It's still PRIME TIME, but now it's also time for our boy to go on a date.
>>153913331It's been a while since I did a storytime, let's hope I don't fuck up
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>>153913331Yeah best time of the month. Prime time!thanks anon keep going.
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>>153913331Wasn't he dating Laurie. Did they break up off screen?
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>>153913471>Talks about comic relationships not happening in real life>But is also a Spider-MarriagefagGetting some mixed signals here Prime
>>153913390It's explained in the issue itself
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>>153913368He said the thing
>>153913419When is prime going to actually accept responsibility for infinite crisis. He keeps deflecting and calling it an accident and how you can't dwell on it he's totally redeemed now. But he needs to actually try to accept what he did and atone somehow instead of saying it doesn't matter
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>>153913562>Demons are on for heroes to kill Ana from legal...
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>>153913562He TRACED The Void in that last panel
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>>153913614sexo
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>>153913638Primes got a crush
>>153913419>AccidnetIs this intentional or an error
>>153913451Jimmy at a goth club?Also, Death?
>>153913674His gf is singing, of course he's be there to support her
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>>153913691I guess it was intentional
>>153913580Oh anon
>>153913691It's META time and also time for the british invasion that was promised in a previous issue
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>>153913744Which JoJo character is this?
>>153913669It's underlined like the other misspelled word on the previous page. "ym" Seems to be an oversight of the editor since the spellcheck picked it up yet it wasn't corrected.
>>153913669>>153913763It appears multiple times in the issue signifying Manchester fucking with his mind.
>>153913716Fucking love this shit
>>153913451Prime's disguice made him look like Iggy Pop.
>>153913757Done.Willamson and Mora are clearly having fun and so far so am I.Let's all thank Manchester Black for keeping our boy pure and also giving us the chance to experience Infinite Crisis once again.
>>153913497That's his ship and he'll defend it by fucking killing you to death.
>>153913796>Terra 2>ArgentBASED
>>153913796Aw yeah take me back to the last time dc was good
>>153913796Well I guess the anon from earlier is going go get his wish. Prime's crimes are something a lot of people have issue with so I'm genuinely quite curious as to how they're going to handle this. As someone who isn't too familiar with modern comics how is infinite crisis thought of in retrospect by like writers and such?
>>153913471wait, wasn't he in a time-trapper bubble or some shit? when was he actually back on his earth?
>>153913630>HEY KIDS! COMICS!Well it is an intentional homage.
>>153913605Yes, Fuck Demons.
>>153913691Why do all Kriggers have cellphones when they only speak incomprehensible gibberish. (Apologies for not looking up the A Wyatt Mann cartoon.)
>>153913691Exploitable
>>153913419Crazy how pantha never came back from this
>>153913770MANCHESTERRRRRR!
>>153913580Right about here >>153913796
>>153913865she did come back to life at some pointI think the only outstanding dead people are wildabeast, that one karate guy and nameless Green lanterns
>>153913744I always wondered what Garth Ennis thought of Manchester Black since he seems so much like the kind of character he'd write
Prime is selling more than Deadpool.
>>153913811Maybe that's why he's so gung-ho about killing demons
>>153913716wonder if they will change the ad for the trade
>>153913653I like baddies with with freckles, red hair and green eyes. This comic was fun.
>>153913691>Balldropped.
>>153913419>"maimed a few lame titans">"killed a bunch of random GLs"So I think the idea is SBP believes that just because he's on a redemption arc in the current storyline means he can basically ignore the things he actually did. He keeps referencing it after all while most people around him still seem generally upset about it.
>>153913796Thanks for the storytime.Next time ditch the commentary and spoiler the big reveal pages.
>>153913911Only because Marvel is being run into the ground by a fat weeabonese imbecile.
>>153913403Oh hey, they are remembering his resistance to magic.Wonder why that's a thing, with the Kryptonite, his Krypton was basically evaporated, so there was no debris to become Kryptonite, but what about magic? That's supposed to mess with the laws of reality, how is Prime immune?
>>153913968But even in this issue Witchfire talks about coming back to life/everything getting reconstructed multiple times. He could probably just rez them and it's hunky doryhonestly this whole morality bit really does fall flat when we know the death/resurrection comic tropes are just going to continue diluting any weight a death or murder might actually have. Anyone trying to do so is immediately undercut by another writer pulling the same shit
>>153914045I think it was said that in Prime world (our world) there was no magic period, so he can't be affected by something that for him doesn't exist.
>>153914022>>153913796Nah OP keep the commentary. But do spoiler the big reveal pages.
>>153913471>writeCan't you just fly?
>>153914039More like its run by The cult of Brevoort and omdfags, since DC is ran by weebs and doing great.
This is really bad. Holy fuck.
>>153913497Someone said it bestIf Peter and MJ were to break up, why couldn't they just divorce like normal people and the editorial not resort to the contrived fuckery that is OMD?>>153913830Was Sentry killing Ares seen as controversial back then?
>>153913723Zatanna did it better>>153913744Huh, was Manchester always shirtless?
>>153913368>>153913566Well, he is the type of nerd to unironically have a catchphrase like that.
>>153913437With this series and supergirl, artists have been having fun putting the super family in goth clothes in recent times. I approve.
>>153913331Are we getting the rest of the dc storytimes and energon universe too or /co/ really depended on one anon without a GPU for god knows when to do it?
>>153913653>>153913691>SBP gets cockblocked by meta-bullshittruly the worst thing Manchester Black has ever done
>>153914151They aren't together anymore, so it would probably be too invasive for him to just pop up now. Prime is learning boundaries, give him some credit.
