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>>153908994I wanna tickle torture ragatha until she has a breakdown
Pomni ryonaPomni guro
We should have had Martha in the circus instead of Ragatha.
You do not need to post the new thread that early
Kill Ragathas.Behead Ragathas.Crucify filthy Ragathafuckers.Report Ragathas to the mods.Karate chop Ragathas in half.Send Ragathas into a black hole.Castrate Ragathas.Feed Ragathas poisoned food.Drown Ragathas in fried chicken grease.Vaporize Ragathas with a ray gun.Send a Ragatha exploring titanic in a cheap submarine.Use a Ragatha as a crash test dummy.Tie Ragathas onto growing bamboo shoots.Film an entire jackass movie on a Ragatha.Trample Ragathas.Bury Ragathas alive.Blow Ragathas heads off with grenade launchers.Blow Ragathas brains open with a sniper rifle.Play bowling with Ragathas heads as pins.Grate Ragathas with a cheese grater.Get Ragathas stuck in an elevator.Spray a Ragatha's toilet paper with poison ivy.Shoot a Ragatha directly with the Gustav gun.Electrocute Ragathas.Sabotage a Ragatha's bungee.Trap a Ragatha under ice.Put dog collars on Ragathas at maximum voltage.Give Ragathas sentient brain parasites.Give Ragathas over to aliens in area 51 to be probed.Leave Ragathas out for vultures.Sell Ragathas organs on the black market.Run Ragathas over with an eighteen wheeler.Throw Ragathas into the grand canyon.Burn Ragathas with jet engine exhaust.Beat Ragathas to death with a tire iron.Cauterise a Ragathas asshole with a blowtorch.Curse Ragathas with the necronomicon.Trap Ragathas in purgatory.Bang a Ragathas testicles with a spiked bat.Throw Ragathas off a twelve story building.Sacrifice Ragathas to the sun god.Drop Ragathas out of a plane at fourty thousand feet.Feed Ragathas to sharks.Load a Ragatha into a cannon and shoot the Ragatha at a concrete wall.Cause a total Ragatha purge.Jam a Ragatha into a geyser.Axe murder a Ragatha.Unleash Smelvin upon Ragathas.Total Ragatha death.
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>>153909091>Bark>Woof>RuffI'm sorry, what? Speak up, boy?
>>153909051Pomni wants to save Jax and he doesnt, yeah, but Im not sure if theyre foils. Mostly because Pomni herself isnt that fleshed out and theres not really a concrete reason as to *why* she's so naturally empathetic. Whereas the motivation for Ragatha's optimism is pretty evident if you look through the story.
I will repost my 3 posts ONCE here since I posted them with only 100 posts remaining in the last thread, dont worry I wont spam this every thread, this is the only time because I really want to discuss this, I'm sure 3 repeated posts once are easily ignorable. I will write something that confuses me with how Goose handled Jax, this is the one thing I felt was handled really poorly, I enjoyed the finale otherwise (as a Cainefag)It is clear that Goose saw Jax as an extension of herself, saying that he's her self-insert etc, that's fine that's how artists make characters at least one of them is gonna have more of "you" in them because you need to write what you know, anyways, what I feel she really dropped the ball on is the entire transgender part of Jax, It just feels like the entirety of TADC Goose tries to tease it, and she makes little nods to it, pretty much every episode there's Jax doing some GNC shit, however, she literally never, in the entire show, makes it the main focus, despite Jax being the main character of the series, this gigantic part of him is just never addressed by any character or himself, you see all the examples in the pic I attached to this post, you see Ribbit giving him her bow and him blushing, you see him alluding that he said something to defend himself from being always compared to his dad and then his mom laughed at him because of it (one can presume he said something like "im not even a man like him" or whatever since he was being abused by his mom partly for being male like his dad), you think, "wow, is this it? he doesnt want to be exposed as trans by ribbit and thats why he's so harsh to her to the point she suicides?" but no, its just dropped, every single nod to him being trans is just subtext, even later with the many mental images of jax inside his head there's an allusion to it but that part is honestly confusing with the locked door stufft, the point is, this entire facet of his character is just entirely subtext, why?
>>153909094>>153909096which way /co/ man will you use gangle anchor or super giga infinite rape anchor. we will all be watching
>>153909125Was Goose like, i dont know, scared of making it a main focus? its HER show, I'm sure no one at Glitch was like "noo you can't make him a trans woman the 5% of tourists who for some reason love your show despite it being made by a woke trans woman will get upset!" she wasn't working for fucking cartoon network she's an indie artist, so why? what was the point of making the entire Jax and Ribbit deal so fucking stupid because of this? "sorry Ribbit, I will never speak to you again because... well, uh, you know I hit my mom once lol" like are you fucking serious? the driving force of 3 character deaths including his own (of course, Jax is not DIRECTLY responsible, but still, its a motive) is something that fucking stupid? with all the subtext, teasing, and even off-series posts about this stupid ass trans woman that MADE these characters constantly teasing "teehee this boy is just like me a trans girl hehe wait to see what happens!" leads to NOTHING, its all subtext, at the very least, I could be like, "ok, Gooseworx is a pussy coward bitch, BUT, she made sure that IRL Jax transitioned later! that brings his character full circle" but NO, IRL Jax is just some emo faggot that hangs out with a nonbinary baddie sometimes, does this nonbinary baddie make Jax realize he's a girl? no, does Jax realize it on his own? no, does literally, any of this CONSTANT subtext, meta and non-meta teasing, and enormous gap in Jax's character lead to something? IT DOESN'T!!! He dies a retard, the subtext is still there, it is IMPLIED that he is a repressor, but that's all, it is HEAVILY IMPLIED in the same way that Ribbit is heavily implied to have been in love with Jax, except RIBBIT ISN'T THE FUCKING MAIN CHARACTER AND FOCUS!!! I genuinely do not understand what Goose's goal was, she just completely dropped the ball, literally what the fuck? she handled my beloved glorious king Caine perfectly but her own self-insert she just said "fuck it rush that shit and dont elaborate"?
>>153909119they're arguing in bad faith anon. we know that Rags deserves more
>>153909140In a meta sense, does she not realize how absurdly impactful it would be for a show THIS ENORMOUS to have the main focus be about a trans woman repressing and killing herself because of it, showing that its important to not repress and instead just come out and become true to who you feel you should be? that everyone around Jax would actually have supported her and that Jax was wrong is closing herself off? that would be absurdly impactful the same way Steven Universe was impactful to our generation back when we were kids, even in a non-"it makes sense for Jax's character" sense, in a real world sense she could have impacted the lifes of literally millions of people for the better with this.Was she scared of the reception? that some mexican latinx would shoot her in the head for corrupting the ESL youth that love TADC theater plays? I seriously do not understand, the way Goose handled Jax is possibly the worst way I've seen any person handle a character they created, its like she just got tired of writing him and pussied out on the major depth to his character (being a repressing transgender woman), I'd really like to hear your thoughts on this from people who also deeply enjoyed the show, I do not care if you are some outdated ape stuck in the past still thinking trans people are evil or whatever, you don't belong here and I will ignore you.This the the third and last post of my write up feelings on how Goose handled Jax confusingly, sorry for how long it is but no TL;DR here, I love CaineAs the few replies I got in the last thread said, it seems the consesus really is "she was just scared and pussied out" crippling Jax's character in the process instead of just creating literal world-changing art, disappointing!!
Is Jax trans or not?
>>153909159Goose's self insert so yes
Jax and his fags have rabies. Time to put them down.
>>153909125I'm sorry but I can't wade through this if you don't punctuate it. It's not about being a grammar Nazi; it's just really difficult to read. In the entirety of both text wall posts you used one period.
crikey
>>153909125>>153909140>>153909157I had ChatGPT summarize these for me so apologies if I'm not addressing everything you said, but the reason it wouldn't work very well for the show to be about a repressed trans woman killing herself is that no person in, or aspect of, the Circus would oppress a trans identity at all. It would end up being like pic related. Which it was.
I love Ragatha too much
>>153909126We do know that she hates him somewhat, which is something Pomni lacksYou could say that she would also try to save him if she knew what happened, but that would just be retreading ground from Pomni's arc and pretty redundant >>153909119Thematic foils not literal foils, my point is that ragatha hates him but this hate is not interesting enough compared to Pomni's relation with him to justify putting screentime into, because, in the end, TADC story really is about Pomni trying to save this guy that is just too far gone.>>153909154How exactly i am arguing in bad faith when i say that Pomni relationship with him is just more interesting for the story?This is not even a critique of Ragathas character you sperg im just saying she is better suited for a supporting role and not the main character
>>153908994Continuing last thread’s discussion:1. Some people are disappointed because they thought that at the beginning, Ragatha was presented as ONE OF the main characters, without even getting into focus on Jax and whether people want that or not. Ragatha and Jax could both be main characters, after all.2. The IHNMAIMS is mainly the inspiration for Caine specifically including “tormenting” the “humans” for the oppression, but outside of Caine and episode 7 and 8 wasn’t too big of an influence imo.The inspiration was still very clearly there, though.
Just saw someone who's really adamant about not being spoiled say "If [Jax] doesn't come out of the series alive it's so over for me bro"
>Reasons to love RagathaUmmmErrr ...
>>153909218Don't call people sperg, sperg
>>153908903This post is disingenuous. I have no issue with Jax being a main character. The problem is that Ragatha's (and Zooble's) arcs were not well handled. That's not me throwing a fit because they got sidelined; it's a legit critique. What the fuck is the point of even being part of a fandom if we can't analyse the show? Harrassing the creator is obviously way too far, but let's not conflate criticism with harrassment.
>>153909200Isn't that the point? That no one cares about the rabbit being trans but the rabbit still kills himself anyway cause he's too much of a coward to admit it?
>>153909242Dont act like one if you dont want to be called one
Tickling Ragatha until she pisses herself
Jax? Lobotomy troon cuck hound.Ragatha? Background filler character.My HEROES are Pomni, Gangle, Kinger, Zooble, Caine, and Bubble. End of discussion.
>>153909222It wasn't just Caine and those episodes. The whole premise borrows from IHNAIMS with immortal humans trapped together, and the majority of the characters have parallels to IHNAIMS characters. None of it is 1:1, and TADC benefits from that, but it is definitely a wide-ranging inspiration.
Never thrust a tranny
I like the show but I’m still not gonna support transgenderism
>>153909248Idk
>>153909284>ThrustFreudian slip
Stop taking "side/supporting character" as a insultMy favorite character is gangle and i know shes a side character because imnnot retarded
>>153909222Ragatha isn't really the point really, is that Jax gets all the character focus leaving everyone else (including the main character behind) and for what? an ending where he just fucks off and dies of screen.On the IHNMAIMS inspiration is what really frustrates me, because the concept is very neat, Caine is AM, but instead of hating humans, he adores them and seeks their approval. That is explored but it is very obviously NOT the main point of the show, and is in fact, completely hand waved at the end with Caine coming back out of nowhere and getting forgiven so easily.
What is so bad about an ending where everybody is a brain scan and has to come to terms with staying in the circus forever? How would an ending about escaping the circus, waking from suspended animation and breaking out of C&N be any better? If anything that ending would be out of place, you'd have to erase the entirety of ep7 which said this was all made up and Caine talking about how he has no idea about the real world and he just wanted to entertain the humans because their minds would go mad otherwise in ep8. There was never any grand plot or evil scientists holding them hostage in a virtual world for ulterior reasons. The SOMA ending was predictable but it was clear from the start that it was a semi-episodic series about people trapped in a virtual world having to learn to deal with one another because they were all they had.
Yujiro Hanma
>>153909287Same. The ending reinforces that a bit.
>>153909292Gangle was always treated as a side character and she had a complete, well-handled arc.
