But jumping from "we don't have the tech to change direction that fast" to "it's fucking demons, man" is a retarded position.
>>153897031They are, and trying to cause their extermination would only result in your own.
>>153897017>you have to worship my brown homsoexual jew otherwise you will burn forevah!!!!lol no
>>153896953>Well it would be extremely painful.Baneposting
>>153896974Jesus is going to kill this whole world again because they are too inhuman for him.He is the God that created everything. And now that the most stable and purist crop, the white race, that reflected him the most is getting dismantled by Satan’s genetic subversions, he’s not delaying his genocide on this world. Or else, as he prophesied, no flesh could be saved.Can I tell you the most shocking thing? The fathers of the blacks were the most capable people ever, till their genealogy was destroyed by mixing with hybrids and inhumans. Like their skin had foreshadowed, they flew so close to the skin and gotten burnt.
Everyone who posts in this thread MUST denounce the Torah and the Quran and every single teaching and word in both of them.It be very funny who few of the so called "atheists" can'd do this for some reason...
>>153897093Jesus sounds fickle and petty.
>>153897075>It takes no faith to reach that conclusion.It takes faith to believe that advancement to this degree is even possible. Since our technology cannot replicate it or explain it, it is a faith-based statement to say that it one day will.
>>153897088No they aren't? White people are the only humans, everything else is some subhuman half-ape.And a unified Aryan race could decimate them all. Easily.>>153897093Lol, nice coping fanfic, your religion is for and by brown nigger jews.>The fathers of the blacks were the most capable people ever, till their genealogy was destroyed by mixing with hybrids LMFAO YOU CANT MAKE THIS UPNot only do you worship jews you also worship niggers? Christcucks are so pathetic.
>>153897042>>153897070>>153897089You all have sub 50 IQs. I would tell you to read the Bible but I expect you can't read. I wish we could block all your shithole countries from the internet so I didn't have to read your retarded babble.
>>153887012>was any of his theology actually wrong?Yes. He wasnt a catholic, the true christian faith
>>153897105I denounce the Torah and the Qoran and the Talmud AND the Bible.They're all retarded sandnigger fairy tales anyways. The particular permutation of sandnigger fairy tales is irrelevant lol.>>153897131Cope, the most christian nations on earth are brown, the most christian people are spics and niggers lol
>>153897105Okay. It's all Abrahamic nonsense anyway.This is the weirdest gotcha.
I just wanted people to post funny Jack Chick comics. No one even posted the DND one we just got Lisa twice
Atheists are evil demons, perhaps worse than trannies. Anyone who identifies as an "atheist" should be bullied and hurt by White Christian men. We cannot allow them to destroy America. DEUS VULT!
>>153897122>No they aren't? White people are the only humans, everything else is some subhuman half-ape.>And a unified Aryan race could decimate them all. Easily.They are human and have the same capacity for good, evil, intelligence and stupidity that you have. If you tried to kill them all, most white people would not join you, and they would find common cause with other peoples to kill you and ensure your ideology dies with you.
>>153897075>But jumping from "we don't have the tech to change direction that fast" to "it's fucking demons, man" is a retarded position.Both are normative statements based on faith. My statement of, "It's aligns with the descriptions of 4-Dimensional Cross sections in 3D space, which could be explained as spiritual entities interacting with our universe" is as logical as "It's advanced technology that we'll one day before able to replicate" both are based on inferences, not evidence. You're strawmanning my argument because you don't want to admit that. You also called the idea that anyone would bring up UAPs retarded because you thought an ad hominem would help you. It does not.
>>153897151Nope, you did this. This is what your actions directly lead to.>>153897159LmaoSure buddy
>>153897131why did god make the fire pit?
>>153897151ok here. you deserve it for how shit this thread turned out.
>>153897155There's no such thing as a white christian. All christians are brown or spiritually brown. It is a slave religion after all.
>>153897170im sorry. I though making the op kind of inflammatory would be good bait and I guess it was but just not for what I wanted
>>153897151That's >>>/tg/This is /co/.
>>153897181
>>153897116He halted his wrath for centuries for a people that mocked him endlessly on every banner, sign, song, and platform. He tolerated the existence of literal abominations for thousands of years till he considers them too unstable to ignore.He is much better than you. And right now, you a fickle and petty bitch to him just because he cannot stand the idea of his creation being completely twisted beyond repair. Are you retarded?
