Was making 2003 Shredder into an alien a good idea?
>>153911185>Was making 2003 Shredder into an alien a good idea?fuck no
>>153911185I get what they were going for, taking krang and shredder and combining them into one characterit did not work.
I stopped watching the show after that. I was that mad, as a kid.
It was a good idea it was just executed is the worst way possible
>>153911185Never liked it as a kid,
I was fine with it, didn't bother me. 80s show is one thing, this was another.
>>153911185No. Shredder being a human beating ass is what made him so cool. Also cheapened Leo cutting his head off but I'm not surprised they found a way to pussy out of it.
>>153911185It was a well executed idea that does not sound well on paper It allowed for memorable hard hitting scenes like Shredded getting decapitated and standing up afterwards. Or the monstrosity he became in the bad future episode In the show that had focus on alien invasions it also kept him as a credible threat without making him rely on other alien like in the 80s cartoon A lot of it rode on him being just as cruel and threatening before and after the reveal
>>153911185They had to do something since ultimately they were defeating everything he threw at them
>>153911185I love TMNT 2003 overall but this was genuinely not a good idea and I'm still kind of baffled that they did it. Most of the things that show did were smart twists but this one was like the biggest exception to that and was a confusingly retarded one.
>>153911185Depends on how you approach it.If you expected it to be an accurate adaptation of the character because the show is, in a relative sense, the most faithful adaptation, then no. Admittedly it was probably not the intention for the show to be the most faithful adaptation, it just kinda turned out that way because the others were either written by people who largely just made stuff up and/or didn't have the ability to adapt that many issues. But it is still a little sad that the only adaptation that takes way, way, way more from the comics than any other still did stuff like this.On the other hand, if the idea is to make what's essentially just TMNT's Joe Chill into the main villain without making a glorified mob boss arbitrarily more important than logically greater evils, then yes it was a good idea. The specific alien he is can at his weakest start out as the glorified mob boss but can then take on greater and greater power as he is rebuilding his empire and technology. The twist and how it changed the stakes was actually handled really well and if I didn't have any knowledge that this character was human in previous iterations, I likely wouldn't be bothered by it at all.Like I said, a truly accurate adaptation of Shredder would only be slightly more active and important in the story than Joe Chill, this version of the character might be very different but literally attempt to make him more than the guy who kills Yoshi and is in turn killed by the Turtles on their first proper mission is inherently not faithful.
>>153911185No, it really pissed me off as a kid. It felt like everything Shredder was built up to be turned out to be a joke.
>>153911185I thought they were making Shredder out to be some crazy vengeful spirit that couldn't be killed when his head got cut off and he came back, the alien reveal was lame as fuck.
It was my first time seeing TMNT so I am not affected like others. His villainy was good enough that I pretty much considered what came before inferior.
>>153912244I think the concept would've been better received if Shredder was some sort of revenant or demon and not an alien. Laird's original suggestion when he was told about the Alien Shredder idea was that he'd outright posses the bodies of the Saki family, using them until they aged and died, but his 4chan contact suggested against it because they censors would hold them to not make any damage.
It's only failing of the show.
>>153911185Having three different Shredders in the same continuity felt cheaper.
I'll say this it's better than how Mirage brought him back where he was like a weird golem made of worms or some shit
>>153911185I was always ok with it.
>>153911185he cute
>>153912498The worm revival was eerie and fitting since he didn't last long in that form. His body was eventually eaten by a shark and became a bizarre amalgamation of different entities but by then it was clear he was not actually Saki anymore but a weird abomination not meant to be alive.
>>1539111852003 is a good show and probably the best TMNT series but the way 2003 fags will defend this decision to the utmost death like it was some artistic achievement over 20 years later is extremely grating.
>>153912618Not that i wont defend, he went mad enough to erase everything just to get rid of all turtles.And 87 gave him most of the ptsd.
>>153912618Yes I will defend it because him surviving getting decapitated will never not be cool.
>>153912894He didn't 'survive' anything it was a robot head that got cut off
The way they tried to backpeddle and salvage this decision by making him base his Shredder identity on a REAL Shredder, that was completely separate and who was a demon just made things even worse. So the alien Shredder was the lesser of two dumb decisions.
>>153912894That's like saying it's badass that a guy got his prosthetic arm ripped off.
