Can't tell you how incredibly funny this ivy interpretation is, like one of the closest we've gotten to her, being a heartless hardcore ecoterrorist she's supposed to be.

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>>153889008
>bratty hebe
Harley is Jewish, not Ivy, the only "religion" shes into is her devotion to nature.

>>153889008
Wasn't she a college-age activist old enough to drink?

>>153889140
no she was a 15 yo high schooler

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>>153889140
No her and Babs were 15. Her and Bab's origin are tied directly to each other because they used to be best friends, so Babs became Batwoman (everybody just called her Batgirl so she stuck with it) to try to save her friend from the abyss.

>>153889114
Not that kind of hebe.

>>153889114
Fucking retard

>>153889008
In Gotham? Yeah, but Catwoman was the hotter hebe in that show.

>>153889140
>>153889357
They were pretty explicitly stated to just have begun university

>>153889008
>never once interacts with her show's Harley
>still manages to have a yurilicious "I can fix her." friendship with Barbara
Pft!

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>>153893614
I'll never understand why Batman fans are so obsessed with "Horny Maneater: The Character" being a dyke

Can someone tell me when they made her a lesbian because i know that her disliking men and humans was part of her from the start

>>153893622
Pamela always had a sympathetic edge to her(eco activism, betrayed by a lover), so her already highly popular relationship with Harley served as a convenient way to ease readers into her transition into anti-hero territory.

>>153893914
She's bisexual. And it was arguably either B:TAS or Harley Quinn #1.

>>153893967
>She's bisexual. And it was arguably either B:TAS or Harley Quinn #1.
Really because i thought she only fuck men to make them do what she wanted them to do but this is coming from someone who only seen some episode of BTAS, that 2004 show and brave and the bold

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>>153893967
Her eco activism is trying to murder every human on earth and her powers are essentially mind raping men. Of all Batman villains she was depicted as one of the least sympathetic.

And who do they pair her with for her redemption? Of all characters? The childkiller who's whole deal is being romantically obsessed with a man.

Its so retarded

>>153893614
>never once interacts with her show's Harley
Unless you count the tie-in comics.

>>153894003
That what you get from bad Tumblr fanfic writers

>>153894010
Why would you count slop put out by writers not considered good enough to work on the show?

>>153893967
The relationship with Harley was friendly in B:TAS. In the DCAU comics they were shipped together hard, but homosexuality itself wasn't taken seriously and neither was their relationship; it was all fantasy aimed at the young boys and teens who would be picking up the comic. Eventually we moved to an era where we can't just ogle female characters anymore and they took it as an opportunity to say "look at us! we're ahead of the curve! we had LGBQ characters before it was cool!"

>>153894025
You are slop

>>153894135
Didn't Tolkien say something about people who think all friendships must be sexual don't truly know what it mean to have friends or something

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>>153889008
Yes, I do.

>>153889140
Which is the more truer approach to Poison Ivy as her origin story was about being a college freshman who got experimented on which got her plant pheromones powers.

>>153893614
>>still manages to have a yurilicious "I can fix her." friendship with Barbara
That did not happen.

>>153894135
>In the DCAU comics they were shipped together hard
Nah, they just lived together and helped each other fight Batman.

>>153889008
cute vs >>153894388 uggo, cute wins

>>153889008
The fuck is a hebe

>>153894904
A person in the early stages of puberty, usually between 10 and 14.

>>153893967
>to ease readers into her transition into anti-hero territory.
Why would she need to be an anti-hero?

>>153894974
Just what so sexy about that

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damn BRAT... speaking this way to an adult...!!!!!!!!!!!

>>153894388
Fuck I had forgotten about this crap

>>153889140
>>153889357
Barbara was a high schooler, Ivy was a college freshman. The age difference was something that bothered Jim Gordon, he considered her a bad influence.

they should've leaned more into her femme fatale element
you know
for the growing young boys

>spanking
>doggy anal
>mating press creampie
there
she's now corrected

>>153889008
Why doesn't Jim Gordon just rape Poison Ivy

>>153889008
Did they want Batman to beat up a kid/teenager? If not why do this?

And why Ivy specifically?