>>153914171Divorce would age Peter too much, BND loyalists want to be eternal teenagers.
>>153914229post goth supergirl pls
>>153913716can someone make an exploitable?
>>153913614Magic straight from the womb, powerful stuff.
>>153913691Oh no, we are going full gwenpool here.
>>153913566He said the thing!>the thing they definitely were the ones actually pushing
>>153914171>Was Sentry killing Ares seen as controversial back then?I don't know if controversial but it wasn't that well received. It was the cherry on top of the Siege turd.
>>153914296I'm just gonna spoonfeed you this one time, open wide now!
>>153914373>those thighs i kneel. thanks anon
>>153914373God bless campbell and his love for thicc goth girls
>>153914189Weirdly enough yeah, that Union Jack was always meant to be a full body tattoo Unironic wanker behavior.
>>153913968>>153914056I'm just gonna note that we still treat attempted murder as morally wrong even if the person wasn't actually killed.
>>153913497Prime isn't supposed to be a comic book character. Spider-Man is. why should Spidey, a comic character, be bound towards "realism"?
>>153914171>Was Sentry killing Ares seen as controversial back then?It was viewed as an example of capeshit not knowing what its audience was anymore since Sentry/The Void was allowed to rip Ares in half and make his insides into outsides but Venom saying "Shit" in reaction is too much.
>>153914527Anon pls, kids could be reading that...
I like it, thanks OP.
>>153913490>EncantadoraI'm gonna cum
>>153914229>>153913674Punk isn't goth. Not everyone who wears dark makeup is a fucking goth.
This should've been Conner.
>>153913471>Broke upFuck you Williamson. Seriously like wtf do those people care about character consistency or do they just like Prime for power scaling?
>>153915037This is meant to be an isekai so I'm guessing the latter.
>>153915037At least he didn't kill her this time like he didn't after final crisis
>>153914995Konsisters...
>>153914995He is in Supergirl annoying his half sister
>>153915247I'm still confused as to what point Prime was back on Earth-Prime. After his first little redemption arc seems like that'd be and the time for his and Laurie's break-up cause before she was just dead, but at some point he was time-trapper'd in a pocket dimension. When was that?
>>153914962Potato, pota-toh.
>>153915343He is saying the pocket universe is his home.
>>153913796how come cassie as kon lasso'd up like he's a kindergartener that can't be trusted to not wander off?
>>153915427the first page says he's from ours>>153913353So at what point was prime actually back on Earth-Prime?
>>153914508https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQQPNQ0PFSc
>>153915454Yeah hails from. I hail from ohio but now michigan is home. His home is the pocket universe now
>>153915320Frankly I think they put him in Supergirl to make space for SBP.
>>153915535Time trapper isn't known for keeping pocket dimensions that he's made for Superboys around for very long
>>153915470That's exactly what I was thinking of.
>>153913796>the chance to experience Infinite Crisis once againThat is the opposite of nostalgic, it's nonstolgic.Whatever people feel about his actions, Prime was right in his motives, time has seen that vindicated, the fact he's still culpable while the Empty Hand hides from any reinforces it.
>>153915535His home isn't the Pocket Universe, it was just a hiding place, one that has a Smallville, which is something Prime's Earth doesn't have.
>>153915454He went back at the end of his Death Metal one-shot. Time Trapper recruited him off-panel.
>>153915693>Time Trapper recruited him off-panel.that it though, he didn't recruit Prime, he stuck Prime in a pocket dimension and took him back out when the situation called for it. Prime's first appearance back with Superman he explains all this
>>153914962And this is clearly goth.Not enough color, not enough denim, not enough band patches for it to be punk.
>>153913562That bottom right panel looks familiar.
>>153915669It's been his home ever since death metal thougheversobeitassuch
>>153915959wouldn't Laurie just be dead, then? Time Trapper popped the fake-Superboy one in Post-Crisis Legion, why would he keep this one around? "Oh yeah, gotta have SBP's gf around for the future of the mutilverse"?
>>153914527All comics are still like that. You'd have to ask the EiCs why they think gory violence is a-okay but swearing isn't. >>153915037Sometimes people will break up.Williamson just wants Prime free to get with Witchfire without guilt and doing a metacommentary on certain forever couples in comics.
>>153913691 HOT a What Baabhabhiat
>>153915744>this is clearly goth.It isn't
>>153915959He clearly went back to Pre-Crisis Earth-Prime at the end of the Death Metal one-shot, but I am starting to get the feeling that Joshua Williamson didn't read that issue or didn't care.
>>153916028Is pretty much "life is life, comics are comics, grow up and do not project your life and ruin people's lives in comics"
>>153916010EX-gfneed to make room for the new hotness
>>153916028>Williamson just wants Prime freeWilliamson wants to write a Deadpool like character, "Prime" has been off character ever since he came back and for what? Lowest common denominator fan service for people that don't give a shit about his character and just like him for being "OP" (If we shut down our brains and forget that Prime only won against other Kryptonian level characters because of plot convince)
>>153916082He's directly following up on what happened in that issue. Very easy to get small details wrong though.
>>153916155I mean it's obvious this is an act prime is putting on so he doesn't dwell on all the horrible stuff he has done.
>>153916155Prime has been "off character" ever since Johns made him a villain in Infinite Crisis. And then Johns himself gave him a redemption arc a few years ago.
