Will the animation industry ever recover?
>>153928991The industry is healing. Purging people like him is part of that process.
>>153928991Yes, under a different name
It warms my heart to know that these overprivileged California animators are forced to wageslave for years to come.>How do you know they're overprivileged?99 percent of successful working artists since the 2000s come from well off families. You basically have to be in order to afford not only cali rent but also to go to prestige schools like Calarts which costs 60-80k a fucking year
Why can't these people act like professionals? There's a real unseriousness with people in every industry.
>because of corporate meddling and executive greedIsn't it because kids stopped watching cartoons, so there's no way to make money off of it anymore? That's less greed and more>Yeah we literally don't get enough to support employees with a living wage anymore, we gotta close up shop
>>153929102Who else would talk about working at a grocery store or gas station like that
>>153929102Same
>>153928991"Hello! I am Nico Colaleo. You might know me from my work "I laugh as I ruin your childhood" and "Yikes, you are a homophobic racist". I am here to tell you that the death of the animation wasn't the fault of me and my fellow animators who dictated the artstyle and the writing of the shows that drove everyone off. But I will not elaborate on what has happening behind the scenes so you can pin accurate blame either. Dammit, not I have to work a blue collar job like you."
>>153929203Don't they get paid well for these shows? where does the money go?
>>153928991This is basically meI pursued animation my entire life, got to work in the industry for about five years only to be unable to find any more workI had to work at a shitty food Lion where half of the customers are Haitians who can't speak or read English (inb4: liberal, no I'm right wing just quiet about it)Nothing in the store works and I make 12 bucks an hour and can't even afford my studio apartment at 35 I am actually close to roping
>>153929342Animators aren't as well paid as anons thinkAlso, it goes to LA rent
>>153928991Working at Walmart in a non customer facing position is pretty chill
>>153929358why don't you leave for a cheaper place? Get a decent job and come back once you have savings
>>153928991Is this nigga implying that grocery store workers are lesser than them? That it's beneath them? I smell a cancelling in the near future.
>>153928991>Corporate greedWhen are they going to acknowledge that it was women who took over animation and ran it into the ground?
>>153929572>womenyou mean jews
>>153929582Theyrethesamepicture.jpg
>>153928991just draw furry porn and stop complaining>eeew furry porn is gross I would never-then fill my tank, doughboy
>>153929563Everyone believes retail and fast food workers are beneath themLiterally everyone
>>153929132It’s more the fact that the suicidal push for the streaming bubble over cable has been absolutely devastating for the animation industry.
Honestly at this point I don't care. I actually went to therapy and that's all they told me. I went on youtube and the self help pipeline on all sides and it's all the same message of "lol just like not care bro!" So I just don't. Let them live, let them die. They are not owed or entitled to anything just like me, it is not their nor my job to help or have empathy. So why bother? I'm much happier seeing people suffer and knowing I can just walk away and ignore it with no repercussions.
>>153928991Nico doesn't have an ounce of creativity or likability in his entire body. He'd make for a better punching bag than putting groceries in a bag.
>>153929711This is the same well that makes people go “Haha, fuck ‘em, they deserve it and actually uhhhh they’ve wronged me personally!!”Any alternative seems impossible so the path of least resistance is to just kick someone while they’re down. It makes someone feel more in control over the situation than they actually are. Anything to preserve the illusion that life is a meritocracy.
>>153928991The current generation grew up with TikTok and AI slop. It’s over. Animation will never be good again
>>153929563no it means many had to change to a job outside the industry that doesn't use the skillset they studied forand grocery stores and gas stations might not pay wellso of course people would be upset at having to move to a lower paying job because the one you used to work in dried up
>>153929711>therapycomplete meme that does nothing for you.you need to seek out Christ if you actually want to be put back together.
>>153928991Hopefully not
>>153928991It should die so the cartoon side of the board withers away and allows the comic side to flourish.
>>153929563>>153929640as somebody who worked food service, having some pindick manager bitch at you for the most trivial bullshit is infuriating and anyone who has their career in the hands of some psychopathic powertripper i feel their pain. I went into substitute teaching because the job was that fucking bad. because they had me running food for like hours sometimes without help by myself because they decided to understaff us or randomly reschedule my ass for no reason. anybody who has to be in the corpo grindset sucks.
>>153930017If it makes you feel better, a lot of these restaurants and retail chains are going to die in the coming years. Stores are closing left and right where I live
>>153930098proof? reason?
>>153930098lol, 2008 TWO babeeeyyy>>153930145the ai bubble bursting will make the economy commit suicide and we'll be in another recession after the first. one wore offf.
>>153928991It'll only stop collapsing when Hollywood stops bleeding moneySo yeah it's gonna die and not come back until everything else gets sorted out
>>153928991The Asian animation industry is flourishing globally. Maybe we should copy them.
>>153929826Sthut up, fatass
>>153930157wouldn't that mean there will be MORE demand for said menial labor that they wanted to try and replace with AI?i can see them doing whatever they can to save themselves from going out of business. but they're likely just going to hire low IQ migrants to do the work for next to no pay like they already do though.
>>153930222It's too late for that, the market is already served, and a lot of people into Asian stuff have sworn off financially supporting American media entirely.
>>1539301572008? More like 1929. The multiple bubbles bursting as people start realising soitware isn't an entire economy's worth of value is going to be a rough ride. Have you seen graphs of the stock market since 2008? Literally all of that is financial engineering. None of it is real. Shit's so fucked
>>153928991There's an important distinction to make here:Does it no longer exist or is he simply not viable in terms of his skillset (among other things) specifically?There's a difference.
>>153930300the companies investing in them will lose wealth which will cause a drain in the economy which will lead to the common man having less to spend on food, travel and merch. knock on effects that cause the entire financial market to crash.>>153930306i swear to god, boomers and gen x single handedly managed to ruin years of economic prosperity single handedly.
Does it even matter. They'll just keep pumping insipid woke shit full of browns until the sun burns out. Except it will be made by AIjeets now. It's not like they'll hire different people who'll change something. I love that these calicommies will work at gas stations but things will only get worse so I can't celebrate
>>153929798This. I worked serving tables in restaurants for like 20 years. I worked hard to hone my creative skills growing up and did what I had to do after school to continue practicing, networking, building the portfolio and connections until I could finally get enough work to make it my full time gig all while holding down jobs in restaurants. Before that, I’d worked as a groundskeeper, a custodian, a barista, a mover…I’m not afraid of work. I have a deep respect for the hospitality industry. A good chunk of my friends are lifers and for awhile I thought it was going to be my life too. I got good at it. However being able to realize my lifelong ambition to be a professional artist felt cathartic. It took tons of hard work, discipline, and sacrifice to keep that moving forward while holding down other jobs but after two fucking decades of grinding away, it finally started to pay off. The threat of having to go back is always there. And while I’m managing to barely scrape by, if push comes to shove, I’ll go back to working in restaurants. That said, it won’t be without a lot of sadness. It has nothing to do with looking down on restaurant work which, as I’ve mentioned, I respect. The majority of my friends are in that industry. It’s not about disrespecting those jobs, it’s more about mourning the fact that the mountain you worked so hard to climb is disintegrating right before you get to the summit.Anons look at people who are struggling with that as entitled. I’m not entitled and there’s a very real possibility I’ll have to go back to working in restaurants. I don’t think that mourning the loss of your career is entitled or indicates that you’re looking down on other professions. I’m not defending Nico because fuck him, but I think anons are ridiculous for thinking that anyone who is having a hard time with having to leave the job they worked hard to specialize in to do unrelated labor elsewhere is somehow being elitist.
>>153928991without Cable and a dozen successful channels competing with each other, no the pre 2020 system is never coming back as it used to be.
>>153929136Nico is kind of a special case since he really and truly believed working in a cartoon studio made him some kind of superior being above all the huddled normies so much that he really loved lording that over them.He misses his smug sense of superiority of being one of the chosen elite.
>>153930017Oh man, I feel this. I also worked in restaurants. I hated when they’d understaff because we needed to hire more people so everyone would rally and temporarily cover the whole floor with a skeleton crew until we could staff up, but then managers thought that because we were able to do it that maybe we don’t need to hire more people after all. Motherfucker, we are one unexpected rush away from complete systemic breakdown.
>>153928991I'm supposed to feel sorry about the Childhood Ruiner man? I don't know, seems like one makes a show that is such a bad idea that just about everyone that hears of it agrees it is a terrible idea and no one will like it at all. It inevitably fails, the channel it was on fails, now these freaks are confused as to what happened.
>>153929495Anon 12 bucks an hour can barely afford the cheapest available places in the USA.
>>153929358Just go indy bro!
>hehe I can't wait to see those stupid rednecks getting replaced by automation. Learn to code you subhuman hick. We're the future, and you're not in it.Live by the sword...
>Make an entire generation's worth of nothing but shit, while shit talking anyone who tries to warn you that what you're doing is ruining the industry, to the point where kids would rather do literally anything else but watch cartoonsThe only corporate mistake that was made was listening to retards like Nico.
>>153929495Do you not know what a studio apartment is? It's the cheapest setup you could get.
>>153928991That's what happens when you defend Thundercats Roar.
>>153930887literally watching the food go down in quality too, dude literally had us microwave the fucking vegetables. I told them "dude I want to eat here"
>>153929563>>153930017Anyone who has worked in any service industry is very aware that YES, boomers and aging corporate fucks absolutely do indeed look down on them in a very big way. They are the worst fucking people that will take time to make your life worse, on purpose because they are higher on society's caste system than YOU. These are the people that view working a retail job as being a failure/ dead end path that only the stupidest or worse people would actually bother with. At best it was a beginner job for someone in high school and they are supposed to graduate out of that once they reach 20. Anyone older than 20 working in a restaurant or store was clearly a total failure in life, possibly a drug addict. Either way a pathetic piece of shit not worth anyone's sympathy.Boomers went into the job market when a sales job at Sears was a career with a pension, health plan, vacation time, and one could support a family on it, and ruined all of that because their believed working in a store or restaurant was a failure path for drug addicts and losers. They pushed the everyone needs to go to college and get a job in an office in a suit or else you are a pathetic piece of shit waste of space that rightly should crawl into a corner and die.
>>153929640Nothing like working a 7 hour shift at Target, being treated like shit by angry boomers who have nothing but deep contept for your existence because you work in a retail store. Then coming home and having your father doing the exact same thing and also treat you like shit for working in a Target and somehow not landing some amazing high paying corporate office job at 19 while also juggling classes for a third of your day. For some reason in America, if you get a job then everyone everyone in every corner of your life will look down on you for it. homeless people do not have the same level of pure driven hatred from the general public.
>>153930820Fellow poorfag here. I also struggled for years to get my animation job. I never had to do food service but I did retail since high school, usually two at a time because they never staff you full time at those places. So they don't have to pay for your healthcare. My parents currently work retail and construction even though they're past retirement age. Even as an animator I still struggle to get by. I usually have to take on multiple gigs at once. I feel like I haven't really lived my life for the past several years because I'm always working. I'm grateful though that I get to sit in my computer chair and draw all day instead of taking abuse from customers. I'm lucky to have kept animation work for this long even though I've had some gaps with nothing. I also have a family and we've drained our savings trying to stay afloat. My wife just got passed on for a big job that would've saved us, so it's tough.I have recurring nightmares of working in retail all the time, where I have to handle some situation and realize I'm dealing with all of it for $8.50 an hour. I'll always do what I have to to make money, but it hurts to have to waste all your time and energy away just to not really live.
>>153928991Move to Japan. Plenty of animation work there.
>>153929358>I am actually close to ropingPost your work first.
>>153928991Yeah, but probably not anytime soon.>>153929203This actually sucks - not about them specifically, but the way the job markets is, and how linkedin has fucked everyone over with ghost jobs that don't exist, and every application takes an hour+ of time to finish. I'm really glad I don't have to do this shit.>>153929342California is expensive as shit. According to Zillow average rent in LA in $2677, which is insane - my mortgage is lower than that, significantly.>>153929563No, he's implying these people got stuck in dead end soul crushing retail jobs. Customer facing jobs are some of the worst out there and no one working them gets any respect, just endless shit from shitty bosses and entitled customers. My boomer mom gets all riled up about how they "have no pride in their work" and literally can't understand that no, there is no reason for them to have any pride in a dead-end corpo job that treats them like dogshit and pays them almost nothing so they do the minimum to retain what little sanity they have left.
>>153930098where the fuck is anyone supposed to work when that happens? Everyone still has to pay rent but there is no job for anyone to have anywhere.
>>153931146Move with your parents and start working from there on your own stuff.
>>153930157It's really annoying how we have to have a massive financial crisis that ruins half the economy every 6-8 years.
>>153930820Part of the issue is that American artists have fucking horrible, awful, HORRID PR.They do everything in their power to be catty, annoying cunts, so now people associate all American artists with annoying, catty cunts.Not to mention, a lot of American artists are, frankly, people who don't belong in the arts to begin with.They're anti free expression if the expression is something they find icky, they're clout-chasers, they're just all-around shitty people who shouldn't be making art period, they ABSOLUTELY should be relegated to serving fries at McDonalds.If you're an artist who can't even do something as simple as respecting the autonomy of another artist because they draw things that you find icky, you should be barred from participating in art in any way, shape, or form.
