>”indie” cartoons
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It's honestly is crazy to me that the Ego Raptor vehicle already has the big panic attack scene in the fucking pilot. The same pilot that they also made the beach episode.
>>153894802yeah i dont really get why the fuck people keep having the realistic panic attack shit like
I wonder, has the rate of anxiety disorders increased over time? Or maybe it's stayed the same and people just talk about it more? This says that almost 30% of people in the U.S. have an anxiety disorder at least some point in their life: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/208678That's pretty high, innit? But maybe it's because our situation changed. What might have been a perfectly normal amount of anxiety back when you had to be worried about a sabertooth tiger eating you is now a pathological amount of anxiety
>>153894723We should have a realistic depiction of paranoid delusions. I want a character out on the street mumbling about being a targeted individual and getting angry at people who cough at them
>>153894840Of course it has increased, integrating your real world identity into social media at a young age is compulsory at this point. Everyone is essentially engaging with the stresses and concerns of active social interaction at all times without break. People aren't built to NO social downtime.
>4840>muh realism and relatability>citing citeslop zombiepill propaganda in big 2030 minus 4get with the times, unc
>panic attack>20-400 million views>no panic attack>100-900k viewsLooks pretty clear to me
>>153894723Sour grapes much?
>>153894906I watched it before knowing there was a panic attack and left Why is /co/ so allergic to media without panic attacks? Is this caused by nu adventure time?
>>153894836The gay puss in boots sequel made it trendy
I really did not think the Reboot ripoff would be one of these shows.
>>153894918Why are you mad about them?
I prefer unrealistic panic attacks.
kill 8 billion indie troons
I know that's Hazbib Hotel, Digital Circus and Gameoverse, but what's the fourth one?
Why do people let this "panic" attack them? Do they not know how to defend themselves?
>>153894953I'm not mad, as the OP points out, it's referring to the trend that every popular show has a "realistic panic attack," like my steaks, it is not rare and not done well, me see panic attack, me no watch>>153894970"Pretty Please I Don't Want to be a Magical Girl"
>>153894970It's garbage nobody cares about
One thing most of these shows have in common is having a lesbo protagonist, far lamer than any panic attack could hope to be
>>153894723Clearly you haven't seen real kino.
>>153895024No one's seen this shit at all anon
>>153895020I assume the statistically high rate of domestic abuse from lesbians leads to many if these panic attacks.
>>153895020is pomni really a lesbo
>>153894984It comes when your defenses are down. Like when you are asleep. And it takes a lot to defend against it.
>>153894984they don't have swords of revealing light
>>153895072Jax is a woman now so yes
>>153895020>>153894723Indie or not, shows try to appeal to what is trendy. Talking about and showing mental health issues and such are still mainstream nowadays, and so are the addition of inclusive stuff like LGBT presence and whatnot.The main difference is that indie shows have a bit more freedom to talk about that kind of thing, but the modern writers of the industry all have the same tendency to write and put the same things in their stories, be it an indie production or otherwise.
>>153895098>Not sleeping with defences upThat's their first mistake.>>153895133>Not having a weapon that can strike this foeTheir second mistake.
>>153894967Cope
>>153895293>Indie or not, shows try to appeal to what is trendy.Trendy amongst the mentally ill autists and women who watch cartoons*
Why is every cartoon made for mentally ill late thirties women who dress like their teenagers.
>>153895482Cause you get the industry you are willing to pay for and they are the only ones paying for cartoons these days
>>153895482because gen xers stopped making cartoons
Don't careRagapom hug went hard as fuck
>>153894964>panic attack and ends up with the person mindbroken and carted off to an insane asylum
>>153895482Because everyone else was driven off a decade ago.Kids stopped caring with the rise of social media and other free entertainment.Male teenagers think cartoons are gay they're right and went all-in on video games, tiktok, and anime, while female teenagers never cared much for cartoons in general when there's tiktok shit to watch.The last vestiges of non-autistic males let go around the time Venture Bros ended, with a few autistic males still hanging on for stuff like Primal and Space King.As such, the only people left are mentally ill older zoomer/millennial women who are on a litany of SSRIs, mentally ill theater kids, and low-functioning adult male autists, the kind who unironically only eat whatever mommy cooks for them because they're incapable of anything more advanced than microwaving a TV dinner or boiling an egg.
I like panic attack scene because I close my eyes and imagine raping the character.