>>153916181Prime didn't have a character before that
>>153916181Fair enough but this Prime isn't consistent with neither the pre crisis nor post crisis version of the character
>>153916178That’s obviously what they’ll say for dramapoints but that’s not how it’s written like. He doesn’t have lapses of guilt, unwanted thoughts or act like this superficially, he’s just officially zesty and quirky 24/7.They do the same thing with Deadpool, and every Deadpool knockoff Cosmic Ghost Rider. Write them like this unironically, then say “but ackshually it’s all an act cause i’m le traumatised by my bad childhood” cause that’s popular with dramaqueens, but then never write it as though it’s just a denial.
>>153913331Prime covers for this issueSuperman #38 Cover B W. Scott Forbes VariantSuperman #38 Cover C Cian Tormey VariantSuperman #38 Cover D Davide Paratore VariantSuperman #38 Cover E Tirso Cons VariantSuperman #38 Cover F Daniele Di Nicuolo DC X Sonic VariantSuperman #38 Cover G John Giang AAPI Heritage Month Variant>SUPERBOY-PRIME VERSUS… DC COMICS? Superboy-Prime loves comics. He's a Wednesday Warrior and has read a lot of continuity. But a classic Superman villain has banished Prime into different issues he hasn't read! Get ready for a wild ride across the DC Universe as Prime is dragged kicking and screaming across past events, lost reboots, relaunches, and restarts! If he doesn't find his way back to Metropolis, he will be lost forever!LEGACY #882>SUPERBOY-PRIME VS. MANCHESTER BLACK FOR THE SOUL OF DC COMICS! The villainous Manchester Black demands to be resurrected and thinks Superboy-Prime knows how to give him his life back. But it's more than that. Manchester Black wants to escape the world of comics and come to our world! It's meta versus meta! If Prime survives, he will still have to deal with members of the Super-Family, who are not happy he wants to be Superman! This all builds up to next month's Superman blockbuster summer story!LEGACY #883>KINGDOM OF ZOD: PART FOUR! SUPERMAN VERSUS ZOD! An epic battle of power and revenge across the Kryptonite Kingdom! An eye for an eye! But Superboy-Prime joins the fight, hoping to show the returning Superman how much he's changed! With a shock ending that will change the Kingdom of Zod and the DC Universe forever!
>>153916246>He doesn’t have lapses of guilt, unwanted thoughts Prime's intrusive thoughts has been a running bit throughout the run so far
>>153916181Him being a villain least made sense, his happy ending from CoIE was literally Sarte's No exit and naturally would drive anyone crazy.
>>153916246>He doesn’t have lapses of guilt, unwanted thoughts or act like this superficially, he’s just officially zesty and quirky 24/7.Anon every time he has a vision of how he used to be or him acting like that again he freaks out. This issue ended with him being back during infinite crisis and freaking out. You can literally just read the last few pages.
>>153916220Yes he did, it's right there in DC Comics Presents #87 and the final issues of Crisis on Infinite Earths.
>>153916248so endgame of all this is Williamson doing Prime with the Legion, right? wonder how they're gonna spin that
>>153916264they keep tossing him in sensory deprivation prisons too, in the middle of a red sun, whatever the fuck happened in the speed force, the source wall; no wonder he went violently insane for a bit there
>>153916285funny that Infinite Crisis was like Prime's fifth appearance ever across 20 years
>>153916302Don't forget how he somehow went from the source wall to being trapped in a magic prison
>>153916240Well yeah, after nearly 20 years the post-crisis version realized it was time to grow up a bit.
>>153916302But that doesn't mean he needs or even deserves a redemption arc.
>>153916286We will see in action 1000 which should be superman saving the legion(s)?
>>153916327And then he broke up with his gf and became reddit incarnate
>>153916332did a one-off character in COIE deserve to return decades later as an event villain that murdered everyone?
>>153916268>he freaks outWow must be tough...lol jk >>153916246Is still right, him "freaking out" is just dramapoints meant to reframe his crimes to be about him and not the people he victimize.
>>153916363But enough about pariah
>>153916380Man they really did just do a Superboy Prime but badly on Pariah.
>>153913331Thanks for the storytime
>>153916363Does he deserve it? Weird way of framing but no I guess if you're gonna frame it like that then no he doesn't deserve. But that doesn't mean he gets to get a refund and become redeemed from it.
>>153913368Me in the back desu>>153913387I want her to be my master
>>153916375That's the point. He is doing everything he can to avoid actually thinking about all he has done. It's why he keeps screaming in redeemed at everyone. He is trying to avoid actually having to confront and reflect on what he did. He tries to crack jokes and keep things light and when stressed he just goes on about how it wasn't his fault and they are alive again and it was an accident. He is doing anything to not face what he did and he is finally being forced to do so now.
>>153916268It ends with him being psychically transported back there by a telepath and then being sad only when in the middle of it.That’s not the same as being in denial or having lapses of guilt. That’d be like a depressing moodswing to recognising how shitty he is when in private or on a less than perfect day, since copes are only ever surface-deep. Even the most psychotic narcissists have off-days and off-hours when they’re self-aware.But you know immediately after this he’s gonna keep being Reddit incarnate 24/7 because that isn’t a denial or pretend, it’s just his default true intended state.
>>153913471Do all men look this good in mascara or just Prime?
>>153916459You can say it make sense for SBP trying to avoid the unavoidable but that doesn't answer why anyone else would.When Ma Kent tell Power Girl to cut him some slack? That doesn't make sense.
>everyone LOVES Superboy-Primewhat went right?