>>153896270
to give barbara a personal villain

>>153895667
Is she Hebe

>>153893967
>to ease readers into her transition into anti-hero territory.
Why?

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>>153896318
She is 16 so technically no

>>153896360
No i was talking about the green one

>>153896318
Isley is an English surname, so no. Harley is the Jew.

>>153896409
gross

Harley is for batman

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OYYYYY VEEEEY MISTAH JAAAAAAAAAAAAY *eats your foreskin*

I prefer Absolute Poison Ivy.
Nature personified (not just plants) and makes Alexia Ashcroft look extremely tame.

>>153896444
no one wants to read your wannabe manga

>>153896477
Then why does it sell like hot-cakes?

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This show had such radical interpretations of the villains but when the actual JL shows up they were pretty staid in appearance, they should have gone crazier with them.

DC will get readers back if they split up Ivy and Harley its just the way.

>>153889066
Well, it was pretty cute and funny

>>153896498
By this point, Alan Burnett had taken over as showrunner and he wanted it to look and feel more traditional, old man that he was. They even made Batman's chin a square instead of a triangle. The show was wilder when Duane Capizzi was in charge.

>>153893614
Dumbass shit eater

>>153896496
it doesn't

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This is what this Batman will look like in the far off year of 2027

saaaar lesbos

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>>153896588

>>153896640
riiiiiight

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>153896873
that was a good episode
a classic joker story

Was this show actually good? I feel like the only thing anyone even remembers was rasta Joker and brush it off, including myself.

>>153897196
yeah

>>153897196
Seasons 2 and 4, a handful of episodes from the odds.

>>153889114
That's heeb, retard. Hebe is late teens.

Ivy cute, need Ivy gf. Thank you, that is all

>>153890127
>>153891622
>>153898960
When the fuck did we make a new term? I thought under 16 was loli.

>>153889008
Wasn't /co/ super big on shipping them as well at some point?
>>153889066
Ivy now isn't even a character except to be harley's carpet muncher

>>153900218
Well there has been more hate for the lolifags, so they call them hebes I assume to not to be associated with more "low" loli fans. Though really hard to keep track I'd imagine

>>153889008
>Remember that time Ivy was a bratty hebe?
Yes... but DC doesn't. It's a shame the 2004 series gets zero love from DC. I'm genuinely amazed we got a reprint series of the tie-in comic relatively recently.

>>153897196
It's no BTAS, but it's fun.
My biggest complaint is that, by the time the show's OCs start becoming interesting characters, they get written off and replaced with more familiar faces.

>>153900218
three scales, toddler, loli, hebe.

Bit of an overlap between the latter two though.

>>153901218
The original loli was 12-14 in the novel.

>>153900218
It's been a matter of debate for psychologists and sociologists, but everyone knows there is a clear difference between wanting to fuck a literal child and a bratty teenager who does have a concept and desire for sex.

Granted, you shouldn't go after either, but if the former titilates you, you deserve the noose.

>>153901269
you assume anyone using the term read the novel in the first place, where they'd know the subtext is vastly different from this debate

it's more grooming and predatory behavior than outright pedophilia but the main character is a fucking lunatic all things considered

>>153895011
>>153896329
Because you've heard of her, and propping up more obscure characters is like, really haaard.

Y'know, something I really respect about the Harley Quinn Show is that it NEVER has Ivy do any anti-hero stuff. The only even vaguely heroic actions she ever takes are literally only to please Harley or out of hard pragmatism. Otherwise she stays a villain through and through.

They made a feminine Riddler but had Robert Englund voice him how fucked is that

>>153901269
The original novel has very little to do with the modern lolicon

>>153894388
Harley wanted to fuck her!

>>153901618
He was modeled after Marilyn Manson, being scary was the goal.

She was cuter pre-transformation.

>>153900218
https://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/bering-in-mind/pedophiles-hebephiles-and-ephebophiles-oh-my-erotic-age-orientation/

>>153902312
Isn't Michael Jackon's case heavily contested because everyone involved is a scum fuck?