>>153895849Based
>>153895470>>153895293Trendy towards people that don't buy or actually consume the content they are catered to beyond trendy clips?>>153894939>>153894836>Be Puss in Boots 2>Have good pacing, proper execution of deconstruction, fine balancing act of 3 antagonists, and scene that properly shows trauma and how to deal with it>Out of touch studios decide that the realistic panic attack was the thing to copyI hate indie creatives that try to be different by doing the exact same thing so much.
>>153894840Rise of social media and internet I think.I didn't have panic attacks when I was a kid. I don't remember having much panic attacks until I took tests in college, and that's reasonable given college grades matter more than highschool.
They already made panic attack the movie. It's called wanted and it gets turned into a super power. These panic attacks don't even let you curve bullets?
>>153894723FUCKING HATE STUPID MILLENIAL WRITERS AND NOW ITS LEAKING TO FUCKING STUPID ZOOMERS ALL THEY KNOW IS SELF-DIAGNOSING AND USE PANIC ATTACKS AS A FUCKING FASHION STATEMENT, FUCKING RETARDS. STEVEN UNIVERSE WAS THE CANCER THAT TRULY RUINED ANIMATION. IT SPREAD INTO INDIE. PUSS AND BOOTS 2 WAS THE STRAW THAT BROKE THE CAMELS BACK FUCK YOU ALLLL FOR DOING THIS!!!!
>>153895293>shows try to appeal to what is trendyTo other people like themselves, which isn't alot. Nepotism is a problem in Hollywood.
>>153896017
>>153894723>not enough cartoony depictions of heart attacks
>>153895470>>153895929>Trendy amongst the mentally ill autists and women who watch cartoons*Maybe, but you can see it in shows like Adventure Time and Fionna & Cake and any 'adult' western animated show, so it really isn't just an indie thing, it's an attempt to appeal to a group, whatever that group may be,
Existential crisis is better than panic attacks. At least incoherent ramblings of a character's ultimate uselessness in the scheme of things is more entertaining.
>>153896017Be the change that you wanna see, anon. Pick up a pen and start drawing, faggot.
>>153895577You had something good going here but then you post the last sentence male hating shit.
>>153896017based
>>153895577specifically video games replaced the action figures that funded the kind of cartoons you keep wishing there would be more of. I don't think you can even really blame social media, action cartoons were on their way to being cooked before then
>>153896141Sorry anon, but I have no respect for low-functioning autists, either be a high-functioning autist or a mid-wit autist, but the kind of autist who has immense arrested development and goes online insisting that Bluey is the peak of fiction because they cannot handle stories that involve any form of conflict that cannot be solved by love and tenderness is a cancer on any fandom, and part of why modern cartoon fandoms are so shit is because too many of the people watching them are like this, even the ones who aren't adult men.
>>153895024You're not supposed to post porn when you're trying to get people to watch your cartoon.
>>153894723They're not even realistic. Panic attacks are a heart condition caused by internalized stress and they happen in completely random none stressful situations. I had a friend who'd get them 2-3 a year and he was more annoyed with it than anything else.
>>153894802Years ago, people would have considered Gameoverse to be cringe for how many obvious boxes it's going out of its way to check off, but we are so starved now.
>>153896242>self-diagnosing spergs don't know the difference between panic attacks and anxiety attacks and neither does the general publicNot at all shocking.Nor is it shocking that anxiety attacks and arrested development would feature prominently in the media made by generations defined by crushing anxiety and perpetually arrested development caused by a rolling series of once-in-a-century shocks, disasters, crashes, etc.
>>153894723I remember when Naruto's pathetic faggy panic attack over Sasuke was relentlessly clowned for years, but somehow western cartoonists saw that and thought it was a work of genius that must be replicated in every episode of their shit from now on.
>>153894723How is this in Indy at this point. Seriously this is like a major studio now. I really do miss the days when I was a bunch of guys in high school making farting noises with their friends and uploading it to newgrounds with some weird drawings. Them days are so gone this is the furthest thing from independent animation this is God damn corporate at this point
>1 movie has a realistic panic attack>suddenly people think every cartoon does it
>>153894723That wasn't the case with Serial Designation N, dear anon.
>>153894802>>153896259Honestly I don't hate anxiety sequences, especially if they're animated in a fun way.My problem with it in Gameoverse's pilot is that it just doesn't fit into the script, it's so obviously shoved in and completely detracts from the ending of the episode and Kit's mini-arc.The general gist is that Kit is panicking that Kiboodle is missing and can't forgive herself for inadvertently destroying her own world, and as a result she's not thinking clearly about the mission. At the end of the episode the Dolphin completes the game and inadvertently destroys his own world, and wonders aloud if this was his fault. Kit instantly assures him that it's not, that he couldn't have known this would happen, and then recognizes that the same argument holds true for her. Perfect. Great. Well executed emotional beat.EXCEPT OH NO WAIT GOBBLES GAVE HER A DUMB FUCKING PEP TALK EARLIER THAT UNDERCUTS THIS ENTIRELY.Instead of being paralyzed by guilt in the middle stretch of the episode she should be MANIC. So laser-focused on looking for Kiboodle and ignoring the signs that Flappers was completing the game that Gobbles is compelled to take charge a bit and talk her DOWN rather than talk her UP. Point out all the things she missed and all the connections to be made because he's a goddamned child's instruction dinosaur that's exactly his job.