>>153916484I don't think you're arguing in good faith. Every single example is immediately dismissed as "dramapoints" or "Well he didn't actually mean that"Next issue is going to be exactly about him killing people in infinite crisis, if you take nothing away from it that's really more on you
>>153916545even Superman killed the phantom zone criminals, it's all good
>>153916484>he’s gonna keep being Reddit incarnate 24/7 because that isn’t a denial or pretend, it’s just his default true intended state.Idk I think it's pretty obvious how hard he pivits to it immediately after he loses it that it's an act
>>153916552And he's just going to be redditpool immediately after
>>153916578Pivots to it when? Where? I’ve been reading this slop since Omega Legion and even when pretending to be evil again he still talks and acts like a quirky catty gayboy.
>>153916552He effectively doesn't care! He's trying to get away with his crime Scot-free and live a normal life.
>>153916552Your only example of him acting guilty is him literally being transported back to IC. That’s not a lapse or a cope at all, it’s just 24/7 redditery, next issue will only be a cheap excuse of it being cause he’s “le sad ackshually” but never acting that way in the rest of thhe issues.
>>153916608You know how remorseful killers mock the friends and families of their victims right? >lol Karen why u mad at mee >:)>karen why u mad at mee :(
>>153916608When he thought he lost control after beating up ignition or last issue when he had a vision of him killing everyone
>>153916617>>153916651maybe that's the point. He realizes DC is shit again and kills all the D-list shitters and we finally get some good comics again
>>153916657He didn't mock her he was just saying how unfair it was to be watched like a hawk
>>153916275>Superman 3 & Knuckles.I can dig it.
>>153915037So Prime can fuck Witchfire without cheating...
>>153916327Growing up is when you become Deadpool apparently.Never mind that pic is from a comic where they show Prime and Laurie being married.>>153916286>wonder how they're gonna spin thatBy writing them off character and ignore the fact that Prime gleefully killed some Legionnaires who are never coming back
>>153916886>By writing them off character and ignore the fact that Prime gleefully killed some Legionnaires who are never coming backAnd the absolute legion killed the rest. Considering only prime came back during k.o. I'm not expecting anyone else survived. Superman is probably gonna bring them all back into some mega merged legion using his king omega powers
>>153916886wait really? I thought he said she’s in college
>>153914995Yeah, it's dumb to have Superman's replacement be a largely forgotten meme character that they had to dig out from the archives instead of a well established one people actually like such as Conner.
>>153916886>Never mind that pic is from a comic where they show Prime and Laurie being married.no it's not, and no they didn't
>>153916886They weren't married. He found himself transported back home and got a Mulligan where no one knew what he had done in comics like they had before.
>>153916959so how did they know that the comics were exactly what was going on with Prime at the time, seems like a massive leap unless someone told them directly it was true
>>153916940A largely forgotten meme character that somehow has tonnes of baggage.
>>153916944They did show them married in Death Metal, though. They even had Superbaby-Prime together.
>>153916992Because he was missing and then comes back with the same scar prime in the comics had
>>153917010*in the Death Metal one-shot.
>>153916959That's Legion of 3 worlds. In Death Metal Secret Origins Prime sees a future where him and Laurie are together.
>>153917010That's a glimpse at a possible future that may still happen.
>>153917010That was a vision of a perfect world. That prime destroyed to hurt batkek
>>153917010Wasn't that meant to be like a possible future?Basically what Batkek would end up offering to Prime.
>>153917026Yeah, his status quo was restored. He didn't suddenly leap ahead into a future.
>>153917027>a possible future that may still happen.Not anymore thanks to Williamson.
>>153917033I think this world with Kal-L was what Batkek offered him, not the Prime/Laurie world.
>>153917014That's still a massive leap in logic to make. Do they take every cosplayer they see as the actual character?
>>153917038>Instead of being stuck in a boring world where a pedophile runs america, he gets to bang a hot redheaded witch and fight villains
>>153916992Because Johns
>>153917038This may shock you to know, but in the real world, people sometimes do break up and then get back together later.
>>153917045He sees multiple futures the one with Laurie was when he thought about taking batkeks power for himself before he decides to destroy it
>>153917038All he has to do is go back home and re-connect with Laurie some time in the future. The entire history of the DC Universe shows that anything can change on a dime.
>>153917082Why would he do that when he has a hot witch waifu
>>153916992Prime would break a character's arm off and say things like "Make a wish Laurie!" assuming she was reading it.
>>153915454>the first page says he's from oursYeah noWe live in E0. E′ (Earth-Prime) is our shadow which is permeable to all the other dimensions like Earth-1, Earth-616, whatever number is the main Invincible timeline, etc. We could theorize Gwen Poole is from E′ as well, although her ability to perceive 616 both as a member and an observer able to traverse panels and pages is atypical.If E′ is the actual reality, then our E0 is the shadow of E′, making our creative process including the happy accidents and external forces all a lie.
>>153917121E0 is the main dcuPrime is from earth -33 formerly earth prime
>>153917101That line was part of a flashback to her birthday on the next pageI know this because Risk getting de-Risked twice is one of Prime's best moments
>>153917061>he gets to bang a hot redheaded witch and fight villainsYou're the lowest common denominator I was referring to. Earth Prime wasn't even supposed to be the real world when it originally debuted, it was to Earth One what Earth Two was to Earth One, a world that exists in the comics, they were still aliens on Earth Prime. Prime himself was from Krypton, the first team-up between Superman and Superboy Prime is to stop an alien invasion.
>>153917067This may shock but Prime isn't a real person and in the real world some people end up marrying the person they met in high school.