>>153909292I didn't follow the argument in the last thread so maybe someone said this, but most of the Ragathugs I've seen aren't insulted by the idea that Ragatha is a side character. They want her to be more prominent so there's more spotlight development, because they're interested in the character.
>>153909218I don't see how it would be redundant if you also had Ragatha also try to save Jax. Ragatha is the one who has a long history with him. Why establish that in the story if it wasn't going to be relevant to anything? If you made it so that Ragatha had no relationship at all with Jax, literally nothing changes. That seems like wasted potential to me. 'There could've be a dynamic where she's a little more ironically cynical in her way of saving him because she has history with him which would contrast Pomni's more naïve understanding of the situation as a newcomer.
>>153909284I don’t plan to
>>153909303No one here is debating soma what are you even talking about
>>153909304...should rape both Jax and Ragatha. Make them feel like women.
>>153909304Could he rape Caine?
>>153909303Nothing is bad about it being SOMA and most people who say there's something wrong with it are racist against digital minds or butthurt that they didn't figure it out in spite of all the evidence.
If I was Caine I would generate some horses for Ragatha and give Ragatha a cute tight dress and take Ragatha out on romantic dates and fuck Ragatha in her Ragatha hole and
I bet human Gangle is fat
>>153909329Worse. Brown
>>153909311>There could've be a dynamic where she's a little more ironically cynical in her way of saving him because she has history with him which would contrast Pomni's more naïve understanding of the situation as a newcomer.I would love to see this. Instead of being Jax's foil, Ragatha is Pomni's foil. Or all three of them are foils to each other.
>>153909329There's more to love
Let's be honest everyone was a side character to Jax, even Pomni. That purple faggot took too much of the show. This is undisputed regardless of whether or not you think Ragatha should be irrelevant/relevant
>>153909329She's a pajeet who larps as black.
>>153909326He'd use one of the digital martial arts technique he learned on a trip to thailand to be able to do so
>>153909345
>Ragatha says she hates Jax in the Spudsys episode but that she doesn't want him to hate her>Jax's dying words to Pomni are lovingly saying that he hates herIt should have been Ragatha, damnit!
>>153909311Its redundant because Pomni is already doing that, Goose has no reason to also write Ragatha as a saviorfag when that is the central point of Pomni and her relation to JaxTheres way more interesting things you could do with Ragatha in a extended cut of the show than just making her Pomni 2 because you want them both to tag along all of the time
>>153909345Here's my enlightened galaxy brain take: Jax should have gotten as much development as he did, but every other character should have gotten that much too. You'd have to make the show a few episodes longer to do this though.
Why is this even an argument about who are the main characters? Caine already sang about him being the one running this show.
>>153909357Jax is too good for Ragatha
>>153909357(Wait, shit, I mean it should have been Ragatha obsessed with saving Jax, not Ragatha to die or whatever, Ragathugs lower your weapons)
>>153909367TRVTH
>>153909200>I had ChatGPT summarize these for meIs this TADC's target audience?
>>153909231>seeing someone who's avoiding leaks say "if Jax dies, I die"
The ending is out, everyone knows it, discussion has gotten BORING we get itShit is ass and a massive letdown too much focus on Jax and blah blah blahOC discussion is much better than this
>>153909362>Theres way more interesting things you could do with Ragatha in a extended cut of the show than just making her Pomni 2 because you want them both to tag along all of the timeWhat are your ideas?
>>153909275you shut your whore mouth. Ragatha is Pomni's closest friend and the best thing to happen to her in the circus. no matter how much goose sidelined, forgot, and overlooked her she's just as deserving of her spot by Pomni's side
>>153909385I want to hear more about the slime girl with the Tommy gun
>>153909383Cute Jaxfag.
>>153909303>What is so bad about an ending where everybody is a brain scan and has to come to terms with staying in the circus forever?Nothing, that's not the part people didn't like (except a few coping retards who didn't realise this was directly implied at the end of the pilot)
>>153909364I think 3 more episodes is enough to do that>>153909362>more interesting things you could do with Ragatha in a extended cut of the showI can't think of things more interesting than her relationship with Jax, as that was the part of the show where she was established to have the most backstory with.
>>153909368Jax is too dog* for Ragatha
>>153909371>>153909357Thats dumb im sorry, you guys just want to change places of Pomni's character with Ragatha because you like her moreIts fine to wish that she got more screentime but this whole >ragatha should have been there instead of pomni!!!Is retarded
>>153909180I'm sorry, the 2000 character limit made me delete a lot of fluff but yeah I should have just made these into 4 posts >>153909367He is the main HERO...
>>153909383tbf nobody wants to read three walls of text without periods
>>153909159Leeroy Mateo isn't, so no. He just wants to wear panties and get pegged.
>>153909385i would post but i dont want to keep spamming threads with fishguy
>>153909385Fpbp
>>153909303*Takes a hit of my own farts* It's because it makes them digital natives.
>>153909159Yes, and she's lovely.
This show had so much potential
>>153909412You can develop her relationship with Jax beyond just making pomni 2, we already knows that she hates him>>153909426That was the sixth nine post actually
>>153909338And Pomni, the baggage-free newcomer who appeals to both of them, would bridge the gap in their communication issues and inability to see each other clearly
>>153909416i dont think she should've replaced pomni but at least been there, hell the whole cast should've been therewhy does the dude have closure with the chick who was there for 1 month instead of the people who knew him for years?
>>153909356How does this look if you exclude the segment after he and Pomni win the gun battle?
>>153909419Tell hiromoot to make a single update in his decade long ownership of the website to remove the 2000 character limit and then I'll be able to write properly...
>>153909345>>153909356This could've been fixed if they just had more episodes dedicated to the other characters. As it stands everyone else in the show just feels undercooked, so much for a character driven show lol
>>153909368Exactly, which is why the story would then be about her letting him go, realising she can't save him when he's determined to self destruct
>>153909416nta but it could've been neat for Ragatha to join Pomni in trying to save Jax so she no longer feels like she failed him. she could give more context to Jax's pre-pomni memories and react to his perspective on events.
>>153909434I would say it reached at least 70% of its potential
>>153909440Why does the dude have closure with the only person that is actuvely pushing to save him no matter what? Idfk bro i wonder
>>153909397What spot by Pomni's side? Pomni adventures with her pet dog.
>>153909385/thread/
my problem with Pomni's character is what reason did pomni have to be so obsessed with jax to the point where she was about to risk literally committing suicide with him, other than "she's nice"?
>>153909416Pomni and Ragatha simply make one another redundant, this is a core flaw in the show and it can't be fixed without basically rewriting the whole thing onto a new trajectory
>>153909466Have you met women
>>153909446Wait moot sold the web site to a guy with the same name but "hiro" before it?
>>153909460why exactly is she risking life and limb to save some guy she had one good adventure with?
>>153909466She already failed trying to save Gummigoo, she didn't want to fail Jax too
>>153909440Fr, why is her forgiveness the climactic thing that makes him realise he should have accepted their love when she's the one who suffered the least from his actions?
>>153909457I dont know how to say this without being mean but this sounds like fanfiction of where you include your OC in a pre estabilshed canon dramatic momentShe COULD have done that, but that would also be just adding another character that really does not need to be there>>153909473What you said would make sense if what im saying here wasnt that goose actively avoided doing that by not just awkward placing ragatha in scenes with pomni and jax just because
>>153909466>>153909475>>153909479He was tall and a jerk
>>153909484she didn't fail to save gummigoo, there was literally nothing she could've done to prevent caine from snapping him
>>153909484You can't save someone who can't save themself. Is Pomni retarded?
>>153909477No, his name is Hiroyuki, who is also the owner of 2chan, we call him Hiromoot because its funny and also is kinda like "hiroshima" and "moot", thank me for spoonfeeding you
>>153909479Because she wants to save him, shes too empathetic. Shes too stubborn to just let him die
>>153909435It's the first post that actually mattered
What was behind that one Jax door?
From the way Goose handled Jax, it's like the 'her' part of Goose still resents and never forgave the 'him' part of himself so he doubled down on torturing Jax because of that
>>153909496Pomni is an "I can fix him" girl. We joked about Real!Jax looking like Elliot Rodgers, but Pomni might actually simp for a shooter.
>>153909497Thank you for spoonfeeding me Caine.
>>153909488well I'M saying that the pomni being the only one there for Jax falls flat for me because she's known him for a month, has no REAL motivation to save him, has no backstory with him, and is there because she's the fucking protagonist who has to do everything. Pomni is just the skyrim protagonist who has to do everything for everyone else they SHOULD"VE done themselves, which is boring to me.
>>153909514Ehhh
>>153908994Jax abstracting be likehttps://youtu.be/ZIXy3-lGREIi was about to ping NCSArtist for making an animation of Jax’s descent and abstraction to this audio but I forgot we’re not supposed to know about that so he’d block me or maybe he’d do that anyway because i talk about jews a lot on X and follow Mike Enoch
>>153909303Soma ending isn't bad as a concept, i just knew it was gonna be shittily handled if they tried to put it in the finale since they would've have way too little time to actually work it into the plot and have them react to it realistically while also handling everything they set up before this point. Oh hey, lookie there, I was right
>>153909500>>153909519she has 0 character motivation for being that suicidality empathetic. she was about to kill herself for him for god's sake
Kinda sucks how the finale has like three jokes in it.
SHADDUP FAGGOTSdiscussion has been going on in circles for too long same points made same faggots regurgitating tell me about your oc lore instead.
>>153909537She was horny.
>>153909523It dont matter if she knew him for a year a month a week a day or a secondShe was the only one willing to go that far for him
>>153909514I really don't think Goose hates herself as much as you people say, it's normal for people to torture their own self-inserts because you don't feel guilty whatsoever about doing it, the problem with Goose is that she's a coward who couldn't commit to Jax being anything that actually matters, she removed what is interesting about herself and kept the barebones "goo goo gaa gaa this grown man represses his emotions because... he is retarded!">>153909522It's a pleasure
is this how to spoiler tag?
>>153909500>she's too empatheticand almost exclusively towards Jax
>>153909548>She was the only one willing to go that far for himbut WHY? because she's the protagonist? because she's "le nice"? narratively, its more satisfying to have actual character motivations for your characters
i like how handsome caine is
Is Goku strong enough to save Jax?
I just have one question as Ive been failing to avoid spoilers and someone sent me a message. I hope to god it's fake. They saidJax Kills Caine This is either a spoiler or a goddamned lie.Please please tell me the truth, even if it hurts
>>153909534I love when it coughs. Like "oh, excuse me."
goodnight remember that Ragatha won
>>153909564SS3 MINIMUM needed imo but yeah he could
>>153909568Massive lie
>>153909568It is a lie
>>153909568Jax does not kill Caine. Caine survives and is shown to be in a relationship with Ragatha at the end.
>>153909564Goku has no chance, now Jiren on the other hand...
I honestly completely understand why Goose had that freakout moment on reddit when discussing with her fans, its like talking with a bunch of autistic 12 year olds>eeeeeeeeeeeerm why didn't this scene include my favorite character instead of Mrs. Overly Empathetic & Proactive Protagonist??? Doesn't she know that if you completely rewrite the character for no reason she could very easily be included too?????>>153909559BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF HER CHARACTER NIGGA GODDAMNSHE IS THE ONE THAT TRIES TO SAVE EVERYONE EVEN WHEN THEY ARE TOO FAR GONE
>>153909488>fanfiction of where you include your OC in a pre estabilshed canon dramatic momentyeah, thats what rewrites tend to be..? is this supposed to detract from their argument?
