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>>153913087I wonder how long this would have actually taken for the gang if the went through the coalition? Like a month and some change for the request to go through and likely either no action since ether Regent is in bed with Foodstuffs or a lengthy one month investigation to allow the ghoul to extract? Probably pointless by then
>>153913147>Regent is in bed with FoodstuffsWould mr Palmer really?
>>153913147Probably would’ve gone faster simply because the garou would probably make their move before that, contacting for hostage negotiations and whatnot. Depending on how far away help would be at the time, the lads might’ve ended up on their own anyway and have sold themselves for nothing.
>>153913147They'd probably ask for D to verify the information and then shut down anything he provided (shy of revealing Kevin at which point they would veto the whole thing outright). Without anything more than suspicions they would slowroll the investigation even without involvement from the Regent, probably just posting some guards at the chapterhouse and making things generally shittier for all of the members. They would either dally long enough for the ghoul to complete the mission ez pz or more likely for Matilda to catch on, go ballistic, and escape with the data with a long trail of bodies in her wake without a Big D to distract her.Either way the Coalition would be left reeling and wouldn't be able to follow up on it without the hidden Fatigue documents to hand, so either the ghoul or Matilda successfully steals the data with no way for the Coalition to get it back.
>>153913283Wasn't the hunter data destroyed?Remold shot right through it with his cane-gun during werewolf fight, didn't he?
>>153913380Oh I thought you meant if D and co. contacted the Coalition instead of going to the Chapter House.I think the Coalition wouldn't be able to get there in time before the situation went FUBAR anyways, and escape through the Umbra is about as much of a cold case as you can get. They'd section off the chapter house and D and co. wouldn't discover Fatigue's hidden texts, and it'd be a cold trail. They'd just have to hope the wolves eventually contact them for hostage negotiations or something of the sort.
>>153913380Not necessarily. When Grimal planted the disk in the pack of smokes with some behind the back slight of hand it could easily have been a blank she swiped from the security room. After Matilda escaped Grimal takes the real disk and gives it to her ghoul handler.
>>153913224Parker's psychotic cousin would a vampire yes.>>153913228>>153913283I do figure it would have just gone like this, D does have a point about the bureaucracy
Absolute fuckin’ banger.https://youtu.be/P1VypUBTi3o?si=rlP8D-fCiZZsKhiM
>>153913465holy COPIUMGrimal is way too obvious to be the ghoul.Even if it was orginally planned, so many fans have worked it out that the cowards are going to walk their plot back to keep the appearence of master plotters
>>153913554I cannot wait to hear the music for the Coalition v Wolf battle.>>153913465Nah Kitten is going to visit Grimal in the hospital and she's going to have all of her ribs broken and in terrible shape and there is going to be a lot of emotionally charged moments between them - Grimal having had a near-death experience, and Kitten about to waltz into a suicide mission. The real ghoul is Waters, and she has already escaped to her allies in the Coalition and is well beyond reproach. Probably groveling to her master over her failure to get the data.
>>153913810>He unironicly thinks we will be getting hetslop like thatThis is manly gay series, all female attention is inherently evil and unwanted
>>153913810Coke wouldn't do nothing to her with vamp blood. Cop did heroin, it barely felt like anything.
>>153914441The cocaine could just be a coverup for her vitae addiction. No one's going to lift an eye if someone who injects crack on the regular shows some withdrawal symptoms from time to time.
>>153914494She basically had zero withdrawal anyways Anon. She's not the ghoul. She also had delirium eyes.
>>153914223I mean this in the most genuinely neutral way possible: was there this much complaining about the gay shit in TTS? I mean, at least HtP has recurring female characters, you know?
>Gnomes>Lyktgubbar>Bruunboys>Kloakgubbar>Kräkgubbar>WILLYS-GUBBAR!
>>153914562There wasn’t this much gay shit in TTS, at most you got the pillarstodes or Lucius showing up but even then they didn’t do a lot of overt gay shit save being oiled up nearly naked super humans and that’s just part of the JoJo reference. The shit like one of them wanting Magnus was always played up as a joke.
>>153914562They propably didn't mean it, but I am enjoying it. You see, I frequently imagine myself hitting back at the ugly and sharp ladies while rest of crew bends their spines out of fear of girl cooties.Especially this bitch. It's either me or Palmer and latter is propably making her worse just for fun
>>153914670Made for brutal, hole-wrecking rape in a yellow elevator.
>>153914724>in a yellow elevatorHehehehehe
>>153913087I like Bruva, but his best work was TTS. I tried very hard to watch his new shit and it is good, but I can't. I also miss Kitten
Anyone ever made OCs following this series, or got inspired by it to play the real thing? I know that we have the burger hobo wolf girl.In my case the series got me motivated to join a group online, and our VTM 20th chronicle has been going on for months now.
>>153914562There was gay shit in TTS, 40k fans just chose to ignore it because in their eyes warhammer 40k is an awesome manly heterosexual setting and not the bdsm gay freak setting it really is. If the crew ever got to Space Marine by Ian Watson people would be able to see how truly homosexual it is.
>>153914847>because in their eyes warhammer 40k is an awesome manly heterosexual settingBecause it is?Why would you ever think otherwise
>>153914847>Ian WatsonGENESTEALER PUSSYGussy
>>153914949
>>15391484740k was way more tolerable than this. We only had the custodes making gay jokes all the time, Eisidodes pining for Magus who was completly clueless and Magnus and Kitten just acting like an old married couple. Magnus was more than likely asexual in 40k. >>153914847
>>153914562Tts came out quicker and with way less blatant stuff.
>>153913224Absolutely. Especially if his bosses (Mike) tell him to.
>>153914949NOOOOOO!
You have to admit there's some weird stuff how cast is all-male and all female characters are either useless, evil or ugly>Grimaline is literal cuck who is coping by glazing the relationship that stole her love>Elise is fat and lethargic>Doctor waters is old short, and propably a ghoul>Matilda was a werewolf>Amanda is a nearly-useless normie>Blair is a violent screaming psycho druggie >Avery is a goverment bureocrat>All of Kevin's higher-ups in Camarilla are implied to be female, and are all abusive and delulu according to his description>So far Bénédicté is the only exception, and would' you have it, she looks almost like a man>None of main crew's mothers (or even Door's wife) are as much as described by anyoneCombined with how Brocklaws and their family is portrayed, it's easy to see what subconscious motivation lies behind this series.The makers are bunch of homos who are in denial about the fact that they are aging, and are using this creative pursuit to validate their life choices.
>153888882forgetti to link previous thread?
>>153915540Anon, I think you're just obsessed with looking for gay shit. Togo be upon ye.
>>153914562Please don't pretend this is even close to the same stuff, gay marriage has literally become a main plot point in this show, and for the past several videos all we've heard of kitten is him screaming about his gay husband.
>>153915540>You have to admit there's some weird stuff how cast is all-maleYeah... because it's the cast from TTS, recycled, while Warhammer 40k itself put most of it's attention on 20 male primarchs plus their male father plus their male advisor plus their all male legions.HtP meanwhile elevates the recycled Shadowsun character from a one time joke for a 1 minute long spin off video into the next most major character after the family, and introduces a good bunch of others that are OC (so far, that we can tell, don't @ me if it turns out Elise is recycled Erebus or some shit).
>>153915540>useless, evil, and ugly>Matilda is neither evil, ugly, or useless>Amanda handled herself pretty well considering she was a complete normie and got her brain fried>Vampires are abusive and deluluTo be fair to the writing team, it is a bunch of men writing and it's difficult to expect men to be comfortable and skillful at writing women in more complex ways. I think it's a good progression that the latest arc's antagonist is (currently) a woman
When will Kevin finally use blood magicks as he has referred to before?
>>153916021Never. He's a Dominate chad
>>153916021Kevin's discipline spread must be someshit like>Dominate 5>Auspex 2>Thaumaturgy (Blood) 1In fact, I'd even say the fact he didn't instantly try to drain D dry when he captured him using Blood Magic and his low status in the pyramid imply that he's either extremely incompatible with blood magic or he got one of those rare defects that give them Vicissitude or the Salubri discipline instead. Basically a fraud of a Tremere. Probably to differentiate it from when the group fights a real Tremere who's making blood spears and shit
>>153915540This is unfair to elise. Shes fat because someone finds that hot. She has character flaws yes. But sure she could be considered useless. The only major action she does is cover grimal’s ass if memory serves. Which is admirable enough since she doesnt seem to be the ghoul. But ya
>>153916021The guy had only a shot period of favor within his clan before being cucked out of any magical teachings because he dared tell his elders about taxes.He wouldn't have had time to learn much of any Thaumaturgy before joining the Sabbat, and after that there's no way he learned anything.Kevin is all-in on Dominate.
>>153915793They do have that filipino girl on the team. She wrote the philipines adventure audiolog which had that strong female character.
>>153913810Waters is a senior member, she had easy access to the data and could get it out at anytime before the night. She'd would have to have been furned to join just a few months before the incident for the time table to match the need. At most she piece mealed the data and the hpwhole operation was already compled once the ghoul was revealed.The only other plot point I can think of is the classic "the ghoul isn't here right now". Ultimately one of the remaining memeber was the ghoul but they were out of the chapter house for the night.
>>153915540It's more than likely just the crews taste.I mean the head writer is SpeakerD, and he's ya'knowThey care more about the guys so the chicks take a back seat.
>>153916137That or the tremere just fucked with him and told him the disciplines are blood majiks
>>153916465Unlike other anons I didn't mind it, I just thought that Wayda came across as manipulative. I'll reserve judgement for all of Arc 2 until the ending. Also>Strong female characterI don't really agree, personally. Despite the framing, where I can understand your pov coming from, I don't really agree with Wayda being one of those unlike say Matilda
>>153916526So wait, SpeakerD is>One of us Warhammer autists>One of us Magefags>Actually gayI know Alfabusa is straight I think, but anyway. Iirc it's more or less well known that a good amount of Ogre's staff was gay ain't it?>>153916543This would be funny, and somewhat accurate hazing
>>153915540Some of the best fiction ever written has had 0 female characters. If anything, this show could use more men and less women.
>>153914585Is the face stretching he does some sort of curse?
>>153916770He’s Swedish, they can just do that.
>>153916770It's a regular Swedish human smile, very friendly.
>>153916625Odoroshi is seemingly a she/they (kinda just have to deal) and a lesbian if the characters she plays is anything to go off ofSpeakerD might be Bi but that doesn't matter much in the end and with the crew he goes with.Alfa has a wife and kid. There also might be one more member that married (not counting Anchor, i mean one of the artists /writers) that has a wife but she's not included in the works
>>153916584I respect that episode myself its well executed ultimately. Theres no easy reason to disregard its anti-colonial message (which I cant say for many other short stories ive read)
>>153916584I just hate the general sins of the father theme in it and other media since it never works without the person falling for it being either grievously stupid or in a state of hyper emotional distress (which Fatigue was). Like the kid showed he was not cool with what was going on and stood against it, you don’t need to fucking brow beat him like that. Also she was boring, all the other characters were much more interesting and had life to them. She was the utterly sterile and rational character to highlight how she was talking about a serious issue which any modicum of personality would have compromised. Fuck I was more endeared to the faceless goon who dies off screen than her.
>>153917041Same. If the emphasis was on clearing the family name, that'd be one thing, but it's clearly portrayed as his own so-called guilt.
>>153917041>girlie gaslight gatekeeps girlbosses a rich kid into being a useful asset for the NailsYeah its shitty but it is in line with WoD. Thats the thing with this series, it cant really stop itself from realizing and stating "THIS IS GOOD FOR WOD STANDARDS, PLEASE DONT BE LIKE THIS" and treats it as default good. If we had more true shit like it being made lampshaded pure good might never be as real as expected, then it would be a lot better but most of the show seems written in a very default John Smith way.
>>153916891I agree. I'm not a huge fan of the themes but at least I think denying the sins of colonialism isn't something the West should do overall. Even if sometimes it comes across as kind of insincere or you're a supporter of colonialism like I am, there's no doubt that there was a lot of unnecessary cruelty in that era. Not my fault or problem though, desu.>>153917041Totally valid perspective, yes. Which is why I said she comes across as a bit manipulative when she's guilt tripping him for something he's not related to explicitly and after a couple of moments that could be best described as>getting the piss scared out of you by existential dreadSins of the Father in general I feel isn't really a great theme without some sort of involvement by the child in question, which Fatigue wasn't necessarily involved in rather coerced into. Granted, I think in the literary terms the reason it's so controversial is because western society is currently in a slump over that theme culturally and it comes across as politically charged rather than thematic when it's used. And don't worry, I also liked the Leopold goon more.
