>what if super heroes were... LE BAD
>>153917664Well ya, what if? You got an answer or are you gonna keep acting like a woman?
What if super villains were... LE GOOD?
>>153917664the comic is about corporation and celebrities.They dont fight crime in the comic.
I am tired of pretending a comic book for manchildren being parodied is some sort of cultural crisis. Nobody gives a shit about Superman.
>>153917841There is some very limited idea of crimefighting in The Boys.It makes me curious who Homelander or the Seven even do. I vaguely recall Starlight saying she was disappointed in that aspect because they do nothing but media appearances.
>>153917969The first Payback team aparantly was a crimefight team.It is imply that "vigilantism" is not legal but some heros try as a PR, Homelander is imply to Kill some supes that go rogue (and rebrand as villians).The Young Americans did help in natural disasters but far away from the big centers where the real rescue teams would notice that they are not prepared for the job.It's imply that as heros has no tranning they cant do real crimefight or rescue people, they just sell comics and do mershandise.
>We had decades of superhero being good>But one or two of them being bad is somehow too much
>>153918393It's because those early decades are full of shit. Superhero comics started getting good once the concept was being called into question. It started small with stuff like Ditko's Spider-Man and a few others, but didn't reach fruition until the 80s. People won't admit this.
>>153917664>LE BAD
>>153917808Megamind and despicable me were pretty good. I am surprised that no cape writer ever had a story that started with a generic super villain becoming a good guy from their PoV. Yeah plastic man exists but he wasn't a super villain but a bad guy who got powers and reformed into a Superhero. There was never him as a super villain stretchy guy.
We just fucking had this thread yesterday, give it a rest
>>153917664Dick and shit status?
>>153917664>what if hercules, achilles, and perseus dressed like faggots
>>153917969This scenarion never made sense to me, all the things supers do is purely for PR reasons and to keep Vought American branding raking in cash. Was this just a slip up because they really wanted to hammer in that yes, this character is a Batman stand in.
>>153918585ennis is a hack
>>153918561>he doesn't know
>>153918619Ah yes, according to "Faggots in the Ancient World" written by Flaming Homo 95, these people who had several different definitions of love and insulted each other by claiming they were gaped anal whores were all homosexuals.
Superheroes are bad, they promote fascism. And fascism is inherently gay because it involves submitting to a strong man to fix all your problems.
>another “another superheroes bad” threadHow original
>>153918856as opposed to liberalism that proposes the absurd notion a woman can lead
>>153918856as opposed to democracy and republicanism which propose that one should submit to weak men. If you aren't living out a cave as a hunter-gather, are you even your own man?
>>153918925as a neet, i am the ultimate life form
>>153917664I feel like the discussion is “so edgy” while the guy spends the whole book referencing storylines that none of the casual readers, and especially normies, would get. Like, the X-Men parody is just like X-Men, but Ennies made a few changes>Stormnow a Black woman named Nubia>BeastHe looks like Alf>Phoenix bitchThe whole thing is like the Phoenix SagaWhere are the people who got that this is about the Phoenix Saga? I also like how Ennies puts together his Superman parody. So far, his favoritism toward the character, even as a parody, makes him more interesting than the mainline hero himself. Who, to be honest, is a total bore
>>153917664holy shit those thighs are fucking squares
What era was worseWhat if super-heroes BUT...orWhat if thing BUT zombies
>>153919764GONNA!
>>153917969You can notice that the early editions Ennis didnt know what he want to do outside make Butcher be his wet dream.We never know what was that Minotaur guy that A-Train was fighting.
I didn't think /co/ of all places would adhere to the Kripke hate bandwagon.
>>153917969I don't think the show strayed far in having it 25% fighting actual crooks, and 75% kayfabe
>>153917969Does she get raped, murdered, or both?
>>153919869I've been against Kripke since the show started. I've never particularly liked the comic, but the shitshow is even worse and always has been.
>>153918856Stop projecting, faggot>>153919051You are the bore
>>153918561You are the faggot
Why didn't Voight just give their heroes training?
>>153920735Same reason the golem has a magic word on his forehead that deactivates him if canceled.