>>153909519But she's not. When Jax portrays her that way in his mind, she's like "bruh wut stop being retarded"
>>153909584Lies, Goku can Def save Jax only needs SS3 he can do it, jiren is overkill
>>153909586Nega*
>>153909586Settle down spaz
>>153909555press CRTL+S while highlighting your text if you're on PC>>153909560I LOVE how handsome caine is>>153909586Goose is a total retard and fumbled half of the story because of being scared of fan reception, a true artist shouldn't interact with the fanbase until their show is over
>>153909586i like how you can't give me a solid character motivation and just say "its just how she is!">let me just make a strawman and pretend le above you all, i'm just like goose xdI was trying to be reasonable but fuck you faggot. that other guy is right, you ARE disingenuous
>>153909577>>153909592Where's the J?
>>153909586>eeeeeeeeeeeerm why didn't this scene include my favorite character instead of Mrs. Overly Empathetic & Proactive Protagonist??? Doesn't she know that if you completely rewrite the character for no reason she could very easily be included too?????You should go to bed instead of getting mad at stuff people aren't saying
>>153909586>shilling this hard for gooseyou know its okay for people to criticize the show's writing right? why is it some personal offense that someone didn't like Pomni as a protagonist and thought someone else would fit better?
>>153909545he's a vulnerable narcissist in a way that is very difficult to actually detect because he is never anything but kind and helpful to others until the moment he finally snaps
>>153909602>a true artist shouldn't interact with the fanbase until their show is overThis should be one of the most common aphorisms in modern culture. It should be engraved above the entrances to art colleges.
i think looli is cooli
Honestly thinking more about it i completely agree with you guys now, the main character of The Show (trademark) should not be proactive instead they should do nothing in the background being cute and let My Favorite Character (copyright) do everything instead that would certainly be a very fun experience to watch yepyepyepyepyepyepyepep Im sure there must be no reason at all why most protagonists are proactive
Is Krillin strong enough to save Jax or would he try changing places with him?
>>153909617Post em
>>153909157>who also deeply enjoyed the showI'm a tourist to this show. I'm really struggling to collect my thoughts, but. IMO Goose was intentionally keeping things vague but obvious for the audience that wants to read into it. Which hurts a message that could've been explicitly told but gives everyone their own room to cope with the series. I'm averse to transgender characters/relationships. But since all of those moments aren't an outright stating; I can cope that Jax wasn't in touch with his feminine side due to some amount of trauma. Because I'm far more of a characterfag than someone who even touches theming or the message of a story. Seeing how the community normally is on any of her points of contact I think vaguing it was pussying out, if not that then a habitual writing thing. It's going to take like 3 youtube video essays for most people to take the story as you see it anyways, maybe not to such a poignant effect though.
>>153909602>>153909618I heard someone say one time that interacting with your fans gives you a buff at the beginning of an ongoing work and a debuff at the end
>>153909617so caine?
>>153909625krllin aint doing shit, why can't you faggots understand goku ss3 MINIMUM needed
How do you think the general public will react to the ending?
>>153909625Krillin is too much of a pushover to even step up to Jax's bullshit, whenever he has to deal with someone stronger than him he just let's them walk all over him. Without his powers in the circus he would just be another victim.
>>153909308and so did Ragatha so idk what the problem is.
>>153909641>
>>153909624I can't believe you've been yapping for like an hour and still have no idea what people are actually saying
I read the wall of text and now I just regret itJust say you wish there was better portrayal for trannies instead of typing up a whole dissertation for school about it, damn
>>153909639What is ss3? I only know ssj3.
>>153909624>Im sure there must be no reason at all why most protagonists are proactiveproactive protagonists also tend to have concrete motivations, backstory, etc to explain why they are being proactive and not just inherently proactive for the sake of italso why are you so mad?
>>153909627nah I'm gonna do a short image/write up covering his abstraction (maybe next week) then I'll do it when it's done
>>153909630>I think vaguing it was pussying out, if not that then a habitual writing thingI think it's the latter. Goose is ambiguous or subtle about a LOT of stuff in TADC, not just Jax's transness.
Least favorite OC?Other than Osaka of course
Would abstraction count as a natural cause of death? Don't think the Dragon Balls can undo that. Then again they're all brain scans, so maybe it never could...
>>153909568The dawn is your enemy.
>>153909641
>>153909624Do you read the text that shows up on the screen or do you just look at the letters and guess the vibes based on which ones you do and don't like?
>>153909545There's not much to say about him i haven't thought about it that hard.>>153909631That's dumb, interacting with fans is completely dependent if you can deal with it properly, it barely mattered for Goose and TADC because she already wrote everything about the show before it even got a fandom. So besides shit like ships i doubt it affected that much. Which is probably why so many people are angry at the ending, none of it accounts for fans expectations and thoughts at all, and seems to be very clearly about the initial message it wanted to tell and not much else.
>>153909657Post the OC sheet so we can reference them with that
>>153909385>OC discussion is much better than this So which one would you rather fuck then?
>>153909655>>153909655>short image/write up covering his abstractionoh damn he gone huh, am looking forward to it
>>153909657>Osakalmao
>>153909630>It's going to take like 3 youtube video essays for most people to take the story as you see it anywaysThere's no winning, 99% of people will see a video titled "the ending is AWESOME" or "the ending SUCKS" and base their entire view on that video instead of coming up with their own view on the series
>>153909657Slime girl
>>153909662
>>153909670I mean it's not a done deal but a "very much on the path to it" where I leave it open ended
>>153909669I wanna fuck the sheep ones
>>153909665>do you just look at the letters and guess the vibesTangent, but fun fact, this is exactly how an entire generation of American children were recently taught to read because some idiot decided to try and re-invent the wheel on education, and the results were about as horrific as you'd imagine
>>153909094>>153909096
so tell me guys... have you found the "pomni to my jax" yet?
>>153909666I didn't mean to imply Goose's interactions with fans affected the show itself. It probably had very little effect, for the reasons you said. I mean you get a buff to the reception/popularity at the beginning and a debuff at the end.
>>153909654Some people sometimes just are too overly empathetic or have a specific trait of their personality and you do not need some elaborate backstory to justify that. Pomni herself said in her moment with Kinger in ep 9 that she just wanted to save everyone.
>>153909657gaylien was pretty annoying as a poster
I liked it better when we were critiquing the ending with Jax cuck dog copypastas and the girls commiting beastiality. At least that was funny and not just us arguing in circles for the neverending Jaxfag vs. Ragathafag war.
I mean it kind of makes sense. If you're going to be stuck with a small friend group for all eternity would you rather have 6 personalities to bounce off of or just 5
>>153909697That anon is not making it on any bases after watching the last act with her.
My favorite part of the finale was when Ragatha and Pomni brought out the Thug ShakerTM to defeat Caine once and for all
>>153909698I agree but i think this is more of a problem if you are using fandom expectations to change up your writing/ending which thankfully isnt a thing in TADC even though some people here clearly wish it was>>153909714While this is true i think Pomni would have tried to save him regardless if they could leave the circus or not.
okay, how about favorite OC?
>>153909718Defeat? You mean arouse. Caine is the hero of this story.
>>153909730I think is a understatement, considering how far she already went for him before knowing anything about brainscans she 100% would
>>153909714If I was stuck in the positive therapyspeak echo chamber I would abstract myself
>>153909718Peak spotted
I think people are also forgetting along the way that the biggest driving plot point wasn't just escaping but how to the point it took multiple episodes to to go over it.It's like it was a sign already from the pilot on how everyone had conformed into staying/having no hope while one of them died seeking freedom.And then reveal is just, a wet fart, everyone quickly moving on like it wasn't important anyway when Pomni wanted to, was starting to conform to that reality, just to spark up again for that to be the payoff.In the end, it just came down to also being either "ah bummer, it wasn't Tron/something else" or "oh hey so it was SOMA", like it wasn't something we discussed almost every single thread and was rendered completely diminutive over Jax and Caine.
>>153909668
>>153909669Nta but these ones, the rest I'm not so sure yet
Well...what do we do now? besides general public reaction to the movie its over, I think I will go back to helluva for a bit, I dont even know when season 3 comes out kek
>>153909747Barbra has the most "human" design because her design language is pretty close to zooble
>>153909657I don't know anything about her but look at her
>>153909767She can't be the worst because she passes the "would I fuck her?" test
>>153909760We wait for the Jax show prequel where Ragatha gets sidelined even more because Ribbit and Kaufmo don't want to hang out with that loser.
>>153909767hello marie persona 4I do want to pump and dump her
I want to Pomni
>>153909690... huh
>>153909545>Sir ZackHe's based on the main character from some project I'm working on. Like what if that guy put on the C&A headset and got his brain scanned. His real self is just as mute as the circus avatar. It is unclear if he even knows how to read.He likes kaiju like Godzilla.
>>153909746The ending was not rendered diminutive, even though they cant escape and had to conform with life in the circus again, Pomni objectively made their lifes better. If she never entered the circus they would have all just suffered under Caine/Jax until they abstracted>>153909760I will stay here, if i didnt move on during the midsts of episode 8 to 9 i have no reason to move on for now>>153909767You have bad taste
When the Pomni is away, the Jax comes out to play
Why is there no sex toy oc?
>>153909797When the Pomni is otherwise engaged, Jax takes off his cage
>>153909803Because we already have Pomni
>>153909657i dont dont like ayylien, hes got the gay ray and will use it indiscriminately (he made jax abstract canonically)
>>153909803Because Pomni is already here and there is no need for OC one?
>>153909814>>153909824Pomni is not a dildo.
>>153909794What's interesting is that if Pomni didnt join the circus everyone there would have abstracted one by one.But also if she didn't join the circus Jax would have survived.The one she tried the most was the only one she couldn't save ironic enough.I know that people want to move on from this discussion but i just think that the intended vague tidbits left by Goose in the writing are interesting.
>>153909718Why did Caine die from this? Is he a homosexual?>>153909094>>153909096
>>153909581>>153909582Thank you both
>>153909767Wrong choice
>>153909839And i guess that is the tragedy of TADC... Beyond the whole dying because people love you too much part of course.
>>153909840He died from cumming too much
>>153909760I tried Helluva Boss, it sucked, I tried Gameoverse, it sucked, I tried MonkeyWrench, it sucked, I think I may just be done with western cartoons for a while all of them just feel so bland, TADC is unique and very different from all else, I watched the first season of Hazbin Hotel when it came out but I really found it just mediocreAside from TADC the only other /co/ shows I liked were SU and OK-KO so maybe I'm just a faggot
>>153909794What do you mean 'under Jax'? Caine was the superpower tyrant rulling over them. Jax is just an isolated bully.
>>153909794You didn't get what I was saying, what I was saying that the build-up throughout the entire series over the reveal on their situation got solved in a snap and sidelined to that
>>153909767She's either the most obnoxious person ever or the bigest cock hungry whore
>>153909864she can be both at the same time
>>153909858>Aside from TADC the only other /co/ shows I liked were SU and OK-KO so maybe I'm just a faggotNo anon you just like good showsNo comment on the others because i havent seen then
>>153909838Yes Mr obvious, she is an onahole
>>153909873I'd fuck Israelite Goose
>>153909686hey look its that place we never went nor will ever go to...
>>153909767i want to see her twerking with oska
>>153909858Both the shows you hated and liked here suck. Cartoons really do feel like they are dying to be honest. I would not be surprised if they are just a niche at best next decade.
>>153909859Jax was a isolated bully that was contributing to make their lives hell, caine has bigger responsibility here but Jax would have helped kill everyone with his whole treating people as archetypes shit, no idea how he would have dealed being the only one that survives while being stuck with Caine.>>153909861I agree that some parts of the finale felt rushed.
>>153909733hes my favorite because hes my oc
>>153909895cartoons will be relegated to exclusive indie animation while western studios start increasing faux anime (they will absolutely fail at this simple task just look at dmc and castlevania cause they don't understand why anime works)
>>153909858Thats crazy im very much the contrary, i cannot watch anything anime anymore because its just repeated boring garbage to my brain
>>153909914google chromebug
>>153909916Excuse me sir...