>>153897117There's no faith to it. There's no claim that we WILL reach that level of advancement.But we know what it would take to do what the UAPs do, we understand the underlying physics of it. We know what we would need in order to replicate it, and we're working on it. And we know all that because we've studied the natural world and the laws of physics. Based on all that knowledge, we can make hypothesis and test them. Then we adjust based on the results that we get.We don't know that we'll achieve it, but we're trying.It's the absolute opposite of faith.
>>153897192>Best laid plans of mice and menAccurately demonstrates why we cannot trust in our own righteousness.
>>153897211No, jesus was a brown homosexual jew, and you're either brown and jewish yourself or duped by brown jews into believing brown jewish fairy tales.
>>153897211Creation is a reflection of the creator, if he believes his creation has become twisted beyond redemption, he should wonder if he himself deserves redemption.
Christianity is the most white religion. Atheists want to destroy the most white religion but actively try to protect muslims. isn't that funny? I though they just hated religion? Hmmm I'm noticingatheists cant refute this
>>153897213>we understand the underlying physics of itNo we fucking don't, that's a big part of the point of what UAPs and UFOs even are. You're making a retard of yourself to try to win, just stop.
>>153897181KJV is just one translation of the Bible out of many.
>>153897227>a brown homosexual jewWell that's just redundant
Reminder he DEFENED genital mutilation!How much more cucked can one possibly get? He APPRECIATES the fact his cockskin got cut off because the bible said so!Marked cattle.
>>153897236What about Norse Paganism?
>>153897213>know what it would take to do what the UAPs do, we understand the underlying physics of it.Enormous news for the UAP community. The mystery has been solved, apparently. It's all just physics™ and we can stop thinking about it at that.
>>153897171Capitalise God.Our Lord God created Hell because of the fact he granted humans free will. This is simple thelogoy. It's funny how much atheists just cant understand basic concepts. No wonder you reject God like the little toddlers you are, its pathetic.I also see you accept Hell is a real place, further showing atheist lies.
>>153897236Nope, it is christians who welcome muslims into white countries by the truckloads, because islam and christianity are the same, they both worship jews.>>153897246Indeed
>>153897275why did god make people who he knew upon making them would go to the fire pit
>>153897122>>153897159>>153897170Ladies, ladies.The Nazi-wannabe cannot believe that Jesus is a genocidal God that wants the purity of his creation to be intact. The man that underestimates how inhuman and corrupted the seed of man is when Jesus referred to our age being the age of Noah.You’re both are fools looking at to men that will never perform the brutality peace and purity demands. Only God is willing to do that.
>>153897275Your fake sandnigger fairy tale character created nothing, you worship a jewish cadaver and mutilated your own penis to be in line with the teachings of inbred middle eastern goarfuckers
>>153897275Why would granting us free will cause us to choose evil, when we were made in the image of God?
>>153897275>thelogoyNice typo, Jew.
>>153897294Cause they were needed to get the crops that will be good. Duh.
>>153897296Jesus is not a god, he is a brown homosexual jew. As are you.
>>153897294Probably infinite reasons, but ine thay comes to mind is that He knew it was for the best for those He wanted to live in communion with that they have examples of what happens if you're a big selfish fuck-off retard.
>>153897299I wouldn’t be surprised if you were a gay furry.
>>153897328>cropsDoes god want to eat us?
>>153897315I didn't actually know if I could make the bait more obvious after the baneposting but thought this was somewhat clever.
>>153897352I wouldn't be surprised if you were a nigger. A bantu, knuckle-dragging gorilla nigger.
>>153897363I do not come form the line of Ham.
>You're the nigger jew for being a christian>No, YOU'RE the nigger jew for not being a christianIs this what /pol/ is actually like
>>153896994Nope
>>153897337>I created imperfect beings with hopes and dreams and feelings and desires only to send them to torture for all eternity to act as examples of what not to do for beings who are infinitesimally less imperfect than the ones I condemned. >yes, I am Goodness itself
>>153897390I never said he was infected blood.I said he was a gay man that wanted to fuck animals.
>>153897381Ken Ham?
>>153897381I don't care from which inbred jewish lineage you come from lmao. You are AFRICAN. A dirty african nigger pretending he's white.