>>153917041>you don’t need to fucking brow beat him like that.I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'm 99% sure that we the viewer AREN'T supposed to support Wayda here. We can be sympathetic about what she went through, and we can share in her condemnation of what Kronik did, but her guilt-tripping and browbeating of Wernon was supposed to be unfair - she saw an opportunity to gain another warm body for the Nails, and to spite the father by punishing the son. She is a generally good person who did a shitty thing, and that's pretty common for WoD characters.
>>153917200>Yeah its shitty but it is in line with WoDShe really wasn’t, she was far too reasonable. WoD by its very nature is absurd, it can be dark and fucked up but at the same time the absurdity of it all is what adds to it. Even the most serious figures are hyperbolized to some extent. Take Nines from VtMB. On the surface he is this cool and charismatic figure who acts as a sort of leading voice. But when you actually get into who the Anarchs are with him he tries to shut you down and gets angry. Mind you the questions you ask are effectively just asking about the nature of the faction and how it operates but he still gets upset. People not matter what the level are flawed. Wayda wasn’t, sure you can say she was manipulative but that aspect of her is never called out and Fatigue ends up looking upon her in a positive light. He is not considered to be a youth who was manipulated into serving some hunter org. And that’s the issue with it. This is in contrast to Benedicte who gets absolutely shat on by the D clan for who she is what she represents, but at the very least she is able to actually stand up to it and give her own justification. Whereas Wayda is never challenged or called out.
>>153916137Pretty sure he has 0 dots of Thaumaturgy, which is why he was left scrounging the 99p store for any arcane knowledge once he lost the favour of his sire and the regent. Either he copes by saying Dominate is blood magic, or he has been misinformed.
>>153917207>the reason it's so controversial is because western society is currently in a slump over that theme culturally and it comes across as politically charged rather than thematic when it's usedBecause it is mostly just this? It’s not a matter of some guy doing the same bad stuff his father and ancestors did it’s just “you are part of group that did x at some point you should feel bad” whether it be direct blood relatives or just a general cultural/ethnic group. And in the end it always starts a debate which almost always boils down to “everyone has done awful shit no one is innocent might makes right vae victis RAAAAAAH”.
>>153915638man nigga can you stop complaining about it already
>>153917498then don't ask
>>153917454I'd like to think HtP is too much of a comedic/drama serious to be about being overtly political in its messaging, considering that most of the series has been a relatively great adaptation of H5 and WoD in general, so the point of Sins of the Father is more about the biblical and cultural themes of legacy rather than about White Man bad, 'mkay? Granted, I do agree that most of the time sins of the father is used politically
I do not care for Kitten
>>153917575Is it his outfit?
>>153917575>spoilerBut how? He's basically the moral/normie heart of the gang and usually the more reasonable and level headed one keeping the family safe. Without him I'd assume that Occam would probably be less than pleasant with the family or that they'd probably get wiped by Pyotr. I do think he's pretty boring though, but he's more of an audience stand-in like the previous Kitten
>>153917575He is a lot weaker of a character in this than the Warhammer stuff, that's for sure.
>>153917598>>153917599>>153917600>3 consecutive postsPillarstodes like Kitten more in WoD, I guess.
>Show about hunters>Had literally one singular hunt in the whole series so farCan we have less talks about gay mariages/divorces and more monster hunting please
>>153914807Knew a guy who made a woof member of the arcanum who simped for elise
>>153917569>I'd like to think HtP is too much of a comedic/drama serious to be about being overtly political in its messagingAnd that’s what makes her character feel so out of place. She is effectively an accountant in a room of jesters and other radically flamboyant or at the very least abnormal figures. And he way of handling things is with the same Monday morning dread as would face going into file an extensive report. Where you have characters that bounce off of each other and feed into or oppose organically she stands out. It’s like being the dude in the improv troupe that says “no we are not at a bank this is a comedy club” and that in turn feels as if it was done to try and give reverence to what she was saying and everything which she was supposed to represent. I mean I am not asking her to be like D and go on random Tirades but maybe show her being more like Occam, Kitten, or Benedicte who while showing themselves to be more reasonable still have deep flaws and issues. >relatively great adaptation of H5 Part of it stems from this, fifth edition has way to much sterilized shit, I don’t need Mickey Rooney in weekend at Tiffanie’s but god forbid give them some personality, the Nails Kronik fucked up had some.
>>153917636If you want to be technical it would be 6 maybe?>The old lady>Sabbat gang>The dogs>The ghoul>Worm Fomori>Now the woofs7 if you count the blender
>>153917598>>153917599>>153917600Unironically, it's because he insists upon himself.I mean what does he really have going for him besides being bait for the fujoshis? He asks questions, and he screams about how evil somebody is or whatever. As of lately, all he's done is go>WEHHHHHH MAH HUSBAND WEHHHHHHHHHHHH MAH HUSBANDLike he isn't also family to all the others. It was already tired by the fatigue audiologue, and now it's just annoying. Yes. I get it. Marckus was kidnapped. We have heard had. We have heard that a lot. You do not need to scream about it every five fucking seconds.Compare him to the Captain General, who aside from being..you know, a lot COOLER and less of a whiny bitch, was also the designated lore dispenser, which was always fun to hear.Marckus is a giant homo too, but at least he's FUN to watch. He's got fun interactions with everyone else. Kitten is just...a little bitch.
>>153917636>>Show about huntersLmao, we're gonna have evey member of the senpai be from every splat EXCEPT hunter.
>>153917703I gotta second this. He's too basic
>>153917703Different settings and different roles. Captain General is millennia year old super soldier who is aware if all the wacky warhammer 40k lore and such to be the lore dispenser. Here he is the proverbial noob a with Big D being the lore dispenser. Most Hunters also tend to be viewed as weirdoes compared to the WH40k ranks involved.
>>153917703>Compare him to the Captain GeneralKitten is just a baby. Give him 10,000 years and he will evolve into the captain general
>>153917749>Here he is the proverbial noobMarckus is a Noob. Boy is an even bigger Noob. And yet they are both infinitely more interesting to watch than Kitten.Like, seriously, tell me, what does he have going for him that's interesting? All he does is prompt D for lore, moralize about how evil the enemy of the episode is, and cry about marckus.
I love Amanda with every piece of my body.
>>153917711>D potential mummy>Kitten potentially one of those kinfolk>Markus potential incoming magr>Boy potential OracleWhat's Door?
>>153917795Autistic
>>153917795Human who probably banged something supernatural.
>>153917795Dead.
>>153917795Door is the kill everything supernatural hunter of the family
>>153917780Yes thats his role. He is the surrogate for the audience to ask questions about the setting and D is more willing to enlighten him compared to Marckus and Boy.You can also argue him being the "voice of reason" in some scenarios but that is currently on hold since he is emotional about Marckus
>>153917780It's not fair to compare him to Boy, though. Door and Boy are the best characters.
>>153917795The actual Hunter rep who may become a Wraith later or Kindred
>>153917839You haven't really answered my question. What does he have that makes him interesting to watch? This isn't a game that needs a bland PC you can self insert yourself as.>>153917843Who can I compare him to, then? Marckus? D? Hell, even Kevin? Everyone is better than him.
>>153917858Or a promethean
>>153917636I just want to know how the fuck does this bitch do any hunting?
>>153917874togo
>>153917795American
>>153917905She doesn't, that's what field agents are for, she's clearly a desk jockey
>>153917898Wrong WoD.
>>153913147She said 2-3 weeks to just come up with a cost assessment. We dont know if it would have taken more time to deploy and start the operation.I do like how the Coalition is supposedly a huge network of governments and groups but dont seem able to actually fight the undead anymore or muster to nickels to rub together when they actually need to take action against something supernatural. It does make it seem like a beauracracy trap to swallow any would be hunters and make them a negative force.
>>153917569>relatively great adaptation of H5 and WoD *WoD5
>>153913283>They'd probably ask for D to verify the informationGiven the absurd bullshit he spouts every sentence that could take years and many lives. I mean, he operates on a math system he himself invented.
>>153917905She doesn't. She has poors to do that for her.
>>153916770It makes me wonder how many of the Coalition members at the table had banes or if these were bane free because of the magic wards against vampires on the arcanum might work on banes. You cant tell me burger lady and the London arcane lady didnt have worms somewhere in their heads, though.
>>153917795>Kitten potentially one of those kinfolkShouldn't he be stronger than normal, then? I thought kinfolk got some bonus to body.
I am so glad Swedish "People" aren't real.
How is the church in WoD?Taking what D said at face value this Saint Leopold wing is pretty powerful, having amassed all sort of relics and more importantly, knowledge. But the church itself is also infested with bible thumping mages and vampires so how effective are they really?
>>153917921They've used chronicles lore before. the show is a leftover stew of Classic WoD, V5 and CofD
>>153918258Not only are swedes real there are swedes in this very thread, right NOW
>>153918272The really were the good guys in the medieval time period and there was also a lot less vampire clans. It was mostly a straight fight of humanity versus undead. That all gets muddled in modern day while vampires and the werewolves almost become self regulatory in their infighting.
belgium rules
>>153917041The way I see it, it was more that she helped plant the seeds that made Fatigue a better person and hunter
>>153918361She goes all in on oktoberfest.
>>153918361Now theres a woman i can get behind
>>153918322AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!
>>153918361Take her to O'tolley's and make her eat their slop out of their nuclear family sized trough (tm), limited while supplies last
>>153917041That was my issue as well. Everyone is fucking weird degenerate or radical likely because of [author bias, setting bias, or that these people deal with issues on the fringes of society and the perversion of normal society and how it affects them but this lady for some reason is a perfect marble statue drapped in satin. Without sin or unflinching reason.
>>153918253Well he did tank having Markus punted at him into a bus
>>153918530Don't forget having a car thrown at him mere minutes prior
>>153917703>He asks questions, and he screams about how evil somebody is or whatever.I think my main issue is that he's applying our world logic to his World of Darkness. That can make him relatable to the audience, sure, but only to a point - he has seen enough of the supernatural to at least begin to question the things he thought he knew. Like his criticism of the Inquisition - he approaches it like someone in our world would, despite knowing that it was extremely likely they DID actually kill some evil creatures as well, that it wasn't just wanton slaughter of the innocent. He claims to be open-minded but he really only acts that way when it's about stuff that can benefit him - he violently opposes any viewpoint he doesn't immediately like, to the point of outright refusing to hear their side.
>>153918550Yeah but he somewhat dodged that compared to Markus getting smashed into him and Markus is a fucking giant
>>153918571This, in our world if you hear someone was burnt at the stake or killed for being a witch or a vampire then you would be think that’s fucked up. But in this we know that vampires, witches, and werewolves exist. D basically confirmed it to him in the Norfolk folklore audiolog. It’s not to say they didn’t kill innocent people as well but hearing that witches actually exist and do the shit that people are mad at them for doing makes the idea of witch hunts seem much less fucked up.
>>153917041I dont know why you guys think she was "browbeating" him when she told him exactly why Fatigue was brought to the Philippines and what his father had in store for him. I know it's upsetting to hear that you could possibly be apart of something harmful without you knowing or intending, but Fatigue was. As much as he wanted to help, he was ultimately misled and partook in a process that harmed the natives of the Philippines. The broader forces at play were at fault, and because of the culture at the time, Fatigue was unable to see what kind of harm he was doing. She doesn't treat him as tainted, she tells him that the process of fixing his mistakes will be hard, but he can do it.
>>153918571>despite knowing that it was extremely likely they DID actually kill some evil creatures as wellNta, he’s had a very stressful past few days and just lost his butt buddy, and this is right after he was just barely saved from selling his soul to multiple people. She was right to be patient with him, he hadnt the chance to think straight. So of course he’s going to be a bit unreasonable.
>>153918640>fixing his mistakesWhat mistakes? He actively turned against his father when he learned of the stolen moon stuff. Britain didn't even own the Philipines.
>>153918682I mean, he did get tricked into drinking piss and we aren't sure what he did while off his tits on acid. Might've shit on someone's grandmother's chest or something
>>153918361Would.
>>153918682>What mistakes? He actively turned against his father when he learned of the stolen moon stuff.He came to help the locals find their abducted children, only to findout his dad was the one doing it. So he did what he came to do: hunt the monster taking kids
>>153918720Okay, so what were his mistakes? What was the great mistake he had to fix that she talked about? Literally the only thing she could be talking about is his father's sins.I feel like this would make sense if, I don't fucking know, Fatigue became a stolen moon solely so he could murder his entire clan or something, but that's not what happened.
>>153913087Someone help me make this good for TV tropeshttps://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WMG/HunterTheParenting(What are the chances Grimaline at some point is going to compare the Coalition meeting to the Coalition against Dong Zhuo?I would like her to reference something outside of just Japan in Asia . I mean she did make a Nobunaga historical reference and the two. have been compared a lot especially by Japanese companies.)