>>153928991Awww, poor little fatty blacklisted baby shouldn't have shit on Butch over his fucking pfp of all things, shouldn't have he?
>>153930820Probably not you, but lots of people have personal anecdotes about some time when Nico treated them like shit because he was a super special animation industry insider when they were students or nobodoes. There is a very special level of personal satisfaction when they see him struggling and having to get a grocery store job.
>>153931170If California suddenly got swallowed by the seas the reputation of artist everywhere would improve overnight.It's always the same people ruining it for everyone.
>>153931162just pray the boomers and gen x die horribly and quickly so they can stop raping everyone.
You ever read this children's book. Its basic thesis is that art is necessary for survival. And that is true.The issue is even in this book it takes an entire colony to support 1 artist but only 1 artist to support the colony.We just dont need that many artist in the world.
>>153931205Yeah, because Butch "Taking $200 commissions and making youtube videos about his old works to survive" Hartman is really doing so well himselfHey how's Oaxis doing buddyYeah that really worked out didn't it
>>153931170It has been negative since the 1950s. In America the term artist became synonymous with alcoholic, drug addict that glues shit to bicycle parts and then talks about their feelings. It was considered a fake job by unskilled, uneducated worthless idiots and addicts. Whenever anyone hears the term "Artist" they only picture Andy Warhol or Yoko Ono who make weird confusing shit out of garbage and try to sell it for millions. Art has ever always been assumed to be some dumping grounds for overly liberal fucking morons who don't want to get a real job by half the country. These same guys cannot ever grasp the concept that their car or house was also designed by an artist.
>>153931145>California is expensive as shit. According to Zillow average rent in LA in $2677, which is insane - my mortgage is lower than that, significantly.I genuinely don't get why anyone would want to live there. It's a hell hole, and an expensive hellhole at that.>But they to to pursue their passionYou can do that literally anywhere these day.Get a nice cozy job in a smaller town or city, and then use the extra money you now have to work less, and then make the things you want in your spare time and upload them to youtube or tiktik, or whatever.The only reason to live in LA is because you either want to be near other retards, or to do drugs.
>>153931286He is though? He's channel does decent numbers (at least, whenever he does something FOP shipping related or E-celeb guest star related) and he's making millions off of royalties from his shows. What does Nico fatass have, besides a career of failure?Like I told you faggots a hundred times, nobody in the industry actually cares about PieGuyRulz's "Butch eyeball traced some rando commission" scandals, and Oaxis was just a failed startup among the hundreds that fail per year, man didn't even see a single zogbot on his doorstop over that alleged "fraud". Butch is whitelisted in the industry.
>>153930820>I don’t think that mourning the loss of your career is entitled or indicates that you’re looking down on other professions.Art is a luxury. Most people who lived and still live dedicated their lives mainly survive, most never had the chance of pursuing art full time.I'm not saying we all deserve to be enslaved by survival and not dream of something higher, I'd love to live in a star trek bullshit post-scarcity post-labor world, but I'm realistic too."Go indie" is a meme but there is truth on that, I gave up on pursuing creativity seriously, settled down for a stable normal job and became a hobbyist.
>>153931290Jackson Pollock did a lot of damage to the perception of artists in the US back in the late 50s. Ever since, the rest of the country just assume anyone calling themself an artist is a heroine addicted fucking schizo that splatters paint on a wall and labels it something dramatic or makes poetry about deep issues and feelings. Also doesn't help that just about all modern media spent the next 50 years pushing that exact same image. How many shows and movies had the episode where one of the cast becomes an artist and it's just them splattering buckets of paint on something? Or the characters accidentally drop paint on some garbage and some art dealer passes by and calls it genius. Media spent a lot of time pushing the same old>$10 million?!?!? My kid could paint that crap!as a standard episode in half the sitcoms made for decades.
Non-american here. If NY and LA are so expensive to get a house and buy groceries in then how come they are full of ghetto people? Does the majority of the population squat and steal food?
>>153931443>Does the majority of the population squat and steal food?Yes.
I really don't get why you guys insist on pursuing animation full time. "Starving artist" has been a meme forever, and your hear stuff like how most writers don't have writing as their main job.
>>153931069the fact that you guys HAD a microwave is not a good sign
>>153931492This is why the animation industry is populated by nepobabies and outsourced Koreans and Filipinos
>>153930820>Anons look at people who are struggling with that as entitled.You'll find those people are usually giant narcissists as well who enjoy preaching to others what they don't practice. Even more so they'll twist it as well, because there is a bit of entitlement in these vents of frustration, but it is justified. You worked, there for you should get paid, those are the rules after all. However they'll take it to a dishonest extreme where they will always downplay your suffering while up play every one of their inconveniences. They are literal victim complex where they see any bit of pain from someone and go "BUT WHAT ABOUT ME!"
>>153931539Then anons complain about animated shows and movies being nepo drivel made by overprivileged women complaining about not being loved by mommy
>>153931113>I feel like I haven't really lived my life for the past several years because I'm always workingsame. That's the thing with freelance. There are no days off, there are no set hours, there isn't any vacation time. Basically, whenever I'm not working, I feel anxious because I think that I should be working. I've been trying to establish a better work life balance because it's been affecting my relationship with my girlfriend, but I'm like BARELY scraping by working all day every day. I really do try to take time every few days to be thankful that I "get" to do this for a living, but I don't think anyone can possibly understand what the grind is like unless they've had to do it. Sometimes I wonder what the fuck I'm getting out of this.
>>153931146>where the fuck is anyone supposed to work when that happens?
>>153931170>They do everything in their power to be catty, annoying cuntsanons tend to think this because there are a handful of outspoken catty retards on twitter. They don't represent the industry. If you actually pay attention to the credits at the end of a film or an episode, you'll see TONS of names that you don't recognize. All of those people work in the industry professionally and you likely don't know their names because they don't use twitter like their personal diary.
>>153928991I hope not. I hope there is never again an animated series where the characters act like they live in LA. >>153929111They got the positions but didn't build the soul of a professional animator like Golden Age ones and some 90s ones did.>>153931213He also used to be a big John K guy and thinks he can just jump to whoever is currently serving his interests when his previous social group gets inconvenient.
>>153931623>They don't represent the industry.They do by being the face of it, and all the others not stepping up to tell them to shut the fuck up.
>>153931213I don't know Nico personally, but I'll admit he does come across as a bit of a cunt online. That said, the takeaway shouldn't be that all animators are entitled shitbags who look down on minimum wage employment...just Nico.
>>153931492Because until 15 years ago it was a decent full time job and career path.
>>153931146It would be a lot more helpful if no education, no skill, useless fucks like yourself just die and help with the overcrowding problem in the world.
>>153931070What's worse is that it's never going to end. Boomers may je dying off but they still get to choose their replacements, and they are going to choose others who think like them. Even if they aren't physically boomers, they are still mentally boomers.
>>153931443Many rent, live with family or roommates, live in older rent-stabilized or subsidized housing, commute from cheaper areas, or spend a very high share of their income on rent. Some receive public benefits or food assistance.
>>153931579The other side of freelance is that you never ever know how long you might go between jobs, so you want to take any gig you can no matter what even if you desperately want a break. And you never want to spend any money at all even when the income is decent because you never know if there is going to be a 5-6 month dry period where there is no work at all and you have to save everything.
>>153931623How come of all the artists that post on the internet we never see any pleasant ones?
>>153931343Most of his videos don't even hit 10K - that's not good numbers, especially for someone with his name recognition. His best performing videos are ones mentioning more popular youtubers(matpat video is by far his most popular.>royaltiesHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>153928991dont think so, creator of MLP FIM thinks the same
>>153931443those people are all stuffed in a one bedroom apartment
>>153931443Other states ship their homeless to LA.
>>153928991>If I can't make my hobby a job, I'm going to kill myself!Alright, get to it then.
>>153931767Or maybe her ideas suck.
>>153931070>>153931704That was a big transformation that happened mostly in the 80s and 90s. Around the time when they were really really extra pushing college for everyone. It became the public mindset that the only way to be a success was to go to college, it did not matter what degree they got, just that they had to have one. and anyone who did not get a degree was the lowest rung on the social ladder, and was never going to make more than minimum wage.While at the same time most of society started looking down on non-professional level jobs as the dumping grounds for either low intelligent people, losers who don't want to get a "Real Job" or drug addicts that cannot do any better. So retail jobs transformed from decent paying jobs that one could make into a career and own a house and support a family, to the dregs that only losers and stupid people take on.Corporate was all too happy to embrace this since it meant that they can drop all benefits, retirement pensions and health care from all their retail chain employees and it was socially acceptable to the public to do that.
>>153931840She is notoriously hard to work with or for. And she tends to ragequit most of her jobs after a short while. She will never ever grasp that though, and always fall back on assuming X studio just hates women.
>>153931351>Most people who lived and still live dedicated their lives mainly survive, most never had the chance of pursuing art full time.I'm not saying that the world should mourn for artists who have to get a job in a restaurant. It seems like most anons think that artists deserve it because they never deserved to live off of art in the first place. I'm saying that just because someone is mourning the loss of their career doesn't mean they're looking down on whatever other work they can get. I'm not speaking for Nico. I don't know him and I can't say how he personally feels about gas station attendants. I'm simply trying to correct the perspective that all artists are entitled nepo babies who are finally gettting what's coming to them because they've never had to have a real job before. And that having a moment of vulnerability because you're struggling with the idea of having to leave one job for another does not indicate that you look down on other people who have been working those jobs all along.
>>153931691If mommy and daddy’s money ran out even good Christians would think that about you.>>153931623Yeah and they hold social formation with the outspoken ones to the degree that if you don't talk and think like them it ruins your chances of holding a job.That's why it's so satisfying for animation jobs to be ruined for industry folk, too
>>153931329>and then make the things you want in your spare time and upload them to youtube or tiktik, or whatever.that's not being an artist to them
>>153928991i know im supposed to feel sad for them but for the last 15 years animators online have been some of the biggest douchebags and faggots imaginable. they got what they deserved and for the actual talented ones i feel sorry for them
>>153931840That's the only thing about her that doesn't suck.
>>153931872Thing is, with Nico everyone is very aware that he is looking down on them, a lot. So he's more the exception to the rule.
>>153931623Okay, but now the industry is basically dead, so can the "silent majority" now come out against these retards when they spout shit, or will they continue to just sit there silently "getting along to go along" as the industry shifts to "indie" (same shit, different name) so the "silent majority" can continue to pretend that they played no part in the death of their industry?
>>153931492>"Starving artist" has been a meme forever,Yeah, but it often hasn't been true. J. C. Leyendecker had a large New York home and hosted lavish parties, and other golden age illustrators were similarly well off. It's not even that it can't be a career, it's that suits don't want to pay for animation, plain and simple. On to of the decades old "animation is for kids" boomer mindset, they also don't see any reason to pay for anything decent when low effort slop like South Park and Family Guy make more money anyways. Animation had never expended it's audience in America like it did in Japan, which means anime now occupies demographics that western animation never moved in to, and so even if one of these dipshit suits acknowledged the demand, they're not going to try to make animation for that demographic because competing with anime is going to be a non-starter because of how fucked the western system of animation is.
>>153931443>Does the majority of the population squat and steal food?No. There are homeless people obviously who live on the streets and beg for food/money, but the majority of those "ghetto people" have jobs. Their entire family (sometimes generations) crams into a small apartment and EVERYONE works to contribute to finances. Everybody also doesn't live in the most expensive areas. Usually, the more of a pain in the ass it is to get to the metro areas, the cheaper it is to live there. So people live in those cheaper neighborhoods which may require 2 hours of transit just to get to work (not kidding...I know someone who travels 2 hours to and from work...so 4 hours a day of just transit), or a long walk to a bus and then 2 subway trains. >inb4 "why don't they just move?"1) moving is fucking expensive. Just renting a truck to move your shit to another city or state is very expensive. Getting a new apartment is expensive...a lot of places require first and last months rent plus a security deposit and if you're working with a broker (which, in some places, is pretty much required), that's another month of rent. Plus, looking for new places requires a luxury of time to search and look at places. People with multiple jobs don't really have such a thing as "time off". If you're living hand to mouth and barely scraping by, picking up and moving somewhere cheaper isn't really an option. It's pretty easy to get trapped. 2) big cities have more employment opportunities. If you make your living as a housekeeper, you want to live somewhere where a lot of people need housekeepers so you can constantly work. You can move out to the middle of nowhere where your nearest neighbor is miles away, but where the fuck do you work?
>>153928991>its like the 9/11 for animators weirdosyou hate to see it
>>153928991>was studying Animation at college 4 years ago.>decide “nah” and switched to LawsI’m never regretting this decision.
>>153928991>>153929056the xeets that saved co
>>153932008Why don't the artists who move to the city to get into the industry move in the ghettos?