I suppose Blanchard's colleagues are all women

>>153902372
neverminding the Jackson slander, the article was the fastest one I could find that explained the differences and went out of the way to explain that there is conflict in the scientific community as to whether to place ephebophiles as mentally ill (even goes a step forward and says this conflict extends to hebephiles)

>>153902410
Fucking children is indisputably unnatural. At least in regards to humans. It's simple unproductive behavior that produces dysfunctions. Teenagers is another story because it's only until recently did we decide that's not okay because a bunch of women bitched about it. Look it up.

>>153889066
Yup Uncle Ted would be proud of this Ivy, hell she would totally break him outta super super max prison. Hoping he could be a father figure for her. They'd make a fun duo committing ecoterrorism together, proper ecoterrorism too.

I hope someone uses this Ivy concept again.

>>153901218
It's pedo, hebe, ephebo. Pre-adolescent, adolescent and late-adolescent, respectively.

What's truly bizarre is how recently people have retaliated against even showing the slightest interest towards the underage when jailbait was an accepted and wide-spread concept in the early 2000s due to the uprise in sexual abuse in the mid to late 2010s.

>>153889008
if I was robin in this show id betray batman and fugg her

>>153902834
I’d read or watch that. I like that, dramatic, enemies to lovers type stories. Either her corrupting him or him turning her good

>>153903076
it starts with her corruppting and seducing, it ends with him turning her good. Absolute kino.

>>153903096
>Once I get Robin under my thumb they’ll be easy pickings!
>*A few dates later*
>Oh my god he’s actually really sweet what the fuck. Maybe I can just keep him around? Yeah I’ll do that. Not cause I like him or anything, I’ll just need someone to watch out for me yeah
>*More time later*
>And then when I take over Gotham me and Robin will have a beautiful wedding and rule over everything together
>*Even more time later*
>I might have to rethink a few things

Meanwhile with Robin
>Man, Ivy is so cool. I wonder if she’d like the circus?

>>153903310
>Robin the only way you can stop my plans is to say you’ll be my boyfriend! MUAHAHAHAHA!!
>Oh no! Dang it I guess I have to! Darn! This is the worst! Don’t try and stop me Batman I have to do it for the sake of the city!

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damn brat!!!!!! hmmmmmmm!!!!!

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>>153889008
>take the Batman villain most associated with femininity, seduction and raw sex appeal
>make her an underaged girl
literally what on earth did they mean by this

>>153904724
what do you think?
like it or not, a woman's fertility window is ridiculously low compared to a man's

>>153904724
She was an 18 year old college student.

>>153905337
no she wasn't

>>153896393
No, she's just petite. She's like several years too old.

>>153904724
She seduces and kills all the industry CEOs polluting the world by pretending to be an Epstein traffickee.

>>153905456
lol

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>>153903310
very cute. Meanwhile Batman is tearing his hear out banning Robin from visiting her.
>Youre not my dad!!

>>153905456
Un ironically based

>>153905348
Yes she was, her bio on the old The Batman web site said as much. They weren't going to have Batman fight an underaged girl.

>>153896444
I like the idea but why batman mean to her? That one did almost nothing wrong

>>153896498
The 5th season could've been saved if instead of turning the show into dcau justice league lite, just add clayface 1 to the bat family instead because the second one doesn't even fucking talk anymore

>>153905592
Here's the interview to back it up https://dcanimated.com/WF/thebatman/backstage/interviews/lopez.php
>Barbara is a 16-year-old gymnast; she’s not too tall and has straight red hair. We would put drawings next to Gordon and see which would work as his daughter. With this in mind you just let go, do a bunch of sketches and sooner or later you will hit the right one.

>For Batgirl I took a sketch that Jeff had done and put the costume on the Barbara model. We also created a homespun costume that she was to wear on her first night as a super hero, but it was taken out later on. One of the main things to keep in mind with her and Batman is the powerful silhouette. Batgirl had to be appealing at full detail and in shadow.

>Same thing with Pam, but in her case we had a 19-year-old rebel that loves plants. In the first designs for her she was a bit of a hippie, but later on I made her more grunge style, with baggie, torn pants and a ragged sweater. She doesn’t really care about her looks.
They didn't make it explicit in the episode, but the subtext was there. Pam used to be a juvie and had a juvie record, but she wasn't anymore. If she got arrested again she'd be going to real jail.