>>153918640Because he openly stood against it and was effectively in a moment of pure disillusion and sorrow over everything he thought he knew being a lie and watching his whole family die before his eyes. She is acting like he was somehow some knowing vector and taking advantage of his weakness in that moment to try and guilt him as if he doesn’t already know all this shit. >Fatigue was unable to see what kind of harm he was doingExcept he didn’t DO anything, he didn’t take part in the kidnapping or any of the skin dancer shit. He was just there, he didn’t have any say or knowledge. This was going to be his initiation and he actively rejected it. >process of fixing his mistakes will be hardThey’re not HIS mistakes, he didn’t kidnap anyone, he didn’t do any dark bullshit, he didn’t participate in any of it. That is why it’s stupid, you are trying to place blame on someone for the actions of another because they happen to be related to them? He didn’t need to atone for anything or make anything right because he had done no wrong. And that is the problem with this and the idea of sins of the father as a whole. He was not responsible for it. He in no way could have prevented what his ancestors did, what his father did, but he could choose to not be like them or continue it. And that in of itself shows his character, there is no generational shadow or other bullshit.
Legitimate question does modern day written recognize gay marriage? I know this show takes place sometimes in the 2000s before the 2010s.
>>153918758They say this in the episode. Its recognized in belgium (i forget if thats where they actually got married) by 2003. So its legally binding by belgian government standards.
>>153918758What are you trying to say? Modern day what? Written Law?
Who bottoms in Occam and Big D's relationship?
>>153918790 I figured they mentioned it was in Belgium because it wasn't legal at that point in Britain what I'm asking is it illegal now in Britain to recognize a gay marriage and saying that I just remembered I saw gay marriage on Mrs Brown and the preacher said he recognized it despite what his church said.
>>153918194I think this guy might be under control. He seems oddly apathetic, and Aa~uu guy does most heavy lifting when exposing contract contents.He's also portrayed directly changing expression the exact moment when Blair receives a memo to cut off from negotations and leaves as fast as he can. Even when Brocklaws had agreed to pay up front for D's gangs union fees.and smoking TWO cigs
>>153918811Occam.
>Help, i offered nothing and im already out of options!When this series started i thought D was going to be this super-skilled Van Helsing dude who's batshit crazy to compensateBut turns out he's all bark and no bite
>>153918832Sir are you implying D isnt batshit crazy?
>>153918832It's kinda funny how much of a fraud he is
>>153918832I’d say because D is used to dealing with the supernatural more than dealing with other huntersHe was able to convince Kevin because he understood his blight and what if material shows he could have done it to the other sabbat members
>>153918811There is no way D is a bottom, it'd require him to stand down and stay still willingly and I just cannot imagine that.
>>153918832He's just sandbagging so his sons don't grow to rely on him too much.jsut wait until he gets to fight with werewolves
>>153918818Gay marriage is recognized today across the western world and in parts of latin america plus a few other countries. I think some US states might have unrecognized it recentlyThis sounds like a question for google
>>153918889>I think some US states might have unrecognized it recentlyGay marriage has been legal at the federal level since like 2015.
>>153918875He could bottom but he’d still dom. You see in gay sex a sub can still be the person guiding the other guy. This is like gay sex 101 its almost like you arent a homo or smthn
>>153918832They are going a little overboard in nerfing Big D, that's for sure. I was willing to chalk the Pyotr incident to him being genuinely unprepared for a fully fed diablerized vamp, because that makes sense (the world of the hunter is all about pre-game prepwork). Same with Matilda, he wasn't ready to deal with a goddamn Garou, and even then he managed to hold his own pretty well. But this audiolog more or less lobotomized him, having him shout nonsense and get irrationally angry for what feels like little to no reason. This was not the man who managed to (mostly) outfox a policeman ghoul and get away scot-free, nor the man who had enough wherewithal to keep a calm head whilst being surrounded by people succuming to Wyrm despair. I know he's stressed because of Marckus, and I sympathize, but he's been in enough emergent situations to understand the need for a clear head.
>>153918832I'd say he is on the supernatural front. Him engaging a Cirnos in CQC and not bring torn to shreds is testament to that along with being alive in general with how much he knows. By WoD standards he is an EXTREME anomaly since most factions barely know shit about each other while D's got dirt on multiple. He sucks at normie stuff
>>153918885He held his own against crinos Matilda in melee for a while and sliced her arm off in glabro. If nothing else, that’s an impressive showing.
>>153918946You're not factoring in the experience though. D clearly has had to fool cops before, D has clearly had to manipulate ghouls and other vampire servants and spies to avoid detection, during the Chapman audiolog you can constantly see him thinking of usual tactics he follows or stuff he has instructed his family on how to do. D has never had to deal with the Coalition because he fucking detests it and has avoided it for as long as he's been able to. And he certainly has never (or at least not often enough) had to find himself in a situation where he has to deal with having bureaucrats as allies. And considering everything we've seen and heard of the Coalition, he was right, now he's just desperate enough to compromise and even then he doesn't want to actually get involved with them for reasons that just got proven to us all.
>>153917905>I just want to know how the fuck does this bitch do any hunting?Step 1: PENTEX hit squadStep 2: PENTEX hit squadStep 3: PENTEX first squadStep 4: A discreet dinner date with that dashing mr. Palmer in a restaurant that's slightly too upscale for her pay grade
>>153919037Also, if he's a mummy, he's limited by their crippling autism.
>>153919067>>153919087>>153919112
>lying back in bed with Blair cradled in Anon’s arms, naked but for her gas mask>one hand massaging a breast, the other stroking her hair>”What are you?”>Blair fidgets uncomfortably>”I… I’m…”>you pinch her nipple and lean in close>”Say it.”>”I’m… I’m the burger lady…
>>153919116>Garou have autism>mummies have autism>mages have autism>fae have autism>non-psychopath hunters have autismIs there a single type of monster in WoD that doesn't have debilitating autism? So far vamps seem like the most normal of the lot.
>>153919163>So far vamps seem like the most normal of the lot.
>>153919163No, vampires are also autistic.
>>153919135>>153919112
>>153919163I think leviathans technically don't have autism
>>153919180 _____/STOP\\_____/__|||___
>>153919116Wait, is that the reason he hates surnames?Because as a mummy he predates the concept and it confuses him?
>>153919225Hey how’s it going man?
>>153919163Let me tell you a secret; humans in WoD also have autism
>>153919201
>>153919227It's an old superstition that names have power, he might figure more names = bigger target. Some mummies also have power over True Names, but that's not really relevant here.
>>153918194I wasn't leaning towards it being a bane; more like that Gnome he saw gave him a wacky curse that made him stretch/deform under certain circumstances (because that sounds like something a fae would do) and he's maybe learned how to control it. Don't know enough about WoD Gnomes to know if that likely or even possible, though.Though now that you bring that idea up, surely they, or at least the Inquisition, would have a method of detecting a nearby bane, right?
>>153917041That pissed me off something fierce. It should've been Wydia tries to send him home but Wernon himself insists on staying because he wants to help them
>>153917636To be fair, it's been less than a week and your average WoD mortal needs like a month or more of downtime to recover from getting dabbed on by superior forces.>>153917703I somehow knew you would say that.>>153918571To be fair, Kitten is the normiest of the gang and probably has a very disconnected idea of what a Mage or Wizard is and is capable of. Remember, he thought that the vampires were relatively redeemable even as Pyotr was trippling down. He probably has no earthly clue as to the in-built superiority and capacity for sadism many Mages exhibit
>>153918811>>153918823>>153918875>>153918932Big D would be a powerbottom yes, I can picture it. Occam is too subdued
>>153918946>>153919037Also remember his outright panic when Anton got taken by the fae, I think D is just a bit more emotionally vulnerable when it comes to his family than otherwise. He's still a fraud, but maybe he'll enter fraudwatch instead within the next episodes
>>153919556>your average WoD mortal needs like a month or more of downtime to recover from getting dabbed on by superior forces.Marckus meanwhile gets severly beat up every other day lawl
>>153919163Weaponized autism is the only way to survive and thrive in a world of darkness where your pattern seeking brain is put to the test anon
>>153919607There's a reason he's crippled
>>153919658That was BEFORE he got manhandled by the woofmaid
>>153919679He got manhandled by her a lot less than Pyotr. Matilda was positively gentle, which makes sense as she likes them tall
>>153919710>Matilda was positively gentle, which makes sense as she likes them tallWasn't it implied somewhere that she might have had a bit of a thing for Harry? I swear I remember something like this...
>>153918744 Told what I wanted to an AI and it gave me the following I don't think it quite fits. mainly because it didn't understand Grimaline Entirely or what happened at the coalition meeting episode.
>>153919758One of the artists posted a cute sketch of Matilda meeting Harry but I think it was just attraction and nothing actually serious about it
>>153919817Well yeah, she can't really bang humans, she has to get impregnated by a kinfolk to make more warriors for gaia.
>>153919817Don't howl don't howl don't howl don't howl
>>153919866>Can't bang humans.Anon... I almost don't have the heart to tell you that W5 came out 3 years ago and that kinfolk don't exist anymore
>>153913761>Grimal is way too obvious to be the ghoul.I still subscribe to the idea that her and Elise are red herrings and it’s actually Harry.
>>153918743>Okay, so what were his mistakes?Ignoring local lore and applying their own. He didn't know, hence why it's a 'mistake' and not a 'crime'. He went in with the wring knowledge, wrong mindset, and he paid for it. His tenure, his repayment, was his means of learning how to not repeat those mistakes.
>>153918753Hell, he had audio records that he wasnt approving of his family's methods or attitude of the Phillipines culture even if he didnt know the full extent. He was being punished because he was white and with the Leopolds. His only crime they could punish him was feeling bad that it happened and so many people got killed or hurt. On that point the lady is more guilty than he was since she led them to places that got her people killed, but apparently being deceptive and malicious intent is not as much of a crime as sympathy.
>>153915540>All of Kevin's higher-ups in Camarilla are implied to be female, and are all abusive and delulu according to his descriptionIt’s a tad unfair to factor them into this considering they’re Tremere. The entire dynamic of clan Tremere is that it’s a cultish pyramid that demands absolute subservience from the childe to the sire. To not be slavishly devoted to the sire is to be a problem that will either be forced into compliance or rubbed out.
>>153920192I wish more people were smart like you anon
>>153920192Of not turning into a kidnapping psychotic pseudo werewolf? Pretty sure he could have done that without them, in fact he did when he told his father he wasn’t going to become like him.
>>153917703>was also the designated lore dispenser, which was always fun to hear.Kitten does a little of that in one of the earlier audiologs, going over the local folklore and jazz, but that's just about it so far.
>>153918361You should kill youself, NOW!
>>153913380They explicit state in the new audiolog that they only found the label and that no other piece of the hunter data was recovered. I thought this was a fairly major indicator that the Hunter data is still being held by the ghoul and was never actually destroyed.
>>153918253Nope. Kinfolk are basically humans (or wolves) immune to the delirium. In rare cases some may have gnosis and be awarded gifts or fetish (magic items) to fuel them. Though spirits and garous are very reticent to teach gifts and hand fetish to their lesser.
>>153920477>Of not turning into a kidnapping psychotic pseudo werewolf?No a lot more than that. He wouldn't be the Arcanum's leading expert on werewolves with so little knowledge. I'd explain more but I'm on the road. Larger explanation when I stop.
>>153918253The only bonus a kinfolk could possibly get is maybe benefitting from training with the Garou or slightly more knowledge about spirits and the occult than a normal person. Of course, not every tribe and sept treats their kinfolk the same but generally it is not a good thing to be an ignorant kinfolk in the eyes of the garou
Just waiting on kittens, brothers to show up That's When the real show starts.
>>153921750>3 fag-tastic metrosexual fuckers who do nothing but simp for D and endlessly do gay jokes about oiled up muscles and shit Fuck no, if we are doing the gag then D needs to shut the fuck up and be legitimately creeped out, the dynamic does not work when its the homo writer team basically ERPing with itself in the episode and goodness known D basically never shuts the fuck up.
>>153921479> generally it is not a good thing to be an ignorant kinfolk in the eyes of the garouTo be fair, depending on the clan it’s just flat out not good to be anything that isn’t a garou, so that’s not saying much.
>>153921750Im waiting for them to do the hunt. It feels like this is dragging on.
>>153920157Me too. The Harry theory is strong
>>153921829>who do nothing but simp for DYou seem to have forgotten how the 40k version of these characters were. Karstodes was a hardline simp, but Custodisi smiled for Magnus and was more than willing to back talk to and directly call the emperor an asshole, waamudes didn’t seem to really give a shit about anything beyond being oiled up, making sex jokes, and hating normies. Their WoD variants would likely consist of Karstodes still being a hardline simp, Custodisi trying to NTR kitten between bouts of poking holes in D’s logic, and Waamudes being a degenerate who also really hates the mundane.
>>153921829Hey, chill, it'll all be alright. Don't forget, Big-E fucking hated the Fab 3, I have no reason to assume Big-D will be any less scornful of their HtP counterparts.