>>153918831>he doesnt know that flaming homo 95 lived in ancient greece
>>153917664The Boys is a top tier Ennis comic cause there’s no IRA subplot to drive the story to a screeching halt.
>>153921000No, burger.
Excuse me sir
>>153917664What if the the guy that looks like America was le bad???
>>153917969>>153918140Super heroes and super villains alike are all corporate made product to sell the idea of supes to the public. The Legend explains as much telling you the reason you don't see super villains actually trying to take over the world is because ruling the world takes actual work and is a real pain in the ass, so they're happy to just put on their play and get their paycheck.Dear Becky goes even further on explaining this shit with the fake villain team known as Malevolents.
>What if the heros were a mixed bag but the but a random goon endeavors to be worse?
>>153917664>What if Supervillains were... LE WORKERS UNION
>>153922018they are anon...they are
>>153917664Wasn't Maeve just apathetic isn't of evil
>>153917664https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nu6aGcDeAg
>>153918561>what if hercules, achilles, and perseus dressedFTFY
>>153922018>worldbuilding in capeshit settings is le bad
>>153922101instead* fuck
>>153918856t. Alan Moore
>>153923592nahmiracle man is better than watchmen, by the way
>>153923647War criminal (Tom King's) hands typed this post
>>153923770I am genuinely offended
>>153917664i feel like you're missing all the fucked stuff this poor man had to go through as a child in order to end up like this unless the comic has a different story of something
>>153917664Could homelander beat her?
>>153919846>>153918585>>153917969I think it's because early in the comic, the idea was the ""superheroes"" were more like actual superheroes, who fought crime and saved people, it was all probably completely staged of course but i guess the idea had more to it than branding.
>>153919996Iirc she gets spitroasted
>>153922018Gruenwald did it first
>MAN, I GOT THESE CHEESEBURGERS, MAN!can't believe they foreshadowed his final moments two years ago
>>153919996makes out with not-nightwing then invites not-batman to join in.
>>153923827at sex? dont think so, he didnt last long with stillwell. unless she ends up being as freaky as stormfront
>>153923647No. Miracleman is a mess. Watchmen is superior.>>153923770>>153923801Kek
>>153926514having reread watchmen recently, a solid third of it is laurie bitching about everything
>>153918393>"What if good people are actually bad people?"psyop gets old really fast
>>153926640Based retard
>>153921026We get the Falklands instead, but that was just in the Butcher mini.
>>153926624No.
>>153926893yes
>>153919051Homelander for all his character writting flaws, is still an original character, who stands out far much more than not-punisher >>153918393a parody can never be as long lasting as the concept it mocks
>>153917664>What if Superheroes were... LE DUMB
>>153917664>what if super heroes were... LE BADThen they'd be villains, not heroes.So it's more of a 'what if there were no superheroes' thing.
>>153918505I mean Thunderbolts kinda does that
>>153919959The show ...er...show plenty of fight crime, and in the first season they say that heros really lower crime statistics.
>>153923836Yes, you can notice that before and after the russian arc there is a change of ideia in Ennis head.we also see that the crimefight never happens after the initial comics.
>>153918856I want to dissagree, but this decade having people using Trump and Milei as father figurees has been sad.More when they yell at Agenda 2030, even though Trump is a zionist and Milei cabinet is filled with Soros's people.
>>153917664>>what if super heroes were... LE BADThey are.
>>153917664WHAT IF SUPER HEROES SUCKED DICK AND ATE SHIT!?
>>153926640People deceive you to think they're good. This is how every politician work.
>>153917969I recall that they stopped fighting crime after they secured residual as a satire on 90's comics like Young Blood when comics would be delayed because the artist made more money on merchandise than comics.