>>153897390Yes, and it gets worse there every day.
>>153897337>Omnipotent, omniscient>Can't create good people without creating bad people whose purpose is to be tortured forever as an exampleI mean, I know we're not gonna break any new ground in theological discourse in a fucking 4chan /co/ thread, but your argument was refuted by Epicurus before Christianity even existed.
>>153897410Ham is the guy that put his dick in Noah’s wife and bragged about it.
>>153897390It's somehow even more retarded than that, they also spend a lot of time whining and writing stream of consciousness essays that could probably be published as modernist literature. It's fun to lurk for a few minutes every now or then. I feel like everyone without a mental disability left years ago but hey that's the whole website I guess.
>>153897401This is an objectively good thing because people like that, do, in fact deserve eternal torment and/or destruction. I'm not going to feel bad for it because they choose it.
>>153897406I'm not the one with a mutilated penis in the name of my sand nigger god tho. That's the gayest thing ever, sacrificing your foreskin to your god lmao, and you call ME a faggot!
>>153897438Seems like you deserve it more than them.
>>153897414I look like Leonardo DeCaprio to the degree I hate it. What do you look like?
>>153897420>God doesn't do something>Therefore He can't Aww, it's like a baby trying to speak at the big boy table for the first time.
>>153897434That motherfucker.
>>153897451Brendan Fraeser.
>>153897449Well actually, yes. We all do. But Christ offers us mercy and rescues us if we choose to accept Him.Weak accusation, but you actually touched on theological truth on accident lmao.
jannies please do your fucking job what a useless nigger of a thread
>>153897487I’m going to refer you to the post I already made: >>153896977
>>153897457Your god can't "do" anything because he is a sandnigger fairytale buddy.
>>153897449>Almost understanding mercy in a vain attempt to fling an accusationLmao it's gotta hurt being so impotent
>>153897457The question is why would he?What would be the purpose unless he enjoys torturing people.
>>153897445Circumcising wasn’t supposed to take so much skin. Just a bit of it to represent the death of pleasure for faith and the pain in dwelling in it. A reflection of how God’s life would’ve become, for be dying on the cross in the end.They took so much skin these days because they misunderstood the command or twisted it to use the foreskins of babies for their disgusting products.
>>153897501Yeah, and I'm sure that sounded smart to you, because you've been trained to think inversion = intelligent, but our sinful nature actually means we all deserve Hell and God isn't to blame for that, but our free will is.
>>153897469You’re more feminine looking than me? The fuck?
I have never seen a White atheistAnd no, europoors aren't White. All the White Europoors left for America or killed each other in world war 2 which was the last hope for Europe.
>>153897514It was some kind of weird fetish thing?You people are sick.
>>153897514>still defending itLMFAOYou have a mutilated cock because your gay faggot sandnigger god(fake) DEMANDED it. You are forever marked as spiritual cattle for listening to the ramblings of retarded kike fairy tales and cutting your cock(like a tranny) for it.Maybe that's what yhwh is, the tranny god
>>153897509Because it's an ontological necessity of our ability to choose not to be with God. Gotta have somewhere to go if not to Him. If He's the source of all that's good, then it'll be a bad place. Easy.
>>153897445Continuing from this: >>153897514And Jesus and his followers outright said it was pointless to perform the practice after the cross happened.
>>153897533You don’t actually deserve to be tortured for all eternity. There is not a single thing you can do to deserve it. No matter what you do in life, you could press a button to kill everyone right now, you still wouldn’t deserve it. That’s the nature of eternity.
>>153897334You are
>>153897559New Covenant stays winning.
>>153897542I have never seen a White christkike. And no, amerimutts aren't white, they are mixed race inbred niggers. All the white ones died in the civil war(a war for nigher rights)
>>153897569>And I base that on absolutely nothing.Wrong. Everyone deserves eternal justice.
>>153897578Nice seething
>>153897569It's your own fault though. If you don't want to be tortured for eternity, just repent and accept Christ. Why will you not do that? You are the illogical one here.
>>153897569And yet YOU still did it, and YOU still defend it. Because you are a jew.
>>153897558Why does our ability to choose not to be with God disappear once we die? How can someone make a choice once and have to deal with that choice for eternity?