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>>153920270And isn't it funny then that all of them are female?While Kevin's finding kinship with shovelheads (3 male outcasts) and Chapman (hot policeman who's into mind control and else)
>>153922351G E K O L O N I S E E R D
>>153921479>but generally it is not a good thing to be an ignorant kinfolk in the eyes of the garouOh boy have I played kinfolk in my chronicles wrong. I pushed too hard the second class citizen bit
>>153920157How would that even work though mechanically speaking? I don't think he was in the key areas during the whole shitshow for him to feasibly be the culprit.
>>153922410> And isn't it funny then that all of them are female?Not particularly. Male, female, with clan Tremere it’s all the same brand of shit.>While Kevin's finding kinship with shovelheads (3 male outcasts) Through a bloodbond that they do specifically because they’d be at eachother’s throats otherwise.>and Chapman (hot policeman who's into mind control and else) Who Kevin doesn’t particularly want to be around but is obligated to.
>>153921956I don't know, Garou tribes really love wolf kinfolk, even if they're hard to really romance in the way that these dogs seem to like. Probably because they're rather subservient.>>153922451No they absolutely are second class citizens, but uninformed second class citizens who have 0 idea what a Garou is and who the Wyrm are (but not too much or else they get ideas) is basically a walking liability and more than likely going to breed outside of the nation or worse, work for Pentex. Some will absolutely treat them like second class citizens though, like Glass Walkers since they can do just about anything a kinfolk can do but better. Also important to note some tribes have no human kinfolk entirely, like Red Talons. but not in W5, one of the most baffling changes in W5 is that the Red Talons are still genocidal and spiteful dogs but now some of their number are humans and they can have human friends and contacts. For some reason. >>153922242>>153921750What splat would they be?>>153922410Chapman has a wife and kids, he's just got a teeny tiny small addiction to vampire blood.
>>153922508Dominate Grimal to do what he needs doing, Elise’s desire to check in on her makes her a convenient scapegoat whom he uses his lifting session with Markus as a smokescreen.
>>153922805Were they even around each other at the specific movements for him to have even done that? Plus the dominate potion was a hypothetical and likely only had one if any
>>153922351Eliphas is that you?
>>153922731Well in my chronicle kinfolk are kept at minimum info concerning the war. Though they could earn more by actively participating in it. Well so far I’ve only introduced bone gnawer kinfolks, who serve as spies, security guards and informants.And one children of gaia kinfolk. She’s the wife of one player who took the abusive relationship flaw. Well it’s not like she can beat up her garou husband, and he already doesn’t recover willpower from nightmares… so I just play the cold and distant bitch. The lady used to be a rebellious kinfolk who refused to learn her place so she was taught absolutely nothing. When she finally resigned herself to her fate she was made to marry a red talon metis with a dead end job as a janny and practically no money. I’m considering having her becoming a skin dancer.
I'm a little sad we've moved on from Vampires so quickly and the D Family is completely over their heads here.
>>153923085We’ll get back to vampires eventuallyWe still have to meet the anarchs in the area
>>153923018Oh yeah I think I've seen this chronicle before. Man, that Metis player really signed up for the abuse experience with how unfortunate his life is
>>153922731>Chapman has a wife and kids,And yet Kevin's able to pull him into his charms like that.In fact, Kevin's whole arc is just fag fantasy>Be ugly ass nerd witha dead-end job>Get mistreated by awful, awful women who ruin your life for reasons you can't even understand>Strike on your own>Get kidnapped by a bunch of crazy, buff and hot guys who lock you up in sex dungeon>Emerge from the ordeal with new approach in life, even get to join the weirdo jobless libertines>Pull in a hot policeman with your newfound charm, despite the fact he has a family>You even somehow stop being an awkward and ugly ass goblin
>>153923085We haven’t moved on from them though, this whole plotline started because Kevin told D about a ghoul at the chapter house. And once they deal with Matilda and her pack, get Marckus back, and deal with the ghoul we will have to the stuff with the briefcase along with the meeting Palmer mentioned between the Regent and his boss.
I NEED LEWDS OF POLYDORA!
>>153923416you're leaving out some important parts>chapman is an addict and ghoul which are like super junkies>kevin is his supplier and literal slave master given the ghoul blood dynamic>vamps when not properly fed do get very monstrous looking and acting because they're literally starving >kevin has pretty high tier mind control powers he regularly abuses so it's not really charming people unless you mean the magical version of the word charm
>>153923085It's just a segue, they still have the ghoul to deal with who will almost certainly come up sooner rather than later plus Great Yarmouth's Regent looming in the background
>>153923181Recently the gang fought the hobo goth girl’s old street gang led by a black spiral dancer. We lost one of our ahrouns (the stargazer)>Man, that Metis player really signed up for the abuse experience with how unfortunate his life isYeah, the metis’ player chose that flaw even before he had a character concept.
>>153923726Rest in peace, do let us know in wodg what he rerolls as if he will. I assume you'll just have him play some kinfolk in the interim
>>153923597>>kevin is his supplier and literal slave master given the ghoul blood dynamicDon't pretend that's not what homos consider kinkyAnd all of that is why it's a FANTASY.
>>153923872I assume he’ll play a theurge.He only asked me if spirits could be corrupted by the wyrmOur group had only two ragabash and two abrouns, with 0 skills in spirituality and only some in social.Also they asked if Stig (the fallen garou) could become the pack’s totem. They invested 5 dots into it at chargen and have yet to decide what it would be, so I think it’s a neat idea… though I don’t know if it’s possible, or accepted that a cliath (got the rank post-mortem) get the role. I was thinking that since the stargazer had wyrm corruption inside him, that he could be a totem representative of duality. Yin-Yang. More specifically the native legend about everyone having two wolves inside themselves.
>>153924121I'm not a WtA lore expert but I assume your pack's totem can really be just about anything as long as it's thematic. Could be an interesting way of keeping the character around until he reincarnates since he's kind of a mostly nobody
>>153924170I now just have to decide the mechanics behind it. I was considering that it could convert rage into gnosis and the other way around, and some extra willpower
>>153918272It's not like the pope has inquisitors deployed at every Catholic church across the world. The Society of Saint Leopold is powerful and influential, but they're not especially large. They're dangerous in locations where they focus their attention, but they cannot be everywhere at once. As long as any supernatural threats infesting churches remain subtle, they're probably not going to end up drawing the ire of the Inquisition.
Are vampires even aware of the Wyrm?
>>153924221Neat idea>>153924456Generally, no. Vampires don't really believe in a higher power other than Caine or God, and even then seldom respect it. Some work for Pentex though, those would know a thing or two
>>153924456Some vampires are aware of the wyrm but usually only the super old and wise. Werewolves and kindred don't really get along (like werewolves and anybody else to be honest), but kindred can learn about them from other shapechangers or magi.
>>153924456Some are but generally no. The only reason woofs know is because they were given a literal mandate from god.Vampires are incredibly insular because they only really care about themselves(and their human food). Its not even uncommon for vamps to not know about werewolves, The local brujah fighting over the the district of north fucking norfolk isn't anymore likely to bump into a lycan any more than a mundane gangster would and even less likely to survive the encounter if he did.
>>153923579You need better tastes
>>153924546It’s not about taste it is about completing the collection.
>>153924546Polydora is hotter than Elise and I am not joking
Is Blair also a fomori? Is her flesh going to slough off and reveal some symbolic monster representing the military industrial complex or something?
>>153924706My brother you are dying of thirst
>>153924758I'd prefer it if she's just an ordinary human ("literally every character is secretly supernatural" discourse is one of the most tiresome parts of HtP) but there's a non-zero chance she's hiding a horrible mouth beneath that mask.
>>153924758hopefully
>>153919886Like W5 is canon, come on now.
>>153924878I wonder if a Tzimisce could fleshcraft those. Warrior ghouls taught some Obfuscate, set on the enemy...
>>153924920HtP uses the W5 tribe symbols, so it's certainly using some W5 material. With no reference to Kinfolk so far, it's quite likely that they might not exist in HtP.
>>153924456The vast majority have no clue about it, but some of the oldest do.
>>153921829Big E quite literally despised them and in Custodisi's case, he was fairly shameless about not liking the Emperor either. And Waamudes did his job but also was mostly focused on being the most perverse of the lot and hating every fucking normie that dared to breathe in his presence. Only Karstodes was actually blindly loyal.
>>153914847I thought it's asexual since astarte can't feel sexual attraction
>>153915587Fate worse then death
>>153918832Frankly I find that far more interesting. There are already loads of stories about super powerful badasses who can solo hordes of monsters. A storied about someone punching above their weight by huffing their own bullshit though, that's new.
>>153925543The lore is inconsistent. Space wolves can canonically have sex. Its probably chapter-to-chapter
>>153925543>>153925937Even then, Custodes don't have the same level of Gene editing going on right?
>>153926293Custodes are even more complex, each being a hand-crafted piece of work, unlike Marines which are basically mass-produced. That said, they're also exceptionally autistic about their job, and are just as sex-incapable as the Marines mostly are, because Big E didn't have the tech to make his living weapons reproduce organically, and didn't want them to be able to do that anyways. >>153924996Extremely easily, yes. They routinely fleshcraft ghouls into war-ghouls of various fucked up nature, with big elephant-sized ones being the usual trump card, not used nowadays very often because they're obviously a giant breach of all and any secrecy. Nothing really stops a Tzimisce from making an actual vampire into a war-beast also, but it's seemingly just kind of not often done; probably because it's a really bad idea to take a supernatural, strong, deadly thing, make it even deadlier, and then hope the blood bond you mind-control it with proves enough to not have it tear you apart. The one instance I can vaguely recall of vamps being used as material for a flesh-crafted thing is the Cathedral of Flesh.
>>153925046HtP also is treating Pentex and its tentacles as it is in W20, with them being literal death cultists staffed by Fomori, Black Spiral Dancers and whatever Palmer is, and not just vaguely evil and thus playing into entropy. So Kinfolk may exist still. But I'd not bet on HtP going very deep into the deranged spiral of werewolf breeding programs and shit like that.
>>153926591That the one under Manhattan? I know some poor Lasombra was guided to something horrible the Tzimisce had made down there.
>>153926639>whatever Palmer isWorld of Darkness scholars have started to theorize that he might be a ferectoi instead of a nephandi.
>>153926793No, this is the one from the Carpathians that vanished in the Middle Ages. One under New York is The Tzimisce, the big one, not members of his clan, who apparently decided to take up architecture as a hobby with himself and his own flesh as the material. Which I guess is both a form of paying respects to the artists who made the original cathedral while going 'hey, I'm cooler than you', since he's his own cathedral.The original is supposedly alive and walking about somehow, maybe even in the modern nights. And it is up to evil.
>>153926924>s clan, who apparently decided to take up architecture as a hobby with himself and his own flesh as the material.There is a CK3 mod for WoD and my character ended up falling in love with that guy actually lol
>>153926639Aren't most oWoD Pentex employees regular people with no clue about what pentex is really about?
>>153927040Saying pentex employees is kind of a misnomer when pentex owns basuically everything. If you're employed by pentex.
>>153927040Correct. But people like Palmer and Roos and the smog-blob of flesh are the ones who call the shots; W5's Pentex wouldn't have those, except the smog-blob of flesh maybe, as it overall massively reduces the cosmic war against entropy as a theme. In W5, Palmer wouldn't exist (neither Mages nor Ferectoi exist in 5th), Ross would still be around as BSDs exist, but are simplified, same as Sabbat was utterly gutted, though Roos wouldn't be working for a Pentex corp, and the smog-blob would probably be the one piece present as he is.
>>153926639>So Kinfolk may exist still. But I'd not bet on HtP going very deep into the deranged spiral of werewolf breeding programs and shit like that.I think at the very least D would allude to it the same way he implied he fucked a Bastet
>>153927623D has a very easy reason to want to avoid all and any talk of humans who carry any sort of 'shifter gene' and possess some mild specialness to them because of that: somebody in the family is Kinfolk unknowingly and that would complicate hunting. Kitten being a catshifter Kinfolk is kind of the obvious joke here, and he did endure the Delirium really well, though he could just have inordinate willpower.
>>153927689I think the only person at risk of going too far with that information is Markus, and he is currently out of the picture
>>153916473There is a good in-universe reason why it wouldn't work, when the Vault is opened, literally everyone knows about it because it shakes the hole building. To boot, it had to be only recently finished to have not been handed over to the Coalition, and Kevin had been out of the Regent's service for years by this point so they had been waiting on the data to be completed for some time. Learning about Grimal's venting habits was the perfect chance for Waters to use the drought of domination on her to make her choke Occam and steal the data, which was hidden in the smokes. While Grimal was in her fugue state, Matilda snatched the smokes off of her and killed Fatigue soon after.