I dont entirely understand this genre because, at its smartest, it decides that someone with Superman-like abilities would get tired of helping people (or begin to resent those without powers) and gradually turn bad. This isn't universal (I'd argue it isn't even common; evil is mundane) but I can understand the concept: there's a change that stems from dissatisfaction, disillusionment, greed. These are real things even decent people feel, just without extreme expression. But then the story progresses, the hero does bad things and the hero's fulfilling this impulse... and then the former "hero" stops having any of those character flaws the moment he has done bad things and has transitioned into villain.If that's too many words, the character has a single (negative) arc but then all the things that motivated such an arc disappear. It's hard to believe that someone who yearns for more and will pursue it aggressively just stops the moment he attains it. Greed doesn't have a limit. Ambitious human beings don't stop being ambitious because they've succeeded to some degree. The stories never really tackle what happens when that is accomplished; the writers have this childish idea of "all people want power and the ability to abuse it!" when that's not really the human impulse they are portraying. I know Homelander does not actually win in the show (and he has entirely different motivations in the comic) but I still find it strange he didn't get bored with power. People who attain power but get bored with it often decide they have a higher purpose. They often loop back into trying to be "benevolent" because they're just so powerful and megalomaniacal. But that might be too cerebral of an assessment for this product where some guy in underpants hurls a family of four fifty miles off the ground, and our "hero" Billy Butcher looks and sounds like a Redditor.
I would have liked The Boys if Ennis had made it more of a critique of the industry and less wallowing in filth. Kirby knew how to be tasteful about it.
>>153930481Nope, retard
>>153931870It's peak
>>153917664You're in a dick sucking competition and your opponent is Homelander
>>153931495this was a big flaw with the finale. he was basically a god but was still miserable. he should have either snapped and lasered everyone, tried to be a real superman to gain love, or just let butcher kill him. having him beg in the most pathetic way after being upset by the word father in the speech without any sort of plan just made no sense.
>>153917664>>153917969>>153926640It's the same as in real life. Our superheroes, who make billions for megacorps and tens of millions for themselves, are just actors. Robert Downey Jr. is a washed-up addict who never fought a criminal in his life, Scarlett Johanssen fucked Weinstein etc. The difference is in the Boys the actors have actual superheroes that allow them to put on a better act. Imagine if Spider-Man came to your kid's birthday party and actually shot web and swung between buildings. Your kid would lose his shit.
>>153917808Isn't that what the spin off of Irredeemable was based on?
>>153932646Shut up, gasbag
>>153923852>>153924991She gets doubled teamed but mecha man can't stop looking at Laddio's face the entire time.
>>153918856Isn't it about a bunch of sticks aligning together to form the much stronger fasces?
>>153932646An Iranian cleric actually made the same comment after the murder of General Soleimani. He was saying that it was impossible for Iran to respond in kind and kill and American hero because they're SpongeBob and Spider-Man.Not making a real point. Just thought it was interesting
>>153926640The people who make superhero comics are some of the worst people in the world. If they were making them for real, what makes you think they'd be good people?
>>153917664What do you mean "What if"?
>>153932916Tom's tepid nuh-uh input after his own statement on the benefits of pissing off readership only helped magnify the point made about his ilk.
>>153924991call me gay but I really like how toned the heroines(well, Maeve and this chick) were drawn in the boys.
>>153917664All I heard about The Boys comic was that it was absurdly edgy and meandering, but after the past two seasons I'm willing to give it a shot. Where can I read it all at?
>>153934852https://batcave.biz/reader/33593/240235I'd suggest using this reading order and skipping over Dear Becky. All of those side issues are present on the same site.
>>153935929Appreciate it. I'll probably go through them all at some point but I'll use this for the main story.
>>153934705Too bad that the inkling is shit.
>>153918505Irredeemable spin-off had it and it was actually better than original, but also the inverse part is so well done that I won't even spoil it, that's like the 3-4 things irredeemable has it going for it
>>153935978 It is, but that's also because 2000s comics had it rough with inking due to going digital and EVERYBODY experimented on it, that's already troubling but then you have scanning problem that already makes it worse.
>>153936212for the first part, much like irredeemablethe hate crime joke was actually funny
Since these threads are inevitably shit and offtopic, does anyone know what site is best for torrenting comics?I don't want to read online, I have my own setup for reading manga and like having the full two pages spread out in front of me like a physical comic, but I can't for the life of me figure out where you people get these things. Every single person talking about comic piracy seems to just suggest reading on some fucking website.
