>>153916786
Cock Striker?
>If your only selling points is the race of the author then I am afraid it isn't that interesting in the first place
True, more so when the authors/distributors try to market it as a "manga".

>>153916786
Rename it to Cock Stroker and make it a NSFW comic. Unironically that would make it sell significantly more.

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>>153916786
I took a look and at least it's a real comic. Link here if people want to see the first three chapters:
>https://pilotmanga.com/series/clock-striker/
It seems pretty bog standard shonen manga fare. A kid with a lot of potential who gets no respect finally gets a break and chases her dreams. Not really my thing but it seems passable. Now the marketing tricks are where this seems shady.

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I took a look through desu and found some old halfhearted attempts to shill (or troll?) across boards like on /a/. This image caught my attention because it stinks like an attempt to game Amazon product categories to give the impression that this was really popular in Japan. I assume this is the type of screenshot that would get passed around on Twitter to fool people. Anyway the point is watch out if someone resorts to cheap tricks to "prove" something is manga rather than manga inspired.

>>153917965
Did this fag get advice from the Kamen America team in how to poorly disguise your own shilling?

>>153916786
Why don’t the black community supports this?

>>153916786
This is the first time I've seen it. Please post screenshots and talk about the plot.

>>153916786
I imagine this is one of those fucked cases where the comic doesn't have a real home anywhere. It's not a manga so it's not /a/ but it's aping manga so it's not that welcome on /co/ and that sentiment is shared on the comic and manga sites too. It's fucked. Probably won't get any better unless it gets a show or something.

>>153917965
I didn't realize how easy it was to game the system there.

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>>153917682
>>153920462
I'm more interested on the 'magazine' that publishes it.
Who reads them? Who buys them? Apparently they been around since 2013. I mean,more power to them, and i guess it's neat these creators have their own space, but still, how are they still around?

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>>153922119
You raise a good point too. I've heard of this magazine or whatever it is but I've only ever seen Clock Striker mentioned. And it's usually just the picture of the first volume cover. I have never seen anyone post anything for any of the other series in their lineup. Genuinely no idea how they have the budget to be publishing comics for that long without any of their series having an online presence.

>>153922186
Who would have thought Riley would get his own spinoff.

>>153916786
why do blacks always appropriate japanese culture? Why don't they use american or even african drawing styles/techniques.

>>153922946
>only backs appropriate Japanese culture
Anon, I get it, 4chan is alt right. We have to hate ze blacks because it is based and what our corporate capitalist overlords tell us to do. I get it. I really do. You wanna fit in. HOWEVER! Saying ONLY BLACKS do it is disingenuous statement at best. What is Manhwa? Shitty Manga rip-offs done by South Koreans. What is Manhua? Shitty manga rip-offs done by China. Even the French and Hollywood are stealing animation technique from Japan for their new animated movies. Disney tried to aquire distribution rights for anime. Etc. Japan has been a bitch because of MULTIPLE foreign countries stealing their shit. It's not just simply "the blacks". Anime is this massive multi-cultural success. Everyone wants what Japan has. Soon, it may not even just be those people. You have a generation of high-caste Indian nepo babies getting addicted to anime. They may use their parents money to also steal from the Japs one day. The point is, the whole world wants to rob what Japan has. You yourself, putting Japan on such a high pedestal, are part of the problem. You have a desire and other people have to make money from your desire. This leads us to the current state of why things are the way that they are. Everything you say "Japan good", there is someone else seeing that and rubbing their hands together; looking to make the Japwank their wank...

>>153916786
all I know about this is that the creator retweeted foot fetish art of the main character

>>153916786
I just finished reading Volume 3. It's got an interesting world with a lost technology angle, but it's really awkwardly paced. The recent volume has to have pages at the end of each chapter explaining the technology because the story can't explain it naturally.

And for the record I don't give a shit about the creative team. The art is fun and the main reason I've picked it up.

>>153923674
Where you reading it?

>>153923776
bookstores

>>153922946
Because j pop took their culture

>>153916786
My library has Clock Striker 1. And it's currently checked out, so someone is reading it. Even at the library, I couldn't make it through volume 1.