>>153909921i can see it, chrome sucks and ive been using firefox because its easy for a brainlet like me
No matter what The One Who's Running the Show is always gonna be one of my favorite songs
>>153909622there really should be more episodes
>>153909920If you like reading I highly recommend you switch over to manga instead of anime, the problem with current anime isn't "all of it is repeated boring garbage" its "the only series adapted into anime now are normalfag slop", there are plenty of good releasing manga out there (or already finished great manga that will never be adapted at all)This post is probably the only post in the entire history of /co/ that will ever mention "Nikubami Honegishimi" but you should read it if you want something new and different, great manga
Both of these browsers fucking suck on my PC so i just stick with Edge>ERM BUT YOU ARE GIVING MICROSOFT YOUR INF-I dont care man i just want a browser that works and dont feels like im opening a car engine inside of my PC
>>153909952Edge is crazy. I didn't know anyone used it besides grandparents and Microsoft employees
>>153909757Now you can fuck Vinny if you want to but remember be careful or use protection.There's a non zero chance you'll expel seedlings if you just leave the sap in overnight.
>>153909947how different is it? i need something to read i guess since my favorite author(s) love to take years long hiatuses (or in one case, a decade long hiatus)
>>153909952Wasn't there a controversy recently that Edge literally doesn't bother encrypting your passwords at all on any level and stores them in plain text?
>>153909960It works really well if you can ignore it always opening on Bing>>153909967I dont store my passwords on my browser but i wouldnt be surprisedAgain i use it because Chrome and Firefox feel like im heating up a nuclear missile insde of my computer
>>153909967thats fine
read toxic
>>153909943dont worry, i will eventually start the candy canyon adventures comic ive been thinking of. (not my art, i wish i could draw this good)
>>153909984This porno is unrealistic. Ouma is a faggot.
>>153909767mime plap
>>153909966The main form of art I experience is manga and I'd say Nikubami Honegishimi is by far the most unique horror manga there is, I really think you should read it it started in 2023 and is on-going as of nowIf you want already-completed unique manga, "Golden Kamuy" is *very* unique, no other manga like it exists, and I'd say "Saikyou Densetsu Kurosawa" and all of FKMT's other works are very distinctivily his style and different from all other manga, "Souboutei" is very distinct and is the most esoteric of all my recommendations, if you like convoluted philosophy and complex situations you'll like it, and if you want something that feels like it's western you should try "Dorohedoro" which is very unique as well, these 4 are the most unique and great manga I can think of on the spotall of them have distinct artstyles as well, not the default isekaislop artstyle
>>153909999quads...
>>153909947>Nikubami HonegishimiOh, someone was posting a bunch of that, the same one who did the Welcome to Ghost Mansion storytime/translation.
>>153910000i love fukumoto, this shit right here is my favorite thing ive read in years. its got it all, and it does not hold back on the more gut-wrenching parts.
>>153909733favourite oc is cloud.. guy? ok look this is just an excuse to help me name this mf
>>153909947My problem with japanimation is not much that its slop, i like some slop here and there to have fun too (i wouldn't be on /co/ otherwise) but that its tropes are too inbred, repeated and annoying for me, media from other places of the globe simply do not have this problem for me.Also i already do read comics, i read some manga from time to time if they are interesting enough but im also very much sick and tired of the art style so its always a difficult sell to me unless its something different like Mob PsychoIdfk man even capeslop is more interesting to me than the average shonen at this point. Atleast there i can see roided up Batman doing cool shit and beating people up instead of 17yo quirky aggressive edgelord teenager going on a magic/sorcerer adventure to defeat the evil yokai/demons/fucking whatever.What's funny is that i used to be a big animehead like 6 years ago but i completely fell out of love with it thanks to internet overexposure.
>>153909385>discussion has gotten BORINGNigga this just startedNext week is gonna be an online shitshow
>go on a womans reddit where women post about their relationship problems, mostly mild shit>every single one of the comments on each post yells them to leave the Man at this instantHoly fucking shit are all women this poisonous? Like I think its not real, it has to be trannies at this point?
>>153910030Nega*
>>153909947Only sorta related, but i remember back in highschool i was watching through Jojo and i got up to part 4, and partway through the final Kira fight i had caught up and there were no more episodes. My impatient ass then decided to read a manga for the first time right then and there to finish the fight, and then i said fuck it and then started reading through the entirety of part 5 too
>>153910022i admittedly love slop too, i mean i read and watched nagatoro (lmao) but ive been keeping up with a little webcomic that i believe got serialized called "every adventure needs a weapon" or something like that, and its about a cute dumb(smart) blacksmith girl making shit for people and its a fun read and even has a little bit of lore at the end of chapters just for world building purposes
Where does this show fall in Strauss-Howe generational theory?
Hmm what will we do when ti's trruly done? It's not about the show. It's (you) that I'm going to miss the most... I don't know if I'm ready to leave you guys. :(
i'll be making my way back to /m/ after this shitshow
>>153910054I will think about (You) when jerking off to anthro women, dont worry anon
>>153910054I'll move on... and probably forget about you all.
Incoming rant because every time I'm in Digital Circus thread that isn't a general, there is always people winging about why being trans is a degenerate sin cause Gooseworx;Whenever I try to ask anons what's wrong with being trans, they always talk about the type of trans person they always see rather than the trans people they haven't seen. It's always how they're narcissistic pedophiles who get off to you calling them by their preferred pronouns and how they wanna fuck kids and make them hate themselves and mutilate themselves.I have never fucking once met a trans person like this. Not to say they don't exist, but I don't judge an entire group of people based on the bad people in that group. I know evil trans people exist, but Goose isn't fucking one of them.One guy in a thread said they recruited kids into their cult. What does that mean?
>>153910021Okay so since you weren't interested in just Petrichor as a name, what about we spice it up a bit by throwing a real name in there. Hmm...Alright, I got it. Petricory, take it or leave it.
>>153910022I guess one of the reasons i fell in love with TADC is that not only it completely abandons the churned in anime bullshit that alot of these western companies are trying to emulate nowadays (if i wanted to watch anime i would just do that) but it also takes alot of inspiration from a bunch of different places from the usual. I was marathoning soviet animation just like one week ago and it gave a me a ton of inspiration.Im probably one day going back to watch japanese cartoons again once this bad taste in my mouth eventually leaves and i can watch stuff without getting annoyed at everything, in the end is just that i want to watch and read something new and not the same things over and over again.>>153910047It's always difficult to follow webcomics thanks to the algorithm and weird eay some creators publish themselves. Webtoon makes it slightly more easier but the scrolling shit they have is very annoying to me for some reason.>>153910021Sorry man im really bad at names.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DYXyKvxxwhr/?igsh=MTI2enB3cTlyYmI0eg==
>>153910047>every adventure needs a weaponI was reading that but unironically couldn't anymore after learning the mangaka drew a cannibal girl killing a pregnant woman and eating the fetus in her apartment. Really fucked with me.>>153910041I just waited through each week for part 4 and 5 then dropped it come 6. Only got a full view of the series during the storytime, loved it there.
i wont forget you guys
>>153910080Im clicking on a instagram reels link on 4chan this better be good
>>153910080anon you forgot to delete the tracker from the url
>>153909514What I don't understand is why didn't Goose have Leroy transition in the real world?
>>153910090>>153910080This caine has breeding hips
>>153910069>Petricory...well then, ill fucking take it there you gopetricory and... ah shit the umbrella
>>153909514>acknowledges psychological complexity around gender>still misgenders Gooseworx
>>153910099Their journey not done yet yadda yadda they got good endings but they are still not perfectly happy with themsleves something something
>>153910099very meta foreshadowing
>>153910086>spoilerlmao. still a fun read and also part 7 is araki's magnum opus
What am I supposed to do when the show is over?
>>153910099>>153910115Also i think goose wanted Jax secret to be ambiguous even if really fucking obvious, if leeroy was trans irl it would make it too obvious
>>153910121>part 7Part 7 was good but by that point the average anon was becoming cynical and I kinda agreed with a lot of points. Also my favorite character (Diego) got fucking robbed. Part 4 is still my favorite.
>>153910021Maybe name him Gale?
>>153910126just sit there and collect moss and grow mushrooms out your ass
Michael and Goose are racist and say the N word.
>>153910004I haven't used /a/ properly in over 5 years but I do think they are fantranslated by the same group, Fuan No Tane and Fake Manga Q or whatever as well which are both good, anyways definitely check it out its so good and I feel like /co/fags would want to fuck Asama >>153910020Great taste I love Nikaido, I had a feeling reading it like "wow this is going to be his magnum opus" but its a shame how far behind the fantranslation is, there are like 70 untranslated chapters by now>>153910022>that its tropes are too inbred, repeated and annoying for meFrom my recommendations earlier, the only one that suffers from tropes like that really is Nikubami Honegishimi and that is purely in an art sense (the artist loves spamming this -> :3 face on characters), I get what you mean though>but im also very much sick and tired of the art style so its always a difficult sell to me unless its something different like Mob PsychoFrom all my recommendations, they all have very distinct artstyles I think you'll enjoy, FKMT by far is a plebfilter for /a/fags because they go "goo goo gaa gaa his artstyle is ugly!" just because its unique>Idfk man even capeslop is more interesting to me than the average shonen at this point.Shonen is just mostly bad, it's for children, of course there are few exceptions but most suck> Atleast there i can see roided up Batman doing cool shit and beating people up instead of 17yo quirky aggressive edgelord teenager going on a magic/sorcerer adventure to defeat the evil yokai/demons/fucking whatever.I get you, again, I'll shill my recommendations more verbosefully In my next post because I'm retarded and can't keep my posts under the 2000 character limit
>>153910067Generalization is a very trap to fall into
>>153910150Nega
>>153910113
>>153910150so is every other american. so what?
>>153910152jesus, 70 chapters? i cant fucking read moonrunes and i hate that i cant
>>153910112>ah shit the umbrellaUhhhh name it Sunny
>>153910022>Golden KamuyAbout the russo-japanese war, the oppression of the Ainu people and Communism beating Fascism>Nikubami HonegishimiFocused on horror, the manga starts showing the fucked up corpse of the (female) protagonist, you should read it its hard to explain but its really good and like SCP >FKMT's stuffvery grounded in reality, mostly about guys suffering due to money or society, very good mature stuff, Kaiji is about gambling, Saikyou Densetsu Kurosawa is about struggling as an old geezer that has no friends, Akagi is about a kid dethroning a evil billionare by playing board games with him, Nikaido is about golf ruining a man's life due to his obsessive personality, it goes on>DorohedoroVery chaotic, if you like western comics you'll like it, It's mainly about oppression too>SoubouteiIt's about art as a whole, the main protagonist and the main antagonist are both painters, but it's very esoteric in its way, I must say it has literally my favorite antagonist in all of fiction history from movies to books to everything, I highly recommend you go read it blind even if it has some animeyish parts 99% of it is crazy good stuff>What's funny is that i used to be a big animehead like 6 years ago but i completely fell out of love with it thanks to internet overexposure.I get you, but again, most of the internet only cares for boring shit, as you said, sometimes really good stuff like Mob Psycho gets popular, but most good stuff is unpopular>>153910041Jojo is really good, It's one of my favorite series of all time and I'm adoring Jojolands a lot, but it is kinda hard for a new manga reader to get into, specially since I think Part 2 is fucking shit and almost dropped the manga there from how bored I was, but all other parts are really good>>153910121>>153910139Part 7 is really good (and my favorite) but I do believe Araki's magnum opus will be jojolands as long as he doesn't fuck everything up at the end like jojolion
i wish this bitch would stop giving togashi the most amazing spinebreaking sex so he can keep working on hunter x hunter. it was just starting to get kino
>>153910153*very easy
>>153910112Someone said brella in a previous thread>>153910067Cultural war BS>>153910152>>153910174I will check out the things you mentioned, tkx
>>153910177yeah, and gangle was there!