>>153896369Now post what he actually looks like.
>>153896363Yes, literally, Boots in Puss had 1 and everyone started doing it.
>>153896322A lot of people forget that indie means independent, as in they are independent of a bigger company to answer to. That's why so many people were questioning Mixtape's status as an indie game, being published by Annapurna and whatnot. Glitch is indeed, "indie", in the sense that they're not being told what to do by anyone higher up. Them selling merchandise to fund more animations doesn't suddenly make them fucking Disney or whatever.>inb4 "glitch bootlicker"
I distinctively remember older shows handling this better, if in a less "realistic" way. I remember characters almost/completely giving in to hopelessness or having a breakdown being an actual plot point that was addressed and would lead to character development and growth.Nowadays it feels cheap and performative, barely different from looking at the camera and saying "LOOK, character has FEELINGS! Isn't that relatable?"Like you see them sobbing and hyperventilating and shitting their pants, but nothing of real value comes out from it.
>>153896419Not a problem. On-model N is just as precious as the most idealized version of him.
>>153896452I mean, by that logic, Valve is indie.Eventually you need to hit a point where "independent" has a meaning beyond just "doesn't answer to another larger entity."And honestly, even that's not true, a lot of "indie" stuff relies on government grants (including Glitch, but even just something like an independent art gallery).Are they no longer indie because their funding comes in large part from a larger entity (the government)?
>>153896201They're zoomies. They grew up on porn being everywhere.
>>153896502>I mean, by that logic, Valve is indie.Yes.
>>153896561>Being this fucking retardedLmao, Glitch fags cannot be serious
>>153894840>I wonder, has the rate of anxiety disorders increased over timeAs someone who has been involved in this scene and been to multiple shrinks and therapists I can tell you that no it really hasn’t. Most of the people with anxiety issues are basically just a product of poor parenting, fuckery of the system, and the mental health industry. You have a kid who gets stressed and doesn’t know how to deal and that bottles up over time into neurosis and anxiety. Usually the parents will get a report from the school’s “psychologist” and be recommended therapy and the therapist they end up going to will already be biased because they will receive a report from the school. And of course the kid who doesn’t want to be there or is already a wreck is going to end up giving them the impression that they are fucked up and so they recommend a psychiatrist who will prescribe medication and that will just fuck the kid up more and years of that and basically being in a numbed depressive fugue state leads to them not really feeling a connection to anything save their little mental box shit so they wear shit like panic attacks like a badge of honor and as something that is relatable. When in reality it’s just one more unhealthy coping mechanism on top of like a dozen others.
>>153896114I ALREADY AM YOU STUPID FAGGOT
>>153894723yeah depict more anxious characters so our anti-anxiety meds keeps selling. Best business since sweeter soda desu
>>153896458>Nowadays it feels cheap and performativeBecause it is, the industry played it up for laughs for a long time since someone going fucking nuts in a cartoon is pretty par for the course. But then mental health started to be “taken seriously” and now you can’t make schizo or depression jokes anymore. It’s kind of like what happened to Psychonauts.
>>153896576If a studio for games or cartoons is not beholden to share holders and an larger corporation then it is independent. Privately owned and independent of the wider market are synonymous.
>>153896458>it's wacky and sexy, check out our character designs and quirky dialogue>but also it's serious adulting, witness the trauma that no character in the story can overcome even a little to do anything>also, ha ha, we're sooo clever for having the meta narrative out in the openI hate this new way of storytelling.
>>153894723They're all highly satanic either because they're by trannysexualised, the women dress like whores, or they're lesbialas
>>153896727Isn't the reason [adult swim] managed for the longest time to not have to worry over network restrictions that it is a network within a network?
>>153896426stupid movie
>>153894840Duff McKagan from Guns N Roses has talked about having panic attacks, and developing alcoholism to manage his anxietymaybe people just talk about it more now
>>153896852In context Puss was being chased by the literal grim reaper and he was legitimately scared of losing his last life
>>153896114All those trauma indie writers wish they could replicate the highs of Eva and EoE. It's sad.