>>153931492>"Starving artist" has been a meme forever"Starving artist" typically referred to people who were trying to make a living off of their actual personal art. Animation is an industry job (not referring to the animation industry but Industry as in part of the industrial complex). "Artists" typically took on non-artistic gigs like sign painting, design, ad work, animation, etc, which could make use of the skills they honed for their actual art for gainful employment. There's a level of artistry that people bring to those crafts, but at the end of the day you're following orders from your boss to make something that isn't yours. It gets hazy because colloquially people refer to animators as "artists" as well as people who make paintings that sell in galleries as "artists", but it's almost two different uses of the same word. For quite awhile, "starving artist" would refer to people who refused to get industry jobs and were trying to make it by selling their poetry or paintings or whatever. But the savvy people who knew their craft well enough to be able to adapt to commercial use could find work in ads, film, tv, design, etc. Things have shifted in recent years where now it's almost expected that people work several jobs so they can essentially work for free doing this sort of industrial work which, for previous generations, was the work they did on the side of their personal art. People still try to pursue animation full time because the idea that it could be an okay paying job that made use of your specialized skills still persists. And until recently, it was true.
Think I could launch a syndicated cartoon with a hundred episodes and tie-in merch that enters the public consciousness for generations to come? Nah, I'm a white guy.
>>153929102And all the ethnic ones pretend to come from opressed working class families who jumped the fence just to survive when they were born in fucking Cancún
>>153928991Lmao sure it's executive meddling and not turning animation into a tumblr estrogen factory that alienates men once they're out of preschool shit.You get what you fucking deserve retards
>>153931711>you never ever know how long you might go between jobs, so you want to take any gig you candude, I went through a long dry spell last year and dug up as much work as I possibly could. The thing is (as you know) a lot of gigs tend to be delayed so you sign up for stuff, but sometimes it takes a few months (or years) for things to actually get rolling. Unfortunately a lot of stuff I signed on for has been coming due at the same exact time so I've been frantically working to keep up. At this point I'm burning out pretty hard (which is why I'm wasting time here instead of getting my next project done...need to blow off steam). But as much as I really need a break and can't wait to get through this chunk of jobs, I know that as soon as I'm done I'm going to immediately transition into panicking about not having more stuff lined up.
>>153932139Except you are wrong. There is no difference between them. It's still peddling something that has no societal meaning or value whatsoever and trying to grift an income instead of getting an actual job.
>>153931964Leyendecker had the benefit of working in an era before other artists had watered down the medium into simple shapes, to such a degree that he could be replaced by any rando on the street pushing out Corporate Memphis shit.
>>153929132>Isn't it because kids stopped watching cartoons, so there's no way to make money off of it anymore? That's less greed and moreYou forgot the part where the people involved chased off kids and audiences alike by pushing gay race communism.
>>153932207When I was freelance I basically did not live. I worked, stored any pennies I had away out of fear of going too many months without a gig, and when I had a gig I basically worked every single waking hour of the day and into the night to completion. I was either working 12-14 hours a day or never ever leaving the house at all and refusing to spend money on anything not immediately necessary. It was no way to live since I never had any kind of a life to begin with during that.
>>153932171>Nah, I'm a white guy.So is Goose, and that didn't stop him.
>>1539317231) because the other ones are too busy working to post on the internet. 2) a lot of them have private profiles that only their IRL friends can see because they're smart and want to keep their private lives private3) a lot of artists only use social media to post their work and work of their friends. Those don't get any traction on /co/ because anons are addicted to drama. People will make threads about the Alex Hirsch's hot take on politics, not on the nice drawing someone posted without comment.
>>153931842Also the general quality of service in those industries plummeted.
>>153931767Her husband has also tried pitching several original ideas, but the only things networks wanted was a Fosters Home reboot for preschoolers and a PPG reboot.
>>153932197>and not turning animation into a tumblr estrogen factory that alienates men once they're out of preschool shit.They will never admit this, even le silent majority™ will continue to play stupid when wondering why people don't care about cartoons anymore and why the industry is dying.Let it die I say, these people would rather go homeless than admit that it's their own fault that the industry is dead.
>>153931862>She is notoriously hard to work with or forThis has been circulating on /co/ for awhile, but I haven't seen any actual proof of it aside from what people infer since she tends to stay on projects short term and had a few cancelled. I wonder if the allegations are actually based on fact or if this is something that anons say because they heard other anons say it.
>>153932209Thank god for market capitalism so we don't have to live and die by "societal meaning"
>>153928991Execs are cancer but so often I am reminded that these people have almost good ideas and barely anyone creative and more or less just appeal to the SSRI crowd to get by. And even then that ends up failing and no one but those retards watch it and it ends up getting canceled.
>>153932197/threadFor how shit a decade this has been watching all these faggots lose everything that more than made up for the bullshit. Fuck these people. I hope life rapes them harder and harder until they all rope.
>>153931919>So he's more the exception to the ruleRight, but then anons will look at that and instead of saying "fuck Nico", they say "fuck artists". If he's the exception to the rule then I think it's reasonable that he should be treated as such.
>>153932245goose cut his cock off as a sacrifice to the commiefornians. Without that he doesnt get ahead in the game.
>>153928991>Now I and about 95% of the people I know get to work at grocery stores and gas stationsI thought there was nothing wrong with working at grocery stores and gas stations, aren't xitter commies supposed to think that?
>>153929572>>153929582>>153929624You people have problems.
I had a voice actor refuse to take up work from me because the first thing she thought of doing is not check the script I sent here, but instead scour my entire YouTube and Twitter page for whether I said anything that could be seen as "offensive" at all then she did and replied to me with some passive-aggressive e-mail about how I need to do "better" if I have any aspirations for working in the entertainment industry then said if she were to associate with me, it would "harm" her career.None of that mattered because the shit she was pointed at me saying that was "offensive" was never pointed at or even mentioned by anyone else but her alone. (It was me making a joke about Mickey Mouse being a child rapist, cause, you know, Disney allows trannies to get into the girls bathrooms at their parks and risk having them rape little girls) These retards desire to find more things and reasons as to why to be angry and not accept job offers for than they care about about getting hired and paid.Needless to say, not even a month later after that interaction, I saw a post from her literally BEGGING to be hired for some new roles because she's very close to being eligible for healthcare benefits from SAG-AFTRA... thing she never once had from them before for her entire 10 years of being part of the union because, you know, she didn't have enough roles under her belt and didn't reach the required "threshold" for them to consider her worth wasting extra money and resources on to give health benefits to.It just genuinely annoys me that these people are willing to sabotage themselves like this but then immediately turn around to cry victim and say how life is so unfair and that they never get that one big opportunity that could catapult them into the spotlight, even though they might have had it countless of times before but rejected it like a retard.The industry as it is right now just seems completely fucked. Idk how people are willing to continue putting up with this.
>>153931329>But they to to pursue their passionFor most people, doing storyboard work on someone else's show is not a passion. It's a gig. You can be passionate about drawing and passionate about storytelling in general, but when you board for some preschooler princess show, it's not the sum total of your ambition. It's a job. And when that is your job, you often need to live where the jobs are. If you just want to make animation for passion, then sure - live in a shack in Arkansas and save a TON of money. The reason people live in LA is because they're looking for work that pays.
>>153931962>can the "silent majority" now come out against these retards when they spout shitPeople who aren't spouting shit on social media are largely not paying attention to social media. It seems hard to believe if that's your whole world (which it seems might be the case). So when someone like Nico Colaleo says something stupid, the people who will tend to see it are other people who are on twitter to say stupid shit. The other people are like going on hikes or playing tabletop games and shit.
>>153929563>Is this nigga implying that grocery store workers are lesser than them?Yes, but if you ask them this directly to their faces they will bend over backwards trying to say it's not what they meant despite the fact that there is literally no other way to interpret it.The same retards who will whinge about how a part time fry cook with a 16 IQ should be making $50/hr so they can afford to buy a house while contributing nothing to society will immediately go apeshit if you tell them their "art" doesn't make them too good to do the same job.
>>153932404If you have to pay your entire salary to live where the job is, you're not doing a job, you're working for free.
>>153932426>People who aren't spouting shit on social media are largely not paying attention to social media.That also applies to the audience, so I'm not sure why you even mentioned this.It's not like people stopped watching cartoons because of retards on social media, it's just that people here on /co/ feel no sympathy because we see that western artists tend to act like cunts.
>>153932364Modern leftists despise the working class because they support icky things like human rights and don't all want to live in cramped dirty cities.
>>153931443average household debt is $100,000
How do we eradicate new literalism? It ruined Hollywood as a whole.
>>153932125Because those places tend to be dangerous, especially if you own shit like a nice computer and a wacom tablet. Also, like I said, the commute can be insane and a lot of animation jobs still require you to be on premises or, at the very least, attend screenings, events, etc that are in metro areas. ALL that said, artists DO tend to live in less expensive neighborhoods, but rent is still pretty high. They have roommates, but still want to have their own bedroom instead of stacking bunk beds. Trust me, if you're making ends meet as an artist, you get really good at figuring out how to scrimp and save. I'm still mad that dried beans and rice increased in price during covid and have never quite recovered. A 1lb sack of dried chickpeas used to be like $0.49 and could cook several meals. Now it's $2.50 - $3.50.
>>153932343>>153932197>>153932314Couldn't agree more, while I know that not all american animators/artists are the same tumblr idiots from calarts, a very good chunk are,, i mean just look at their posts on twitter and bluesky.It's very hard to feel sympathy for them
>Animation is funded by being glorified toy commercials>Evolves to still be marketable with merch and ads>Alternatively evolves to be a universe with a ton of potential media like games, comics, as well as merch>Uh oh commercials are gone>Uh oh we're not marketable for merch>Goes underIt sucks but it's so expensive you're either doing slave labor or you're selling merch, or you're milking it hard. It's always been everything but the animation that's made it sustainable outside massive theatrical releases, which, even then had merch. Even Pokemon, biggest franchise in the world, is mostly merch.
>>153931443>Does the majority of the population squat and steal food?Literally yes, look up homelessness statistics for California, and specifically LA.
>>153932437I mean, retail and fast food workers are in fact inferior
>>153932426Welcome back to another episode of everyone’s favorite marxist game show “Playing Dumb To Avoid The Point” the only game show faker and gayer than the ignorance its contestants show. Let’s see what we have before us today. This anon here is trying to make it seem as if all the things the other anon said is exclusive to social media and that no one cares and just does other shit. He will get points for the blatant lie on that well as well as a bonus for trivialization. Oh but what’s this folk?! He mentioned tabletop games? That’s another bonus thanks to our recent promotion from Wizards of the Coast and the Pinkerton Detective Agency remember the Beholders are fake (and gay) but our legal team is very real.
>>153932485American debt culture is fascinating to me.The idea that if you can't afford something you don't need, then you simply either save up, or don't get it, seems to be a completely foreign concept.
>>153932008>You can move out to the middle of nowhere where your nearest neighbor is miles away, but where the fuck do you work?Wherever there's an open job you retard, housekeeper is not such a specialized profession that switching careers would be a life-shattering endeavor.
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>>153932209>something that has no societal meaning or valuebut it does. Entertainment is a commodity so much so that communities like /co/ spring up specifically to talk about the media you consume. Magazines are built around it. "Award season" exists for it. And celebrities in that world (mostly actors) are held up like royalty. Entertainment is an industry just like any others and in order to sell shit, they need something to sell. The "artists" are the people who make those raw materials. If I'm drawing my own shit, it's reasonable to expect that I won't get paid for it. If I'm drawing shit for some preschooler "I Spy" show that a network is making bank on, I expect to be able to make a livable wage doing it.
>>153932574I can not fathom going into debt. I use credit because of credit scores but I never spend more than I can cover and I find it insane that people do.
lol
>>153932574That's not even remotely a uniquely American phenomenon at this point, that's just how modern consumer-driven economies function because advertisers realized retards will go into crippling debt for any new shiny thing if you offer them a 30% APR loan to cover it.
>>153932526>new literalismQRD?
>>153932548I don't disagree, but these people are supposed to on paper.
>>153932244I've been doing the same thing and have been wondering if this is really what I want out of life. I spent so long trying to get to where I am that I'm a little worried giving it up would be a mistake, but I either have a gig and am working nonstop to try to get it in on time (and overdeliver so I can "wow" people enough to make a good impression and hopefully get more work), or I'm working nonstop trying to dig up my next job. Like...what the fuck am I even doing anymore?
>>153929056Imagine if these people spent half as much effort working on their animation as they do bitching online about other people being successful.
>>153932437>The same retards who will whinge about how a part time fry cook with a 16 IQ should be making $50/hr so they can afford to buy a house while contributing nothing to society will immediately go apeshit if you tell them their "art" doesn't make them too good to do the same job.Id rather have the fry cook make a show, he probably has more interesting ideas than them.
>>153932364Not if your work is what your worth
>>153931070But anon according to 4chan zooomerrrrssss badddd and leecheeesssss!!!
>>153932396How many times are you going to copy/paste this?