>>153921479>it is not a good thing to be an ignorant kinfolk in the eyes of the garouBeing anywhere near Garou is not recommended if you want to stay alive. Honestly, they could be considered lucky, some of them will go trhough their entire lives without getting involved with either doomsday cult.
>>153919136Nah it should be Blair shoving anon every wyrm shit into his asshole
>>153913087The HtP team has got to be aware of how rabid the fanbase is. The moment they drop a female character that isn't actively evil is going to make them go triple-platinum. Still pulling for a Brujah, Malkavian, or Banu Haqim baddie.
>>153929693Maybe we will get a cutie nerd glasswalker girl. D did say the more tech savvy woofs were far more well adjusted.
Y'know if Grimal actually is rich I bet she imports a lot more than just anime weeb shit, she probably imports Japanese perfumes and shit and probably smells very exotic. Kitten was probably getting pegged while she wore a yogi.>>153929693The Regent is out there, lurking still. We've not gotten introductions from a lot of the vampire clans, a Toreador would be an easy way to include a hot vampire lady. >>153929693There are 3, 4 tops members in Matilda's pack I think, with one being a dude and one being Matilda. They must be diligent with the wolf mommies lest they have a taco party.
>>153929467>Five years since gang fought werewolves>Five years since they got Marckus back>Five years since Grandad's foodstuff's PMC absconded from the scene with Boy>Door's sunken into deep depression>It's that time of the year again>And sure as ever, the envelope rolls down from the letter drop>It doesn't matter how much he's tightened the minefield>He knows there isn't writing on it>Just a photo>Boy looks even worse this year. His gaze is blank, drool drips from his mouth, the loose hospital gown can't hide how his muscles have atropied>The barcode tattoo on his forehead is the final insult>And this time it's once again Blair's turn to "partner" with him>Still wearing the combat fatigues, even if she's not taking to field in her current shape>Her humongous, swollen belly is posed over most of Boy's form>There is yet another tally mark tattoo on it, and maybe it's mercy that her pregnant form covers most of Boy's body>Hiding what they must have done to his boy's private parts>She's still wearing the gasmask, but it's easy to see the shit-eating grin from eyes alone>Door crushes the photo, even if he shouldn't>Kitten says that photoimagining software is getting better>They are going to find out where they are keeping him from background, as barren as it is...>... But that's what he said on every previous year
>>153930224>They must be diligent with the wolf mommies lest they have a taco party.You're not wrong, given how many people now simp for just Matilda. Having an entire pack of muscular wolf tomboys would genuinely short-circuit most of us here.
>>153930610I know it’s turn me into a cave man gruntingBut I do want more Elise and her fae journey
>>153930440Kino and WoD faithful.
>>153930610We got some designs from the artist I think, they put out everything from a Get to a Silent Strider. I'm not typically a wolf fucker but I can see the appeal
>>153925046I know many literal unironic trannies who think W5 ruined the lore so I doubt Afabusa (as but a simple fruit) feels any more fondness towards it.
>>153929973Glass Walker was clearly a man anon, sorry
>>153931088I'm pretty sure Alfabusa runs at least one W5 game for a group.
>>153925046HtP is officially endorsed via dark pack. I wager they have to use 5th edition materials to maintain the copyright.
>>153929194>Being a kinfolk >Going their full life without getting involved in either doom cultThis is impossible, the likelihood of the following things happening are absurdly high just for being a kinfolk>Getting set up as the ideal breeding pair quest for a Silver Fang or someone seeking Pure Breed because of a Rite that lets them find you>A local Garou smells you in the air and decides you need to be a submissive and agreeable servant (or die)>A Get sees you doing something impressive and starts drooling>You get employment at Pentex(everything is paradoxically Pentex and isn't at the same time) where your wolf-blooded nature is discovered quickly because the manager is a BSD or or knows a few or something and every werewolf will see you as a traitor or something>You get straight up kidnapped and violated by a BSD>You get straight up kidnapped and experimented on by Pentex or DNA>You're actually a Silent Strider Kinfolk and your nomadic relation decided to pop in for a visit after your family being ghosted for 40 years>You get to see a spirit and everyone will think you're schizophrenic>A local Mage gets a funny idea and thinks about turning you into a werewolf or using you as bait for wolvesThe likelihood that a kinfolk can go their entire life without encountering anything supernatural isn't particularly high, especially because wolves tend to be somewhat fearful of possibilities of rogue kinfolk seeing their operations and being able to talk about it openly since no delirium. It's not impossible though, several tribes and septs have policies to just allow kinfolk who wish to marry out of the nation to leave entirely since they aren't all heartless duty-first warriors. The odds of getting fucked up by Pentex anyway are rather high since Pentex is more or less everywhere
>>153927689>>153927623I'm still betting on Boy and Door>>153927040Correct, and yet also anyway in a higher position is almost entirely guaranteed to have a few banes or be a leech,edgy furry, evil mage
>>153927154Mages exist in 5th, they just are more a mysterious group and don't work at Pentex as a while. 5th seems to really keep the nature of Mages vague likely because they haven't had a concrete idea for what Mage should be since M20
>>153931088>>153931143I'd hope they could turn that into a live play, even if it is W5. W5 crimes are mainly about atmosphere and lore, the game is still relatively playable and can be fun.>>153931181Not quite, the Dark Pact doesn't apply the latest edition rule to fan projects outside of video games iirc
>>153927154Really, the edition changes do feel like Pentex propaganda. Someone else said it but it feels quite true.
>>153931310>The Pentex leadership are now just as human as me or you, yes (you) young anon, you could be a Pentex executive at no risk to your health or sanity!Yeah it does read like corpo propaganda.
>>153930224>Y'know if Grimal actually is rich I bet she imports a lot more than just anime weeb shitLulz literally everything she eats is imported straight from Japan. Its all the highest qaulity shit you can buy in the country, the stuff thats sold by auction only. You know when you read those stories of 5k for a single watermelon or 1K for a small box of strayberries that has 6 berries in it all the same size,shape,colour&etc its all perfect.She even fucking orders shit from 711 that costs less than 500 yen, having it flown with 24 hour mail. >She wastes tens of thousands of dollars of on airplane courier mail tri-monthly. Because she considers anything grown/made in the UK to be top kuso the toppest of kuso at that >And American goods especially>Lol>Lamo even>Completely inedible its basically poison GMO chemically saturated w orst of the worst bacteria riddled cancer garbage >Just being near it causes her to break out in hives, if she unknowingly eats something. Better have that epipen ready because she is beet red bubbling skin choking to death.
>>153930224>>153931610>Grimal>RichUnless you're telling me the plot twist is that she's actually from the Grimaldi family, do we have any reason to know this
>>153931610>Grimaline Smith from Norfolk>Rich as fuck when she gets hyped over some niche anime OVAIf she was out here getting premium Japanese Spam cans she wouldn't give a fuck and flex her contacts in Shinjuku Anon. She would be like "hey plebfucks, got you something, fuck you"
>>153931310Paradox has the makings of a shitty pentex subsidiary desu
>>153931370It literally, factually is. It has a genuine sidebar to remind you that corporations are people too and that hoarding capital isn't actually bad, in the game about playing eco-terrorists smashing corporations and killing billionaires.
>>153931784>Unless you're telling me the plot twist is that she's actually from the Grimaldi family>from a Revenant family (an entire bloodline of ghouls with all the associated powers that are especially susceptible to insanity)Motherfucker. There's no fucking way she isn't the ghoul. God dammit, I was really banking on the Harry theory!
>>153931920Revenants are Tzim families, so while she might be a ghoul (and it's unlikely, she was affected by Delirium,) she's not going to be a Tremere ghoul
>>153931208Yeah, being cursed with the retard gene makes things a lot harder. Your best hope is to be completely insignificant in a place that's of little interest to anything supernatural. That or you'd need to be someone who'd be more trouble than it's worth if harassed.
>>153931920>>153931958It's probably not true, and at this point I wouldn't be surprised if it was revealed to be someone just for the sake of being surprising, but it would be kinda fitting innit>Revenant Ghoul>Their disciplines are Celerity, Dominate and Fortitude>Grimal has been shown to be fast as shit, probably had to dominate Occam to find out where the drive is, and survived a full power backhand from a Crinos that threw her through a wallAlso, it would mean her name would be "Grimaline Grimaldi" and that's pretty funny.
>>153931989Grimaline Smith not only sounds fake as hell, but it could easily be a fake identity made by someone moderately retarded (like her) out of her real name
>>153931958>she's not going to be a Tremere ghoulDid Kevin say it was a Tremere ghoul specifically? I honestly cannot remember.
>>153931910It's the current year, get on with it
>>153931989I'll also point out:>During the brief camera shot showing the suspects reacting to Matilda charging them as a Crinos, Grimmal's fingers were digging into the ceramic tiling of the wall.>An unnatural feat of potenceThere's also the matter of:> Grimmal's suspicious motions when passing the smokes back to GitI'm also not entirely convinced that Matilda killed Wernon.It makes no sense to kill the chapterhouse's lycanthropy expert when one of your objectives was to extract intel about the black shuck.If killing wernon was also an objective then obviously surely you'd do that after kidnapping and questioning him.I'm not fully comfortable handwaving this as Garou being rash, impatient retards. Matilda was carefully infiltrating the chapterhouse since before the D family left, that speaks to a certain level of self-control and common sense that precludes such reckless behavior.Is it possible that there is a third supernatural threat lurking in the Arcanum, and that this mystery monster was the one responsible for killing Wernon?Perhaps related to the Wyrm?
>>153932109Yes.Kevin said that it was a ghoul belonging to the Tremere Regent of East Anglica.
>>153931910Look nigga, objectively it is fucking true that corporations are not indeed evil by default and neither is accumulating money for a rainy day or for sustainable development. There's tons of different countries with small to medium companies that are not even remotely operating on Blackrock level shit and several orgs for humanitarian and social work that do indeed do things fine. The moment you do go "All Corporations Bad" you achieve the critical issue of WtA as a political game, which is that you are fueled by the literal Plot Power Armor of being a fucking Overpowered Werewolf Anarchist with the fire to do something but no patience to indeed make anything happen.The Power Of Friendship is meta. The application may be dubious at times but the more you reject the nature of shit like a well ran company being legitimately a boon to your society and local environment, the more you reject the pragmatism of real political progress and more and substitute it for preaching to the anarch choir.There's entire branches of organizational well being and more right now made to do more than shill Wellness and do shitass breathing exercises. The more you buy into cognitive traps of never building a business and funding your interests and political practices, the more you depend on entrenched entities with no interest of yours in mind, which historically has not resulted in anything fucking ever. AKA, don't become Goyim cattle just because old punks didn't like building anything and liked shitting on everyone. Building your future and enterprise, funding your interests and making dosh responsibly and in a sustainable way that brings you success is what everyone should be doing, the problem is how hard it is to start.
>>153932340Yes, but nothing dampens the mood of Werewolf the Apocalypse and its focus on raging against the machine, than a cordial reminder that actually corporations can be good. A game about passionately fighting against the forces that are raping the planet isn't the right place for a "think about the corporations" sidebar, even if that has a place in serious discourse.Should Vampire the Masquerade have a sidebar reminding players that they're technically they're playing monstrous, inhuman parasites and that they should be pleased with the outcome whenever a chronicle ends with their characters being gunned down by hunters?
>>153932255>Is it possible that there is a third supernatural threat lurking in the Arcanum, and that this mystery monster was the one responsible for killing Wernon?I'm still of the opinion it was due to a lifetime of using the Oculus Empyrean racking up a shitload of paradoxes that made him suddenly explode. Like unironically, I believe the April Fools video is the legit answer (albeit not necessarily exactly as portrayed - I doubt Fatigue intentionally wanted to traumatize Spit).
With the grimal audiolog having both art and audio completed, and only three minutos of animation remaining in chapter 6, what are your predictions for the releases?
>>153932438>nothing dampens the mood of Werewolf the Apocalypse and its focus on raging against the machine, than a cordial reminder that actually corporations can be good.IMHO, the fact that they could be good, but never aremakes them more evil than if they were bad by default
>>153932438>Should Vampire the Masquerade have a sidebar reminding players that they're technically they're playing monstrous, inhuman parasites and that they should be pleased with the outcome whenever a chronicle ends with their characters being gunned down by hunters?Yes. Yes you are a fucking parasite. Yes you are a corpse. Yes you are a liteal leech on reality. Yes, a Good Vamp would suicide on the very first day, embraced by the sun.To play a Vamp is to acknowledge you are not a good person, but a monster draped in the stasis'd corpse form of who you used to be, once alive, breathing, Human. Werewolf is indeed about fighting the forces and also to realize endless fight and no building makes nothing but empowerment of the Wyrm.Its the key message of WtA, that people miss out on. You exist to make, and have long history and a body that destroys everything in Rage. Using that fire well is part of the fucking point, and the Shadow Lords got the right general idea but end up being too sadistic to do it right. WtA doesn't hate you making hippie orgs or co-ops or setting up a bank, its part of healing the world by cooperating with humans instead of endlessly raging agaisnt the machine.