>>153917162Except it was our world it had the real artists and writers for dc as characters
>>153917204>Except it was our world it had the real artists and writers for dc as charactersDidn't know Kryptonians were real anon.How about you actually go read is introduction comic where there is no reference to the writers or the creators?
>>153913816DC is great right now
>>153917249How about you go read the silver age dc stories with earth prime
>>153917197Superman and Lois were broken up in the beginning of the issue they got married in. It's not really that big a deal
>>153913700Yeah, note the different color for the word
>>153913691>The Decoded Text>When you untangle the interleaved letters, the text reveals itself to be a repeating loop of two distinct things: a standard keyboard mash / letter progression and a highly aggressive, classic Superboy Prime rant.>It breaks down into variations of:>"YOU ALL HAVE DESTROYED EVERYTHING... I WILL KILL YOU... KILL YOU ALL..." > mixed with chunks of "THE THE THE UNHOLY..." and standard "ASDFGHJKL" / "QWERTY" row progressions.
>>153917259I read them and Earth Prime was clearly not the real world.
>>153915470damn it anon now got me watching classic clips https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JOqTva4RPI
>>153917299I'm not sure why this is such a sticking point for you. Earth-Prime was just an excuse to have the writers fart around with the Superheroes, and as Maggin wrote a lot of them, he wrote SBP as being from there as a goodbye to the character as Post-Crisis Superman would have no stage of being Superboy.Do you think it doesn't count unless the writers kept some kind of kayfabe of the Earth Prime stories happening in real life?
>>153917283>How the Cipher Works (The Pattern)>The text is constructed by taking standard text and reading it in a specific skip-pattern (likely generated by a modern comic letterer using a custom font scramble or an automated placeholder script).>You can spot the underlying English words hiding in plain sight by isolating specific letter groups:"THE TFA UNHOLBERGAINSTIFREBEW..." If you look at the middle block, you can clearly see the words "THE", "UNHOLY", "AGAINST", and "FOR" smashed together with keyboard walks (like ASDF and QWERTY sequences reversed or shifted).>The Keyboard Walks: Look at strings like YAHAN BETAHOEH HABABT BB RYG AGDGDGD YYYA. This is a classic "mashing the middle row of the keyboard" (A, S, D, F, G, H) combined with a rhythmic substitution.>The Loop: Notice that the entire second half of the speech bubble (GHA MO LOG DOC DE LKWCHILQ...) is an exact copy-paste repetition of the first three lines. The letterer simply duplicated the text block to fill the massive speech bubble.
>>153913911Deadpool has a billion dollar movie.
>>153917394>Context of the Rant>Given that this is Superboy Prime (complete with his classic Sinestro Corps / Anti-Monitor armor modifications), his dialogue in these panels almost always consists of him screaming about how the DC Universe is "ruined," whining about his lost Earth-Prime, and threatening to kill everyone.>The letterer used a systematic transposition macro to turn his dialogue into a chaotic alien/cosmic static effect, but the repeating structure shows it was built out of a few lines of angry typing and keyboard mashing!
>>153917410That's depressing
>>153913419I really feel that more weight should be given to the fact that he is responsible doe the death of the original Superman
>>153917387>NYC covers where Gotham should beBy the time this was printed West End Games hadn't cemented Gotham as replacing Trenton, NJ>Metropolis is nowhere to be seen! JLA/Avengers #2 establishes the equivalent location is an uninhabited strip of I-95 (in Delaware) too small to hold Metropolis, leading Superman to conclude the DC earth is larger. >Boston suburbs cover Star CityPre-Crisis, SC was a New England coastal town but afterward it's a stand-in for Seattle (despite its neighborhoods all being Chicago's). This may be the last comic book to ever locate SC in New England.Many DC cities Pre-Crisis were obvious renames of real US cities (Ivy Town for New Haven, Keystone City for Philadelphia, etc.).Gotham was a mess because it was initially NYC for the first 3 issues before being renamed in #4 but they'd already shown the Statue of Liberty in the harbor, handwaving it as the Statue of Freedom then later the Statue of Justice. The problem West End Games had to resolve was how Superman and Batman lived in separate cities that were still within driving distance of NYC, DC, Philadelphia and each other, so that's how Metropolis ended up in Delaware and Gotham replaced Trenton.The latter caused problems when (typically British) writers kept threatening criminals with the death penalty where NJ famously abolished it At one point in the early 2000s, a comic book writer tried to establish Gotham's area code as the unused 928 – a month later it got assigned to northern Arizona which was pretty funny to those of us in Flagstaff.
>>153916546Making him a character enjoying the fact he's in the DCU instead of a strawman meant to represent angry comic book fans wishing things were they way they used to be.
>>153917394>>153917411>>153917283That's a cool detail, anon, I didn't catch that. SBP might be deliberately suppressing his OG rage and bitterness here. I also think he actually did kill Ignition back there, it just got retconned somehow. Considering the weird villains (Ignition, those "dark energy" demons) he's had to fight so far I wonder if a part of it will be him realizing he's having villains thrown at him that don't quite fit the story. It feels a bit monster-of-the-day and I don't know if that's purposeful or not.
>>153916546he's a fun character and always has been, he's better as a good guy. this is my favorite comic RN.
>>153917915>I didn't catch thatNeither did I, I just dropped the page into Gemini and said "decrypt this assuming it's just a transposition cipher" and it spit out the rest
>>153913826the bubble was just so Prime had a place to meet Superman it wasn't his reality
>>153913744>Lets redeem Prime by assasinating Manchister Black's characterGreat job Williamson
>>153918653Manchester has always been a piece of shit.