>>153932139>It gets hazy because colloquially people refer to animators as "artists" as well as people who make paintings that sell in galleries as "artists", but it's almost two different uses of the same word.What the fuck are you talking about you retard, "artist" has always just meant person who makes art, that's a catch-all for illustrators, painters, sculptors, animators, novelists, poets, musicians, etc.Retard.
>>153932574Neither do I, it's retarded that shit like>>153932593 credit scores are necessary at all, for fuck sake the fact that I never go into debt should be the best qualifier for a loan.
>>153932595I don't get it. Why would that hurt his career?
>>153932630>I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
>>153932595It's funny how this happens in the west, meanwhile in Japan you've got big name established VAs doing voiceover work in a bargain-bin horny /ss/ reverse rape anime made on a budget of a cup of instant ramen per day.
>>153932671Because he said no-no words in the internet to make men laugh.The industry can't have no-no words nor happy men, having both is a big sin for these people.
>>153932574If you're retarded sure. In reality the debt is for things people actually need and that's the entire issue. People like (((you))) keep spouting this nonsense that all debt is just idiots who have no impulse control buying fast food and fornight skins when in reality it's food and essential items and unexpected expenses.
>>153932462>That also applies to the audience, so I'm not sure why you even mentioned this.what? that doesn't even make sense in the context of the conversation. >people here on /co/ feel no sympathy because we see that western artists tend to act like cunts.that's like if a non-animation fan spent time on /co/ and then thought that everyone who watches animation thinks that there's nothing wrong with fucking 16 year olds. I think the reasonable assumption would be more that while there seem to be a lot of creeps on /co/, it's not representative of the overall community of animation fans.
>>153932396>I had a voice actor refuse to take up work from me because the first thing she thought of doing is not check the script I sent here, but instead scour my entire YouTube and Twitter page for whether I said anything that could be seen as "offensive"Hate to say it but she got her priorities right. This shit matters far more than the quality of your work. Let's be honest people have no taste or sense of quality. They only care about porn and politics.
>>153932396God what an idiot, cannot wait fir AI to get good enough to replace VAs
>>153932578>housekeeper is not such a specialized profession that switching careers would be a life-shattering endeavor.sounds like you don't appreciate the specialized skillsets of good housekeepers. Maybe you and Nico have a lot in common.
>>153929358If you have the drawing skills, you need to start taking furry commissions. I'm lucky enough to be working in the industry, but I wouldn't be able to make ends meet without some side coin from the furries.
>>153932593If you're not so retarded that you spend more money than you have, achieving an 800 credit score while getting literal free money in the form of cashback rewards and paying little to no interest on your balance is so god damned easy it's insane. I did it while making less than $12/hr back in the 2010s, you have to be an actual unironic retard to fuck it up.
>>153932716Unless you do actual criminal shit like rape or murder someone or groom children, I don't see what the issue would be so bad that you deny work in a competitive space like that.
>>153932714>what? that doesn't even make sense in the context of the conversation.Sure it does, the context was that people here have no sympathy for artists because artists in the west are perceived by people online as cunts, largely due to the behavior of artists online.The problem is that the primary cartoon-watching audience these days is literal babies watching baby shows on Youtube and terminally-online teenagers/adults.No one outside of these two groups is still watching cartoons, outside of maybe some of the more normal people watching animated sitcoms like Simpsons, Family Guy, American Dad, etc. etc.>that's like if a non-animation fan spent time on /co/ and then thought that everyone who watches animation thinks that there's nothing wrong with fucking 16 year olds.Anon...the age of consent is 16.
>>153932716>Hate to say it but she got her priorities right. This shit matters far more than the quality of your work.And this is why cartoons in the west are dying.
>>153932688Probably, my father knew of a guy that was some sort of aeronautical savant that worked in the equivalent of a bodega because he liked talking with people in the store more than the dimwits he meet in college.Weird people like that do exist.
>>153929056This but unironically because the old industry did it while being evil and stupid too.
>>153932171I find it interesting how animation is effectively gate kept to the point where unless you’re willing to humiliate yourself for a bunch of soulless corporate retards and culture psychos you can’t really get anywhere in the modern industry. I mean it’s obvious that it was never really about being a skilled artist or whatever since studios were always going to dominate and even the indie scene remained mostly obscure to all but the enthusiasts. But now there is so much extra bullshit and even if you manage to balance along the tight rope someone will come for you anyway or your show will be shit because it’s utterly sanitized dogshit made to appeal to a specific subset of society, no one can do anything actually creative or interesting in terms of story so it’s just copying anime and having the characters have a group cry session, or one of them “calls out” the antagonist by reading the writers notes and turns the whole thing into a struggle session. Even the fucking indie scene can’t escape this bullshit now and it’s more just the same shit masquerading as independent. You’re better off just pushing porn or whatever until you can scrounge enough to put together something decent from one of the crowdfunding sites and hope you can manage to not fuck it up before you make something worthwhile.
>>153932671Because he's retarded and made it up. He pretty all but says "trust me bro" right there in his explanation, he's just rationalizing reasons why his career failed that aren't his fault.The guys from TFS have literally been cast in official DB projects because of their work on DBZA.
>>153932713Yeah, I'm sure the retards who take out loans to go to Disneyland 5 times a year really needed those trips to get by.And god forbid they get a an actual job instead of taking loans so they can pursue their dream of becoming a pet numerologist.
>>153932574You’ve been very fortunate
>>153929102Yeah
>>153929342Incomes in Los Angeles county is notoriously hyper-bimodal. Mean income in the county is in excess of $100K, but the median individual income is hovering around $55K; the top quartile account for 60% of all household income in the county. In other words, there's a lot of people earning obscene amounts of money and a lot of people earning very little. Jobs like animation fall within the almost non-existent middle income range. Full general animators at most studios can expect to earn something in the $65-75K range, more if they're a senior position, but more realistic entry level positions, people doing cleanup, in-betweens, etc., earn closer to $50-60K, which is still above the median income in the US, but doesn't go far in a county where gas is $6.50/gal and the median rent for a studio apartment is $2500/mo.
>>153932738Don't you understand how things work? A competitor can point out you worked for Anon who said a bad thing in 2018 and any employer will want to take distance from you because itś bad rep. Literally everything about this society is about being politically compliant and even accidentally associating with the wrong person will end your career unless you're one of the really rich kids (who always bounce back).Why do you think they only hire oppressed minorities? They are harder to cancel
>>153932716It might be profitable in the short term but times change and once that political pandering is out of vogue you will have to face the fact that people have no respect for you.That's why people celebrate animation artists losing their jobs
>>153932787Not really. I just learned to live without things I didn't need, even if I really wanted them.
>>153932294Services plummeted around the time everyone everywhere including their own supervisors stopped looking at service employees as professionals in a career field, and started looking down on them as no college, uneducated fucking losers. Lowered all pay so only the lower level people who need cash will take the jobs, and everyone treated them like slaves worth all the abuse.
>>153932595Parody work doesn't hurt your career. The creators of Teen Titans Go, the Breadwinners, Thundercats Roar, Universal Basic Guys, and Star Vs all got their start on MAD
>>153932666>person who makes artYour confusing the definition of "art". A novelist can use their skills to write copy for a technical manual, but the manual is not art. That's separate from the fictional book they wrote which is. A musician can use their skills to record and clean up audio from a speech someone gives. That recording is not art. Their music is. Same goes for illustrators/painters designing signs and ads, sculptors making toys, etc. There can be artistic merit to the work these people do, but the end result is a creative asset for a job. It's not art.
>>153932529>Also, like I said, the commute can be insane and a lot of animation jobs still require you to be on premises or, at the very least, attend screenings, events, etc that are in metro areas.Is it impractical or illegal to live in a caravan or motorhome in LA and NYC?>I'm still mad that dried beans and rice increased in price during covid and have never quite recoveredYour pain is my pain.
>>153932713>when in reality it's food and essential items and unexpected expenses.[citation needed]
>>153932827>A competitor can point out you worked for Anon who said a bad thing in 2018 and any employer will want to take distance from you because itś bad rep.So just ignore them.This shit is why western entertainment as a whole is dying, instead of just hiring people who are talented, companies fire them because of some retarded trending hashtag calling them racist or some stupid bullshit.I can't even blame corpos for this shit, because the indie scene also does this exact same shit, arguably even more than the corpos did.
>>153932671I don't know this person specifically, but a lot of people might not take a youtuber as seriously.
>>153932852What the fuck are you on about you psychotic retard, you implied that "artist" means someone who paints pictures, which is retarded.
>>153932623That's kind of the thing, it also feel like some kind of trap almost. How when working freelance gigs it always feels like you are on the cusp of something big and amazing. Like yeah, you are barely getting by now, but any day now that amazing gig will pop up that will lead directly into a high paying studio job and everything will be amazing from there on out. Like that big life changing event is only ever two weeks away...for the last 6 years.
>>153932828>once that political pandering is out of vogueIt's never gonna end, anon. It's been over for like 20 years. the new generations are such brainwashed drones it's unreal
>>153932741>Anon...the age of consent is 16.found the creeper. And thanks for proving my point
>>153932830You have been very fortunate, because you can’t imagine anything else.
>>153932890I like how you didn't address the rest of my post.And now you know why we celebrate when you suffer.
>>153932897>You're fortunate because you're not retarded enough to take out loans for things you don't needI guess you're technically correct, but not in the way you intent.
>>153932741k y s pedo scum
>>153932853>Is it impractical or illegal to live in a caravan or motorhome in LA and NYC?actually living in them is not illegal as far as I know, but parking is another issue. Also, it's sort of like getting a large blinking neon sign that says "ROB ME".
>>153932368It's not completely wrong, but also not completely correct either. It's more screeching through the lens of the typical 4chan halfwit that only knows some rumors and then sticks their own political paranoia in there for some extra conspiracy theory.Around 2018-2019 they basically formed up a large group that made sure that the only students that got any kind of a chance were girls in their independent training programs. Since all studios dropped all their training programs completely, there was no actual channel to enter into the industry at all. And since networking was the only means, this independent mentorship program paired working professionals with students did exactly that. But it was for white girls only.
>>153932868We're not going to see eye to eye. I don't think this is worth continuing.
>>153932890Not that guy, but given how often it is repeated you learn that through osmosis.You will learn a lot of retarded shit through osmosis like that if you stay in here, especially about animal anatomy because some people care too much about things no one should care.
>>153932890>Following the law is creepyNext you're going to tell me that coffee is for druggies.
>>153932713No, as someone who works in financial loans and auditing, most people's debt is because of stupid shit they bought and did when they were in their 20s that's now following them into their 30s, 40s, and 50s, because that's how fucking debt works.These people make shitty, retarded financial decisions when they're young, then have the gall to bitch about the consequences that they were warned about when they show up later in life.It's one thing to be paying debt on a house, but when I see something like a retarded 21 year old dropping $80k on an F150 because they TOTALLY need that fucking monstrosity to drive 20 minutes to their shitty sales job on the outskirts of Charlotte, that's when I lose all sympathy.The vast majority of Americans with crippling debt are in debt because of poor purchasing decisions they made as young adults, not because they needed to open a new line of credit to buy food or pay their rent (those people usually end up resorting to BNPL or shady payday loans because their credit is already too shit).
>>153932917You’re fortunate to be able to take for granted no scenario other than that is willing to enter your imagination. It reflects an experience the average american does not have.
>>153932426>People who aren't spouting shit on social media are largely not paying attention to social media. It seems hard to believe if that's your whole worldTrying to get twitter-addicts to understand this simple fact is probably the most difficult thing in this universe. I know a couple people who will constantly just casually in conversation bring up some kind of recent twitter drama involving literally whos that nobody has ever heard of, and when asked what the fuck they're talking about, they will always act like the people around them are the weird ones for not having intimate knowledge of which tiktoker said a no-no word this week. Their brains do not function like normal peoples'.
>>153932864How do you make money? What kind of adult would buy merch for cartoons if not some politically deranged terminally online rich kid? Guess the politics of this person. If you're not selling merch then you need sponsorship and that means corposlop. If corpos want DEI and PC it means they make more money that way. Money comes from low IQ retards watching the ads or sheltered rich kids buying merch
>>153932396This is more a side effect of social media being the medium for advertising and getting almost every major role for the last 15 years. When all job talk moved to Twitter, then everyone looking, advertising, and landing any gig had to be a perfect Twitter member and then became subject to all the Twitter social norms. This had the later effect of the industry itself was locked to Twitter social norms.
>>153932965I have never in my life met a person living paycheck-to-paycheck who was not also an uber retard with their finances.
>>153932877yeah. I've been chasing that dangling carrot for awhile and it always seems like I'm getting closer, but it's still dangling in front of me just out of reach. But then I also have friends who seem to be moving forward and doing exciting things and I wonder if I quit and did something else, would I be happy watching that from the sidelines? I've made pursuing this such a lifelong goal that I'm honestly not sure what I'd have left to look forward to if I wasn't chasing this.
>>153932992Case in point lol
>>153932965>You’re fortunate to be able to take for granted no scenario other than that is willing to enter your imagination.Did you you not read the "things you don't need"? Or are you just deliberately being retarded?I didn't say taking loans is retarded. I said taking loans for shit you don't need is retarded.Next time read the posts you respond to.
