They all stop being Heroes and became celebrities with powers.
Because he gatekept plotholes and his cult followers still does his biddings after his departure. It has been a sabotage. I do not care if Bendis and Winderbaum sell Miles Morales to Mephisto in MCU by the way.
firstly you are waaaay over simplifying it by saying >They all stop being Heroes and became celebrities with powers.that's just not truethis board doesnt read comics and only hates comics based on whatever the latest casual clickbait sentiment is from youtube and twitter (yea that's right co gets its opinions from TWITTER)There were a lot of bad cynical decisions that happened at Marvel after Civil War but the first few years of Quesada (particularly with Jemas) are overhated on this boardThe "Marvel Knights'-ificiation of the wider MU was much needed breathe of fresh air. It didn't erase any previous stories, it just presented something other than "traditional" which had gotten very stale at Marvel. New X Men, X Statix, Casey on Uncanny, JMS on AMS (pre Sins Past), Waid on F4 AND Marvel Knights F4, PAD on Captain Marvel, post 9/11 MK Captain America, Bruce Jones Hulk, the launch of MAX, Exiles, Igor Kordey on Cable, Tangled Web, there was a lot of good stuff**I also think Bendis' DD holds up but this board is incapable of nuanced thought and can't acknowledge that he once wrote something enjoyableand it also straight up wasn't a reboot; they acknowledge past events, there's no action to resets the timeline; everything is continuing on as if those stories still happened and the characters remember them
>>153912402Because it wasn't.
>>153912503Thank you unpaid Marvel intern.
>>153912402Marvel was always celebrities with powers. The Avengers sign autographs.
>>153912526NTA but he's right, the only people who hate on the early 2000s pre-Avengers Disassembled era of Marvel are uncs who unironically think "THE FOCUSED TOTALITY OF MY TELEPATHIC POWER" is the best comics can get and their followers on Youtube who don't bother to read the comics just get their opinions from others. Quesada and Jemas literally pulled Marvel out of bankruptcy and made it a valuable enough brand that Disney paid $4 billion for it.
>>153912864So just a proto-MCU?Wowzers!
>>153912937>just a proto-MCU?quite literally the opposite, you retarded illiterate casual. I bet you don't even know how much image proves you wrong.the rot begins with>Avengers Disassembled --> which leads to House of M AND Civil War --> which leads to One More DayAt the point, the mainline universe is bogged down in cynical "Ultimates"ification event slop and its only a few years away from being bought by Disney, and the end. The Knauf run on Iron Man isn't bad but short lived and under the radar, Brubaker's Cap is a miracle. JMS' Thor is great and then wrecked by Bendis bullshit. Planet Hulk --> World War Hulk is like the last great "classic" Marvel event and then its immediately snuffed out by Loeb slop. The best Avengers book during that time is Jeff Parker on Marvel Adventures Once Civil War hits, the best Marvel stuff exists on the periphery: the Annihilation Saga, Agents of Atlas, Cap Britain & MI13, Alex Ross Invaders stuff, Pak on Hercules, PAD's X Factor, various MK and MAX minis, Charlie Huston on Moon Knight, Immortal Iron Fist, the Classics Illustrated adaptations, Stephen King adaptations, etc
>>153912864Disney bought it because they needed a boy brand with bankable movie rights and licensing. It wasn't only becuase of the comics. Not sure about "Celebrities with Power thing".
Stan Lee's characters were emotional wrecks who were always fighting one other. Quesada corrected the problem Harras let happen, letting everyone become too boring. Late 90s Marvel was incredibly boring.
>>153912402Why do pretend you know what a reboot is?
>>153915849This. Quesada and Jemas gave Marvel their balls back after years of running in circles with lame comics only die hard Wednesday warriors would care about. What's funny though is Marvel's right back to being the toothless, lame circlejerking it was before Quesada overhauled it
>>153912526You can literally see for yourself the dire straits of Marvel right before Quesada came in by going to the Spider-Man story time threads an anon's been posting.
>>153915937Yeah and we can also see how Quesada-era comics aged even worse than those
>>153912503spbp
>>153916229Explain
>>153912503>first few years of Quesada (particularly with Jemas) are overhated on this boardHA!...no
>>153915907Quesada marvel is so ballless characters can't even smoke. It's a cartoon.
>>153916930A relative of his died from lung cancer so it's an understandable reaction of him to decide no story of his would glorify smoking.
>>153917166And people die from stab wounds but they sure as fuck glorify the canadian murder midget.
>>153915907Most of the SJW editors and writer were quesada guys hired by him after he fired the 90s editora or writers leavingQuesada was there when Disney bough Marvel.Quesada and Jenkins made Logan a pathetic nigga obsessed with redhaired girls that barely can smoke. Even Morrison and Claremont laugh at that Jemas idea.I hate quesadatrannies so much
>>153917926Origin was pretty meh but at least it finally happened.
>>153912503>They killed Karen Page and an antichrist baby>Made Connor eat his son>Logan first love is a red hair Woman and is the reason he love Jean>They killed Happy and made Tony sign with the devil>Wasp and Wanda dialogue that made Wanda crazy >House of MIf anything is underhated because Bendis Daredevil or avengers were baby first comics
>>153918014I get people wanting that but I felt origin fucked Logan.His memories was a fun gimmick to get new chapters and stories.When was the last interesting run with Wolverine alone? Old man logan(which is another earth)?
>>153918134Jeph Loeb's Romulus was worse and dumber, didn't have Jemas there to nix the dumb fanboy crap.
>>153912845So does the Justice League. Flash has a fucking museum dedicated to him
>>153918014>but at least it finally happened.It SHOULDN'T have happened. It was never meant to happen. It completely demystified the character.
>>153918766Fox had plans to give him one and Jemas wanted it to happen in the comics first. Rogue's name is now Anna Marie because the movie decided her name would be Marie and Claremont threw a fit and decided to tack on an extra name to at least put his own small stamp on it.
>>153918860I never understood why her name was up in the air in the first place.
I don't know how anyone can sit with a straight face and say OMD wasn't a reboot. >>153916790Read any spider-man book in the last 20 years.
>>153919342Quesada hasn’t been editor in chief for the vast majority of those twenty years of spider-man comics
>>153919388He only left after doing irreparable damage
>>153918067nobody said there weren't dumb things but this is extreme cherry picking
>>153912503>there was a lot of good stuff*>most of the list is absolute garbage thoughJesus, anon. Have some Goddamn self-respect.>>153912864>>153915937>Things in the late 90s were bad in ways that were mostly fixable>The people Quesada brought in wrecked everything, but the talent having the permission to wreck everything is EXCITING AND BALL-HAVINGWe're living in the wasteland brought about because of retards like you, and the only argument you've got is "if you don't like this bad thing you must like other bad thing".
>>153920859>She-Hulk becomes the new whore of Babylon.>Spider-Man makes a deal with the Devil.>Beast becomes a genocider.