>>153932559>Werewolf is indeed about fighting the forces and also to realize endless fight and no building makes nothing but empowerment of the Wyrm.There are more poetic, nuanced and constructive ways of handling this than a "think about the corporations, they're people too and aren't inherently bad" sidebar, just like there are more appealing ways of conveying that vampires are inherently monstrous than a blatant message like>YOUR CHARACTER IS AN INHUMAN MONSTER AND IT WILL BE A GOOD THING WHEN THEY DIEBeing slapped with a message like that which opposes the initial mood of the game (that your character is struggling to hold on to their humanity and doing their best to remain a person with their own purpose and reason for being despite being one of the undead) harms the game and in that case, that message harms the mood of W5.
>>153932255To be fair the maid outfit being damaged and the literal claw marks indicate Matilda, and yet, it was only Crinos which instilled delirium on the gang, so and the maid outfit wasn't damaged enough for a full Crinos shift. I suppose this implies it can't be Matilda but it could all be red herring or slight inconsistency
>>153932559>a Good Vamp would suicide on the very first day, embraced by the sun.It’s important to remember that not every kindred is a willing one and not every clan embraces the same way. Gangrels for example just up and embrace anyone they notice has good survival skills regardless of consent and fuck off to let the fledgling try and survive for a while before inducting them proper. Should that person just bite it because they were unwillingly turned? Should all shovelheads? If the kindred in question gets turned and genuinely tries for normalcy with the caveat that they occasionally drink people and can only go out at night, should they die even if they make an effort to cause as little harm as possible?
>>153932637The whole ass point of these games is to explore the stories of how you are sad and tragic and out of your depth and trying and more. Vamps is very much stinking of the yeah you are a monster that wishes to sustain itself and will do so and will eventually succumb to the Beast if you ain't careful and is an active risk to everyone you love and more. It is by design.Can it be better written than a 2 minute 4chan post? Absofuckinglutely, but it is true. So is the nature of communication of a secondary websites off topic discussion of the nature of a fan work adapting the base source material when I'm stalling for time off my own duties in order to grasp at the most minute drops of microdosed dopamine before a dogshit presentation I will have to do, hard carrying my colleagues.If you want better execution, so do I. I cannot provide it now, for I am in misery, much like a vamp or a wolf about to give up.
>>153932340>>153932438While in the real world, corporations are not entirely evil is true, this is WoD and it's not exactly World of Darkness without cranking up corporate greed to an 11. Woofs are supposed to be flawed protagonists, just like every other single splat. Not some goodie-two-shoes never kills anyone accidentally useful completely wholesome woofs.>>153932498If they were smart, Grimal next month and episode 6 in 3 months with a low effort post in the middle. Like a liveplay without art.
>>153931958>>153932109I think what's likely is Kevin was aware of the ghoul, but not the Clan or Sect of their domitor. If the Sabbat is warring with the Camarilla over Yarmouth, then there has to be a Tzimisce involved somewhere, and given this...>They (sic. the Grimaldi) are also the most independent of the revenant families, some even secretly plotting to free themselves from their masters' yoke....getting moles in the Arcanum might be part of slipping out of the Fiends' control if there aren't.
>>153932438I have yet to see a good sidebar addition in any ttrpg rulebook.I think most egregious one is from a Twilight Imperium spin-off game rulebook where they have the mindfulness to adda sidebar that explains that>"mmkay, interstellar war and colonisation are le bad and we don't endorse either on this planet or beyond"
>>153932746It wouldn’t really make sense for Kevin to have that information unless he was given it on the basis that the ghoul in question is of vital importance to the regent. Either because they’re working for the tremere and it would behoove the regent to inform her childer and their childer so they aid or at least don’t just up and kill the ghoul while trying to subvert the arcanum, or because they’re of a clan that’s opposed to the tremere and keeping tabs on them would be beneficial.
>>153932822To note, Kevin has been out of the Camarilla hierarchy for a pretty lengthy time as well so his information could be outdated
>>153932822I mean, if they're actually trying to get away from the Tzimisce and the Sabbat, that's an entire family of ghouls that has knowledge about one of the Camarilla's enemies - knowledge and blood-bonded servitude are a nice package, so keeping tabs on a potential lead makes sense.
>>153932879This is also a possibility, but I like to think that he cut ties fairly recently and had that information on hand prior to going Sabbat. The camarilla are tight lipped fucks even amongst their own, no way in hell they’d let that information slip into the hands of a rival faction.
>>153932711Previous editions of Werewolf the Apocalypse, Vampire the Masquerade and other game lines do have a better execution.Werewolf the Apocalypse cultivates an understanding in the reader, the more that they delve into the setting. It starts with:>Werewolves are the heroes of Gaia, fighting against the evils of the Wyrm to save the world from being forever ruined by the worst aspects of mankind.Then when you delve a little deeper, it becomes:>Werewolves are terribly retarded and inherently flawed, they're partially responsible for the present state of the world and they're incapable of dealing with the problem, Earth is fucked and it's thanks to them.And at the final level, it becomes:>Werewolves are deeply flawed, but they are capable of becoming better. Mindlessly fighting the Wyrm wherever they find it is just as harmful as flagellating themselves over the sins of the father. They are capable of building something better, but it's almost too late.W5 smashes it all together in a single book, in a kaleidoscope of clashing themes. Instead of offering a progressing understanding of the setting, it rambles along like this:>Werewolves are Gaia's last hope but they're gigantic retards who don't stand a chance but they're cowards if they don't fight but fighting does more harm than good but someone has to stop destructive corporations but corporations aren't inherently bad but the entire world is in peril but werewolves can't do anything except on a local scale but they have no choice but to rage against the machine but they need to contribute to society but...I'm not saying that you need to convey things better, I'm saying that Paradox failed to do so with W5.
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>>153932894It would be extremely comical if this is just bait and the Regent just assumed Grimaline is related to the Grimaldi off of the name alone, and there was no ghoul but the Werewolf just happened to be there
>>153933184Actually, I'd like to add to this (nta) that W5 simultaneously also says the Earth is Kill and you failed somewhere 20 years ago, so the fight is both pointless and retarded. But it also doubles down and says even if the Earth is dead you're still alive
>>153932340>>153933339Mind you, WtA never explicitly says all corporations are evil, it merely asks you to believe Pentex has its toes in many pies and that the Wyrm and Banes are tied to industrialization. This doesn't mean that every single store or factory you visit is actively using Banes to turn the wildlife gay and aggressive, but that it has the potential for it. Something to keep in mind, it is often memed that it's all Pentex because it's funny but that isn't the whole reality of the situation.
>>153933414I mean, yeah, can't argue with you there. People think that pentex is behind literally every corporation instead of simply having a sizeable influence and market share. While shitposting is gun, I wish I could do more than that. I can't really join 5th edition discussions since I only read H5 and that was a long time ago.
>>153932492The Oculus is an Imbued artifact though.I thought only the true magic of Magi incurred paradox?
>>153934015Yes, only True Magic incurs Paradox, though Imbued artifacts still have risks or other problems. It also stopped working for Fatigue years ago.
>>153932711The point of these games is how things are not simple and how disagreement is the problem and solution. They are touching on an issue so integral to the human experience to the degree it leaves the book and enters conversations like this one where once again there is no consensus.
>>153927735What's the worst Markus could even do with Kinfolk knowledge? Try to forcibly make himself one?
>>153932340based technocracy shill
>>153935317Discover that his boytoy is a bastet kinfolk and try to unlock his werecat potential with the power of science and troll-infested niche forums.
>>153932559this is nothing wrong with being a vampire
>>153935424Nothing right about it either, but I do love my Nosferwaifu
>>153935385>All that workThe lengths women will go to to get barbed
Boy the Bane-Buster
>>153936253Tis peak. Truly the greatest.
>>153936253Wait untill you find out about the kind of genitals fomors can have...
>>153936253Would Palmer make her shave? Or would she do it on her own? Would she even care?
>>153936386
>>153936253cute
>>153917782Based and same
>>153936968A gift
>>153913087 Do we know what Mr black dudes talking about when he says the on household ( speech to text cannot understand its name)Avengers ?
>>153936253I'd say she should have just a little more muscular body type... and have at least some form of wounds/signs of surgery. But good work anyways.>>153936418Chemical treatment that stops hair from growing and makes outer parts of labia far less sensitive, reducing enjoyment from sex
>>153937097>>153936253Did she believe Door was talking about them blowing up the plane when he said he knew about the stuff at the burger joint?
>>153936253You remember that bit from the Day In The Life of Boy where Boy shows off the "musk-lees" in his legs, and when he shows them off you hear a meaty thump to illustrate their girth?That, but this time it's not legs.
>>153937148Don't think so. She's propably reminiscing about the loss of 30+ hamburgars... and her days as a O'tolley's employee before her runnign over a coworker got her jumped into squad program.They propably got reports that they lost a mid-manager, and I think Palmer at least can put 1+1 together and deduce that Door and Boy were most likely culprits - which means they know at least something about what's going on.
>>153937097Damn she got the Kellogg treatment
>>153937148Nope, it's more than likely her being a previous type of wage slave before being Blair>Be young teen working at O'Tolleys>Kinda bad at it, fucking up order and spilling Burger sauces on self enough to become Burger Lady>One day while driving home after shift run over a guy, killing him>Number of witnesses nearby, sees you and your face - oh God you screed up now>A handsome and rich looking guy walks up to you, and offers/coerces you into new job working as his security >Take it cause you don't have a choice but you find out you're actually good at it>Killed atleast 10 people easily already within your first 2 weeks>Get promotions, modifications, chemical assistance to making you the best killing machine around>and a discount at all pentex restaurants, amazing customer service training, and the love the the best boss around>No longer the Burger lady
Kitten has irritated me for awhile too. When he started screaming about how the inquisition was totally evil I couldn't help but roll my eyes, don't care if he's correct. He's a whatever audience surrogate when he's relaxed. When he's excited, he grates.
Can someone draw this as Togo as the the abuse goblin
>>153937377 So she thinks that door just saw her randomly kill a guy by accident. That he was just a random witness that day who recognizes her today now and that's why the Coalition packed up minus the old dudes daughter and her church people? Having no idea it was just a random Burger person monster at the restaurant he was at he was talking about?
>>153937407You could also make the therapist Occam and the dude Kitten.
>>153930440That grimdark as shit I hope door will find boy again
>>153937398I cut Kitten some slackHe’s stressed out over what is the toughest creature he’s ever faced stealing his fiancé and dragging him into a dimension even the seasoned hunters don’t understand Also despite his readings, his knowledge on the inquisition is probably false given that it’s probably been written to take out elements, such as vampires, and the other things I hunted during that timeSo he probably doesn’t know like the full picture just like many things that he talks about other than like urban ghost stories
What are gnomes like in this setting?
>>153937453No, she thought some boy knew her previous embarrassing nickname somehow and was sad at it.
>>153937519>and the other things I hunted during that timeGet off the internet, D
I’m more waiting for the kitten and Kevin audio logHaving a vampire in an undisclosed location that knows shit about vampire society would be helpful for him
>>153937641I don’t why I put an I there Literally changes the whole sentence with one letter
>>153937528PHENOMENAL COSMIC POWERitty bitty glamour pool
>>153937349No shit. Pentex literally sells paediatric behavioural disorder medicines that gives people who took it as children erectile dysfunction when they reach adulthood.It's exact kind of griefing they would do.
>>153937398I worry about what's going to happen when they do finally get Marckus back, since this kind of high strung behavior isn't going to go away quickly, especially if Marckus does indeed Awaken in the Umbra. He's just going to constantly fret and stress about the whole affair, and it's going to get annoying.
>>153937778 I'm most worried it's going to be like Dragon Ball Z the Chamber issue with Mr redhead( speech to text is bad with names)being significantly older and longer amount of time when he gets back then he's been gone from everyone else. And the otaku will be the first one to notice referencing it by name exactly.
>>153937398He also had the benefit of being near Marckus who was even more infuriating faggot. Without him he has no cover.
>>153937528They build grenade launchers out of Pringle cans and Elmer's glue and then call you a piss-drinking faggot afterwards.