>>153913796>>153915436It's an almost 1 to 1 recreation of Infinite Crisis, Cassie is helping Kon.
>>153915427wrong
>>153918653The anons sperging over Prime for weeks are now Manchester Black's greatest warriors. Bleak.
>>153918680weird that the only ones missing are Duela Dent and Pantha
>>153913691Cucked by editorial. A tale as old as time.
>>153918660>>153918722He reddemed himself by sacrificing his life and now he is evil cuz reasons. He wasn't even a bad guy originally just a critique of the edgy anti hero of the early 2000s
>>153918829>It's okay when Manchester Black does it!
>>153918840Does what? kill villains like most DC heroes post 9/11?
>>153918829His creator Joe Kelly definitely thought of him as a bad guy.
>>153918918And if you read the story you know that he blows himself up after that realization
>>153913614>sex
>>153916499If drawn by Mora, then all men do.
>>153915436Because Conner has a bondage fetish.
>>153914045Everyone from Earth-Prime is a low key / subconscious reality warper to begin with.Meta-narrative warps reality on an even deeper level than magic.
>>153918829He got killed by lex because he had been helping superman.
This was a great thread before two goobers started arguing about the same freaking thing in a loop for hours... oh well.Great issue, I love the chemistry between Witchfire and Prime. Also Witchfire is insanely hot. We needed a "new" red head like her in comics.Now, tell me if I am just a powerscaling faggot, but it does not make a lick of sense for me why Manchester Black can do all of this to Prime, even hurt him with a kick (if that wasn't just an illusion). While also apparently being in a weakend state, what? You want to tell me that this random powerful telepath is for some reason stronger than Doctor Manhatten (The Darkest Knight), Monarch (Captain Atom version) and Silver Age Superman? All character who could barely make Prime as much as bleed?
>>153919374I don't see why a Superman-level psychic can't influence SBP.
>>153919927Well because Prime is so far beyond normal Superman that it isn't even funny. Not counting any King...omega..alpha stuff of course.And Saturn Girl amped by Darkside was not able to do anything to him either.
>>153919998Pffft then I guess this is just a shallow powerlevel jerkoff debate then.
>>153919998>Prime is so far beyond normal SupermanPhysically he's actually kind of about the same, he's just more meta-aware, works by Silver Age rules, and has less weaknesses.Now mentally and emotionally, Prime might actually be weaker, Prime is mentally unwell and very prone to losing his cool, I totally get that he has less mental defenses than Clark.But also realistically, the true reason is that we need Prime to have some conflict lmao, he shouldn't be able to just punch his way out of every situation.
>>153919374A telepath is actually a pretty good hard counter to someone from Earth-Prime.How do you beat someone who can rewrite the story they're in on the fly?Control their mind so they're forced to write themselves into a bad situation.
>>153919374fuckin around Prime's head gave him a power up plus he's like a force ghost right now
>>153913723Does DC do this all the time? I remember a few months ago there was a storytime with this happening.
>>153920508Yes anon, every single writer is contractually mandated to have a moment like this in any run they do.
>>153914353damn i forgot about this. i hate how cringe marvel is sometimes. all the edgelord gen-xers were on Marvel in the 00s and 10s.
>>153916275Lmao i am buying this one when i go to the comic shop this Saturday.
>>153920519Sounds cringe. DC deserves whatever corp nonsense it going to happen to it then.
Witchfire is so hot. I'm hoping she's in losh with him. Anyway what's the weakest available threat that can take Prime if he spergs.
>>153913796I know it's just cause it takes place back in Infinite Crisis, but it's nice to see Kon and Cassie looking good again.
This pace is way too fucking slow.It's like ridiculously slow like the writers think this a weekly release on webtoon or something but with even less shit happening.
>>153914353You have to show the full page to see how funny it really is, he presumably says shit before he’s graphically torn in half and THATS censored but not the horrific violence
>>153913796I don't think he deserves it, but knowing what we do now CK should realize he could just tank all this, either they're real and will tire themselves out or they're a hallucination and there's no point. Either way swinging like before will amount to nothing.
>>153919374Prime isn't super tough mentally.
>>153916546Prime Time.
Sex with Witchfire
>>153921117There's only one superhero who specializes in absurdly powerful, meta-referential entities.
>>153913796>>153918680Wow, DC killing it. Think we'll get a new version of THE panel next issue?
>>153913419Willamson, you hack. I know you lurk here. Prime brutally murdered a toddler. Lampshading it doesn't make it less awful.
>>153916546Prime was always great, even in his first appearance in DC Comics Presents. A Superboy from our world who’s a comic fan is just a fun concept.
>>153918344>this is my favorite comic RN.Mine too. It’s really the only ongoing comic I look forward to and read immediately.
>>153919265Correct. And those involved with comics even more so. Prime has all the native Earth-Prime powers in addition to Kryptonian abilities.
>>153916546He's a chud who is a nerd and agrees with a lot of the arguments the old guard has and isn't just shit on (attracts old school comic book fans/"chuds") but he's also handsome with a dark past and looks good in eyeliner(attracts fujos, gays and girls) and he's pretty funny (attracts people who want something light to read) while being deeply flawed and redeeming (attracts Redditor types) There so far isn't really any spiteful attacks on any one viewer or overly politicized shit to latch onto so people are just enjoying themselves mostly.
>>153923312Manchester Black says the exact opposite in this story. Prime is incredibly strong mentally according to him. And it makes sense, given all the inescapable prisons he’s been put in and escaped from. Black just knows how to mess with people’s heads, especually when they have something he can exploit.But I don’t think Black ends this story as a villain. I think SBP helps him and they become friends.