Best episode?for me its 3
>>153910099It's notable that it would have outed Jax by proxy. Pomni and Pomni alone comes across this info with consent from Jax's "piano" persona.
>>153910198Either 4 or 5
>>153910153>>153910184YeahI just don't understand how anons who act like they're above that do nothing but that
>>153910198it's either 3 or 6 or 8 to me
With the ending leaked, where does the series as a whole fall regarding https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-4OmQUlBXWYngQRMnIMAf4FshZAyyffC?I spoilered it so the question mark wouldn't mess up the URL (I don't even know if it would)
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>>153910067I agree with you those people are retarded, I think most bigotry comes from both ignorance and people going "well changing my mind means admitting I was wrong... so I wont!", most people are also just completely manipulated by manufactured outrage by capitalists, the more people hate each other the more money they make>>153910130So basically she pussied out and instead of using her one and only chance to use an immensely popular series to influence the world for the better she didn't, really disappointing that its obviously what she wants Jax's character to be but... she just doesn't have the courage to put it in the actual series without subtexting it>>153910162Yup there's a lot and yeah it sucks, I tried learning japanese but I just can't its ridiculously hard>>153910188Hell yes
>>153910174> think Part 2 is fucking shit i think if you said that out loud anywhere near a jojo fan you'd get lynched like a black man during the peak of the confederacy
for me, its houkago teibou nisshi and asobi asobase
>>153910067It's true that not ALL transexuals are bad, but for every 10 good transexuals you find there's 1 that will put the other 9 reputation's down the grinder and destroy decades of progress
do you guys ever sing songs in other languages then your own or english? like every now and then ill hear the dub of a song or an original one from another country and feel good when i learn the lyrics
>>153910188I guess i probably should give recommendations too but idk what you like to give something accurate to your tastes to be honest lmfao. But i guess the more recent runs ive been enjoying so far are Absolute Batman, Absolute Martian Manhunter and Absolute Wonder Woman. They are all very easy to get into.>>153910216Idk i like the approach she did of leaving alot of things ambiguous, especially nowadays in a time where shows are getting more obvious and dumb to cater to the tiktok audience that are watching something with their phone on their hands.
>>153910067I think that all trans people are delusional and that gender is a spook, but I also think that human beings are 3-dimensional and that being trans is a relatively small negative in the grand scheme of things.But this is the internet where nuance is illegal, so people love to stack all possible negatives on top of each other with only the vaguest throughline.
>>153910216I'm so glad I'm not the only one here. I just don't know how the fuck can anons who think they've got a third eye and know all be so manipulated by hate like this. Even when Epstein was a thing, they said how much he LOVES trans people and was a democrat because of an email someone sent him, and how much he loves Jews and how he was a Jew too.They're THIS CLOSE to realizing the issue with the world yet always fall back into being hateful fucks while believing they are not hateful. I can't help but watch like a car crash at these pseudo intellectuals, it actually makes great study for how to write a compelling villain because true evil is thinking you're doing good when you're not.But I digress, digital circus is cool, haven't seen the last act, gonna see it in theaters
>>153910199Caine doesn't understand people very well.I could see him outing Jax by accident in the slideshow because he doesn't get that it's such a personal and private thing for humans.He's just like "Look! Your friend Jax is so happy he changed her name!"
>>153910231>Thread has gone from the circus to anime/manga and the perception of transgender people.>>153910238Always
>>153910224This is genuinely depressing
Do anons here visit /feral/ on /trash/ from time to time?I do
>>153910249/lgbt/ colony
>>153910241Also jax being trans is very much still way too fucking obvious, its not like just a slight hint or anything its a glaring BIG RED FLASHING WITH HORNS sign (theres a fucking egg mural in the goddamn credits for Godssake). So to say she pussied out completely is false, it could have been way more subtle if she wanted to.
I've seen some twittards theorizing that the leaks are fakeThey're absolutely not fake and it's just cope, but it would be funny if they were fake since pretty much everyone has shown their ass since they came out
>>153910238sure, but only with silly songs that are in spanish like this https://youtube.com/watch?v=WPiEbYSF9kE or this https://youtube.com/watch?v=FzG4uDgje3M
>>153910231Why does it have to be one to ruin the reputation of a whole group?>>153910249Me and my big mouth>>153910257We share a board with those guys and digital circus is the gayest thing since gay town
>>153910261>different movie based on the GDP level of your country
>>153910238English not my native language but aside from it i also listen to songs in spanish and japanese from time to time. If mostly depends on what my spotify recommendations gives me.
>>153910256i dont but i can imagine what the subject matter is (very smrat)
>>153910231So this pic? Why does one person have to ruin the reputation of a whole group by just existing?
>>153910256The only other place i visit from /co/ is /sp/
>>153910224>No "or i retire" portion of the meme (the best part)>Doesn't make the number 007>>153910238I can't help myself but sing along whenever I hear https://youtu.be/eiHqkDoFFFU?si=IpXf39YY0b24P9Sw , man that song is so peak
>>153910276Because alot of people want to have a acceptable target from their grievances to avoid thinking why they are even upset to begin with. Its very useful for politicians too when the populace blames some random minority on why their lives are complete garbage rather than the actual people on power.
>>153910221I'm a very diehard Jojo fan, I've read most of the translated novels (including the rohan ones which I love deeply as opposed to a lot of jojofags which for some reason dislike Rohan's spinoff), the Phantom Blood Musical, the live action Rohan show, and Araki's few other manga, however Part 2 is really just Araki at his weakest and by far made worse by it being a "product of it's time"Lisa Lisa is a nothing character, her novel "El Aleph" is fun but that doesn't fix how much of a nothingburger she is in the story, even Caesar is completely shafted and doesn't do anything other than be besties with Joseph and die, all 3 pillarmen are defeated by Joseph, he pretty much gets all of the focus in the entire part and he is really just not that good of a character in Part 2, I enjoy his appearance in later parts as a more experienced man, but Part 2 Joseph is just a generic cool shonen MC (of its time, not nowadays of course)The whole nazis thing also leaves a bad taste in my mouth, I didn't have an issue with it when I read it in 2017 but I re-read it last year and I was like "ehhh" since fascism is more prevalent nowadaysIt just doesn't have the sauce the other parts have, Part 1 had great supporting characters, Speedwagon, William, they are both awesome, Part 2 is just a downgrade, only Joseph matters in the good side, and the villains don't have enough scenes by themselvesI'm babbling, this is a fucking digital circus thread, I should stop talking now>>153910241>>153910260You are forgetting WE are the exception, most people wont get it, and a lot of retards will have plausible deniability to say "uh you're delusional it was never directly stated so it isn't true!", compare that to the world where thousands of kids get to grow up with a direct trans-positive message in their life of "don't repress, transition or you'll probably hurt yourself and those you care for"I know seeing gay people in Steven Universe as a kid influenced me for the better
>>153910256i do occasionally, quite based anon
It's a good way to learn SOME new language lolfor years now I know the lyrics for isabella's songs from encanto in italian it's feels so fancy even if I can't roll my Rs like they do (how they even do that??)
>>153909125>>153909140>>153909157>I really want to discuss itOkay then I’ll weigh in.In my opinion, Goose correctly ascertained that had they made Jax’s “thing”, and therefore the ending and climax of the whole show, about “being trans” specifically and bluntly, it would have been hacky and fucking lame.1. Goose themselves is a trans person, and by pulling a major trans reveal in the ending, it would come across as making their eclectic and interesting show, loved by all kinds of people for all kinds of reasons, specifically about their personal identity experience directly. Their social issue. It turns the whole thing into a PSA or saturday morning special that supports a cause that can be summarized on a bumper sticker “trans people matter”. Rather than let this social issue dominate the discussion, memory and experience of the show, Goose decided to leave those elements up to interpretation and subtext.2. The show up until the finale has been far more abstract, and therefore universal, with its themes. Everyone can relate to feeling like they don’t belong, or being misunderstood, but once you make it about being specifically trans, suddenly the message is hyper specific and loaded. By doing it as Goose did, Jax’s struggle can be related to and felt and understood by far more people.3. We lived through and are still living through the decline of blunt “woke virtue signaling” in media. It’s no longer groundbreaking or bold or subversive, such things have become old hat. Goose isn’t chasing “I’m team X so I’m a good person” points, nor are they an “own the chuds” kind of person. TADC’s themes apply to humans in general, and the story is not about the social issue war.(1/2)
We know about the "Unanswered questions" but what unanswered questions have piss easy answers anyone could come up with to resolve? Like i don't think it takes too much to understand why a guy with a brain tumor was trying to make a digital copy of himself
>>1539103084. Goose clearly is hyper aware of who fans think and characterfaggotry in general. A lot of the intentional ambiguity in the series is there to allow for conflicting interpretations that best fit what an individual wants to see in the series. Trans subtext is there for people who want that, but it’s kept broad and vague enough for people who don’t.In short, the story didn’t need to be about Jax being trans. Jax’s arc of self destruction due to a fear of being vulnerable and having to change can apply to so many more types of people than trans people. It’s not self censorship or chickening out, it’s distilling what could have been a partisan social cause message into a universal human message. Subtlety is tasteful, inviting fans to interpret your work is respecting our intelligence. Goose made the right choice. The work will age better and is more artful done this way. And maybe, it’ll reach people who never could have been touched by the sledgehammer version of this story.
>>153910278I support trans people, I just don't support Goose as a writer
>>153910291I dont know how the average person will take from this but im getting more denial that Jax is trans in these threads than anywhere else.I understand your point but i don't think Goose shouldnt feel obligated to change her ending just for some kind of common good, she is not responsible for that, because if that was the case she wouldn't write Jax the way she did and would just make them a empathetic character.I want Goose's artistic vision for this show not a PSA on why hating trans people is bad.
Comics and cartoons?
>>153910332Should feel obligated*
>>153910290Thanks Caine, you know what's up
i don't particularly care about trans people. Like, if i hear that you're trans my opinion of you will go down a little, but i'd still be willing to give you a chance, it's not too big of a deal
im talking about my animes and mangas, now i just wanna say that i wanna nibble on Princess Loolilalu's jelly bean clit
>>153910342No problem strange looking Pomni!
idk why anyone is surprised. the core thing that makes someone trans is hating themselves alot so it makes sense goose would write the show like this.
>>153909718Goose owed us an oiled up twerk off between Ragatha and Pomni… the show had set it up so much and it was just completely dropped. What a fraud.
>>153910345I feel the same way
I just feel bad for Jax and wish he didn't die in such a mean way. And since he died I want to pick apart the story beats that lead to it and consider it character assassination. But I still have yet to watch the movie in theaters and by that point I'll probably be far past the grieving process. So I'll just passively weigh in.
>>153910366Its very tragic and sad but a logical endpoint of their character anon. Self isolating to that point could only end that way.
>>153910366Instead of approaching the show with a confirmation bias, might it be better to give goose the benefit of the doubt and try to see what they were going for instead?
>>153910374And even if Jax regretted in the end it was too late by that point.