Why has no one called Marckus or Kitten faggots yet? It's 2006 in-universe, I remember calling people faggots in school then
>>153937960They play halo death matchThey are called fags every day
>>153936253What's your social media account
Tilly with that shit on
>>153938104I’d let her stuff me in a locker and take my lunch money
>>153937832I think Marckus is a character of extremes, he's both a whiny faggot (literally) and based beyond hell some other time. Him being an extremely flawed suck up for magic and things beyond his understanding also kind of gives him character. Yeah he can be grating, but the character dynamics don't work as well without him.I also have to say the biggest flaw of some of these audiologs is despite being somewhat of a character exploration for certain character's mental states, there's very little internal dialogue unlike with Door's episode. Seeing Door breaking things down as they happen was very good with his autist hunter brain. Not something we see here where Kitten or D get slightly desperate or we get D thinking about the last time this happened (Anton). Frankly a big loss, and I'm unsure of why they aren't introducing more characters to the cast considering Pandora's box got opened already with 5.1 and 5.2
>>153938227The police recording audio log was one of my favorites for that reason. It was almost majority just D and his thoughts. This last one was awful, I didn't care most of the characters and it was just a lot of retards shouting for literally no reason with funny accents that were grating on the ears. Doubly so because 80% of the episode was worthless once Door used the worm slur.
>>153938272Based Door immediately nullifying all of Kitten's terrible work. Anyway, yes I feel like the internal perspective has been missing and 5.2 and 5.4 now have relied a lot on topical European humor and have more or less developed the world and plot in directions that feel disconnected from the original Vampire hunt. While I liked Pascal and the Swedish guy was kind of funny, I do think it just doesn't really work when an audiolog is mostly pointless or invalidated and contributes nothing of much worth to the plot or the characters. 5.2 didn't do much, but at least 5.4 did get the plot rolling a little bit and as a neat bonus it completely killed off the Arcanum .I have no clue how 5.5 is going to wow us or drop the ball, but I expect 1 of the 2 since Grimal is either a fan favorite or memed into absolute hell as a seething cuckqueen
>>153938227Markus is a huge idiot savant. One minute he'll be figuring out how to work a magical item and the next he's busy breaking every bone in his body.>>153938272There are two kinds of audiolog. Lore dumps that are 90% filler and 10% gay flirting (5.4) and then audio logs that contain actual content (5.1 and 5.3). I'm going to give my hot take that 5.2 and 5.4 were entirely unnecessary and we could have just cut to the coalition raiding the forest.
The audiologs are too self indulgent but I'll allow it if it means I get more Grimal-kun content next time around
>>153937960The only one of the cast who would do that is Brok, and the only times he would have a chance to do it he's either been busy to notice (eps 4 and 5) or Marckus is deliberately avoiding mentioning that his fiancé is a guy specifically because it would make him an even bigger target (pub crawl).
>>153938507I think 5.4 could have been featured but heavily cut, the entire coalition perspective wasn't really needed and was just used as a vehicle for jokes and weird puns. Arguably, either the shifty HR lady or the Irish guys should have been cut. Or both. We keep the Swedish guy because Mike is Swedish in this one and we already know the Swedish are Pentex employees (Paradox)
>>153932340I think the issue between the versions is that pentex was supposed to be a genuinely evil corporation because all their employees get infected with a demon parasite that helps them do bad things. Perhaps the most punk thing is to think of a corporation as this invisible giant blob that always wins but it should be said somewhere that corporations are just a group of people and a lot paperwork they pass between eachother. In that sense corporations are not good or evil because the are collective actions by individuals but its easier to say pentex is evil rather than say "pentex's board of directors are all demonic psychopaths and a majority of their corporate employees have been infected by fomori in different stages of development which all have the goal of destroying Gaia which would negatively affect all living things, which we are."
>>153936253Without boy
>>153939504Why do so many anons like the Burger Lady?
>>153940141She wacky and cute
>>153936253WOAH i was not expecting to see some Blair and or boy art.
>>153940141They havent felt the fire of bpd
>>153939504Fuck get rid of the hag and bring him back!
>>153937097>ywn call Blaire "Burger Lady" as you nut in her drug-poisoned womb
>153,941,202/1 monthsThon shalt now heed the tribal grandfather!
>Now anon, the final trial in your initiation to the Gladius Dei, bring me to climax.
>>153937960Because the only faggot here is (You)
>>153941325I...I know not if my faith will be enough to succeed.
>>153941202>>153941274Granddad Fucks-The-Kin would never approve of relations with Pentex employees. And especially non-kinfolk. He was very traditional that way, even back when he was beating his wife for not being submissive enough.
>>153940141SHE'S NOT THE BURGER LADY
>>153941325How are you so on model?
What would Uncle Peter think of Boy?
>>153940868
>>153942094I imagine he would like boy but will still hate his brother door
>>153942092sloppa
>>153919758That's Elise. It's made pretty obvious that she has a crush on Harry in the pub episode.
>>153924758I'm leaning toward just "high off her tits on Pentex combat drugs," but it's definitely possible.
>>153924758First team Pentex members? They're usually just amoral normies hopped up on stimulants.
>>153942533No it's a reference to the official art that has Matilda trying not to howl when she sees Henry
>>153930224>>153931610There's no chance Grimal's particularly rich. She had a whole thing about how Kitten should be happy he's free to do his own research, even if it's on his own money, and she and Elise had to do a report on how they spent money given to them for a field trip, down to 'yeah and we bought a wigan kebab and I threw up'. I suppose it's plausible she just doesn't want to spend her own riches on these things, but the more plausible option is that she isn't wealthy, and if she was from the Grimaldi family, she's certainly not getting any of their dosh.>>153933414Imo there's considerable value in setting up the players to believe literally everything is Pentex, only to have the Storyteller remind them, often painfully, that while their crusade is righteous, not every board meeting they crash will actually have any Wyrm tentacles shaped like people in it. And just in general in setting up the players to actually view the world as the Garou do, it may help avoid the issue Vamp players have where they really want to play nice vampires, while the very premise of the curse is that you just lose your humanity, bit by bit. The blurb about corporations not being necessarily bad sabotages all this, and is tonally discordant, even if it is in real-world terms obviously not incorrect.
>>153941325NO! I'M SAVING MYSELF FOR BIG TIDDY TREMERE GF! NOOoOooo
>>153941325I would. I might need a bit of the lights dimmed but I sure would. After marriage of course and at least 4 months of gym and MMA training
>>153941325yowza
>>153938606I feel the HR lady should've been cut and we could've had Occam say he got of a phone call with her and she's pissed (at the data loss). The union guys can stay - if only to really tldr Blair's contract.
>>153937903>Elmer's glue*Karlsons klister
>>153938459Now that Pentex thinks that the D family know too much...> (door used the word 'worm freak' in a purely descriptive sense, but somebody who is sufficiently paranoid could be easily interpret his accusation as 'wyrm freak') Should we expect the Coalition to target the hunters with whatever their equivalent of a 'blood hunt' is?
>>153944863>Should we expect the Coalition to target the hunters with whatever their equivalent of a 'blood hunt' is?The Coalition? Fuck no but now Palmer and everyone else with any authority inside of the company absolutely has carte blanche to do whatever is necessary or within their will to them, given the D Family stopped what was happening inside the O'Tolleys and likely can tie it burning down and their franchise being struck alongside a branch of their influence.I mean really, if the D Family doesn't get actually some pushback on the Werewolf chapter after indeed pretty much destroying the entire establishment of the Wyrm and then stating outright they're onto them, then I'd be kinda surprised. The conspicuous lack of a D response on this segment is also odd given he knows about the Spiral and the like too.
'olloha! me again. cool to see the same debate about how to make capitalism evil without being trite is happening again.ive learned about cofd Werewolf: The Forsaken in the meantime and holyshit. it is so much better. why does no one talk about this?. im literally just gonna insert this version of werewolf into my games and headcannon instead of this punk carebear bullshit
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Watch out, the (You) farmer is back with more shitty bait
>>153945007what?
>>153944996Tell us about your favourite Forsaken tribe and why it's more interesting than anything that Apocalypse has to offer.
>>153944863I would say moderately unlikely, since they have nothing they can actually implicate Pentex with. At most they can get the Leopoldites against Pentex, but at least a few of those guys have to have True Faith which would let them understand there is something up with Pentex to begin with. While the D family (seems like) small fish to easily fry, Pentex has way more imminent threats which require more resources. At most they might be blacklisted from Pentex affiliates or something, maybe put under corporate surveillance.
>>153945120as i said, I only recently looked into WTF and mostly just at its setting and premise. i find a werewolf detective/ICE fighting against an endless stream of magical bullshit due to original sin more interesting in captain planet. i view it as having way more directions for story telling than apocalypse.i still overall prefer owod, given my glazing of mage as the best splat
>>153945195There is no original sin, the Forsaken were objectively correct when they killed Father Wolf, 2e makes that clear. It was the right thing to do and they have no regrets.Anything particular about Forsaken that is superior to Apocalypse, other than the surface level concept?
>>153945259see >>153945195. the concept/premise is literally the lifeblood of the fucking game. literally a quarter of this thread is about how 1sided and silly wta is and the problem that causes when you want to tell a good story with it.
also its still basically original sin even if they were right (see gnostism for an irl example)
Question, do Gaia and god know each other?
>>153945490Gaia is dead, probably even in pre-5th continuity. Her flesh was used to shape all living things like clay, and those being feasted upon her organs to sustain themselves. In turn Gaia is also all living things, so..... take of that what you will.More cosmological answer, God might be the sum collective of the triat, and his current state of incapacitation / being dead is a byproduct of the triat being out of balance. By that nature God and Gaia would know each other, yeah.
I'll miss you bros when the thread is over until next month>>153944996You're free to swap out Apocalypse for Forsaken in any WoD game but if you're not running Werewolf there really is no point to doing so, since your average non-Werewolf interaction with a Lycanthrope boils down to>SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK WHY WON'T IT DIEI have a pretty hard enough time convincing players that they AREN'T supposed to know Lupines are real in VtM until they encounter one, or other such nonsense since the supernatural is heavily policed by itself. Players are not supposed to casually carry silver bullets around, among other things, unless they really are expecting werewolves.>>153945490It depends on your interpretation if Gaia is a Vampire Ante, an Angel, or a primeval spirit precursor to the Triatic spirits. Only in one of these cases would God be personally known, and in the third case it is the equivalent of God. The worldbuilding is whack like that because it wants to present the freedom of the ST to pick and choose while also providing a nice schizophrenic "no one actually knows" element to the conspiracy theory-like nature of the setting. Unreliable narrators can be kino
>>153945259>>153945332Boiling down Apocalypse and Forsaken to>Furry Captain Planetand>Furry ICE and Spirit CSIis somewhat reductive over the other and arguably more important themes present in the games regardless of the chosen backdrop and basic setting for your gameplay. You're of course free to prefer one over the other, but to purposefully ignore WtA's friction of modernism vs tradition and things like meaningful community and cultural bonds or Forsaken's focus on Inheritance, defense of the in-group against an outgroup, and somewhat more traditional Werewolf territorial arguments is reductive and unhelpful to really discuss the games outside of making funny memes. You can freely prefer either game obviously, I'm not saying you cannot.
>>153944863Very unlikely, Hunters don't do blood hunts because it is dangerous, risky, and unnerving to hunt regular humans. Pentex though? Yeah, we might get to see them involve themselves with the Werewolf hunt by surprise after the first round of combat in episode 6. So I'm expecting something like>Episode 6 Breakdown of Negotiations and fight scenes between woofs and the gang>Re-igniting negotiations after getting nowhere>Pentex invades forest because it's convenient now and they wanted to do it anyway>Episode 7 starts>Woofs get mad but D gang promise to try helping out against Pentex>Goes well, Ross or someone goes after Boy>Door, sensing he's at his human limits and caring too much about Boy over himself, tries becoming a Stolen Moon from some books or ideas he stole from his father (ironically making the thing D fears come true but not from Marckus and completing the prophecy)>Werewolves rightfully pissed at Door, who then goes into self-imposed exileThat's my theory at least.>>153944912>>153945161My thoughts more or less, though I think more due to the convenience of it rather than because Pentex truly cares about being known by a bunch of literal who huntards
>>153945645i boiled it down to that, partially because it's funny but also because i am still new to the splat and didnt want to say what else I find brilliant about the premise at risk of saying something completely wrong and it botheringore veteran COFD anons.but I very much appreciate the nuance your giving to wta and extending the olive branch, genuinely swell of you man. i just personally find the guerrilla war against the wyrm to not really appeal to me because it feels like you have to put in a lot more effort to make it interesting by either going into the themes you described (which could be better down by other splats imo) or having to charactize capital/wyrm in a radically different way rather than just being evil entropy or line go up (which is also done better in other splats imo).
>>153937960Because then it wouldn't be an insult, it would just be the truth. They ARE faggots. They do not deny being faggots. They a literally in a faggot marriage.