>>153911367what was so bad about the way they did it?
>>153912894Irma's knocked off block knew more tricks.
>>153911185I prefer the 2012 method of Krang and shredder are two different enemies with two different goals that the episodes alternate between Krang episode and shredder episode.
>>153912981I actually liked that. It salvaged it for me.
>>153911185I didn't mind, I felt it made sense for the setting and story they were going for, but I can understand why it's badly received by fans. Also, I didn't like that splinter was Hamato Yoshi's pet rat instead of Yoshi himself.It had some weird decisions, but it felt to me it all fit in-continuity well enough.
I thought it was cool.Kinda weird cobbling together a suit during Edo Japan, but it's Ninja Turtles, I can roll with it.
>>153911185It was kinda stupid since he was legitimately a heinous villain lmaoCan you imagine if Hitler was secretly a little alien guy piloting a suit like in men in black lmao
>>153912894Would have been a lot cooler if it was something more like >>153912244 instead of it just being a fake robot head.
>>153911185Bad idiea, the show still good.
I didn't mind it, but it felt at odds with the rest of the early series which felt like an intentional effort to condense the Mirage comics experience into a cartoon.
Not really
>>153911185Weird or bad( depending on POV) idea that had excellent execution.
>>153916562Pretty much this. It acted as a perfect segway to get the turtles into space without killing momentum in the show. But it's still kinda stupid.
>>153911185What I hated about this twist is that the turtles saw Chrell without his robot suit and immediately started to underestimate him thinking he's weak and if anything started to LOSE more brutally. I honestly hated this twist it became a reason to show the Ninja Turtles lose even worse than usual. And here's the infuriating part these turtles none of them ever dominate Chrell. They always lose to him and Karai and the closest thing to "winning" is the turtles desperately trying to murder suicide both themselves and Chrell only to be interrupted by the Utrom Council who actually dealt with Chrell because the turtles were too weak and broken with broken arms and legs.These turtles are LAME. Adapting Mirage? A donkey's ass. This show is so overrated because of how incompetent the turtles are. And if you pay attention, these turtles never actually truly defeat the villains either someone beats the villains for them or the villains find their own reason to reform. The turtles never definitively conquer the villains.
>>153914752He was tho
>>153914415>Also, I didn't like that splinter was Hamato Yoshi's pet rat instead of Yoshi himself.That was the case in the origin comics and 1990 movie which were the biggest inspiration, so there’s precedence
>>153911185i remember being really fucking pissed at this. shredder was such a cool character. but no, turns out he was a scrotum with legs in a mechsuit all along. fucking retarded
>>153914415>Also, I didn't like that splinter was Hamato Yoshi's pet rat instead of Yoshi himself.I actually liked that change and felt it made more sense that way.The way the mutigen works is more consistent this way as well.
>>153911185I feel like the Shredder stuff and the Krang stuff are better if they start separate.They can like, meet, fight, and/or team up later, but ideally I feel like they should be completely separate corners of the universe at first.
>>153914308Gilbert krang was the best version of krang.
>>153911185I thought it was neat, it tied a lot of the lore togetherShredder was the reason the Utroms got stuck on Earth, he was the prisoner they were transportingThe Utroms were forced to blend into human civilization while trying to rebuild their ship and recapture Shredder and hired humans to be their protectors, like Hamato YoshiThe Utroms created TCRI and the ooze that inadvertently mutated the TurtlesHamato Yoshi died protecting the Utrom's secrets from ShredderIts a weird blend of a lot of different shitAs long as you ignore the Battle Nexus and the Ninja Tribunal and the demon Shredder all being related to Yoshi too
>>153911185yeah i'd say it's a pretty good idea
>>153911185No. Well, in execution it definitely didn’t work. I get the reasoning behind it but Shedder doesn’t work as an alien. I feel like he should’ve died when Leo beheaded him.
>>153912337>I think the concept would've been better received if Shredder was some sort of revenant or demon and not an alien.The did every version in the series from demon to female to trans. Something for everyone
>>153911185anti-kino
>>153915203The "accurate" Shredder involves killing him off early on and dealing with a more disjointed rogues gallery for most of the series. 2003 could be called a course correction in that it brought back more of the comic's lore and tone, but it was still its own thing in many ways - and still kept a lot of the popular points from the OG series.