>>153905733
what the
that's stupid

>>153904695
Made for babs

>>153905844
It's not out of the ordinary for a high school senior to befriend a freshman and remain friends for a while. That was also the dynamic of the original Ultimate and Spectacular Peter Parker and Eddie Brock.

>>153889008
They should bring back Honeysuckle, Ivy's kid sidekick. It's the perfect time.

>>153905925
she looks even fucking younger than barbara

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>>153905956
They're just waif-like shorties. They're not going to get any taller or fill out more than this.

>>153893622
>>153893967
Reminder this character change came immediately on the heels of Pamela being raped for weeks by Clayface during No Man's Land.
It's not properly an 'empowerment' arc, and the writers leaning into that logic are lacking in awareness and are incredibly tone deaf.

>>153906082
...QRD?
pages?

>>153906082
Ivy remained a heterosexual villain for years after No Man's Land.

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>>153905456
This would actually be a fucking cool plot. How would batman deal with an ecoterroist who's obviously taking out bad people but the bad people are also key people in the function of Gothams economy who could just pay to win at trial.

>>153904724
>>153905337
>>153905348
>>153905398
>>153905592
>>153905733
>>153905844
>>153905956
>>153906027
She is 19 from what I researched also because this series has barely any young characters outfi of Barbara and Dick being shown to having parents

>>153906190
Bruce can just spend more money and pass it off as an equally corrupt attempt to eliminate a business rival than enforcing justice.

>>153906164
No she didn't. No Man's Land began the whole antihero protector of orphans bullshit and she hasn't appeared as a villain since well before then.

>>153906115
There's only five volumes of No Man's Land.
Stop being an illiterate poorfag.

>>153906400
>five volumes

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>>153906373
She had a soft spot for the kids, but she was still a bad guy. She an enemy to the police.
A few years later Paul Dini had her seducing guys, having them eaten alive in giant fly traps, and recording it so she could masturbate to it later.

>>153889114
harley is not jewish because one rouge writer inserted it even if it does make sense because of jews having high level of schizophrenia

>>153906855
Her creator Paul Dini said it and he created the character as an insert for his Jewish friend Arleen Sorkin.

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>>153906082
meh, i was hoping for more

>>153902641
>Yup Uncle Ted would be proud
You don't understand his ideology at all. You probably didn't even read his manifesto.

>>153903310
Why do people think psychopathic narcissists can have cutesy relationships outside of garbage booktok fiction?

>>153907429
because most peoples' ideas of psychopath narcissists are those with BPD
so every woman in existence

>>153894177
Think it was CS Lewis.

>>153907429
Honestly it’s just a bit of fun I guess. Not taking it really all that seriously, just think it’s a fun/cute idea. In the actual canon both comics and show it wouldn’t work but I’d be impressed if they pulled off an Ivy and Robin relationship and have it actually be good and make sense

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>>153889008
Best Ivy

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>>153902717
OK man, you aren't wrong, but you sound like much more of a pedophile than the average lolicon. I salute you.

>>153889008
Yeah. I wish this idea had stuck around in more versions.

>>153906731
>few years later Paul Dini had her seducing guys, having them eaten alive in giant fly traps, and recording it so she could masturbate to it later.
Are you accurately summarizing these panels? Are we to believe Batman taught Robin about the birds and the bees by having him watch a snuff film of Ivy pleasuring herself while one of her giant plants eats one of her boyfriends?

>>153910380
unrelated but I love that death for Joe Chill. Created the bane of the kind of violent thug he was and they took it out of him with the same violent thuggery. Better than whatever the fuck they were doing in Three Jokers.

>>153910380
Isn't it kind of mean that Batman won't let a dying man be heard?

>>153911175
That's Tim Drake, he was a teenager and his ex-girlfriend already got pregnant by another man before he met her, he knew how it worked.

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This is my Ivy.

>>153894388
Wasn’t she also a brat in Gotham?

>>153904695
Made for Breeding

>>153912092
So he's showing his son this video to make sure his son develops really dark sexual fetishes? Batman isn't a really great dad

>>153912222
Was just thinking of that. Started out as a kid then got physically aged up like Arisia.