>>153924201I always liked how polite SBP was to Cyborg-Superman, always calling him “Mr. Henshaw.” Somehow it felt right.
>>153914171Because the were never going to break up.
>>153913691>>153913691>NOOOO I DONT WANNA BE IN A CROSSOVER
>>153924898I think he's weird in specific ways. He's pretty easily manipulated it seems and he's always got that psychotic rage bubbling up inside. SBP didn't even seem to notice anything was wrong enough to try and fix it before Black basically finished taking near-complete control. I doubt the traditional Superman would have let it get that far.
When is Williamson going to give us the Prime/Red Hood meeting the internet is claiming for?
>>153915097I use to think Isekai was a power fantasy but what I'm learning it's actually an entitlement fantasy.
I think what I like about Prime the most is that you can only really appreciate him if you've followed DC for some time or at least delved into his multiple older events. He is basically a comic exclusive character, and even surface level DC fans aren't aware of him past "evil superman #32." If you've followed him through the years you know shits good when he drops in.I am loving this run, but I hope they don't overuse him so he retains his significance. They'll probably have to put him away for a few years once they're finished with the storyline so he doesn't grow into a parody of himself.
>>153925148Sadly he's successful enough (Superman #36 is getting a second printing apparently and there's been very little controversy aside from people feeling like he hasn't done enough to redeem himself) that he's probably being milked for a while longer.
>>153914166It really is, like you step back from all the hype and what's actually happening here?>some character who isn't actually Superman dealing with an obscure character who hasn't anything to do with Superman and a Superman villain who is randomly interjected near the end
>>153925008In some ways SBP is naive, but he’s also genre savvy which can allow him to outthink characters, I think that’s what you’re trying to get at. But in terms of willpower and the refusal to collapse in the face of opposition, he’s mentally very strong. I think that’s something common to all versions of Superman, they never quit and fight until they fall.
>>153925303>he's mentally very strongNo he isn't.
>>153925142Why do you feel entitled, anon?
>>153925318You feeling attacked or something?
>>153925148I’m glad I read Superboy-Prime first as a hero. If you were a fan of Prime from before his descent into villain you really felt his fall a lot more rather than him being some random evil Superboy. It also makes his redemption arc mean a lot more, because you’ve seen the character from the beginning in all these different roles.
>>153925311You’re canonically wrong and your attempt at dismissal is unimpressive.
>>153925342???
>>153925375I'm not canonically wrong, Superboy Prime went insane from being stuck in a pocket dimension.
>>153925387Don’t respond to schizos, it only fuels their hallucinations.
>>153925409You’re canonically wrong. Manchester Black literally says in this issue that he’s mentally strong.
>>153925432But I don't care what was stated in this issue because it contradicts what we already know, that Superboy Prime is emotionally and mentally unstable.
>>153925445Mentally strong people can never go nuts due to being locked away from everyone in a place where we don’t even know how their subjective time works? Come on now. It’s okay that you made a mistake, anon. It doesn’t make you a bad person or anything.
>>153925478Mentally strong people don't go on hysterical murder sprees.
>>153925495No one is immune from having a mental breakdown, even the strongest can be brought down. And, arguably, it takes even greater strength than that to not stay down in the muck, to actually face the part of yourself that did those things.
>>153925148>>153925255He's set to appear in the Zod crossover starting in August, so he's sticking around for a while longer
>>153925551Which he is not doing.
It’s amazing how many replies these Superboy-Prime threads get. Bro is definitely getting an ongoing or series of minis after this story is over.
>>153913331Wait hold on, is that Witchfire from the Power Company or some new character with the same name?
>>153925814>>153913403>>153913451That is, in fact, Witchfire from The Power Company (Her friends call her Rebecca).
>>153925871Cool.I greatly prefer it when writers dig up old characters for bit parts instead of inventing new throwaway ones.
>>153925583They really deported Kenan and the twins
>>153924091Nobody cares about Ambush Bug tho
i like hot people in comics so much
>>153913796Damn…. I guess next month we’ll see how he actually handles his past, I hope it’s one of his more sincere moments and we can let the jokes die just a tad bit, this is pretty serious for his character arc I guess
>>153913451It's been awhile since I read the Power Company, so many there's a reason for that shot of her on a motorcycle aside from it being super fucking hot.
>>153913490>upside downUh-oh
>>153913757Hey is Manchest looking at us in the third panel there?
>>153917152Honestly, even then, and still now after all these years, what exactly did Risk think was going to happen here?
>>153926378He suggests he gained 4th wall awareness and interaction from hibernating in SBP's mind, so yeah.It really should raise a lot of questions for a heavy thinker like him around the state of things, but I guess you could wave it that he's too dead to be concerned.
>>153913796There's some pretty good Meta Commentary in the fact that there's a number of comments talking about how happy this page makes them, which is right after a page where Manchester Black turns to the camera and goes "this is what you wanted right, you sick fucks."
Clarks seem to naturally attract redheads>Superman: Lana/Maxima>Conner: Knockout>Prime: Witchfire
>>153916546Oldies have nostalgia for him because they grew up during the prime time crisis. Well established to the newbies because he's always gonna be relevant as one of the most powerful versions of Superman + Crisis Throw in ever since he returned he's had great screentime and even clowned on characters people were being fatigued of at the time like Batkek, it was a recipe for success.
>>153925631Prime is the people's hero.