>>153897569>I don't deserve this sentence!-Every convicted criminal ever
>>153897595Nice coping.>>153897597Meant for >>153897559
>>153897558But why the burning pit of eternal torture?Why not just outright cessation of existence?Or some kind of reincarnation for us to try again?
>>153897544No. Life in the blood. So when you cut the small piece of foreskin… blood/life leaves it.It was a time when people performed orgies and sex to worship the fallen angels. So God made a direct opposite command to reflect his holiness in that lowly pleasures are not how you honor him. Surrendering them is.
>>153897592Justice and eternity are diametrically opposed. Justice (and meaning in general) cannot be found within eternity, it can only be found within finitude.
>>153897604Thems the terms. You can't pretend you didn't understand the contract when we've all been told the terms.
>>153897614Because it's a retarded sandnigger religion designed to keep goycattle like him stupid and complacent.All christians are jew slaves. And brown.
>>153897610What kind of crime deserves infinite punishment?
>>153897620>My retarded sandnigger god demands I cut my dick off and it's morally right.Uh-huhYou worship a tranny god.
>>153897625>Arbitrary baseless assertion
>>153897614>why did God do this??only a child thinks this way. We cannot know why God does what he does.Also it's so funny how atheists instantly drop their "God doesn't exist!" nonsense and actually know in their hearts all along that God is real, but they just hate him. Why do you hate God? It's like you actually want to burn forever. Why do you want that?
>>153897610In the face of eternity, everything you have ever done is meaningless in comparison. And if the opposite is true, everything you have ever done is meaningful, then there is nothing you can do in eternity that can have meaning. It’s just death dressed in fine linens.
>>153897614You know how so many people struggle to ever permanently kill their characters and decide to go with fates worse than death?That’s the nature of God in display.
>>153897652A crime with infinite consequences (Per the butterfly effect, any criminal action taken on a linear timeline)
>>153897660No one is dropping anything you moron, this is called arguing in hypotheticals, something your retarded brown mind can't possibly fathom due to the fact niggers and sandniggers are all sub 50 iq retards.
>>153897627The terms are a lie.>>153897659It’s a logical assertion. Does eternity of have meaning, or does mortality have meaning? It can’t be both.
>>153897652>hey man I will give you all of my love and everything you have ever wanted and your entire existence, and all I ask of you is to repent for your OWN wrongdoings and love me back.>WAAAAA I'M NOT DOING THAT WAAAA YOU WANT ME TO BURN IN HELL EVEN THOUGH THAT'S MY OWN DOING BECAUSE I SINNED AND YOU ACTUALLY OFFER TO REMOVE THOSE SINS BUT IM JUST NOT GOING TO DO THAT AND THEN SAY YOU'RE SENDING ME TO HELL EVEN THOUGH IM SENDING ME TO HELLyou're like an ungrateful child. It's so simple.
christinaity is a brown tranny jew cult
>>153897660It's called engaging with the narrative.Have you forgotten which board we're on?
>>153897666>satanic tripsWrong. Every action we take has meaning and infinite complex repercussions to those who come after us. It is the interplay between our mortality and the immortality of our souls that necessitates infinite judgement.
>>153897703comics are for babies, unless they're a comic version of bible stories which are acceptable for children and teens. Adults should graduate to reading the bible though.
>>153897673If that is true, then said crime would have infinitely good and bad consequences, and those consequences would zero each other out.
>>153897697>My brown sandnigger tranny god is a jealous petty retard and my brown sandnigger tranny book told me you'll burn in hell for rejecting xirlol
>>153897687>It can’t be both.Yes, it can.
>>153897728renounce the talmud.
>>1538976552 I sleep, but my heart waketh: it is the voice of my beloved (Jesus) that knocketh, saying, Open to me, my sister, my love, my dove, my undefiled: for my head is filled with dew, and my locks with the drops of the night.3 I have put off my coat; how shall I put it on? I have washed my feet; how shall I defile them?4 My beloved put in his hand by the hole of the door, and my bowels were moved for him.
>>153897717>adults should graduate to reading bronze age inbred jewish goatfucker schizobabblelmao!Reminder globally niggers and spics make up the majority of chrisitans!
>>153897727>those consequences would zero each other out.>y=x+1If both y and x are equal, this proves that infinite does not mean equal and consequences have meaning in eternity.