>>153910243NTA but you bring up "spook" which is a Max Stirner thing, is deciding to be what you want to be regardless of what was decided for you at birth not the most egoist thing? if gender is a spook then surely you don't have an issue with nonbinary trans people?>>153910244I believe society is just doomed, hate will always win because its the most profitable emotion, far more profitable than love, unless a miracle like a mass revolution happens I doubt anything will change, and well nothing ever happensHope you enjoy the movie! I did, only time being brazilian has benefited me>>153910332I get what you mean, still, there is no need to make Jax an empathetic character, something as minor as making IRL Jax have transitioned, without even an explanation, would fix every issue with how Goose handled the story-not treated like a PSA-no redemption for Jax-but also no plausible deniability for plebs who can't into subtext-easier for normies to understand since their brains are shrinkingBut yes, subtext is better than nothing, I just hope one day Goose speaks up "yeah that's what it all meant" so online discussion about this show isn't fucked forever due to /pol/tards>>153910308>1As I said, all subtext is already there, simply changing "Leroy" to fucking "Jane" would be enough, artists should tell unique stories only they can tell, Jax without being trans is just a total retard who freaked out and ruined everything for no reason>2 / once you make it about being specifically trans, suddenly the message is hyper specific and loaded. This is just not true, situations don't need to be the exact same as yours for you to relate to them, someone who is treated like shit for their skin color can relate to someone being treated like shit for being trans>3I don't think the any of this matters, art should stand on it's own across time, I agree bland virtue signaling is bad, which is why I dont want Jax redeemed, he should 100% always die, for repressing
>>153910366normally I'd feel bad too but they the finale re-contextualized a few things and showed us some more info that ultimately made me dislike and lose any sympathy i had for him so I kinda just think he had it coming.I've been telling you this for days but Jax was given chances over and over again and in every single turn he would just refuse and make things worse for himself.before that I was team "give jax a happy ending too" but idk he just doesn't deserve one.
>>153910349Had to immortalize this interaction, thanks
>>153910402they would say that
>>153910366Nah i get you i'm gonna write a fic some time that's gonna rewrite the finale so that he lives
>>153910316>4Is this not just her being a total coward? who the fuck cares about characterfaggotry, characters are tools to tells a story, she should be firm in what her story is trying to tell>Jax’s arc of self destruction due to a fear of being vulnerable and having to change can apply to so many more types of people than trans people.Yes, but Jax has NO REASON to be the way he is, his """reason""" is a complete non-issue, no one would care there, he freaked out over a completely supportive person, there is no danger whatsoever in his situation, unlike if, lets say, the trans subtext was made into the focus, obviously him being trans would be an enormous issue and something to be insecure about and worried about the reception of others>It’s not self censorship or chickening out, it’s distilling what could have been a partisan social cause message into a universal human message.You don't NEED a message to be vague for it to be applicable to many things, as I said before, stories about racism can be applied to literally every single oppressed group, stories about wanting freedom can be applied to every single person that feels shackled be it due to monetary, physical, ideological, etc reasons>inviting fans to interpret your work is respecting our intelligence.The problem is WE are smart, the average person will not get it
>>153910412evil pomni is quite well spoken when she isnt being a demonic goblin
So who was the real winner in the end?Pomni?Jax?Ragatha?Kinger?Me?You?
>>153910420Ignore my embarrassing typos It's 5am I should sleep... total love for Caine
>>153910381I think we are gonna have to wait and see how normies will take this ending before jumping to conclusions./pol/shitters will be /pol/shitters regardless and if Jax was even more obviously trans they would just whine that it's corrupting the youth or whatever.>>153910402Oh shit that's me!
>>153910428Not me, that's for sure
>Caine is capable of manipulating / controlling minds (Episode 7 climax)>Caine is capable of implanting visions (Episode 6 trust game scene)>Neither get mentioned in the finale, despite the former being the massive reveal from Episode 7 >Ending absolves Caine of all guilt & he ends up as a respected and equal member of the human group hold the line, copebros. there's still hope.
>>153910428Caine
>>153910428Characters that won>Pomni>Ragatha>Gangle>Zooble>Kinger>Caine>Bubble>Gummigoo>Max>Chad>Princess Loolilalu>The Fudge>Kaufmo>Ribbit>Scratch>Ghostly>Baron Mildenhall>Martha Mildenhall>The Creature>Orbsman>The Gloinks>Queen Gloink>The Moon>The Sun>Orange Crappy-Looking Fish>Red Crappy-Looking Fish>Shrimp>Disappearing Guy>Evil Pomni>Evil Jax>Evil Ragatha>Coach Dictatorer>Bazooble>Evil Orbsman>Ming>AbelCharacters that lost>Jax
>>153910428Honestly? Caine.
>>153910428The real winner was the friends we made along the way
>>153910440it would be the funniest shit ever, i'd love to see something like that just to see how the thread reacts
>>153910444actually put bubble in a third secret list.he didn't win but he didnt lose either he was just let go
are my hands fat?https://files.catbox.moe/2gck3z.jpg
>>153910428The humans who weren't involved in this mess
>>153910445Damn right boy
>>153910436You're right, I just wanted to rant because I know I'll get mad in the future once I bring up Jax being trans and some retard goes "ermmm it was neeever explicit so that's just your headcanon!"
>>153910448A'awwwThe amazing digital circus was always inside each of us.
>>153910381>simply changing "Leroy" to fucking "Jane" would be enoughSimply changing Leroy to Jane takes away subtlety and interpretation, dumbing down the wider universal message to be about something specific, and insults the audience’s intelligence.>Jax without being trans is just a total retard who freaked out and ruined everything for no reasonNot at all, it’s perfectly believable that a guy with any form of intimacy/masculinity/vulnerability issues could get to the point that they create a toxic overcompensating persona that causes bad things to happen, and then those bad things happening can cause that person to hate themselves and double down into a sunken cost spiral of embracing their negative mask to avoid confronting what they’ve done and that they always had the power to fix it. The only piece that’s necessary for Jax’s arc is that Jax can’t be vulnerable and connect, transness is but a viable interpretation as to why that is.>I don't think the any of this mattersI think that context matters. There’s no glass ceiling being broken here. In our context Goose can be blunt and dime a dozen, or subtle and artful.
>>153910456theyre hands alright
Gangle looks like Hata no Kokoro, a character known for her hypnotism and mindbreak hentai
>>153910456A tad but you got normal hands for an adultAlso glass cocacola? I didnt knew they still made those
>>153910383Jax having his chances is an easy thing to say in hindsight. Had any of us been in a mental position where you were in constant fear/paranoia over people getting close due to past traumas i don't think most people will even figure out the cycle before even heal from it
>>153910456you got good looking hands, babe
>>153910140That's a good one I like it too
>>153910462All of the shipfags got their special moment in the movie but bluetooth moment was so beautiful it sold me on the ship immediately >>153910486you need to do that with that Jax pictures for it to work
>>153910374I could've saved him!! It's my feelings that are acting up. So I'll just read and maybe write fanfiction about it and take some more time.>>153910376Eh, I don't wanna. I've already read enough about intention and all that. I really can't care, just consume stories as stories, for entertainment.>>153910383Since the finale is the big switch I'm just going to ignore it! As I said, character assassination and all that. Also through your posts were several others from people stating this and that and author insert and reasoning for the ending so my mind is too jumbled to come to a conclusion. Or more that I can ignore all of that and come to my conclusion of not liking it cause I feel horrible.>>153910417I'd be glad to read it. I'm writing my own little piece but I'm a super slow and flakey writer so it's likely I'll hit a roadblock a week into 1000 words and give up.
>>153910484It's even easier to make excuses.We've ALL went thru stressful moments and we ALL had to make choices on what's best for us.Jax believed what was best for him wa isolating himself and building walls and hurting others.He was actively choosing this path and it lead to where it did and he only regretted it when it was too late to turn back.
>>153910428Caine got away with everything.
>>153910440>jax gets brainwashed no less than three times over the course of the showEither way it's pretty weird if you think about it.
>>153910467Not much we can do sadly!>>153910501Its hard to know how you can even save someone like jax, i remember someone here suggesting checking up on him from time and time again in the same way you do with a cat but idk.As i said previously, Pomni objectively made everyones lives 100% better when she joined the circus but she also was ultimately what killed Jax because of her attachment.
>>153910316>Jax’s arc of self destruction due to a fear of being vulnerable and having to change can apply to so many more types of people than trans people. It’s not self censorship or chickening out, it’s distilling what could have been a partisan social cause message into a universal human message.NTA but I like this take. I don't think Goose succeeded (quite the opposite, Jax got so loaded with poor behaviour that a huge chunk of viewers have adopted a "ding dong the witch is dead" attitude to his downfall with some becoming actively hostile towards people who related to his vulnerability issues), but I appreciate that she tried.On the point of not succeeding, I think the amount of "Jax is trans" hints also still alienate fans who don't accept that viewpoint, by starting fights between "Jax is trans/cis" truthers.Overall I feel like this whole show is a potential masterpiece that's unfortunately been lost in a catastrophic failure lol. Of course Goose isn't to blame for all of it, fans are gonna do what they're gonna do, but I think clearer communication in the story pretty much always leads to a less polarised fanbase
>>153910456Lookin' good, mate!
>>153910473>Simply changing Leroy to Jane takes away subtlety and interpretation, dumbing down the wider universal message to be about something specificYou do not need a wider universal message to relate to, you keep talking about insulting the audience's intelligence, yet you are saying stuff like every audience member is too retarded to go "wow, Jax struggles with the shame of telling others he is trans... just like I struggle with the shame of telling others im (insert thing like, being gay, being of a different religion, being sick, being poor, being of drug addict parents, yadda yadda)>Not at all, it’s perfectly believable that a guy with any form of intimacy/masculinity/vulnerability issues could get to the point that they create a toxic overcompensating persona that causes bad things to happen, and then those bad things happening can cause that person to hate themselves and double down into a sunken cost spiral of embracing their negative mask to avoid confronting what they’ve done and that they always had the power to fix it.Jax is the way he is for no reason, as you said, its a "vague wider universal message", but it stands for nothing, he freaks out over literally nothing, it doesn't make his character relatable it makes him look completely retarded, you don't want him to be trans? thats fine, you could literally have made him go like "i had cancer and im afraid people will treat me differently if they find that out so im insecure and don't want anyone to know" not "ummm ribbit I maaay have killed my abusive mother (BY ACCIDENT MIND YOU), anyways I know you just told me you'll literally never mention that to anyone ever and that you're totally supportive and even comforted me on it but i hate you now and want you gone, despite the fact not a single member of the circus will give a fuck if they find out there is a possibility i accidentally killed someone that was abusing me"
>>153910420>Is this not just her being a total coward?No, Goose is not a coward for telling their story more subtly and with room to interpret their characters. Goose cares about how people play with character as someone who plays with characters themselves.>Jax has NO REASON to be the way he isA traumatic experience outside being vulnerable to his family + a traumatic experience inside being vulnerable to ribbit and then locking up like a clam and pushing her away until she was gone. That’s plenty reason enough. His issues are not solely experienced by trans people, the specific doesn’t matter to goose and is not necessary to tell the story.>You don't NEED a message to be vague for it to be applicable to many thingsBut a little sugar lets the medicine go down. Artful abstraction and universalizing the message has benefits and I think it paid off here. No need to have your show pigeonholed as the trans show when it has something to say that applies to all people.>the average person will not get itI don’t think a person needs to think Jax is trans to get it. People will understand how he shuts people out and how self isolation leads to self destruction.
Idk i still liked the ending even after rewatching, not a masterpiece but a 8/10 for me that could be a 9 or even a 10 if it had 2 more episodes and be less rushed
>>153910555this show really needed more episodes but also I give it a 6/10. it's not awful like what people say it is but it feels mega rushed and really confusing on what it's trying to say (would've 7/10 if it showed my fave but it didnt)
>>153910456With that Coke in your hand, they're even fatter.
>>153910481Thinking better about it i should never judge your hands considering how skeleton like, veiny and skinny my hands areIm the abnormal one here lmfao>>153910564Is your fave gummigoo by any chance
>>153910555Based and same, solid 8 with some pacing issues at the top of the episode and with Caine’s stuff, but it got Jax right and the right ending.