>>153937960answer A: 2000s nostalgiafags being nostalgiafags. cant handle the reality of the eraanswer B: even though nobody respects the D family, it's probably best not to needlessly insult them incase they can manipulate or draft them (iirc even the catholics and black ladys groups only gave mild insults, most harsh was by the union)
>>153945879Yeah, even with me giving some nuance to the setting ultimately the gameplay loop will always have to circle around to the backdrop just like VtM will always circle around back to the Masquerade and its consequences. If you simply do not like fighting corpos and corporate horrors beyond human comprehension then by all means Forsaken might be more your thing. I just find it hard to get into Forsaken over Apocalypse because the attempting to assist or improve the nation and dealing with Kinfolk can be legitimately engaging, as well as it has an easier time integrating into WoD as a whole. Pentex is also, as memey as entropy and number go up, genuinely a Cyberpunk-tier nightmare of human rights violations and unethical nonsense. Of course you could say the same about some spirits or the Pure, I don't deny Forsaken it's appeal. I just find the territorial disputes and the overall lesser focus on a werewolf community as a whole less engaging than the shitstorm of social interactions you can develop at a large moot or tormenting players with Fomori nonsense.I do like Forsaken also, and I think as an individual game it's probably more functional, but it doesn't scratch the same type of itch for me. But hey, all the power to you if you enjoy it for how it is.
>>153945963maybe I can phrase this better. it feels like most wod books have a good understanding of their scale or what it can be. vtm is good for small scale but can easily move to middle scale with faction warfare, masquerade and shit but cant ever be apocalyptic or too big scale generally unless its a broken masquerade story or something.mage is usually always going to large scale or even if your running small scale it will often radically escalate to the former. wta by contrast always feels small scale even though its technically one of the biggest scale splats next to mage due to the war against the most evil force in existence, but since its a guerrilla war or tard wrangling the other guareu tribes, its going to feel very small scale, and everything always revolves back around to "save gaia!"i wish this explains my hang up with wta's premise better, but also absolutely yes everyone should play what they like. thanks for being very civil mate
>>153945684Doesn't becoming a Stolen Moon take a lot of prep? Either way I just can't see Door doing that. He'd just die sacrificing himself to save Boy
>>153946357>Always feels small scalePentex is basically global and you aren't forced to stay with your sept defending Caerns 24/7, so I feel like it's maybe very surface level thinking that you're forced into small-scale global politics. I like to think it's a mix of attacking Pentex and defending your territory. There's definitely room for ganging up with other woofs and launching direct offensives. Every splat can do this where you scale up stuff to global or you're willingly doing a more small scale game. The conflict is usually global in all of these settings, between the ascension war (global) versus direct happenings in your city or area (local), same thing with VtM. Technically, VtM can be both local-scale Masquerade protections to globe-trotting Sabbat-fighting/Methuselah-slaying/seeking Golconda in a way. It is really up to the group and the ST what they want to play through every splat tends to have a style of play they lend themselves to well, it isn't easy being essentially a globe-trotting Ubermensch nocturnal with Vampire and also observing the Masquerade, nor keeping things immediate to your small district or town in Mage without severely gimping XP gains else your usual Hermetic is already brewing potions of extreme luck.>Save GaiaFunny you should mention that. Every other supplemental material for Werewolf outright tells you that Gaia is dead lmfao. However, it's in character for the Garou to to keep on fighting anyway as part of the themes of the game. I figure with this sort of IP roleplay is more important than making sure your setting has consistency, and admittedly roleplaying an ecoterrorist with fur and significant anger issues might be a tall ask of a lot of players. It's like if Final Fantasy never changed into Aliums and Cloud was a lionboy
>>153946506It's basically skinning a Garou on a full moon isn't it? That's more or less what Fatigue did. Granted, the moon was full during Door's episode so this isn't going to work exactly like that, just a theory I had.
>>153946520Nah it also involves preparing and consuming some of their organs, although it's probably less one ritual and more like several. Either way, Door wasn't present for that audiolog so he wouldn't know anything about stolen moons. Kitten does, and might have the inclination to try.
>>153944863>Should we expect the Coalition to target the hunters with whatever their equivalent of a 'blood hunt' is?Not really, they'd need a good reason to go after Fraud and co. Pentex might if they deem them a threat though.
>>153944863Coalition? No. Pentex? Possibly after that Worm/Wyrm comment.
>>153937960why is it so important to you that they be called faggots in the show?
>>153946511afraid i dont quite get your last paragraph, sorry. if it makes more sense, in vampire, no matter what your still hiding from the sun, dealing with the usual same set of factions or masquerade breaking creatures and doing politics, whether your james bond or a low drug dealer leading to it always still having a lowdown mood (if that's the right term) and mage has the weird occultism and mixing of regular politics with whatever philosophy the campaign is organised around.werewolf feels like it doesnt have a consistent sliding scale and is always in a Schrödingers Cat state of being two different moods at once. im really sorry for not being able to eexpalin this better.also I thought it was more mixed how dead gaia was before 5e
>>153946575Pentex essentially *IS* the Coalition though.At least, within the story of HtP.Whenever they move all the other members obediently follow.
>>153946623They influence it but they are unlikely to get them to hunt down and murder people without tipping their hand since they are still separate factions. It'd be easier for them to just handle it in house anyway.
>>153946357There are literally scenarios for uniting the Nation worldwide, defeating entropy itself and potentially restarting the world from scratch. Even if you discard ToJ scenarios, there is the Amazon War and plenty of maeljin to fight. Hell, the Wild West splat features a battle to stop the Storm-eater from destroying the Americas. It’s plenty high stakes.
>>153946675see>>153946618
>>153946623Pentex has sway over the coalition, or some of it's members. Angering a major partner like Pentex isn't a smart move when you compare it to what they can give you and what D can offer. The union's members would probably be against hunting other people so it's a case of leadership vs members. I have no doubts that government groups would kill people and oWoD doesn't try to hide the fact that the SoL will kill you if they need to.
>>153946623What.Pentex is a corporate megacomplex that has sway over the mortal monetary world, with corporate entities like Grandad Foodstuffs. The Coalition is not Pentex, and Pentex is not the Coalition by objective fact. The Coalition is a *branch* of Pentex's *influence*, and through material and political support and dominance controls the actions of several lower Orgs that, in practice, depend on the Pentex's influence and whims to achieve their goals or to grow.Pentex does not own the Union. Pentex is not the sole owner of G-Kontoret. Pentex is not fingerbanging the black HR lady until she cums. The Coalition is merely coerced through the monetary gains and political influence of actors under Pentex, the same way a football team is not pissing on the coca cola advertisement that pays well to keep the lights on, its just either bad business, bad press, a bad practice or it compromises the effectiveness of your protocols, and for people like the Union, that means not protecting your own fucking neighbourhoods.I want you to consider the sheer problems that actually has for the Union people as an example. What Markus has going on for him is also happening to entire neighbourhoods. The D Family are protagonists, but would you, a Union man, want to doom 7 Markus of your own, to save a pack of unsympathetic screaming cunts, cutting ties to people giving you guns and money and legal immunity? Fuck no. Especially with the guys not even wanting to pay the entry tax or monthly contribution. Pentex doesn't own the Union, but the Union needs actually organized support to function. Its not owning, its just pragmatic mutualism.
>>153946618I think you should just stick with “I think the Captain Planet premise is dumb,” if you struggle so much to say much more than that.
>>153946618Essentially I'm saying every splat makes RP demands of the player and WtA's is more or less roleplaying the early segments of Final Fantasy 7 (against Shinra) but with furries, which admittedly might not be for every anon.
>>153947155And to note, even the earliest most clueless segments of FF7 still had you battling>spirits>demons>huge animals>corpo mechas>humanity's greed>aliens>hobos>the undead
>>153946691If you have questions over consistency of scale there's everything in werewolf from shit happening immediately in your town, the state, the country or region, and like anon pointed out some global stuff. Yeah some of it is your legwork but nothing is stopping the chronicle antagonist from being the local or northwestern branch of Avalon (a Pentex subsidiary) for example, among other things. I believe maybe you're not quite understanding due to not reading the books at maybe the same level of investment that you read VtM or maybe you're just not interested in the premise, but I think you're overlooking the sheer scale of Pentex and the Apocalypse conflict. It can be anywhere from a surprise trip to Africa recovering Garou relics excavated during a Pentex mining operation that is also leeching life from the region, a chemical waste dump in an important river in your state or European country, your city's water supply being poisoned by banes or your citizens getting possessed by O'tolley's bad burgers, a malicious fracking operation across the north Pacific in Alaska, etc. Yes, themes of the climate are at the core of WtA but there's also the other duty of werewolves as an intermediary between man and spirit in maintaining the balance. So maybe a bane in a local power plant has developed greater plans to usurp local spirits, maybe the Weaver spirits are up to no good, maybe your fellow Garou have bad intentions, maybe some sorcerers are trying to capture or develop spirit technology. All of these are things you can encounter and make the project of your Chronicle without necessarily going all the way into Pentex nonsense. It's just that, Pentex being everywhere, it's a core part of the setting of WoD at large and a big contributor to the gothic horror and crap sack world vibes. Why is Detroit so much worse? Pentex. And vampires, but mostly it's Pentex plundering from the community and the environment in the name of profits and environment destruction.
>>153947397Cont.Another point to make is that a large part of Pentex isn't even after ecological collapse, they're genuine just corporate parasites. You could somewhat equate them to leeches, but in a less supernatural way and more about business and negotiations. There's a lot of whacky situations featuring intense corporate nonsense and products like murdering your coworkers or a board game that makes you want to kill yourself, but there's also legitimate corporate drama like a Glass Walker business corporation trying to muster the funds and community/government support to stop a Pentex demolition of a state park or the natural environment to build a factory or an office building. There's much to do, even before considering the social element of dealing with the various factions of werewolves not unlike an Elysium gathering of anarchs, Camarilla, and a few hidden Sabbat members or independents.
Why not kill all of the triad? They seem bad for you and you could live without spirits.
>>153947532You try and kill the metaphysical reality of Creation, Order and Entropy nigga. You are not that guy, not even Caine is that guy.
>>153947532No, you can’t. The Weaver’s ultimate victory involves cutting off the Umbra from the physical world forever.The outcome? Nothing new is ever born and everything dies.
>>153947532>Kill the TriadEven if you could (you can't) then reality ends
>>153947532They kind of embody the entirety of existence in some fashion. The problem with them is the balance is super out of whack. One of the "good" endings to werewolf is releasing the Wyrm so he and The Weaver can have their hate fucking session to get it all out of their system. Yeah the world ends but it also gets rebooted so everything is pretty chill again.
>>153947532Ah, the enlightened Nephandi ending
>>153947607Unlike Vampire, I feel like every Werewolf ending is some variant of everyone dies
>>153936253Impressive work.
>>153947190>>153947155thanks for clarifying. on the other hand, ff7 did also have the majority of it's party, even in disc 1 attacking shinra due to personal reasons (tho the player doesnt learn of them until much later)>>153946794i respect the simplicity, but I feel it would be productive to try to put into words or find the reason why i don't fuck with (owod) werewolves. there's also the matter that the anons ive been chatting with have been very nice and it would be nice courtesy to give them a good reason that isnt just
>>153947397>>153947429very based effort post anon. honestly this is on me for not looking more into werewolf and also thinking creatively. ill actually give it a shot of reading alongside WTF, of course.
>>153944863>Do or Die>Door DieIt's not the werewolves that are going to kill him.
>>153947558>>153947562>>153947578>>153947607Pic related is me doing exactly that. Your spooks have no power over me.
>>153948180>highlevelschizomage.jpgVery kino Anon, I respect your hustle. We will hold your vigil when you kick the bucket.
>>153947990>>153948028I appreciate you're open-minded about it and not your usual shitposter, even if you might not actually like the splat (which is perfectly fine, there's a reason the game is WtA and not V:tM - Werewolf Apocalypse.)I will readily admit not every game is for everyone, I'm a big fan of WoD overall except for maybe Demon (too weird) and Reckoning (a bit aimless) but on CofD's side I don't really enjoy too much Requiem or Beast and Deviant. Ultimately, I think it's totally fine if your critique of it boils down to "I think the Captain Planet premise of fighting Pentex and the Apocalypse primarily is dumb and I dislike it." Often you don't really need a deeper reason for why you don't engage well with a splat or whatever. Unfortunately for people that dislike werewolf, and increasingly people like me that dislike W5 in particular, it seems Ogre is very insistent on involving Werewolf stuff in the current arc and likely there will be no breaks on the furry captain planet with angsty anger issues train.I also hope you like faeries, they're next if the character model production is to be believed.>>153948046>The Patriarch in mastering Luna ends up Hamstrung>Some line about burying thy VaderHorse seems to prophesize something about Boy's father or it could be D striking a deal with the Werewolves. I somehow suspect that alternatively, it could be related to Ross.
>>153948180>egoistEgoism and Stirner himself are spooks, so how can you possibly outspook reality? Also, based. Is that Chainsawman in the bottom left?
>>153948277Markus found a new meaning in life after getting kidnapped by that werewolf woman. He never yearned for men, he yearned for werewomen. He lives hapilly as he is not only an unawakaned magic man but also a kinfolk.
