These are old polls from Wizard in the early 00s. How well does this hold up now?
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>>153919461The Punisher one aged like wine lmao
>>153918076For real Wolverine? Thanks for the tip!
>>153919552I kinda wonder which would get even more hate now, variant covers or constant relaunches
Kind of off-topic, but since we’re discussing Wizard again, I figured I should throw out there that I grew up obsessed with the American Shonen Jump magazine and was a huge snob about it, but, looking back, it really was just Wizard for weebs. I feel like such a cornball.
>>153919688I have this book about anime from either 1999 or 2000 that was made by a pre use of the word weeb. It's kinda of informative for the time, BUT, the person who wrote it did it kind of informally so there's alot of moments in it where they have sperg outs about whatever made them happy or angry.
>>153919688It might sound like a platitude, but I really do think almost everyone has that sort of thing happen at least once. As a kid we might latch on to things but a part of us accepts fads come and go, during the years between teenage and adulthood our passion continues to grow but we start trying to form a firm idea of what to root our identity around to find our tribe, fit in, climb the ladder, so often people become very obstinate about what's trivial because of lack of awareness compounded with complexes over what life's really about from the limited experiences they have.Before I wandered in to the more ephemeral ways of 4chan which became more my temp, I remember a lot of Forums reinforced the idea certain things were life and death based on thread longevity and post count. You're were either always up on the up and up and in, or you were down and out.
>>153919688How the fuck are they even comparable? SJ was an anthology, while Wizard wasn't.
>>153918076>Mainstream creator who helped comics the most>Kevin, Joss, Goyer>>153918144>Most important event>Quesadilla at Marvel>Superman dies>>153919461>The worst idea>Superman marries LoisSad, goofy, garbage take having bitch>Removing Hal as A GLYes>Removing Hal as THE GLIf I'm not the winner I'm taking my ball and heading home to cry type ass>Worst fad>#1s, Cover gimmicks, replacementsThe majority got something right, but since two of those still float whoever voted is still buying anyway.
>>153919461depressing how every single one of those fads has not only stuck around, but arguably overshadowed the actual comics themselves by this point
>>153919461Clonebros...
>>153919602I would say varient covers cause tbey dont change the dog shit inside. At leadt with a relaunch, there is a chance (however infantesimal) that it will be better than the previous. Then again, some "relaunches" are just the previous run but just fuck up the chapters, sp wjat do I know.
>>153918076>>153918144>>153919461>FilenameLet me guessComic twitter thread
>>153918076>Kevin Smith at 70%And now his only legacy in comics is being the guy who wrote the Black Cat rape comic
>>153918076I never realized this before but Kevin Smith looks like he has partial down syndrome.
>>153921405meds
>>153919461>Heroes RebornQRD?
>>153921420Don't forget shitting on Year One and writing a 12 issue series so bad it was canceled at issue 6 in a huge cliffhanger.
>>153922222Avengers and FF handed over to Leidfeld and some others to try and fix their sales slumps. They all got rebooted in a pocket universe (and were "killed off" in the main one)
>>153918076Was making Clerks really all it took to be considered a god amongst geeks back then?
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>>153921420Didn't he also make a He-man cartoon without He-man?
>>153922469Eh, it was about he-man and then he appeared near the end of the first season. It wasn't terrible by any stretch.
>>153922307It wasn't just Clerks, he also did Mallrats and had Stan Lee cameo in it, and Chasing Amy he got Joe Quesada and Mike Allred to make an appearance. To people in comics at the time, they saw him as like the connector between the Hollywood and normie worlds and the comic worldQuesada then got him to write Daredevil and that was popular
>>153919461>superman marrying Loiswas it fucked up or was this another spiderman/mj thing where the writers take out their misery on a comic character?
>>153919461It's kind of a cheat for them to put "Heroes Reborn" and "Rob Liefeld's Captain America" since Liefeld's Cap was part of Heroes Reborn
>>153922577People forget how prolific and popular Kevin Smith was before he melted his brain chain smoking weed for a decade.
>>153919461The idea of fanboys raging against Superman marrying Lois is so foreign and alien to me.
>>153922737It was coming from stubborn Earth One Superman fans like Waid, Morrison, Millar, and Austen who either never wanted Superman married because that wasn't the character they grew up with or they were mad because he settled down with the "wrong" character.
>>153922577>To people in comics at the time, they saw him as like the connector between the Hollywood and normie worlds and the comic worldAnd lo, the monkey paw curled and when synergy came with that nary a cheer was heard.
Fuck Wizard.
>>153918076Was Storm really topless in that?
>>153922737Only 3% did, it is a vocal minority.
>>153921420Eh, he brought back Ollie.
>>153918076>Smallville It's insane how this show pretty much carried WB/CW for 10 years.
>>153918076The more I look back the more I think I hate Wizard.
>>153918076What's with the weird use of "Quotation" marks?
>>153922737>>153924740I honestly think it was probably some kind of ballot stuffing done by people who were in the know about the Superman 2000 plan and were trying to push the anti-marriage thing, but didn't realize there were waayyy more fans who were still pissed about Hal not being GL and even more fans pissed about Liefeld or the Clone Saga
>>153921420He also killed Karen Page and tried to made canon that ollie wasn't raped by cheat on Black canary
>>153925979Learn English.