>>153913325
I was happy with Pam being just a background cameo who liked her plants in Gotham. They really didn't need to have his whole rogue's gallery get spotlight time.

>>153889008
Does anyone have an image of this poison ivy with boobs?

>>153912222
>>153913325
That shit was weird as fuck, because they aged her up specifically so they could sexualize the character. But she was mentally still a literal fucking child. And they just aired that shit on primetime Fox, and no one even cared. Just further proof that the entire anti pedo hysteria is entirely aesthetic

>>153917617
We need more fanart of her!

>>153915873
that selena also had a ridiculous ass for a 13 year old played by a 15 year old

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>>153905571
>No ward of the state of mine is going to date a criminal!
>Catwoman
>Go to your room

They compromise and he’s allowed to visit her in Arkham

>>153915873
They caught shit for that and backtracked their plans for her in season 3. She was supposed to seduce Bruce for her schemes, but they had her become Penguin’s wacky sidekick halfway through the season. Then they replaced the second actress to make Ivy a full-blown eco-terrorist for the rest of the series.

She still got to kiss a barely legal Bruce a couple of times though.

Huh. Is there any art of Harley/Ivy, but this show's versions?

>>153922578
KYS

>>153922390
lol, fairnuff. I didn't follow any of the discussion around that show while it was airing. The /tv/ threads were kinda fun to skim occasionally, just to see them tracking Penguins body count. But that quickly defolved into gay shipping, and the show went to shit, so I stopped following it week to week. I just marathoned it years after it wrapped up

>>153889008
A very rare case where "aging down" a character ended being a downgrade

>>153924214
nonsense

>>153924241
She looks worst as a hebe. If they kept her hair long it would have been an improvement.

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Why the fuck is the word "brat" sexual now? WHY?

>>153924372
the mesugaki(bratty slut) has been an been a common character archetype in japan/manga/anime for decades. But the word brat has been commandeered by zoomer nuspeak to mean basically the exact same thing. "Brat" in zoomer new speak is an adjective that means sexy young girl boss. It's a term of empowerment

>>153924372
Because of pedophile lolishitters.
They like talking about how "bratty" little girls need to be corrected via pedophile rape.

>>153924644
This

>>153889008
I liked this show

>>153893622
Any comics love interest that gets big enough eventually becomes bisexual, especially the anti-heroes and femme fatales.
>Poison Ivy
>Harley Quinn
>Catwoman
>Black Cat
>Mary Jane
etc., etc., etc.

>>153906731
>so she could masturbate to it later
W-wew...

>>153924372
Hasn't it always been for a while now? At least early 2000s

>>153925350
I hope they lose more money.

>>153924372
>>153924644
It's popular now because of pedoshitters, but being a "brat" has been a thing in BDSM for a while.

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>>153910380
>Batman waited until helpless old man Chill got his chest turned into Swiss cheese before he bothered to take down the thugs
Our hero, ladies and gentlemen.

>>153917967
Proof?

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>>153912222
She was, until she wasn't.

>>153913932
It's not like the show was lacking on femme fatales either.

>>153925632
https://youtu.be/FwyKZI23THY&t=37
https://youtu.be/RCPDgUesoEU&t=108

>>153925636
I'm not complaining with thighs like that.

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>>153894388
had the idea to incorporate Nina Cortex's design so to make it cuter in a goth brat kinda way

>>153926229
That's an interesting crossover.

>>153889008
>>153889066
One of the best incarnations of this character, she deserves much more popularity.

>>153907429
Its just a romance fantasy anon chill. And Ivy seems to be very happy with Harley proving she can do it without being such a psychopath or narcissist.

>>153919267
kek based

>>153924372
"Now"
I've been seeing brat used sexually since I raided my dad's playboy stash in the 90s

>>153926542
Thank you for coming to my defense anon. It’s just a fun little ship it’s not harming anyone

>>153897196
Seasons 1-4 are good. Season 5 is kinda weak but not terrible or anything.

>>153906027
>>153926384
I'm so used to Babs being the redhead with glasses it was a bit of a shock to me.