>>153932982>TwitterA lot of them move on over to Bluesky now... How's that one supposed to work if the person hiring does not use that pedophile website at all or simply just knows now to hire someone that only uses that alone and Twitter no longer?
>>153932976>What kind of adult would buy merch for cartoons if not some politically deranged terminally online rich kid?Bro, a lot of the guys who go out and buy video games would also probably support cartoons if any cartoons that were made to appeal to them still actually existed.
>>153932957>Next you're going to tell me that coffee is for druggies.Nice attempt to change the subjectGo ahead and try to date a 16 year old. See how well that goes for you, creeper.
>>153933004>Uh, you just don't know what you're talking about sweaty>What about actual observed reality?>Checkmate, atheists.???
>>153932976I mostly agree with you in the modern day but historically people fucking loved Disney and Looney Tunes shit, like random people would just have Mickey Mouse and Bug Bunny stuff. Shirts, watches, posters, mugs, toys, clocks, whatever. And I am not talking Disney adult types but just your average joes.
>>153932881It will end because Jesus will kill them all.
>>153932784>>153932858>>153932961>but ai!Even a fucking basic google search says majority of debt is for basic necessities and unexpected expenses with yolo fomo spending and leisure travel being the least common. Per usual retards get their selective information from /pol/ bait threads and now assume everyone poor is a Disney adult wasting their money on funko pops.
>>153933030I can date a 15 year old.and nothing would happen, because it's legal in my country.>But I don't like it!Too fucking bad.
>>153933060Could you give me a source for your claim?
>>153933007You asked how people afford living expenses in the first comment, then switched to talking about things you don’t need when debt came up among the answers. Only 7% of household debt is credit card debt. But you have lived in such a different system and class you could only imagine one reason for it. You don’t have to read the posts you respond to but others might.
>>153932595>>153932671Because even though we keep saying the US does not have a class system, it actually totally has a class system in place. It's just very unofficial and goes by vibe and feeling more than anything. If one does X thing that is something everyone knows the lower class people do, you are assumed to also be in that lower class too and they want nothing to do with you. You have been discovered to be the Lower Bad People and you cannot get jobs because they only want the Higher Up People, not you! People have to curate everything they say and do to ensure they are projecting they are in the right caste for that job and lifestyle.This goes back to the earlier grocery bagger conversation in this same thread. Society considers grocery store bagger as lowest class undesirable. Then it becomes damn hard to crawl out of that caste since no one wants to hire some low class undesirable, they want cool high class winners! So for a lot of people it's better to just go hungry than to imitate the past times of a lower class individual or else they might be labeled as one too and lose all their mobility.
>>153932992>just sacrifice lol!Niggas honestly think it's that easy to just "down grade". Let alone, imagine telling someone with a straight face to just go live in a ghetto because it's cheaper while you pull yourself up by your boot straps.
>>153932976>What kind of adult would buy merch for cartoons if not some politically deranged terminally online rich kid? Guess the politics of this person.Right, so we circle back around to the industry dying because it was killed by the politics of the majority of artists in America.I warned people that this would be the end result of cancel culture, sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.
>>153932974Same thing with youtubers. I know a guy who's like "you'll never guess what Don did". Who the fuck is Don? Even people with more unique names like (I'm making this up) ferlenghetti169. It's weird when people drop that into casual conversation like not only is it assumed that I know who that is but am up to date on the most recent drama. >WHAT?! Anon, what rock have you been living under?! Their last video got 15 skadillion views!!!not all of us are into watching other people play video games and scream like a retard every time something happens
>>153932928I guess this explains why the industry has so many priviledged nepo babies in it. Everyone else is priced out of seeking employment in the field. Do companies know that they are losing so much potential workforce by having their studios in such expensive cities?
>>153932693In the US, someone with a reputation taking a lower level gig will hurt their career. It was a big problem in the 1950s and 60s when film actors would never ever take a TV role since that was considered a lower level job and might end their career. At the same time it was near impossible for a tv actor to break into film, since they were in the lower common man's cheap entertainment sector.
>>153933065>I can date a 15 year old.best of luck
>>153933133NTA but why not? Were you still a virgin at 15? 16? 20 and after?
>>153933060>A growing number of people are also accumulating credit card debt to pay for... ...travel and lifestyle purchases>Entertainment, clothing, and dining out are MAJOR contributes to credit card balances.>Driven by social media influence and feelings of FOMO, many people take on debt to fund vacations and experiences.
>>153933133He'll be fine, all he has to do is say he's Muslim and all the white women who'd normally bitch about it will just silently seethe about him fucking a 15 year old since they're too cowardly to stand up against a Muslim.
>>153933114>pull yourself up by your boot strapsI always thought it was odd that this statement is used so often to refer to materially improving your situation through hard work. The actual act of pulling yourself up by yanking on literal boot straps attached to your boots that you're currently wearing and standing in is impossible. Kind of seems to nod to the fact that the people who hand wave away any issues by telling people to do that are full of shit
>>153928991>Will the animation industry ever recover?They had over a decade to push for more remote positions for freelance and entry level grunt work but they needed to bottleneck the entire industry in the most insanely overpriced places to live to gatekeep the peasants out. These douchebags were fine without sourcing steady work to Korea so let them die on this hill.
>>153933123That’s every industry now after the 2008 crash It would still be better to have more productions and more jobs right now though than to spite the few still making it happen. Animation can’t catch a fucking break
>>153933100Tell me you’re a jeet without telling me you’re a jeet. No one gives a fuck if you bagged groceries if you can actually do the job you’re and do it well. Or at least that used to be the case before the retards were put in charge of hiring and all they care about is college paper and an ever shifting standard of experience.
>>153933192So what is your course of action?
>>153933060Besides not offering any actual source for your claim, what you did offer literally says people are spending on credit cards for shit they don't need lmao
>>153933239rape.
>>153933114>Niggas honestly think it's that easy to just "down grade".Downgrade what? Literally just stop doordashing chipotle on Klarna you fucking mongoloid.
We sent all of our manufacturing overseas 40 years ago so we could be a nation of artists, musicians, and actors, and we just threw that blessing down the drain
>>15393312390% of the retards complaining about the rent in LA work 100% remote and could be in buttfuck Idaho if they wanted to be.
>>153933187That's the literal joke. The phrase came from the great depression as a way to mock the elite who kept telling people that it was because they where lazy and to just work harder whil receiving zero help or compassion. Then boomers took it as a positive thing for some reason.
>>153933287china numba woan now
>>153928991>corporate meddling and executive greedHe ain't completely wrong but I'm sure being forced to live in states with extremely high CoL and pandering to a niece crowd that mostly exists on Tumblr also led to this outcome.
Is it wrong that I just hate poor people? I am a nationalist but honestly couldn't give a shit about poorfags, not even of my own raceI honestly don't see anyone below middle class as humanWhy can't everybody just be a doctor or engineer?
>>153933255Come at me, bro. My chocolate starfish is the bait of an anglerfish.
Jews are an evil, conniving bunch. They destroyed the housing market, the rental market in this country, and they will destroy everything you love. if money is involved, they will get involved.
>>153933288do you work freelance?
>>153933318Doesn't help that the whole phrase has lost its meaning because of retards who try to apply it to literally any common sense advice they're given.>Damn man I can't afford my rent this month>Have you thought about maybe buying groceries this month instead of paying $50 per meal on delivery?>Wow, okay, I guess I ought to just pull myself up by my bootstraps huh?This exact conversation happens so frequently these days it's insane.
>>153933187>>153933318I see significantly more people complain about the phrase than I've ever seen anyone actually use it.Then again, I don't exactly hang around American boomers.
>>153933348No, I have marketable skills.
>>153933341>Why can't everybody just be a doctor or engineer?Are you a doctor or engineer? If the last one, not in IT?
>>153933016Blue sky does not have the same reach at all due to not having a large enough population. It's basically a friend's club over there. Really nothing so far has the same level of reach that pre-Musk Twitter had. It had all the professionals, the executives, recruiters, and their close relatives on it at the same time. It was a lot easier to be an artist and get the attention needed to be able to get into a job if something posted was popular enough.
>>153929495Food Lion is not in California, he did move someplace cheaper but Food Lion just doesn't pay well. It's a grocery store that mostly exists in less affluent communities.
>>153933377>It was a lot easier to be an artist and get the attention needed to be able to get into a job if something posted was popular enough.As long as what was posted didn't enrage the psychotic progressives hanging all day there.Not much of a loss.
>>153933197...have you ever worked a job or interacted with a person in real life before?
>>153933369great, then you have absolutely no fucking idea how freelancers get work. Thanks for weighing in with your useless opinions though. I'm sure everyone will find your solution of "move to Idaho" very valuable.
>>153933341Why do Americans despise lower classes like this?Even wignats will throw poor whites under the bus I'm a poor white dude working at kroger and none of you faggots helped meWhy shouldn't I just side with the latinos?
>>153933358It's even happening in this thread. Leftist discorse is pretending they don't understand anything while rightoid discorse is them not listening and dismissing a person's feelings and having zero empathy, then acting surprised when no one gives a shit about them and gleefully watches them get eaten apart painfully.
>>153933409>...have you ever worked a job or interacted with a person in real life beforeAnon, this is /co/, you damn well know the answer to that question
>>153928991companies will not withdraw the use of AI, you either accept those terms or become a proud shitter who do nothing but complain in X how much your industry sucks, now with that been said why they always attack the artists and not the companies, don't take it wrong Jorge deserve to be called on his shit not for the use only but for being so vocal anti-AI. Now about the companies Amazon Prime is the major example of content slop nowaday not only in animation but with the last og productions they do. And feels like they always goes unscratched because people prefer to attack whatever other face there is in the topic around. All those artists/animators always cry about companies this and that but never says a name out loud because even them want to be hired someday. Today it was Jorge, who will it be next?
>>153933421>Why do Americans despise lower classes like this?PropagandaPoorly funded schools "My bubble is the world" mentality
>>153933377what he did to that app was absolutely horrendous, it was fine just the way it was
>>153933421By wignata do you mean TRS types, or groyer types?TRS gets so into working class stuff that they get flak for being too into it from rightoids
>>153933453Nah, Twitter was always shit, now it's still shit but has more people calling each other niggers.
>>153933453>what he did to that app was absolutely horrendousyes>it was fine just the way it wasThat site never recovered after Summer 2015
>>153933453>it was fine just the way it wasYeah, if only we could go back to publicly absolve women of any sort of abuse or crime.
>>153933453Nah, don't pretend I have a goldfish's memory, twitter before Musk was a hugbox.
>>153933421Because believe it or not being poor doesn’t make you a good person just like being rich doesn’t make you a good person.
>>153933421Because to be white means to have a wealthy spirit You spiritually cannot be white if you make less than 80k a yearBasically, if you live in an apartment, you are brown
>>153933016>>153933377People who had/have a large following on Twitter are largely still there. Some people moved 100% to BlueSky when Twitter controversies erupted, but engagement there is dog shit. For all the sound and fury, people who got lot's of engagement on Twitter are still using it because their posts get the most traction there. For networking purposes, Twitter and Instagram are still the most viable platforms. >that pedophile websiteAre you talking about BlueSky? That seems to be a common sentiment on /co/, but Twitter literally allowed people to generate CP with Grok. BlueSky is mostly people bitching about politics and those who never really had much of a foothold in Twitter trying to use the newness of the platform to plant their flag and grow their brand, but I think the pedo aspects are largely a fabrication.
>>153931862> She is notoriously hard to work with or forSource?
This thread is making me hungry, I'm gonna go to McDonalds and look for VAs and tweeners while I'm there.
>>153933421America was super lucky for the last 200 years. They had 2 continents of untapped resources and land for anyone to prosper on. Then durring the world wars, while they where involved, all the conflict was done on foreign soil, so when the wars where done that left America the only super power with any manufacturing infrastructure which they profited heavy off of. Now in modern times where everything and one is hyper connected most Americans can't fathom the idea of how a person in India they have never met or heard of can effect a person half way across the world.
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>>153933358I have never seen even a facsimile of that conversation in the wild. People don't typically come to the conclusion that they just need to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps. It's almost always a dismissive way to hand wave away another person's problem. At best, it can be a benign statement, but it's typically a malicious way of saying that whatever problems you have are your own damn fault.
>>153933567The reason they call bluesky the pedo place is because all the leftists and LGBT left for bluesky, which of course many of them got ousted as pedos while twitter right wingers continue to either not be caught, or their accusations coming out as false.
>>153928991time to get a real job, hit the oil rig tranny!!!
>>153933453>it was fine just the way it was
We did it guys! We defeated consumerism! We defeated the idolatry of company mascots and the cult of apple!
>>153933578There isn't one. Anons have been saying this for years and the closest you'll find to an actual source is the fact that Lauren has left a few shows before they were completed which anons baselessly interpret as "she was being a bitch". That, and she's made some spicy comments on twitter about wage gaps which is the sort of thing that tends to piss anons off. In short, the source is "dude...you can tell".