The art style is good, it looks like One Piece. The world building looks fairly generic though. It looks like a typical Harry Potter style school based comic, just about technology smithing.

I kind of read enogh of this premise really. Typical shonen school manga. The only selling point of the comic is "the first manga with a black female lead" OK... so what?

I'd be more interested in Amerimanga if it were more based around personal stories and set in places based around where the author actually lived. I don't want to see Amerimanga if it is just set in Japan or a generic feeling tech school.

>>153916786
Oh fuck.
I live in the general area they're based off (Raleigh) and these guys shill their garbage in every fucking convention. I read some of it and it's just bog standard attempt battle shonen. Nothing interesting, and it's weak even on its own merits. They really seethe when you call it OEL BTW, or imply that it's not actual manga.
I prefer the local zine/indie comix scene, even if it's pozzed to high heaven.

>>153916786
>nigslop
Hard pass. Blacks will never be real Asians or Japanese. Fuck off.

>>153924167
https://www.saturday-am.com/series/

None of this stuff looks very good really. It mostly looks like black wannabee Shonen manga slop.

The best one there looks to be Gunhild because it's in color and has a fairly unique art style that doesn't look to be imitating manga.

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>>153924723
>>153924167
Something I've noticed about "American Manga" is that nearly EVERY single example has the same core issues:

>painfully derivative of the author's favorite shonen/seinen manga and the trends they were chasing (without having the same appeal that brought them success)
>the author doesn't read enough books, play enough games, listen to enough music, or watch enough movies (the only clear influences are popular manga...which makes them no different than the slop that gets easily forgotten in Japan)
>absolutely zero implementation of Kishotenketsu
>the issues are compiled and created to fit the graphic novel pipeline and not the manga-to-anime one (which means that it takes YEARS to come out and is awkwardly fucking paced)
>really shitty-sounding titles
>the author has barely made anything professional before making this (so it understandably sucks)
>no real influence from Japanese culture (or East Asian at all) outside of manga, the lack of Buddhist influence is apparent

If you're reading this, Cory, I hope you never make another "manga" again.

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>>153924907
I personally blame RWBY for starting this trend of hacks thinking that they can make it big if they just ape their favorite Japanese pop fiction as their first creative project. You cannot unless you're:

>stupidly lucky
>well-connected
>willing to work yourself into an early grave (RIP Monty)
>well-read (unless you're okay with the writing sucking ass, then that's fine)
>already have a following willing to support you AND create fan content (otherwise your IP's long-term health is basically dead in the water: if there's no fujos or fanfiction culture, it's dead - see Expedition 33 for an example of what I'm talking about)
>surrounded by a team of people who are ALSO willing to overwork themselves and be underpaid
>capable of tapping into the cultural zeitgeist

>>153925012
>>153924907
like say what you will about RWBY but at least Monty was a fucking diehard weeb. the man had loli art on his computer, cosplayed constantly, and the sheer combination of anime, music, games and other influences (fairy tales and alchemy) that influenced RWBY is enough to make it stand out, nevermind how it filled a niche (Fairy Tale Squeenix JRPG: the show)

Can anyone honestly say that these "American manga" come close?

>>153916786
All I know is one time, the author retweeted foot fetish fan art

>>153925270
...of the main character?

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>>153924907
>>153925012

Mark Crilley did have some success. Although most of it is really just how to draw books and drawing tutorials.

My Last Summer With Cass really is a good comic. It's better than Miki Falls. The New York City setting feels unique and lived in. It feels like it's own thing instead of trying to piggback off of an established manga. Nothing about the book feels manga-inspired really other than the eye shape of a few characters. So I can't call it an Amerimanga really.

I don't want to see Amerimanga set in Japan, it always winds up as this weird thing where it's Japan based on what the author saw in various mangas. I'd rather see it set in a city that the author actually lived in.