>>153919265Prime never used those abilities against the Anti Monitor because...?>>153919374>You want to tell me that this random powerful telepath is for some reason stronger than Doctor Manhatten (The Darkest Knight), Monarch (Captain Atom version) and Silver Age Superman? All character who could barely make Prime as much as bleed?Superboy and Krypto made him bleed in Infinite Crisis. In Legion of 3 worlds Conner scarred him with heat vision. Sinestro corps war Superman, Supergirl and Powergirl overpowered him and hurt him. The only reason he didn't die against Monarch was plot armour>>153919998>Well because Prime is so far beyond normal Superman that it isn't even funny.He isn't or at least it used to be that way before Williamson decided to throw away continuity
>>153927574>Prime never used those abilities against the Anti Monitor because...?He never realized he had them. He's only ever tapped into those powers on a subconscious level.It's probably for the best that it stays that way. Past individuals who became aware of that power were easily corrupted by it, such as Cary Bates and Ultra Comics.
>>153913796>Bette, Argent, Pantha, TerraI wanna see Mora do a Titans event. One like Technis Imperative that celebrates the deep roster.
>>153926792>Conner: KnockoutThat was so fucking hot at the time
>>153913968Eh, he paid more than others.Like being in the source wall , the whole blackest night tie in, and his sacrifice in Death metal
>>153913542I gave to Williamson that at least is using the rogue gallery.Most writers decide to only focus on Zod/Luthor and sometimes brainiac when superman has a good cast of villains.
>>153928801That doesn't count towards the redemption arc.
>>153927883You are reading too much into it, the real explanation is that editorial ignored or forget about this concept, Bates was just a special case.Ultraa's powers had nothing to do reality manipulation he was the original Superman from Earth Prime before Prime was created.
>>153929305>>153928801The sacrifice was the start of it. Nobody knew he meta-punched Batkek, and the other stuff (like being trapped in the Source Wall) was him just being an outright villain and refusing to reform.
>>153914056Thing is that none of the major characters he killed were brought back, Williamson willfully ignores that some of the Legion members like Kinetix are never coming back.If you want to write a proper redemption arc have Prime going through a journey were he tries to find a way to resurrect all the people he killed. The Deadpool act just isn't convincing, the other characters are more than justified to hate him
>>153929671What sacrifice?I've noticed how you constantly talk about these thing but you never post them.This breaks the entire storytelling rule of showing, not telling.
>>153929402Not the pre-crisis Ultraa, Ultra Comics from Multiversity. The living comic book who used his meta-narrative powers to fight cosmic horrors. At least before he became one himself.That's also what the whole "SBP retconning shit by punching the borders of the comic book" thing was all about, and that gets referenced in this very issue.
>>153913368>>153913566https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rM1IZI0VX1A
>>153927262Correct.
>>153930573>That's also what the whole "SBP retconning shit by punching the borders of the comic book" thing was all aboutNo, that was Alexander Luthor's doing.
>>153913419Wrong symbol for Earth-2 Kal-L
>>153917387RFK...
>>153933618Also that punch never happened, Supergramps was the one that punched him
>>153927262that's one sexy wonder woman on that page
>>153933545Alex just tricked him into doing it, the retcon punch was all Prime
>>153925910Kenan never should've joined the Super-Family, he has a whole thing going on in China, you don't see Chinese Bat-Man hanging out with Bruce.The Twins are just extremely uninteresting to anyone that isn't PKJ, he's the only one who cares about them.They were made to replace Jon as the kids of the family, but they're such a superficial addition that they barely do anything, they're supposed to be Clark and Lois's adopted kids, but writers act like Jon is their only kid, and he's not even a kid anymore, he's a grown ass man that was about to move to a whole different city at some point.
He's on his way to atone, he's on his way to success!But he has to save the day, he's got to be the best!He's the Superman-to-be and he's, totally->You know it's all about me!>Exactly!
>>153936454aged up and forgotten, the fate of all superkidsalso it's crazy that Clark pawning Kara off to an orphanage is still canon even all this Super-family stuff
>>153913331>boob window Niceeee
All this Superboy Prime glazing reminds me of Tom King fanboys.
>>153925631He's gonna join the legion
>>153929698The legion members he killed will probably be reasurected when superman resurrects/merges the other legions
>>153939819It was a missed opportunity not to put him in the Legion after COIE.
>>153941040It really would have solved a lot of problems. Just say superboy decided to hang with the legion instead of going with an old couple and a man child
>>153913716excellent
>>153929698>If you want to write a proper redemption arc have Prime going through a journey were he tries to find a way to resurrect all the people he killed.Williamson is going to have to make people give a shit about the characters Prime killed if the redemption shit is honest. It undermines the arc if he just drops a lame Deadpool-ripoff joke about it being OK to murder "unimportant" people. They've shown Pantha's death in gruesome detail twice, they have to finally properly atone for it if Williamson wants me to buy all the shit about redemption and Prime being a true good guy now.
>>153943043>they have to finally properly atone for itJohns and Didio?
>>153943066Williamson & Mora apparently volunteered in their place by doing this whole thing.
>>153943095Johns kicked off Prime's redemption
>>153943174Johns should've done more then, but I guess he couldn't be bothered to do it before he left DC.Williamson and Mora decided to explicitly portray Pantha's death, even having something set back in Infinite Crisis, so now they have to deal with it.
>>153943253Pantha's already come back to life
>>153943299They're doing meta-commentary on Infinite Crisis and having Prime coming to terms with what he's done, that he can't write mass murder off just because he thinks someone is lame. So they would have to reconcile with that specific Pantha.Plus Pantha returning just to be immediately sidelined as pregnant is underwhelming.