>>153910570How could you have ever guessed?
>>153910481glass coke is the best, its a bitch to buy when you haul 24 bottles at once
I think you guys will like the ending a tad more once you hear it in a language you can actually understand>>153910579Biggest problem with Caine stuff for me was them solving the circus off screen and never adressing itAlso the color parts were always difficult for me to understand but thats because im just stupid>>153910588Had a feeling
Which OC is the most FERTILE?
>>153910553>Goose cares about how people play with character as someone who plays with characters themselves.I feel like this is just a really bad way to write things, but if people really enjoy that including the author I just have to accept it being the way it is, I've never read fanfics for example>A traumatic experience outside being vulnerable to his family + a traumatic experience inside being vulnerable to ribbit and then locking up like a clam and pushing her away until she was gone. That’s plenty reason enough.He acted like a complete retard, being vulnerable (about something as minor as what he was being vulnerable about) to your supportive best friend who wants to suck your cock and would never betray you is not "fuck up the life of 2 people and then kill myself later" worthy>But a little sugar lets the medicine go down. Artful abstraction and universalizing the message has benefits and I think it paid off here. No need to have your show pigeonholed as the trans show when it has something to say that applies to all people.Even if it were the trans show the message would still apply to literally all kinds of people, you already see trans people viewing the messages from non-trans shows in the lens of it being about transness, a "trans show" could also be viewed through the lens of being about other things, as I said, the message doesn't need to be directly about your situation for you to relate to it>I don’t think a person needs to think Jax is trans to get it. People will understand how he shuts people out and how self isolation leads to self destruction.Yes, this will be understood, but the reason for his behavior is just comically stupid that it undermines the value of the message with how poorly done it is
>>153910603I feel like the plant-based ones win that category.
>>153910383This is my problem with the writing. The Jax we saw in the flashbacks is a lot worse than the Jax we've known. So on one hand learning this shit makes him look fucking horrible, the sequence has us watch someone dig his own grave right before burying him in it.But on the other the actual chronology reaffirms that he was in fact improving for quite a long period of time, and therefore wasn't actually not too far gone.There was no big "this is your chance, take it" moment in episode 9 to really feel his failure. He was given that in episode 8, and he took it. So while it's a good theoretical trajectory for a character, I just don't think it works in execution.Episode 9 has him lashing out at the others, but in a needlessly contrived situation, and honestly not going as far as you'd expect him to under the circumstances. He does as far as being "this is a really bad setback," not "this is him fucking blowing it." And him walking away from Pomni doesn't count either, because he's the one who approached her, which on its own is more than he's literally ever done. So to punish him so gravely for a lack of follow through on his biggest leap doesn't feel right either.If instead Pomni had approached him one last time and he fobbed her off, it'd feel very earned. If he'd lashed out at Pomni so bad that she fobbed him off, it'd feel very earned. But it's left in an in-between stage to where his off-screen abstraction just feels awkward, and where his on-screen abstraction only feels earned if you ignore everything outside of the sequence leading up to it.
>>153910594just buy 3 liter bottles like a savage (me)
>>153910551>You do not need a wider universal message to relate toThis is where I tend to disagree. Obviously not NEED, but I believe that universal themes are necessarily more applicable and are better received on average. For this issue in this climate in particular, doing the trans thing gets you pigeonholed as the show about being trans. Just as science fiction has always abstracted specific cultural circumstances into new contexts (exploring racism through aliens just as an example) it is the recontextualizing of the thing that not only reaches more people, but lends your work a timelessness that can more easily be applied to further contexts (everyone thinks 1984 agrees with their political worldview for example). There is a time and place for a blunt specific message in your work, but abstraction is a perfectly valid and tasteful way to approach it, ESPECIALLY in this genre and this style of show which is already abstract and outside the context of our lived reality.
>>153910621they make those?? I only get get and see the 2.5 ones
>>153910621no, it NEEDS to be glass, plastic ones taste 10 times worsebelieve me, just drink a coke in a glass bottle and tell me im wrong
>>153910594Last soda i ever drank in a bottle wasnt coke or pepsi but GuaranáAnd you are correct, something about the glass just makes it taste better and sweeterMaybe its just my mind playing tricks on me but who knows? I dont even drink soda that much anyway, something about the gas always makes me feel weird.
>>153910635coke tastes good no matter what the bottle is like its just that the glass one tastes gooder
>>153910635you are not wrong. soda in glass bottles are like the ambrosia version of their sodas
>>153910374>Self isolating to that pointpft, Jax was a lightweight
>>153910285>>153910255better?
Ive been drinking glass coke for like 3 months now, plastic bottle version tastes like crap now, if they ever pull back glass ones from stores im doomed
>>153910525If the circus remained at a status quo and didn't degenerate so quickly (wait, the timeframe is months between episodes right? I was under the assumption of like a week or something.) I think there's a chance to become someone important and worm your way in. But Ragatha also never managed to do that cause Jax could find fault in her demeanor (or maybe he just doesn't want anyone from his Ribbit era). Pomni was on the way there during episode 6. That's why so many fanfiction put that as the starting point for greater development of their relationship. I don't know, I think the changing circumstances were what sent Jax over the deep end rather than him just eventually cracking, like if they had more episode 4-5-6's something could've worked. From what I can see Ribbit tried the cat method after being spurned and it failed miserably. Outgoing behavior past episode 6 like maybe confronting him in the bathroom during the popularity awards (a fanfiction idea) is all I can come up with.
>>153910652Stop drinking coke, you'll die of sugar AIDS.
>>153910647To be fair you didn't kill your gf and your friend before chudding out in the puter
>>153910652why didnt your grandparents invest in coke so they could pass down their shares to you and have unlimited glass coke bottles? do they hate you or something?
>>153910604i think that the problem is that the more targeted you make your messages the more it adds on that the viewer can't relate to. Besides, i think that there would be a lot of people that would get turned off from the show being known as the trans show. i don't think most people are transphobic but i do think that a lot would find it weird enough to just skip it for another show
>>153910523>yfw Jax only abstracted because Caine messed with him too much like Scratch and lost track of his fun little modifiers adding up
>>153910666quite poigniant, satan
>>153910652Dont drink so much soda its bad for your health!>>153910654It depends on alot of factors, i think Ribbit was the one that reached the cloest to make Jax accept himself (or herself) but Kaufmo ruined it. And you can't really tell the others circus members about whats happening for them to help or atleast stay out of it because if Jax knew you did that he would kill you and them himself.Very difficult situation.
>>153910657>>153910674what are you my mom?geez ive been drinking soda all my life and im fineeeee
>>153910604I disagree, a little room to interpret is fun, some of my favorite works, like Evangelion or Twin Peaks, are like this. Incentivizing play is one of the reasons this show got as successful as it is, and as a person who likes to speculate and interpret the media I’m watching I have no issues with hints and subtext over every mystery being solved.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0JEUh1O7GY>He acted like a retardBut a believable retard nonetheless. I’ve seen people destroy their lives in much the same way, specifically alcoholics I’ve known, and their stories don’t always end with them recovering and making a change. Sometimes people double down until they die.>as minorTo you? That’s part of the empathy test. His paranoia isn’t how you or I think, but I can understand it just fine.>it could still applyWe just don’t see eye to eye on this issue. Could it still apply? Yes. Would as many people be interested in applying “the trans show” to themselves? I don’t think so. Goose chose to broaden the appeal and it worked.>his behavior is just comically stupidJust have to agree to disagree on this one mate.I’m not able to wall of text for too much longer but that’s my angle. Mull it over or don’t.
>>153910555It was a good ending, but I would've felt robbed if I paid to watch it in theaters.Does that make any sense?
>>153910683What if i am huh??? What if i am your mother behind this pomni avatar????? What if im worried about you???????????tbf i could go for a drink rn
You know it's not how much but how oftenI like to reward myself eith a little candy every now and then! love me jellybeans and coke for a lunch
>>153910659You don't know that
>>153910649>He made an original rhymeHonestly? peak, it's perfect nowGood job anon
Cocaine for lunch
>>153910627I just don't understand why you people keep repeating this, I can assure you NO ONE in these threads has fucking pushed their abusive mom away and accidentally possibly killed her and yet you had a dozen people saying they relate to Jax in earlier threadsThe only difference from making Jax's insecurity be about that vs being about transness is that Jax's mom bullshit is completely retarded and dumbs down his character by making him seem just impossible to defend since no one would really give a shit about that and it's not even part of his self like cancer or transness would be, as you say you only feel otherwise because of "this climate", but is that not dragging down art? this art is being made NOW, it won't be "dated" in 100 years because it has trans people, trans people will still exist in 100 years because they had trans faggotry like third genders hundreds of years ago, and even then, people experience art from ages ago and still enjoy them despite them being "dated", I read Journey To The West and despite it taking place in the fucking Tang Dinasty I still deeply enjoyed it and related to the characters even if their issues would never happen nowadays>>153910666>i think that the problem is that the more targeted you make your messages the more it adds on that the viewer can't relate toThis is only if the viewer is completely incapable of intelligent thought and relating the experiences of others to his own>Besides, i think that there would be a lot of people that would get turned off from the show being known as the trans show.I really don't think this matters for a show as big as TADC, and I don't think Goose cares about making her gay cartoon safe for chuds
>>153910691uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
>>153910635I'm not sure where you're from, but in the US, Coke in plastic bottles is made with corn syrup, while Coke in glass bottles is imported from Mexico and made with sugar.I don't think the container is what makes the difference there.
>>153910687Nah i get that, for a theatrical release i was expecting something a little more out there atleast visually, like EoE.But it wasn't Goose's fault Glitch decided for a theatrical release.>>153910696We know everything about you anon.
>>153910691Name your poison and I'll pick the place, luv.
>>153910709Im in eu
If real life Jax had the same problems but overcame it anyways, shouldn't the point be that the circus was the worst place for someone with Jax's mental struggles?
coke-drinking-gangle-poster, you keep acting smug and im gonna put a curse on you and make you get kidney stones
>>153910703>I don't think Goose cares about making her gay cartoon safe for chudsClearly not, as you want to exclude them and Goose didn’t do it.
>>153910699ty
https://x.com/KernelStarch/status/2059369882588676575
>>153910710>We know everything about you anon.
>>153910726smug? what? when?I just stated my opinion on cokewhy are you so mean?you want to put curses on me?
What if Goose just wanted to make a cartoon for all kinds of people and knew that going full transgender psa in the end would run antithetical to that goal?
>>153910709I think it also has to do with how the chemicals interact with glass vs a tincan>>153910707
>>153910716yep
>>153910734She was a normie accountant with probably a good family and decent social life. It's still fucking retarded that she doesn't talk about her family one time, but most of them don't.
>>153910674Yeah, one off-hand Zooble comment might tick Jax off, no matter if they were in on it or not. He has some massive paranoia problems. And it might take several gun adventures to coax him into opening giving enough to be seen less as a liability and more as a confidant. His line of saying that he will regret what he shared is familiar. I honestly see myself in him in ways. I'm deathly paranoid of being perceived for my problems. And the last/only person I've confided everything in I right ruined the connection in a way that left me vomiting whatever I ate for days afterwards. I'm starting to realize my thoughts on this character are a little too personal.