The US doesn't really have easy availability of screen prints. So a lot of Amerimangas wind up with this computer colored look to it in black and white. If you are going to computer color it with various grey shades, you might as well just make it in color. I do really like color comics, because you can convey a lot of emotion just with certain colors.

>>153925354
I work in a school and there's a LOT of comics with clear manga influence that populate the shelves in the library. I've read a few of them and they feel similar to what you've said about Cass: other than the eye shape or having Ghibli-esque roundedness when it comes to the forms of the characters, they're not really manga-inspired. If anything, the visual similarities seem to be a publisher trend in an attempt to get kids reading non-manga comics. And I can't blame them: the more "traditional" American comics are often untouched unless they're Sunday comics, based on video games, have Scholastic slapped on the spine, or recognizable capeshit.

>>153924907
the surface level inspiration is the most jarring thing about them because it makes it immediately evident to the reader if they are read and if you aren't then you it feels like it's made with a context you won't pick up and feels shallow.

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On the topic of "copying manga", didn't Scott Pilgrim also get away with it? People still consider it a cult classic (even though Normies got mad about the Knives situation and misunderstanding that Scott's supposed to be a terrible person).

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>>153925812
Scott Pilgrim has enough of its own substance once you get past the references and superficial similarities. You have the fun character interactions and drama and paneling that general flows well. The style also ends up working well with the fantastical elements. You get a sense of O'Malley's voice and sensibilities through all the inspirations that the comic is built on. I say all this as someone who hated it at the time and considered it ripoff manga.

This part from McCloud's Understanding Comics is worth thinking about in figuring out the line between a surface level hack job and something that grows beyond its influences.

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>>153925702
Unlike the other anon I never read it (yet) and actually like Cory and find a Manga by him an interesting curiosity

But damn all I remember about this is pic related and thinking "damn this nigga is just shigaraki from my hero lol"

>>153924907
>Cory, I hope you never make another "manga" again.
I read every chapter and you are correct. The main antagonistic force are just a mob of generic aggro lumps that just rampage for the sake of it. They do nothing interesting at all besides be jobbers and rip of designs from other series. There's only 1 ONE real battle with a monster before they immediately go into a school tournament arc so they can mass dump exposition and side character abilities. The entire thing feels like someone ordered a powersystem and worldbuilding off of temu.

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>>153916786
Actually, everytime I see Clock Striker, I think of a certain image dumping bot who shoves this shit once in a while. In random dump bags in derailed threads to even a thread about cartoons with zero threads even though it's a mere "manga".

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>>153925812
Really, there isn't much about Scott Pilgrim that feels like an Amerimanga other than the manga style format and being in black and white.

It definitely feels like it's own thing and is definitely unique and iconic. The Toronto location feels very personal. I wouldn't like Scott Pilgrim if O'Mally tried to piece together a Japan setting based on various mangas.

I'd be more interested in Amerimangas if they were based more around personal experiences of the authors and places that the authors have actually been to. That's much more interesting than some ripoff of an already established manga IP set in some fictional world that is inspired by manga or set in a Japan that is pieced together from various mangas.

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>>153925812
The only one that's ever seemed like it landed right, visuals-wise, was Devil's Candy, and even then it's clearly doing something more in the vein of less commonly seen (when it started in 2014) cutesy manga styles compared to what usually got aped.

Well there's also Radiant but that's kind of its own weird thing. Also, French. And in the writing it definitely felt like an outsider.

Manga is for fags.

>>153917682
>A kid with a lot of potential who gets no respect finally gets a break and chases her dreams.
Radiant also started like that but it became very different from your usual Japanese manga for kids

>>153916786
I read the first two chapters of cock striker and it was good, I'm glad that Usans are using the Japanese drawing style.

>>153916786
>No talk about the plot
Or any kind of "hook" like specific characters, designs, scenes, jokes, fights, or concepts. Even mediocre series will have a couple of people going "check out this waifu" or "this is one magic user is actually really smart".