>>153933421I don't want to fo full /pol/ but it's basically because of protestant values.You know the kind of values that twist themselves so people can flaunt their jewelry to each other when they are supposed to fast and not be prideful, they literally made amendments to their religion to accommodate peacocking on each other and mock the lesser rather than try to be humble like other Christian denominations.If it wasn't for exceptionalism and manifest destiny I honestly believe protestantism would have destroyed america under its own weight a century ago.You can trace a lot of hypocrisy and excesses of the Americans to protestants, there I said it no more politics for today.
>>153933368American boomers use it commonly to dismiss everything. I'm sure your country has a similar phrase though.
>>153933649So you made it up. Got it.
>>153933634>I have never seen even a facsimile of that conversation in the wild.You're the retard in that conversation, so I'm not surprised you can't remember.
>>153933649Because the leftists ARE the pedos. Any accusation of anyone on the right being one is nothing but 100% projection from a lying leftist that cannot really grasp the concept of being in a position of authority and somehow not diddling kids. It's too far outside their worldview and everyone they associate with.
>>153933691Yet they somehow have the Amish and Mormons who don't have this problem.
>>153933809>>153933786based.
>>153933691Sounds like an American issue.Over here in Europe the common joke is that Protestants hate wealth and flaunting of it, and everything has to be boring and simple, meanwhile the catholic church is literally a gold and jewel encrusted palace fit for a heavenly king.
>>153933787Mormons aren't Christians in the first place >ButThey are pretty much White Alawites
>>153933835Protestants were originally basically the Salafists of Europe They legit acted like building a statue of any Saint was demonic much like how Ibn Tamiyyah chimped out at Shrines It's actually hilarious how Calvinism is actually more extreme than the Average Salafist if we compare Theology alone
>>153932197Still can't believe CN approved this schlock
>>153933893It's actual early pitch was pretty fun, especially with Steven being more willing to be an asshole People hate to admit it but the creators of these wholesome chungus shows were fucked hard by "think of the kids" conservatives
>>153932396VAs like her and Sean Schemel are gay and retarded.
>>153933918The actual show WAS fun until retarded storyboarders made the show about boring shit that no one cares about from season 2B onward.
>>153933178Muslims will just stab you to death then go to heaven for it.
>>153933918>People hate to admit it but the creators of these wholesome chungus shows were fucked hard by "think of the kids" conservativesWeird, because they went on to make the exact same boring chungus garbage even without corpos, and most of what they made before the corpos hired them was like that as well.
>>153928991Every industry is collapsing. A healthy economy can support things like animation. This is an economy about a handful of people collecting wealth until everything collapses.
>>153933918>People hate to admit it but the creators of these wholesome chungus shows were fucked hard by "think of the kids" conservativesThey "hate to admit it" because it's a retarded delusion you made up in your head.One of the most common problem people bring up about SU, fans and haters alike, is that it went too far in promoting progressive values, which resulted in twisted and idiotic morals and messages. Fusion turned into a metaphor for sex with minors, the messianic figure that was Rose turned out to be just a narcissistic slut and of course Steve himself was way too whiny and naive/idiotic even for a child his age.Conservatives, if they had a say at all, aren't the ones who made the protagonist so spineless that he forgave Pastel-colored Hitlers of everything.
>>153933893153933893<<They used the same logic for the post fan story matrix movies. >>153931225Okay Peridot follow my lead here. Not the periodic lead the item going around revwhomdesuka held by my austere self we skip through a timeline where u ∆& jasper grabbed lapis and defected to a third party for the sanity of the empire noticeably time tunnel scene swiping during episodes to Steven universe future just in time for the after spinel rewind cataclysm. Featuring Marshal Lee and the first person turned down by Rinacat as onyx and abalone and it goes in the startekvoyager >#! Pink text back played full emojisan gnitca. Then we meet Abalone for the 1st time. Lion what's up with the knowing body language is golion in town?
>>153932770>DBMaybe that is a hint anon. Think about it.
>>153933865Kek. Not that anon but I'm stealing that comparisonqnd claiming it as my own. Very accurate
>>153934039I don't think it should be surprising that the corpos hired wholesome chungus people with boring wholesome chungus ideas because of the belief that animation could only ever be for children and thus needed to be wholesome chungus. So yeah, 'Think of the kids' had long term, downstream effects.
>>153934111That's a weird statement to make considering some of the raunchiest, grossest, most controversial cartoons came out before most of these chungus types were even old enough to be in the industry.
I don’t really understand what anons want from the animation industry. If you get based epic conservatives making a show, it’s just going to be Mr Birchum.
>>153933120>Same thing with youtubers. I know a guy who's like "you'll never guess what Don did". Who the fuck is Don? Even people with more unique names like (I'm making this up) ferlenghetti169. It's weird when people drop that into casual conversation like not only is it assumed that I know who that is but am up to date on the most recent drama.I know that feel anon. It's such an incredibly irritating thing and it's everywhere because every environment on the internet now has these small VIPs everyone knows about while I don't give a single shit
>>153933341>Why can't everybody just be a doctor or engineer?Engineering is suffering bad in the modern job market. Dunno about doctors.
>>153932396Anyone looking to work in the animation industry is going to hesitate to work with someone who jokes about kids getting raped. The splash back would be ruinous. It's not about worrying about other idiots on Twitter, it's that as soon as execs get a whiff that you may work with someone (past or present doesn't matter to them) who posts offensive shit like that, they won't want to take the risk of working with you. Sure, the VA needed a gig, but in this case the reward of one job did not warrant the risk of torching an entire (potential) future career.
I used to be in the industry as just a board artists for a few things and can't find much work and have debated on doing a few classes out of the home during the summer for kids. I'm not the best animator, but can definitely teach a newbie the 12 principles. I have a large room I can turn into a small studio, teach kids how to do frame-by-frame animation, and maybe even get them to do the classic "flour sack" animation as a final film. I might get a couple of parents interested if its cheap enough, but I kind of wonder if its even worth deluding kids that this is anything more than a hobby. I've already had a few family members approach me about, "How to get into the industry?" or "What should my daughter put in her portfolio to apply for RISD?" and the cynical part of me wants to say, "Don't bother", but you know, that wouldn't work on me if someone said that to me. How can I give advice in how to pursue a career in art WITHOUT going to college when that's the only experience I have? I have no fucking clue how hard it is to get a job with zero connections. My teacher helped me get my first internship.
>>153934157>I don’t really understand what anons want from the animation industryWe want people to shut the fuck up about retarded shit on social media and just make good fucking shows.
>>153934157>you better like liberal slop!>or you WILL get gop slop!It's a retarded made-up dichotomy.Cartoons, yes even american cartoons, don't HAVE to be propaganda.>but everything is political!Right and every human is made of stardust.These retarded ideas are why murrica's animation and comic industry are in the gutter in the first place.
>>153934136Comedy Central wasn't aimed at kids. Cartoon Network, Nickelodeon, and Disney Channel are/were. Comedy Central never had to hire wholesome chungus people because that wasn't their brand.
>>153928991>destroyed by executive meddling and corporate greed>BTW this is a medium that outdated and too costly. Please, my craft needs a team of artists and another team to clean it up. I cannot produce anything without a six figure investment at the minimum.
>>153934157I want people to stop trying to make their epic woke shit, wether it's left or right woke.Make something good, and stop trying to push agendas.
It's time to admit that the 90s were just a weird period that's not gonna come back Once the "big three" started making in house stuff in somewhere like 2006 it was the start of it's death it's been a corpse since 2017 or so
>>153934157What I want is just a good show without forced tranny politics but I know that 99% of the population are mongoloid cumbrans who don't even care about what they watch but just wanna see what the designs turn out drawn off model by pornfags on patreon
>>153934195How do you make shows when execs aren’t funding shows? Every industry is dying and the global economy will collapse in our lifetime. Treating the animation industry collapsing as a unique phenomenon is retarded when you look at the greater scope of things.
>>153934157Me personally, I would like to see more shows like these
>>153934188perhaps you can do sliding scale payments, that might ease your discomfort
>>153934157I wish American conservatives could be like Japanese conservatives.Webm related was animated by a conservative who's currently on twatter railing against AIslop and "foreign spies in Japan trying to destroy our culture."
>>153934197It’s impossible to not place some amount of personal belief in a piece of fiction, and that is inherently political. Politics isn’t just race and fags. Even a great cartoon like Ed Edd and Eddy is about running scams. The issue has never been whether things are political. It’s about whether things are entertaining, but the CIA engineered the public to be idpol obsessed goy cattle so it’s not surprising that the only thing people talk about are retarded identity politics. Keep the retarded goys occupied.
All I know is I will sarcastically shit on incels who do nothing of value in the world for the joy they get for seeing creators out of work. I make their lives worse everyday because it brings me joys.Because nothing is pathetic than a self proclaimed virgin.
>>153929111I think it's systemic. That is to say I think these teachers unprofessional professors teach these students to be unprofessional. Typically it's their professors or mentors that are going to be telling them how to handle the stunt work style of the industry and how ro navigate it.
>>153934255By saying Trump should release the Epstein files?
>>153933544>Basically, if you live in an apartment, you are brownNah the real gross shit is poorfags living in a trailer/modular home/shed in parents' backyard>muh swamp coolah
>>153934248Gotta get the executives funding those then. Execs only want to fund beanmouth trash
>>153934255Literally Republicans ARE the pedophiles.
>>153934157I don't want animation to be this "LIBERAL VS CONSERVATIVE" proxy war. I just want storytellers to have more experience and inspiration in their lives other than secretly playing Pokemon during bedtime and watching Cartoon Cartoon Fridays. It's so fucking obvious these people have nothing to say and are super bored with their lives.
>>153933918>>153934031It was cute at first. I saw what they were doing with the underlying message of inclusion, diversity, and non-violent conflict resolution, but it was subtle enough that it was there to find without being obtrusive. At a certain point though, the show took a turn and started becoming much more overt in it's messaging which felt ham-fisted. I also got sick of every single major conflict getting resolved with Steven giving a speech and crying while everyone stared at him looking like they just got the sense shocked back into them.
>>153934265Japanese conservatives aren't eternally obsessed with "working class" brutalism like Americans areI sometimes feel like without Hashem's Chosen people and Black people you wouldn't have any interesting entertainment in America because WASPs are just anti art in general, and German Americans aren't any better
>>153934310Yes that’s what I said, but of course you need to ignore the other pedos of the uniparty as well in leftisms to keep trying to bank that I am a migger.
>>153934157We want a revival of german expressionist cinema
>>153934265Even in Japan most manga is clearly leftist. You get a couple pieces of conservative fiction, but it’s usually shit like angel cop which is delusional because it pretended the bubble was never going to pop, or stuff like fire force which ends up doing retarded shit like this.
>>153934317Dutch Americans are kind of artsy thoMakes me wonder who the fuck were England and Germany sending to the colonies
>>153934312The only way to get that is to have dozens of dozens of animation projects get approved because 99% of young people in the western world don’t have a life experience that goes beyond “stare at phone”
>>153934307why? is it cheaper? Seems there's more money potential in something like a boy's action cartoon than beanmouth. Like imagine if we had Invincible but without the extreme violence
>>153934355I’d love it if most media looked like The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari, but unfortunately we live in a world where things need to be ‘marketable’ to a ‘wider audience’
>>153934357>Even in Japan most manga is clearly leftist.LolLmaoI love when American leftists try to distance themselves from liberals when it comes time to criticize capitalism, but when it comes time to claim Japanese centrist liberals as leftists, suddenly liberal capitalism is leftist.
>>153934371Yes. Those files.Why won't Trump release the files and lock up those involved?I wonder.
>>153934312Rent’s too high for that
>>153934376It’s because teen titans go was popular and execs want another teen titans go or adventure time or Steven universe.
>>153934279>and that is inherently political.No, this is exactly the kind of idiotic thoughts I was referring to.>is about running scams.Scams are a form of theft, even then stories about scams are not inheret to any political ideology or form of governent, especially not modern ones. It was something that was going on and frowned upon even before ancient Egypt, and stories about it are found even in ancient Greek plays.Maybe you think Eddy trying to sell a form of snake oil to his neighbors must be a commentary on capitalism, but that'd be because you're ignorant and have no concept of what lies or what was beyond your bubble-world.The issue is absolutely (also) about the ideologies of contemporary american creators, and no amount of schizo conspiracy theories will make the remaining few in the audience blind to it, nor will it make you smarter. A big part of why they are not entertaining is because the coherence or verisimilitude of plot and characters took a backseat to promote the creators bullshit values as loud and as clear as possible.
>>153934404I’m talking about fiscal leftism faggot. Identity politics are politics exclusively created to control retards.
>>153934317>I sometimes feel like without Hashem's Chosen people and Black people you wouldn't have any interesting entertainment in AmericaHonestly, even most of the stuff black people make in America these days is shit.I don't think there's any group in America these days that's making particularly good media.
>>153934315Sugar seems too nice, she gave her storyboarders too much freedom instead of reigning them into a cohesive vision. She's also spoken of how she incorporated her own experiences into the show and I think it was a detriment. Steven is modeled after her brother, I have to wonder if sibling love affected how he was written. One of the couples is based on her and her husband and there's this:https://gizmodo.com/rebecca-sugar-opens-up-about-how-healing-from-trauma-sh-1842334789I don't really have a lot of faith in her artistic vision at this point and don't think she's a great fit for a long running kid's show.