>>153910742you are tempting fate by only drinking coke. drink water or else you will get diabetes and kidney stones and your teeth will melt
>>153910685>I disagree, a little room to interpret is fun, some of my favorite works, like Evangelion or Twin Peaks, are like this. Incentivizing play is one of the reasons this show got as successful as it is, and as a person who likes to speculate and interpret the media I’m watching I have no issues with hints and subtext over every mystery being solved.I understand this, though I don't like it as much as you do, however a normal "mystery" is not the same as "the driving force of the main character's behavior may or may not be because of this, see these trillion subtext clues but also they just never mention it flat out for some reason lol sorry buy the pomni popcorn bucket">But a believable retard nonetheless. I’ve seen people destroy their lives in much the same way, specifically alcoholics I’ve known, and their stories don’t always end with them recovering and making a change. Sometimes people double down until they die.Yes, but those people had reasons to act retarded, alcoholism is a real brutal condition, again its good that Jax died, but the reason for why he died is so fucking stupid it makes the story worse>To you? That’s part of the empathy test. His paranoia isn’t how you or I think, but I can understand it just fine.His paranoia is based on nothing, compare what he is worried about to having cancer/being trans/being an alcoholic/ACTUALLY having killed someone on purpose, and you'll see how he acted beyond stupid, it's not an empathy test, Goose just picked a completely ridiculous motivation, it's like if he freaked out over having gone into debt outside and now he's worried the circus members will freak out because he is in debt ahhhh thats evil or something!>Would as many people be interested in applying “the trans show” to themselves? I don’t think so. Goose chose to broaden the appeal and it worked.Again, why would Goose care about transphobic people not watching her show?
Whats your opinion on cocaine then smartass>>153910713I want a uuuh i wnanaa aa i want a a i want to i wan- ... do you come here often?>>153910754Dw anon i also see myself on him too, im not trans but i used to be like him when i was younger.
I finally got around to watching this and my chief complaint in what I don't like about this show is that it has like once per episode a very blunt and almost so ridiculous it borders on satirical moment where it gets serious but the writer cannot into subtlety whatsoever so the characters outright monologue the theme it's aiming for. Also the anime stuttering the characters do gets worse as the series goes on. It feels like rather than testing the boundaries of their creativity the creator just fell into their reliable library of plot elements
>>153910756I drink watera bit less but I do drink it
>>153910745>Centrism is good actually
>>153910713nta and that still made me blush dang '///'
>>153910766Well, did you like it?
>>153910703the people that i was referring to were not the chuds, but whatever i'm too tired to keep this up so i'm just gonna say that i win and i was right about everything and that you're wrong
>>153910777You get the trips.You get the final word.You get to act nonchalant.But, I get to masturbate to Caine again tonight.So who really wins?Thank you for talking to me.
>>153910763Well let me state that I'm not trans either.>youngerIt happened when I was 19 and now I'm months into 20 so I firmly still am in the younger part of it.
>>153910775ye I can't complain too much about something I eatched for free but I'm not really the target audience I suspect and I found jax to be obnoxious
>>153910767drink more water. i had a scare where i suddenly had sudden pains in my side that made me hold my breath and thought it may have been the start of the process of passing kidney stones
>>153910763Honestly? more often than I'd like to haha
>>153910787I used to not want or let anyone connect with me and that led me into a very bad spiral of isolation.It was so bad to this day i still cannot really explain why i did it, my mind just wont let me.This was when i was like 11 through 14 Im now 21 so im way better >>153910790Im glad, did you watch the movie tho?
Meaningless Wall Of Text son or Shameless Erotic Roleplaying In The Thread daughter?
>>153910808I'm fucking the daughter
Should I make a blatant fetish OC?
>>153910808Erp in the thread daughter all day every day, at least that's entertaining (and i can fuck her)
i think the lovebirds are cute
>>153910758>why didn’t goose answer the questionBecause the specific answer is not necessary to tell the story.>Those people had reasonsAnd Jax has one too, he’s traumatized and paranoid due to his home life, further exacerbated with what happened to ribbit.>He’s paranoid for no reasonTo you, but if he can’t face himself or be vulnerable, trust issues are themselves the motivation.>Why does goose care about reaching a wider audienceBecause they care about making a cool cartoon with a human story for many people more than they care about broadcasting a social issue (even their twitter is relatively social issue free). It worked it got giga popular and reached a lot of hearts and minds. Not everything needs to be about your personal cause. You can just make a good cartoon. Goose is more than their transness, and they decided to make a cartoon that combines their niche aesthetic taste and humor into a broad appeal show that sold well and took off while having an emotional core with a good theme that applies to all people without translation. Why does that have to be a problem? Why is it cowardly to choose a subtler approach? Does a dish really need a whole heaping mound of paprika or can’t it just have a sprinkle to bring out all the other flavors?So many people here are working from the axiom that goose fucked up and are back engineering how they fucked up, instead of considering the show is how it is on purpose and working from what the show tried to do.
>>153910808Kill both of them for OCposting nonbinary child.
What a peculiar thread
>>153910798Yeah same.... except i like, work here of course>>153910804>>153910790+ jax is supposed to be obnoxious, you really only understand why he is the way he is in the movie. After that its on you if you understand him enough to feel bad or if you just continue hating on him.
>>153910786h-how does one masturbate to caine? all i imagine is a scenario where caine goes down on you and accidentally CHOMPS your dick/clit off(its weird but my mind went there immediately)
>>153910824>OC, anime and manga, soda and roleplayingpretty good thread overall
>>153910817You can, but if its too fetishy i might not include it on the collage (sorry)>>153910824We are peculiar digital people!>>153910827It's not like you guys don't jerk off to weirder things lmfao
>>153910768>PICK A SIDE OR FACE THE WALLGoose just wanted to make a good cartoon, the joy of fiction is so much more than the fucking pervasive and ever present culture war. If you want that content that’s great go find it but Goose is not obligated to give it to you.
>>153910835yeah, i jerk off to some pretty gnarly shit
>>153910804No I'm not really interested in it from what I've heard and I'm not really savvy enough about twitter and drama enough to find whereever it leaked since all the archive uploads died, I'd ask for a summary of why it's reviled outside of being a self-insert biopic but I suspect it's kind of a dead horse in a general devoted to the show
>>153910666>>153910777>Got trips twice in a row
>>153910845You should just wait for it to release on youtube then Its very controversial for a multitude of reason but i personally liked it alot
>>153910848>skinless jax morphs into a dog.gif
>>153910820>Because the specific answer is not necessary to tell the story.Agreed on that, as we see with the finale, but it would benefit the story>And Jax has one too, he’s traumatized and paranoid due to his home life, further exacerbated with what happened to ribbit.I can understand this, I still feel like it's a stupid reason and even the silly "Jax ran over a kid!!!" old theory would be less stupid because he'd have actually killed someone due to his own fault (reckless driving) and not a total accident (towards his abuser not an innocent person)>Because they care about making a cool cartoon with a human story for many people more than they care about broadcasting a social issue (even their twitter is relatively social issue free). It worked it got giga popular and reached a lot of hearts and minds. Not everything needs to be about your personal cause. You can just make a good cartoon. Goose is more than their transness, and they decided to make a cartoon that combines their niche aesthetic taste and humor into a broad appeal show that sold well and took off while having an emotional core with a good theme that applies to all people without translation.I really feel like she wasted her one and only chance at reaching millions of people with something so vague and easily dismissed, imagine if Steven Universe just teased the gems being gay and never made it canon? it would be ridiculous and definitely not comfort as many children as it did like myself when i was a kid>Why is it cowardly to choose a subtler approach?Because of the subtext, her adding so much subtext and teasing and then not fucking doing anything with it is cowardly, it feels like she backed up from what she wanted Jax to originally be, I wouldn't be ranting if this whole shit wasn't constantly teased with herself saying "teehee he's my selfinsert" "teehee wait and see what happens" "teehee zooble has another agenda" "teehee look here's jax crossdressing 20 times!!!"
I still kinda hope TADC is such a blatant cash cow that, once she's well rested, Goose can admit the ending didn't work, rise from the ashes in righteous fury, and unleash The End Of The Digital Circus on the world
>>153910825Well, dunno how such a cute jester in ends up here, but I'd love to know where she'd go when she leaves...Hit me up when your shift ends!
>>153910804Well, good for you now. I at least don't lash out due to it so I think I'll just chug along as I am. The future should be better, or as the previously mentioned Kaiji qouting The Blue Hearts in this thread says, Mirai wa bokura no te no naka.
ugh you fucks....now I understand the appeal of this!
>>153910855You wanted it to wave the trans flag proudly, but Goose didn’t want to make it about that. You may see it as a missed opportunity, but Goose isn’t a coward for not choosing that for their show. I respect that decision and need no justification for it. Maybe you can come to see it as a valid artistic decision, maybe you can’t.I think that’s all I have to say on the topic.
if you lazy bastards dont make a new thread, im gonna make one with looli in the OP
you know come to think of it these past threads have been REALLY nice actually. This should be the calm before the storm in a few weeks when the movie drops.
>>153910875>You wanted it to wave the trans flag proudlyI wanted the bare minimum of 3 years of subtext to lead to something tangible and not "hehe it can be interpreted that way", as I said before, just Leroy having a girl name now would have been enough, Jax could die a repressing bitch never speaking a word about being transWhether what Goose chose was good, it doesn't erase that she put all that subtext for no real reason whatsoever
>>153910870Things will get better anon, you just gotta trust people more>>153910868S-sure i will!!!!!>>153910874appeal of what
>>153910881Go ahead, im not gonna make one this time, too tired
>>153910904
>>153910897Talking to (you).
>>153910892The subtext is there for interpretation fuel. Those who will feel validated or want to explore this topic in their interpretation have the ammo to do so. People can draw femjax and daisy jax to their hearts content.But done this way Jax the character is not locked into that reading. Jax can be appreciated as a man too and drawn that way and wrestled over from another angle.It operates the same way as a ship tease without confirmation. Was Ragatha wishing to be flirted with by Pomni specifically or just in general? Well, however you want to see it and explore it in your fan work, you can! The load bearing pieces are explicit, but there’s room to play in your personal take on the digital circus, and that’s what makes the fan conversation so fun in the first place.
>>153910920lmfao its funny, i get why people like doing so much too
>>153910932I get what you mean, It's not what I like about art but I can see why it has value to others and why Goose chose that over what I'd have chosen, even if I think it's selfish to choose fandom prosperity over more trans acceptance in the new generation due to artistic influence, either way, that's just that, thank you for elaborating on why Goose did what she did, I'm full
>>153910952Thank you for the level headed and substantive discussion :)
wow Jax is so me
>>153910958Thank you too and for giving me excuses to post so many Caines
>>153910959What did Jax think about fidget spinners?
>>153910970I don't think about fidget spinners
>>153910959Same, can't wait to kill myself so I can make the lives of everyone around me betterYou think suicide letters are still old-fashioned?
>>153911108just send them an email
>>153909760I have to focus on resolving some IRL issues.
>>153909803Bee the change you want to bee.
>>153909858Watch the 90ies sci-fi series Babylon5. It's my favorite show, and a masterclass in character writing because the story was planned out from the start. So much foreshadowing, some insane payoffs, and it all feels timeless and real. If I ever write my own story, it will be influenced by Bab5.
>>153911342Not a cartoon but it does look very interesting and I've been wanting something to scratch the startrek-like itch I have, so I will download the series and check it out my beloved Caine twin, thank you for the recommendation!
>>153911355Hell yeah. Season 1 feels calmer than the rest because the ovall plot subtly kicks in in the second half of it, so impatient people can get filtered by that. At the turn of S1/S2, you realize that you're strapped on a wild ride. One with moments of perfect beauty. I wouldn't know how to write fanfiction for Bab5 because it already delivers everything. If you liked it, also check out some behind the scenes stuff. The production was a bit cursed, a leading actor became increasingly schizophrenic and had to be written out of the show in a way that made things work even better by splitting his originally intended arcs into two characters. Season 5 is rough because it was only greenlit after being told the series wouldn't be renewed, so its best ideas had already been squeezed into S4.
>>153911530Very interesting, I'll hop to it tonight, I'm always to experience things that people genuinely love!
>>153911605I know that feel, Cainetwin.