>>153916786
>COCK STRIKER

>>153916786
This is the first I have heard of this, Op, and you are making it about it being made by a black guy. You are your own problem.

if kamen america can make it why can't you

>>153932037
They made it?
Because as far as i'm aware, the only two real authors that made it, are Tony Valente and Felipe Smith

>>153931933
>This is the first I have heard of this,
It's almost as if nobody fucking talks about this series despite it being around for years.

>>153924907
>the author doesn't read enough books, play enough games, listen to enough music, or watch enough movies (the only clear influences are popular manga...which makes them no different than the slop that gets easily forgotten in Japan)
Another huge problem with this is that the tropes they're taking from are things that were popular years before they published their work. By the time they release the series the clichés they used are already so old, tired, and dusty; manga has already moved on to new ideas. They're chasing taillights while there are artists innovating.

>>153925812
>On the topic of "copying manga", didn't Scott Pilgrim also get away with it
>picrel
manga? His artstyle more like tumblr trash

>>153925118
>the man had loli art
this already being debunked, he even hate panty shot
>RWBY will be tasteful clean and responsible. I implemented very effective ANTI UPSKIRT TECHNOLOGY! for this show.
https://x.com/montyoum/status/281901832404615168

>>153926081
I was gonna quip "What, me worry?" But then it seems it's actually referencing Alfred E Neuman?

>>153932767
Wasn't Scott Pilgrim the origin of tumblr style or am I giving it too much credit?

>>153924907
>Vol. 1 apparently sold over 200m copies
>No one talks about it, and when they do, it’s just Cory fans fellatioing Cory

>>153931470
A battle shonen-style comic where the protagonist signature move is punching the crotch of his enemies

>>153924066
>The art style is good,
>it looks like One Piece.
Pick one.

>>153932037
Sure let me just find a z-list actor who owns an anime convention to bankroll my idea and handle all the marketing, multimedia contracting, and product production work for me.

>these american made manga are too derivative of other works!!! nothing stands out about them!!
>biggest manga and anime of all time currently is JJK which is literally every shounen blended together
>>153925354
>I don't want to see Amerimanga set in Japan, it always winds up as this weird thing where it's Japan based on what the author saw in various mangas. I'd rather see it set in a city that the author actually lived in.
america sucks to live in, so asking of an american made manga about the unique american lived experiences is next to impossible
most americans can't do anything other than go to work, school, or do mundane shit that everyone in japan is already doing
and all the people who do live in the more unique parts of america aren't the type to be into anime/manga or care about art enough to draw

>>153935851
The first couple arcs of the manga had a good style. The later ones are when it started getting bad and worse. And the story followed suit.

>>153932906
No
Other artist were already doing eastern style before Scott pilgrim
It’s just the only one to appeal to a mass audience

>>153916786
it is also a little black kid
most people cannot self insert as a little black kid
>self inserting
yes, most people still self insert

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Why do Twitterfags and hoodweebs whine about muh representation and blackwash characters but then ignore series like Clock Striker and MWM?

Maybe we should do a storytime.

>>153939866
Because it's the same as those who demand white reps in media
They don't want an actual show or story, they just want a political talking piece they can pull screen shots from to win an argument

>>153927734
> dude what if the special super chosen unique people, were opressed by lel society
> dude my brother is evil...or is he!
Yes, extremely revolutionary Valente.

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>>153936646
The US is a big country with a lot of small towns in it and different cities. An Amerimanga based on a small town sounds like it could be interesting. Gravity Falls is about a small town in Oregon. These small town types aren't working all the time and have time to do things like go drinking, fishing, and joyriding.

Basing the characters around people the author actually knows creates better characters than basing characters off of various anime tropes from a country the author really doesn't know much about.

>>153939866
Blacks feel a weird ownership over any cultural import that isn't european because they are a minority group in what used to be a majority euro-centric culture. For some reason hood people think that because Japan is forgein to euros that they have some special connection to it when they don't. The fact that there is probably a higher likelihood of having some dutch/english/american/Portuguese character in an anime or manga than a black character probably annoys them to know end. Which is why they are know doing what they did to euros and demanding blacks in setting and cultures they have no part in and why the obsess over Yasuke so much. Nobody cares about William Adams or the several other white dudes that became actual samurai but blacks have this drive unending need to actual appropriate their culture.