>>153897743You first.It's literally the same god.
>>153897729No, it can’t. To be alive is to be able to change. If the consequences of your mortal actions result in you being unable to change for eternity, whether you’re in heaven or hell, then you’re not alive.
>>153897743Jews have renounced the Talmud for being too stupid.
>>153897743I renounce the talmud and all other permutations of retarded sandnigger kike schizobabbleJesus is still a brown nigger jew, as are you.What now?
>>153897757Mathematical bitchslap. Watch these retards seethe.
>>153897749>t. has never read the Bibleyou really should.Please answer this question honestly. Just say yes or no. Don't try to wriggle your way out of it.Do you want to live for eternity suffering, being horribly tortured and burned forever? Yes or no?
>785 postsMods and admins are fags.
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>>153897767Do you think the angels are sexy?
>>153897757Incorrect, as both infinities (that is, the infinitely good consequences of your action and the infinitely bad consequences of your action) cancel each other out, and all that’s left is the original crime. And a crime perpetrated in finite time necessitates finite punishment.
>>153897757It always comes down to math.
>>153897785I don't have to answer your retarded questions. How about you answer mine: Why do you pretend you're white when you're clearly brown and jewish?
>>153897800Republican Jesus says no.
ITT Richard Dawkins was right.
>>153897800Love is what God offers. Atheists reject it because they hate him, because they know they have sinned and can't face that fact.
>>153897810>And a crime perpetrated in finite time necessitates finite punishment.Based on absolutely nothing.
I hope one day will all be happy
>>153897807They're jewish fairy tales so no, probably not.
>>153897827As always.
>>153897612Fag
>>153897820Christianity is the religion of Whites. i am White. You don't even capitalise the word White, which proves to me that you have no pride in your race. Learn history. All great White men were and are Christians.
>>153897828doesn't that make you sad?
>>153897810>a crime with perpetual repercussions necessitates finite punishment.No
>>153897845I bet you have an image of a sexy demon, a fallen angel, in your hands.
>>153897860Nope. you are brown and I am White. Post your hand so I may mock your kike brownness.
>>153897701Stop projecting >>153897709Faggot >>153897852Nope
>>153897835Based on the logic that your God allegedly imbued us both with. You already tried to argue that since the crimes we perpetrate have infinite consequences and thus infinite punishment is necessary, it would follow that if they did not result in infinite consequences (or if those consequences on an infinite timeline cancel each other out), then it leaves only a finite crime, and finite consequences.
>>153897861Yes but only God can save these sinners, and they reject him. When they are dragged down to the lake of fire to burn for all eternity it will be sad but I will not shed a tear for them, because they knew what they did and could have avoided it.it's like if a crazy person lay down in the road and you told them they could just stand up before getting ran over by cars but they say they don't want to. That's what atheists are really.
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>>153897886Defeated.
>>153897860christcuckery is the religion of spics and niggers lmaoaka jew slaves
>>153897860Comics are better than your faggotry
>>153897892I feel bad for them, but that's the way she goes.
>>153897886you're the one projecting when you're clearly a brown tranny jew
>>153897903Of courseAnd you hate Jesus?
>>153897867On a long enough timeline, the good consequences from a crime will be equal to the bad consequences. A negative infinity and a positive infinity cancel each other out. As someone else in the thread said, it all comes down to math.
>>153897886When has Dawkins ever been wrong?
>>153897905You are>>153897920Comics are better than your drivel
>>153897890>or if those consequences on an infinite timeline cancel each other out)They'll never cancel out the initial injustice of the commission of the crime in the first place. That's the +1
>>153897918Feel bad for yourself, you're the one duped by kike fairy talesYou're the one singing the praises of the spiritual shackles you've put on by worshipping that demonic jewish cadaver
Even AI believes in God. Atheists are delusional and so obviously misled by jews. I shall pray for all of you.
>>153897920Jesus is chill.His followers on the other hand.
>>153897930Yes, subhuman
>>153897943You sound like you're already burning
>>153897937Come on. You would put your legs down to Jesus to get something like her.
>>153897944AI also believes racism is bad and all humans are made equal, therefore AI is retarded.
>>153897940Yes, but you have to remember that the +1 is a finite integer. And if that is the case, then the justice for said finite crime is finite punishment.