>>153896177In general all of the teenagers I know are into anime and video games. None of them give a fuck about modern cartoons.
>>153894840Because modern society is far too stressful for humanity, we weren't built for this. We're developing panic attacks as a form of defense, fear is a protective response. It's like how we're afraid of spiders and snakes, because our ancestors were traumatized seeing their loved ones die from a bite. That fear protected them from spiders and snakes, and let their genes pass on. We don't consciously realize it, but working at walmart or an office cubicle is horrible for you, and we're developing a fear response to it so we don't die of a heart attack at the age of 50. Problem is, everything is either walmart or a cubicle so we're just afraid of everything. Wouldn't you get panic attacks if you lived in a pit of snakes and spiders?
>>153894909Not really applicable use of the analogy.
>>153894723
>>153899519>Wouldn't you get panic attacks if you lived in a pit of snakes and spiders?If I live in the vermin out, can I stop working in a cubicle?
>>153896114>posts ground zero for panic attacks in cartoons
>>153894723People keep telling me to add an iceberg of lore to the show so youtubers will make videos trying to unpack the whole thing and speculate about the where the lore is going, but when I look at hellaverse, 99% of the videos have nothing to do with the lore and are instead are rants about how shit the show is, so do you have to make a show bad on purpose to get attention?
>>153899563That's the innawoods gambit. Nothing's stopping you from being a homeless hippie, but you gotta share with the creepy crawlies.
>>153899579No, faggot
>>153899579I that was true we would have seen more of them in 00s cartoons but they started to become a huge thing in 10s cartoon especially because the creators themselves were dealing with "panic attacks". it's faggots writing about themselves. Also EVA is so much better than all that garbage.
>>153894879That would just give the audience a realistic panic attack
>>153896625Post proofs?
>>153894723>>153899551More Gameoverse merch: https://x.com/glitch_prod/status/2059348857964642592?s=46&t=T7ZKuOTnZ_1-CuTuRj6OnA
Are you truly indie if you get money from the government or sucking off Bezos?
>>153894723Kianabros… our girl has made it to the big time…
>>153899851>muh magical girl parody
>>153899579>Panic attack in EvaHoly fuck the entire world is riding on my shoulders and I can feel everything that happens to this not!robot and it just got stabbed through the head, I'm about to fail and everyone I know is about to die and it feels like I just had a railroad spike driven through my skull>Panic attack in indie cartoonsMy mom said I was dumb and some guy just called me dumb Yes, Kit's panic attack is actually pretty justified compared to the others since hers is based on having seen her entire world die.
>>153899551>>153899811Bravo Glitch
>>153899860And yet she’s joined the hallowed halls of GLITCH and Hasbin Hotel. She’s really made it…
>>153896458Over a decade ago I was told I should watch "Steven Universe" and the first clip I was exposed to was the entire cast having a meltdown and crying nonstop because they were trapped in a maze or a room or something. I did not see the appeal back then and I still don't see it today. It wasn't funny, interesting, or revealing. It was just a colossal waste of time and from what I understand it happens over and over again.I suspect all of it has a lot to do with being sheltered and grossly overmedicated. People like that just want to cryvomit all day and expect everyone else to be their captive audience, giving them eternal pity parties.
>>153894723Steven Universe and the damages it did to western animation will last until the sun burns out. This is the future /co/ chose
>>153899811>merch already made before the show even gets releasedah... how independent of them...
>>153894879That's every character in Space King lolhttps://youtu.be/lknNsZgzG1g?t=300
>>153900209>insert inigo montoya here
>>153900236you would not be able to have hundreds of different toys and merch and shit already available for your project before even releasing it if you worked on it by yourself alone without the financial back of a studio (or government funding them in this case) because you would be focusing on using the little money you manage to save up on the actual project like licensing music and hiring voice actors, not making fucking toys that you have no idea whatsoever whether they're going to sell or not to begin with.
>>153894723The key to good panic attacks/mental shenanigans is visuals and context.
>>153899579Of course it's grounds zero. The government enlisted literal children to fight their wars for them.
>>153900235It's likely those aren't delusions and there's someone actually psychically fucking with them.
>>153900282> without the financial back of a studio Yes, and that studio is Glitch. What seems to be the problem?
>>153900346If they're backed by a studio, then they're not independent, especially when said studio is funded by the Australia government as well.This is literally just the mainstream entertainment industry but with extra steps taken to circumvent having to rape child then drink their blood and cannibalize them like Hollywood requires you in order to be part of their cabal.Independents fund themselves, whether through a Kickstarter campaign or just putting out shit out there for free on YouTube then raking in ad revenue and putting that back into the next projects they make.