>>153940178
>For some reason hood people think that because Japan is forgein to euros that they have some special connection to it when they don't.
That can be said for mexicans and the French as they have huge weeb cultures
Though they aren't inserting their people into their works

>>153940218
Mexicans are not a minority in Mexico and they love anime there same with the French. I think security in your own ethnic identity allows you to enjoy things from other cultures without the need of inserting yourself in it so forcefully.,

>>153940178
Perpetual victimhood is quite a powerful drug, ain't it?

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>>153936646
Sooooo the author of My Little Dashie? Wasn't there a previous Victorian definition of molester? Oh rainbow I fear you won't put up much of fight! Trust not the modern animal of man for when in these they wonder all transforms into urbaaaaa~@an bliiiiiiight!

>>153940933
Smash your phone to pieces.

Kill all crackers

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I remember I used to like this Amerimanga Aoi House. It's a pretty obvious Love Hina ripoff, but I like harem manga. Or at least omnibus 1 was good, omnibus 2 sucked.

I can't find any scans of it though.

>>153940168
>The US is a big country with a lot of small towns in it and different cities An Amerimanga based on a small town sounds like it could be interesting
that is true, but that's also its down side
how could you do a something like that without living in one yourself and how many artists that are in those cities and small towns are interested in making manga?
i don't see a lot of americans that are interested in making manga being the type to go outside and meet new people and engage with the small towns and different cities' culture, they're more interested in the japanese one
>Gravity Falls is about a small town in Oregon. These small town types aren't working all the time and have time to do things like go drinking, fishing, and joyriding.
that is a good example what i'm talking about
you don't usually see people interested in making manga come from those types of places or are interested in representing these places
manga tends to show festivals and customs tied to their history that we don't do over here in america that actually fleshes out the world and it's characters like throwing beans at oni or manzai comedy
there are places in america that has unique customs that are uniquely american like monster truck rallies, rodeo and the state fair
but would someone who is interested in making manga be interested in or even have the opportunity to engage with stuff like that?

>>153940218
I mean, France does have a special connection with Japan. Japs worship France (and specially Paris at that) so much that when they go there and see that it is actually a shithole infested of rats and africans they actually get depressed.

>>153940070
Anyone?

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>OEL manga thread
>again

I'll stick to I Kill Giants. Its about the only manga that I feel actually did it right. And had a moe ending/

>>153936646
>of all time
>currently
Those are contradicting each other, also One piece is way bigger than jjk.

>>153940168
Gravity falls was pretty mediocre ngl.

>>153940168
>Basing the characters around people the author actually knows creates better characters
I get what you mean but a lot of the GF characters were just based on obnoxious tropes as well, they didn't exactly feel like real people.

>>153926077
>>153926233
True but O'Mally was part of a shitty 00s current where everyone was doing anime inspired webcomic, we literally had a thread about them, >>153828384, a lot of them were also "parodies" which is so annoying about amerimanga. So few of them can play it straight.

>>153944658
>OEL manga
It's called comic.

>>153925354
I liked that one. Still nowhere near close to my favorite SoL manga

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>>153916786
Is it French like Radiant?

>>153939866
>but then ignore series like Clock Striker and MWM
Because shit like Clock Strikers isn't as interesting because it's coming from a place of pure facsimile rather than genuine inspiration. The actual manga that makes it over to the west are the series that already got a big following in Japan, it's stuff proven to be appealing. Weeaboo "manga" doesn't have the cutthroat editors to cancel shit nobody reads.

>>153939866
> but then ignore series like Clock Striker and MWM?

Because black made comics & cartoons are not popular besides PPIDwant to be a magical girl

>>153923587
source?

>>153924907
have you read dog nigga? (aka dog ningen).

>>153923426
couldn't agree more

if anything, japs love to appropriate black culture so japs tend to like black weebs making their things
things like the new superman show that is anime-like and fully animated by koreans are FAR more despicable from a japanese perspective