>>153926023Ich werde es nicht tun, troon
>>153921324before and after the anthology comp its a magazine tonally exactly like wizard
>>153919688Wizard actually published an anime magazine.
>>153922469Yup, it's shit.
>>153924660Yeah, Halle Berry is sunbathing topless in one scene.The movie otherwise sucks, though.
>>153923000To be honest, Morrison grown up of that. Superman and the authority has a good moment of both.Austen was more a tard that wanted Lana to fuck Clark. Hilarious how the guy who posted "Lois is a goldigger" is the one helping on Steven Universe and She-ra
>>153925881Based.
>>153918144>"The most improved character"'>Batgirl 11%>early 00'sHuh. Interesting.
>>153931121Cass Cain was one of DC's top selling comics in those first years. Then DC tanked sales by following up Damion Scott with one of the worst artists to ever put pencil to paper.
>>153931121Kek, didn't even notice that, but it makes sense.
>>153922276he didnt' shti on yer one
>>153931772He diminished it by having Batman reveal that the explosion at the rich peoples' dinner made him piss his pants.
>>153919461Funny how the industry has quadrupled down on all these "fads" that people hated even then. Except the baddies
>>153918076>X-Men & BTASFair, the trilogy hadn't shat itself yet and X2 wasn't bad>SmithFuck no lmao>>153918144>QuesadaTechnically yeah since he killed Pete's marriage and DC crossovers. >Spider-manlol>>153919461>Relaunch with #1Thus of old, thus of now. Anyone who hated bad girls was a fag.>"The" Spider-CloneUnderstandable, but the others are interesting.
>>153931891Complaints don't mean a thing when the market decides this is the way to make money. People will complain about it while they're financially supporting it.
>>153919461It’s weird how audiences have been saying for 25+ years that they hate issue one relaunches but yet they’re still doing it all the time.>>153919688SJ was for kids so they can be forgiven.Wizards audience was Gen Xer nostalgia nerds who should have dropped out of the hobby years ago but still cling on.
>>153931772>Hey remember one of the most impactful moments from this awesome comic?>Actually Batman pissed his pants when he did that.
>>153931121It was the style at the time, still is in some corners of the tribe.
>>153932494I don't get what this page is about
>>153932142>It’s weird how audiences have been saying for 25+ years that they hate issue one relaunches but yet they’re still doing it all the time.Because it works.
>>153932791It turns out it only works in the short-term and if the relaunch has a large enough space between #1s. ANAD was a disaster because they relaunched everything including comics that were only like 8 issues in. Now they're relaunching stuff after five issues. That's not the sign of a good strategy
>>153932562It seems obvious: Infectious Lass assumes they're targeting her, The Hot One, but they're actually after Traci because they have Yellow Fever. Now, WHY that's what's happening, and why them being "Gecks" would explain it, is a bit cryptic.
>>153933213It's my understanding that they're just canceling low-selling series after five issues, and that's a good call to make. Marvel's not going to publish the next Sandman, never have.
>>153931913>>Spider-man>lolAnon, this was right after the clone saga and just as Ultimate Spider-Man was starting. Even with Wizard’s readerbase being retarded, it’s easy to see how anyone might’ve considered the early 2000s to be an improvement over the 90s for Spidey specifically.
>>153926070>pretending to be German because you're embarrassed of your real nationalitySad.
>>153933452The clone saga ended in 1996. What happened next was four years of incredibly boring comics and John Byrne trying to scrape the Man of Steel barrel. Ultimate Spider-Man followed by JMS on Amazing made Spider-Man interesting again.
>>153931831He also revealed it to some guy instead of Dick or whoever
>>153933547Yes, exactly. The Spider-90s were full of either forgettable blandness or terrible, TERRIBLE ideas that still got the green light for no good reason. The 2000s were at least trying something new with Ultimate, and the totem shit + OMD hadn’t kicked in yet, so the poll’s pretty reasonable in-context.I do wonder how different it’d look if it was taken in 2009, though. Or even just 2007.
>>153932791>Savage Dragon>better in later issuesHe must be literally insane.
>>153932791>>153933423DC since nu52 mostly wait between 50-100 for a relaunch and that's work for the best (something wait longer like Nightwing or Batman).Spiderman also relaunch after that range .The problem with releasing every 10-20 issues is that after the third relaunch nobody is gonna still buy comics outside the first issue
>>153918076>>153918144Man this aged horribly in real time>>153919461This, however, aged like wine. Oh snap >>153919552 beat me to it
>>153922620It's a cheat, but that's how much those guys hated Liefeld. I'm not saying NOBODY hated them, but a lot of the seething about Liefeld and the Clone Saga owe a lot to Wizard being the fanboy tastemaker in the 90s, telling you what your opinion was on something you might not have been reading.Wizard spearheaded a fan campaign to keep Waid on the Captain America book after the Heroes Reborn contract was already a done deal.
>>153931341Readers couldn't choose write-in options for those polls, so Batgirl being an option means the people at Wizard like the book and made it an option.
>>153931970>>153931970Speculators are not the market to cater to for long term growth