>>153900041>I suspect all of it has a lot to do with being sheltered and grossly overmedicated.Bingo.I don't take any media recommendations from anyone who's on any psychoactive medications, or anyone who's an alcoholic or legitimately addicted to weed (the kind of person who is only capable of enjoying themselves when they're drunk/high).
>>153900763Damnit, I'm on zoloft for autism. Guess I can't post on /co/ anymore...
>>153901015Rest easy anon, you can post on /co/ all you want, I never took media recommendations from this board anyways.
>>153899551Stop falling for ragebait made by scummy journalists.
>>153901176okay, but if it actually turns out to be true, then what?
>>153894840Look at what's going on in the world. People aren't broken also much as the world is broken and cruel, and that's breaking people. We could be happy and stress free if the elites didn't actively conspire torture us.
>>153896017>ALL THEY KNOW IS SELF-DIAGNOSINGThat's not true. They know how to diagnose other people they don't like with personality disorders or unhealthy attachment styles.I have literally seen girls saying guys have "avoidant attachment" entirely because they don't want her
>>153901214Letting abstract and distant things affect you so personally is mental. Do you participate in local politics at all?
>>153894723Mindbroken by one or two panic attacks in animation of all things, what a world.
>>153894840It is both, normies view on people who have mental problems has changed and now one is not viewed as some dangerous schizo if it goes to psychologist.While social media openly exploits and burns our socialization instincts, as well as the ire receptors, till our brains overload
>>153894723Ppl like to blame Steven Universe for starting the therapyspeak epidemic in Western Animation and they're not entirely wrong. But the thing Steven Universe had that all these zoomer cartoons don't is GOOD CHARACTER WRITING. The show teaches you about the characters and what they're struggling with individually so that when they open up it feels earned. These new indie shows meanwhile just have "emotion" for the sake of it because then it makes your show "deep" and "meaningful"
>>153901734They have to condense what would normally be 50 episodes of character development into the first 20 minutes of the pilot because they can't afford to make more all at once and people won't be interested without it. Look at all the thousands of DOA pilots.
>>153901734>But the thing Steven Universe had that all these zoomer cartoons don't is GOOD CHARACTER WRITING.Stopped reading there.Your show is just as shit as these modern shows, you just have shit standards and are slightly gayer.
>>153901211Then I write diabolical porn about Kit getting dyke-busted into being a trad wife through ball musk hypno-therapy given to her by a fat jew-coded Hypno with ass hair that looks like a patch of crab grass growing in a bog.
>>153894840Personally I think a lot of people are terminally online and don’t get enough exercise outside. If I don’t get out and exercise at least a couple times a week I start to become neurotic and anxious. I think constructive elective suffering is essential to mental health
>>153900041>>153901734Steven Universe felt like it was doing things right in season 1 and then dropped the ball so fucking hard after that it became a joke. The tonal shift in the show after its first season is honestly fucking jarring.
it's like 80% rip-off of jap shit and gaijins get away with it
>>153895482the industry is now late thirties women-dominated. If you're a man wanting to make a manly cartoon, they're not gonna hire you, they won't work with you, and they'll drive you out. And thanks to them being the ones hiring, and them outnumbering you, they'll succeed.Case in point: remember that shitty godawful sanitised Ren & Stimpy reboot that got leaked almost 2 years ago?the old talent from the old show like Bill Wray and Bob Camp spoke out about it and how they tried to make it good but these mentally ill women ruined it specifically for idiotic woke reasons
>>153902464pic rel
i can't help but understand why japan had to choose the war against the anglo-ruled world nothing has changed
>>153894840>I wonder, has the rate of anxiety disorders increased over time? Or maybe it's stayed the same and people just talk about it more? This says that almost 30% of people in the U.S. have an anxiety disorder at least some point in their life: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/208678I think its just diagnosed more. I imagine guys who fought in wars had worse anxiety issues compounded by PTSD and shit.
>>153902482>anglo-ruledor more accurately, Jewish-ruled
>>153901734>Old goyslop good>New goyslop badbruh your dogshit show is the main reason why we ended up here
>>153895024source:https://x.com/Bitterfucker1/status/1828085185403101488#m
>>153902414Stfu
>>153902771coward
>>153902570Looking at how Anglos have historically behaved, is there really a difference?
>>153902414>>153902482brownest poster alive
>>153901015>I'm on zoloft for autismGood luck everyone getting off it or if you can’t get a new prescription. You’ll get the shakes.