>>153934242The animation industry collapsed because of retards making dogshit shows to please their insular hugbox club on twitter that they thought was representative of the general population
>>153934430And most Japanese mangaka are not fiscal leftists, which is why they collectively throw a giant bitchfit whenever westerners talk about piracy.
>>153934357Post the entire context, you cunt.
>>153934430I am not really sure if any Japanese Manga actually advocates for anything Beyond Social Democracy tier stuffAnd if Social Democracy is leftist then Netanyahu and Erdogan are leftists lmao
>>153934412Because he and the rest of the uniparty cucks are involved. But this wouldn’t be a problem for you if it was anyone else since it wasn’t a problem in when epstein was first called out nearly a decade ago now or during the entire Biden administration but of course you care now because you think it will benefit you when in fact you’re just showing that everyone is a pedo and you are trying to say how the pedo you hate is a bigger pedo than the one you support while ignoring that you cut your penis off because another pedo told you to. And all you can do now is pretend to care while giving the people who knew the whole time shit because they also hate your retarded propaganda.
>>153934362>EnglandA mix of criminals, merchants, opportunists, and religious people so obnoxious that even other Christians got tired of them.>GermanyGermany didn't have colonies in America.
>>153934448Author being butthurt people complained that he had a shitty forced fanservice?
>>153934357I can't think if a single manga that touches on left/right politics in any meaningful way.No, conservative/progressive is not the same as left/right wing.
>>153934283>Because nothing is pathetic than a self proclaimed virgin.Except someone who dedicates their free time to self-proclaimed internet virgins.
>>153934471>shitty forced fanservice?The best kind of fanservice.That shit keeps tourists away and keeps fandoms pure, it's why Fire Force for all its fault never had any instances of the mangaka being bitched at by "fans" until he deleted his twatter account, unlike the manga made by one of his assistants.
>>153934403They put out shit like Strange World and Velma. They can afford to do whatever they want.
>>153934428How can you not see theft as political? It implies a situation where someone wants access to a thing they cannot afford. Even if you disagree with the position or whether the author even intended this, that is still politics present in the piece of media. When people say all art is political, they’re coming from one of two places>1: retarded idpol obsessed goys who think politics begin and end at race relations and faggot shit>2. People that understand that reality is causal in nature and that most situations can be tangentially connected to some form of political critique.
i think animation died from economic realities (moving onto to streaming, cable fading) but they were making lots unappealing shows. And Legacy IPs had unbreakable strangleholds. Nick went from Doug to Ren and Stimpy to Rugrats to Spongebob in about a decade. Then Spongebob took over and it was hard for a new show even if it was good to break through.
>>153934403Then why do they keep greenlighting shows that only appeal to 4 inbred trannies who all live in the same apartment in LA?
>>153934451Social democracy is leftist in an American context. For example, a lot of people misinterpret the drum island arc of one piece as being about giving people universal healthcare. The real point is “wouldn’t it be fucked up if someone took away our universal healthcare.” It’s coming from a personal experience where universal healthcare is a given. From an American perspective this is a far left thought, but to a Japanese person it’s just the way things are. Most
>>153934442Nah SU was the last good show
>>153934564Because the executives assume that’s the only audience watching cartoons. Don’t believe for a second that executives are smart. They’re all nepotists.
>>153934511That show is one of the weirdest case of people being out of touch with women>Show about a Cosplayers being supported by Chadlite "nerd" boy who is completely devoted to supporting her >They completely deny it's made for women>Accuse the female author of being a sellout
>>153934520There’s plenty of money out there to make cool projects. It’s just that people want to hoard wealth more.
>>153934444Blame the executives for only greenlighting dogshit.
>>153934446They generally throw a bitchfit when westerns talk about policy because they can look at America and see that Americans are retarded as a whole and live in a collapsing nation.
It's called capitalism. Companies have to make horrible movies and shows that lose money because they're greedy and obsessed with money.
>>153934651No, I'll blame both, because the creatives left the execs to go "le indie" and they continued making the same shit they were making before, but with slightly more blood and the occasional curse.
>>153931371>Jackson Pollock did a lot of damage to the perception of artistsYou mean this guy.
>>153934524Theft isn't political. How we as a society choose to deal with it is.
>>153934670Bro, most of the people bragging about pirating shit and pissing off the Japs were SEAs, South Americans, and Russians.They hate all gaijin for piracy, because they don't believe in giving away anything for free that they worked hard to create.
I mean, you're all real stupid to think studio let the directors and animator do whatever they want. They, the wealthy producers, tell them to make trash.This is why we need electoral college. To many dumb people in charge.
>>153934596America does have Medicare tho, not sure why your boomers think that's a human right but anything more is communism
>>153934703Indieshit is the same shit that the corposhit was, this talking point doesn't work anymore.
>>153934442I know the official explanation is that Steven is based on her brother, but I always assumed he was actually based on herself. She used her brother as a smokescreen so it would seem a little less egotistical and also the whole genderbending aspect of making a male character based on a female creator wouldn’t have been as well received back then as it would be now. Steven looks just like Sugar (especially when she cuts her hair short as she likes to do) and he always seemed like her personal mouthpiece. I know there’s likely to be some resemblance between the siblings and I have no concrete evidence that Steven is actually Rebecca, but I thought that back when the show first came out and still do now. I had no idea Sugar was assaulted, though. Got a link to the whole story?
>>153934471Only ugly women and transvestites complain about that. The context is that reality is basically unraveling. The boy questions reality through a dialogue with his mother. He continues to exist because he has become a named character while his mom disappears once she has played her part because she is some background face in a crowd. But that wouldn't serve your narrative, would it.
>>153934703Corpos told them to make something that makes them money.They failed to do so, and got the boot.
>>153933453Infested with leftists and pedos spreading disinformation?
>>153934128>We have literal (Shit Obama made up for a Harris campaign) that capitalists are pedos!!!
>>153934718Well Indie rides on the youtube algorithm so if that's the case then it was the audience's fault the whole time
>>153934692Theft is political because it implies a world in which the alternative isn’t necessarily feasible.
>>153934785>rides on the youtube algorithm >it was the audience's fault the whole timelmao, this retard thinks the algorithm promotes things people like
>>153934703The producers said "Reboot She-Ra". They didn't say "Make Adora androgynous, Glimmer light brown, Bow black, Hordak a twink, and make Catra a heterochrome homosexual with a lot of focus".
>>153934780Why are you looking at me like this?
>>153934797Animals steal.At some point you're just saying that existence is political, and if everything is political, it has no actual meaning.
>>153929563Nobody wants to work at a grocery store dawg. Retail and fast food work in general tend to be jobs of last resort because they are so undesirable, so yes they tend to have the dregs of society working them.
>>153934797You can tell some retarded 19 year old typed this dumb shit.
>>153934826Scarcity in a societal context is political, yes.
>>153934317>WASPs are just anti art in general, and German Americans aren't any betterThe american side of the videogame industry was brought upon and prospered mostly thanks to white men (and a few women here and there). You know, the current most profitable artistic industry there is?I'm not going to pretend the US doesn't owe their whole comic industry (and most of the movie industry) to jews, but you're hilariously retarded to go and pretend all white americans were some sort of straight-edge boomers with ties and suits and no sense of humor.
>>153934849You're fucking retarded
Billionaires would rather implode at the bottom of the ocean than make a cool show.
>>153934881I would also rather that they implode at the bottom of the ocean, I just wish they'd take some of these retarded faggots with them.
>>153933865I have noticed that years ago too. Mormon church really seems like if Americans wanted to invent their special home grown version of Sunni Islam complete with the child marriage, ban on alcohol and music, and wife collections.
>>153934849You can steal without scarcity.
>>153934874I feel like you’re just incapable of interpreting politics as anything but blue party vs red party in bold text. Subtext exists in all media and oftentimes it’s accidental.
>>153934849How society deals with scarcity is called "economics"
>>153934860>You know, the current most profitable artistic industry there is?Anon, you may want to sit down for this.The Asian side of the gaming industry has been the most profitable side of the industry for like a decade now, Korean devs are making billions on games where sexy robot babes shoot each other while you watch their asses jiggle and rock out to EDM and power metal.
>>153933893The first season was an adventure show where magical warriors that had magic weapons went to temples and hidden labyrinths and recovered magic artifacts while fighting monsters. Season 2 and after was a 100% different show entirely about townies, crying and other boring shit. It was a bait and switch to the CN executives.
>>153934805https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7bsaUslAbrm594uKBq_eYdOcOcj6BpmHThis is a playlist of 1,245 indie pilots sorted by view count. You can see a clear decline in quality as you go down the list.
>>153934524>>153934797>>153934849>all thieves steal only things they need!Oh god, how did a retarded subhuman like you even get past the captcha.But thank you for demostrating to the class exactly the kind of idiot I was talking about.
>>153934955>he thinks view counts feed the algorithm, and not the other way around
>>153934970I think he's a latinx, that seems like some retarded bullshit they would believe.
>>153934905Yes, but a majority of theft is due to scarcity. Even if it’s a junkie looking for another hit, that gets into the development of drugs and the pharmaceutical industry, which is political. The argument of “all media is political” is actually. “It’s impossible to create a piece of media completely detached from politics due to how entangled our personal experience is to the world born from our personal political situation”.
>>153934197This is the issue. A sizable percentage of the population has replaced all their entertainment with watching hours and hours of political shit or 24 hour news like its all scripted series. And they have no fucking clue what life is like without a constant political rhetoric information loop playing 24/7. They think all conversations and all media SHOULD be highly political based and push a side's agenda no matter what. They cannot understand anything else.
>>153934914Are you arguing that economics aren’t political? We’re talking about whether media is political.
>>153934918>Anon, you may want to sit down for this.No? The context was american art and industries, so the sentence was implying " the current most profitable artistic industry there is AMONG AMERICAN ONES".Even then I'm not sure if that wouldn't be true even on a global scale, Steam IS part of the videogame industry.
>>153934860>Video gamesTbh GTA was made by Actual Brits so
>>153934974How do you think the algorithm works?
>>153934670>idiot ends up pretending to be a telepath to support his retarded statementLove to see it.
>>153932853>Is it impractical or illegal to live in a caravan or motorhome in LA and NYC?You mean in a trailer park? Pretty sure big cities don't have trailer parks. But they're plentiful in the outer suburbs and exurbs, if you want to commute.
>>153932890You're a loser deeper than any other.
>>153934970I’m not arguing that theft is good faggot. I’m arguing that there is a causal relation between theft and a person’s experience in a world informed by politics. I don’t care if someone believes that everyone who has ever stolen anything should be executed in the lublic square. What I’m saying is that in Ed Edd and Eddy, they boys run scams so that they can afford jawbreakers. That is a situation that is objectively related to politics regardless of what your political stance may be. I feel like some of you faggots don’t even have the basic framework necessary to interpret your own reality. It must be confusing.
>>153935008The issue is that Video Games were pretty much stigmatized by The mainstream WASP culture and only truly accepted when they went full Brown Space marines with Halo and CoD
>>153929203HE'S JUST LIKE ME FR FR
>>153935030poorly
>>153935049Do you think the Japanese look at Americans and say “wow, I wish I was leaned over on a street corner letting blood rush to my head while the fentanyl hits”? Of course not faggot. They know Americans are trash.
>>153934157>If you don't want leftist extremisim in your shows, then that must mean you want right wing extremisim shows!
>>153935025>The american side of the videogame industryLiterally the first sentence.I don't know why this thread in particular attracted so many idiots. I know this is 4chan in 2026, but christ.
>>153934614>"cosplayer" of eroge shitshe's an onlyfans whoremaybe the author couldn't draw an ugly bastard well enough for the self-insert
>>153935099Anon, the Japanese hate all foreigners.Including whatever kind of brown or Euro you are.
>>153935060>big cities don’t have trailer parksIt’s called an apartment building
>>153935109>she's an onlyfans whoreAnon, she's 15.
>>153935116And? That doesn’t go against my point.
>>153935099>Do you think the Japanese look at Americans and sayNo, I don't pretend to read the minds of an entire country of people off the internet because I'm not mentally damaged.You really didn't think this through. Then again, you couldn't.
>>153935109Bro it's obvious that Gojo is just an Otaku version of that "chad wearing glasses" that white women talk about when they say they like nerdy men
>>153935135Japan has normalized highschool girls openly earning spending money by going on paid dates with middle-aged men.
>>153934317The problem is that they always invent some grand plan for all life in the country and everyone needs to drop everything and conform to that model RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!!But their whole grand plan changes every few years. >1980s and 90s it was go to college, get any degree you fucking can, doesn't matter what and go get that $100K office job! NEVER EVER EVER wait tables or work in retail, the fuck is wrong with you?! That's inbred Mexican shit work!>00s it was Join the military, Freedom aint Free and then use that sweet sweet GI Bill to go get free college and then earn that air conditioned office job like a real hero!>2010s it became College is for liberal faggots and communists, NEVER go to college you privileged little shit! Go WORK for living and do hard labor for pennies or else you are a trans fag little freak! Imma keep pretending that houses still cost $80K at the most and you are just a lazy faggot demanding handouts!>In the 2020s it turned into Why the fuck aren't you working in a Denny's or Walmart you privileged little whining faggot! you just don't want to work! The only reason your company went bankrupt is because you are such a commie faggot whining bitch that your whole company went under! Go wait tables!The Traditional Conservative plan keeps shifting around and often it will directly contradict the thing conservatives wanted everyone to conform to 6 years ago.
>>153935137Your "point" is just seething about Americans because you're upset about your own irrelevance.You even dropped your original argument about Japs being leftists as soon as piracy came up, because you'd have to be fucking insane to argue that a leftist is anti-piracy.
>>153935139>hes incapable of comprehending hyperboleAutism. Let me help you out. It’s the sentiment of a statement that matterss. Nobody thinks every Japanese person knows what the fent lean is.
>>153935158This is like saying that Europe has normalized highschool girls being raped by migrants.
>>153934797>the alternative isn’t necessarily feasibleHate to break it to you, but very few crimes are committed because there wasn't a lawful alternative. Most people who commit crimes do so because they think it's morally okay to do so. Either they live in a community that just accepts crime as something that happens, so might as well. Or for whatever reason they've become a sociopath who lacks empathy for others. They're definitely NOT thinking "oh, this is wrong, I really don't want to do this, but there's no other good alternative."
>>153934924>The first season was an adventure show where magical warriors that had magic weapons went to temples and hidden labyrinths and recovered magic artifacts while fighting monsters.Fucking THIS!Steven Universe is one of the worst offenders in the creator selling a concept to a studio, then once their spot is secured for multiple seasons they switch it all up to whatever totally opposite bullshit they wanted to do for themselves.
>>153935159Bro I am talking about Aesthetics not that shit For Americans, if something isn't with a brown filter, about pissed off middle aged men who swear a lot, who have a divorce and a daughter they love, then it's "artst fartsy stuff" Even American Leftists believe in this stuff, you are more likely to see colourful zany shit from a German Villager than from an American
>>153928991Is there any evidence that Nico Colaleo is actually working at a gas station or grocery store? I could actually picture him doing both unlike Kyle Carrozza whom I have a hard time imagining doing any sort of job whatsoever.
>>153935135That's against the TOS...
>>153935232Not on twitter somehow
>>153935077Ah yes, who can forget obscure hidden gems like Super Mario Bros and Pac-man that were completely stigmatized by american pop-culture enthusiasts due to white old men with suits and ties. Thank god for Halo.The issue is that you're a cretin that has no idea of what he's talking about.
>>153935168I only said that they were leftist from an American perspective because america is a much more conservative country when it comes to social safety nets like healthcare. Like I said, japs are writing about healthcare from the perspective of already having universal healthcare. From a western perspective “you and me” that’s explicitly a leftist position. In a hypothetical leftist commie society, their interpretation may be that this is a conservative position. It’s about perspective. For Americans especially, manga is generally going to be read as being leftist because to the American the default position is more conservative. Now, there are other positions, especially related to identity politics where many manga will come off as more conservative, because socially Japan is a more conservative country. Again, it’s all about your perspective and personal political experience defining the context within which you read things.
>>153935189correct
>>153935077>The issue is that Video Games were pretty much stigmatized by The mainstream WASP cultureBro, what the fuck are you talking about?Zoomers just come up with the fucking wildest, dumbest shit and try to present it as fact.
>>153935008What's stopping Americans from drawing cool space Marines killing equally cool alien scum with incredibly cool weapons and marketable vehicles to ride into battles of very cool proportions while fucking power metal/electronic retro gothic music plays instead of some lame and gay ghetto music? It works for Warhammer and those Brits sell you plastic at 30 times it's original value if not more, it isn't even painted and it sells ob vibes and a prayer.Nothing is stopping Americans from drawing cool shit but themselves, alternatively they could just draw horny shit place a decent soundtrack to it with some self insert that is the only man in the world avoid NTR backslash and just print money from horny teenagers that want overpriced waifu plastic?There's avenues to be profitable that are ignored because men can't have stuff that makes them happy and that is a sad reality of how Americans run entertainment, it's no longer meant to entertain the people that actually buy shit.
>>153935246Mario and Halo were treated like elementary school stuff, that has different standards Once FF7 arrived you clearly saw the cultural clash, it was a success but it created enormous online debates
>>153935271It’s going to get worse as they offload all mental faculties to Chat GPT.
>>153934924>The first season was an adventure show where magical warriors that had magic weapons went to temples and hidden labyrinths and recovered magic artifacts while fighting monsters.It was full gay ass slice of slice bullshit from episode 2 onwards. Steven Universe was never good.
>>153935212Is the existence of these communities political. A community believing “theft is okak” is a political opinion because it has to do with the sociological norms of said community? We’re talking about how “all art is political” actually means “you can make tangential political ties to the contents of a piece of media”.
>>153935271Pokemon are demons anon.
>>153935311Agree but at least the first season hid it somewhat well from most people.
>>153935314That's just American stuff, you know very well they wouldn't justify a poor white family stealing
>>153935282Christians ruined that with outrage campaigns. Cartoons have to be milquetoast hugfests because of Christians.
>>153931691Mass college enrollment and higher education has been a relatively new adaption towards human civilization as a form of employment requirements. Prior to this, it was "only" wealthy, nobility and royalty getting educated in any real sense of the word. You had trade guilds and masters and apprenticeships, but that's far different than college and higher ED. Then the boomers came along and all of a sudden everyone had a degree, and then every company gutted their own in-house training programs and on the job training became a thing of the past.Quite frankly most jobs DON'T need a degree, and I don't believe the bullshit marketing that you need 4 years of overpriced educational daycare to show you can show up to work or that your competent. The whole job market isn't STEM, engineers and medical field, and even then, for a decent part of the med field it's not neuro-surgeon stuff, it's admin and CNAs and nurses making up a large bulk of that field. Which nurse's aids or I forget what their called, they're under CNAs, don't even really require much if any training.I think the whole fucking job market is a scam and is cooked. I don't believe companies have the "best" interests of the people, nor the market, nor the economy in mind at large. Especially with how many tax breaks they get for being "job makers" as AI moves in they're gutting more and more jobs.Then to top it off, fucking mass immigration eating whatever is left up cus leftoids are fucking brain-dead that they don't think resources and opportunities are a zero-sum game, which it is. But that Boomer mentality of "the good times will always be here" is still present in their retarded minds.
>>153929632I mean this anons got a point. The thing is how do you stand out from the crowds of people making furry porn?Not complaining, I want to graduate from my arts program and fuck off to another country to make this stuff.
>>153935259>because america is a much more conservative country when it comes to social safety nets like healthcare.Not even, America also has subsidized healthcare, it's just done in a really retarded way (unless you live somewhere like Massachusetts, where you can get state-subsidized healthcare insurance that can genuinely be a lot cheaper than getting it through an insurance company on your own if you're making less than $60k).>From a western perspective “you and me” that’s explicitly a leftist position.Not really, pretty much every country has universal healthcare outside of America.Even fucking North Korea had universal healthcare until recently, and they sure as shit aren't leftist.I think you just don't want to admit that you're a retard who tried to say something blatantly false because you don't actually know much about Japan or manga, or even America for that matter, since I doubt you're even American.
>>153935005You have a weird conception of what counts as "political." Politicians may subjectively employ economics to futher their political ends, but the principles of economics are objective. A junkie looking for another hit does so because he's a junkie, not because some political policies made drugs illegal, and he does so regardless of whether it's Democrats or Republicans running his shitty town.
>>153935282>just draw porn dude huehuehuewow anon you are very smart, you absolute nigger
>>153935332Protestant cope aside I'd feel terrible for the fallen angel that is represented by this bullshit.You rebelled against heaven for the japanese to represent you like this? That's downright pathetic, even the dick chariot from SMT has some dignity.
>>153935117No, those are two very different things. And anon was explicitly asking why people don't live in trailers in big cities like LA and NYC.
>>153935070>I’m not arguing that theft is good faggotNo, nor did I imply it. I was referring to exactly the kind of thinking you explained plainly in another post. You argued this:>>153934993>Yes, but a majority of theft is due to scarcity.Which is not only something I'm sure you cannot actually prove, but shifts the argument from defining theft itself to defining theft by the reason of why many people are doing it.You're exactly the kind of retard who thinks himself above others because he was fed some bullshit from online spaces for rejects and took it whole without questions or doubt. Good enough as long as it puts you above others, right? But no amount of glowing agents or goycattle can change the fact that you're an idiot that is arguing an idiotic point supported by nothing except your imagined knowledge of why millions people out there do what they do.Be happy in knowing you're in good company though, a lot of american animators are (well, were) exactly like you.
>>153932939Lmao that EZPZ gets vindicated more and more every fucking, the jew was fucking right
>>153935348Actually we got over that in the 90s, then retarded lefties brought it back in the 10s.I guess they're equally retarded cultists of that's what you meant.
>>153935189NTA but that's objectively true. After enough hundreds of thousands of girls and no sign of any change or stopping it in any way, it is infact normal. Its an expected fact of life now.
>>153935367My definition of political is “anything that deals with or is informed by society, including expectations, norms, power structures, etc” politics isn’t just “what government does”
>>153935393Scarcity doesn’t mean “I’m broke” in this context. It means “I don’t have this thing over there”.
>>153935172No you subhuman cretin, even your "point" in itself is stupid.You have no idea of even what the general sentiment (or the "shared opinion" or however you want to frame it), of japanese people on this matter is. Go ahead and prove me wrong, post a source that isn't three or four posts from xitter. Make everybody laugh.
>>153935411Nobody really takes Christian’s seriously anymore because they all love being loyal goys to Israel.
>>153935348Bitch Catholics love that shit more than anyone else, christians look at Warhammer and say that's the coolest fucking shit in the world.If it was up to the catholics most of television will be a bunch of soap operas with guns, 80 Dragonball spinoffs and people having mandatory Warhammer and Corona Fridays at work.Protestant cunts are a special kind of retarded that will say anything is evil to fund another mega church somewhere in the middle of nowhere.Your idea of christians have been warped by evangelists and protestants being hypocritical assholes with access to crowdfunding.
>>153935314Not everything that's social is political.Not every idea is political.Something is political if it concerns public policies implemented by government institutions.SOME art is political, pushing or reflecting a political agenda. But MOST art has nothing to do with it.
>>153935374I didn't say porn, just fat asses and huge tits on a normal story.Just make something nice to look at and people will give it a chance even if it's mediocre.
>>153935438>I ain't got a TV, so I'mma steal from my neighborhood.Sounds like entitlement.
It is literally only possible to make non-political media in the east, the west is just genuinely too obsessed with idpol for anything to ever exist without someone trying to ascribe politics to it.You could take a cartoon for literal babies and westerners would start obsessing over its politics.That's part of why every western entertainment industry is dying, because they all decided to just become another venue for the culture war, which means those in charge now have an even greater incentive to turn them into vehicles for perpetuating the culture war.
>>153935289>and HaloSo, was Halo stigmatized or accepted?You should make up your mind before you make a point.Who am I kidding, we both know you're just shitposting.
>>153935459Anon, deal with your autism. Japan is full of people with all sorts of different opinions, just like any country. Do you really think I was speaking for literally every Japanese person? No. I was making fun of trash American society.
>>153933893The worst thing is that you can tell that CN later regretted greenlighting this, it never got good ratings, hence why the Steven bombs, and the only reason it got so many seasons was because the creator was a women + a jew pre-gaza fallout, meaning it was double protected
>>153935412It's because of boomers. Euroboomers love niggers even more than American women. They have been told by their governments for years that niggers would pay for their pensions so they did everything they could to protect mass immigration. It's a money thing. they know they rape kids buh muh pension and it's not gonna happen to MY family teehee. I hope every nephew of these wrinkly pieces of shit gets assfucked by wild niggers. Boomers are a fucking cancer.
>>153935418So humans existing is political because the society in question didn't just kill everyone, which is a political choice.
>>153934511We need more fanservice of every kind to gatekeep the transniggers
>>153935497Halo was accepted until it started to suck.Then everyone moved on.
>>153935374>huehuehueSince this is obviously the off-topic digression thread, how did this come to represent the sound of laughter? Who goes "hyoo hyoo hyoo" when they laugh?
>>153935418Yeah, nah. That's not what "political" means. The word you're looking for is "social."
>>153935513Fanservice, lolis, guro, and rape.The 4 horsemen of the apocalypse for puriteens, add these to any media and they will immediately cause annoying progressive teenagers to have a conniption, thus ridding your fandom of their cancer pretty much permanently, as they sit on the outlines and seethe their faggy heads off.
>>153935489Thank lefties for that shit.
>>153935519https://youtu.be/7PjrTOjxjxk?si=_GrMJoD_VGovn05NThis made it popular, but memes resonate with people because they hold a fraction of truth.Due to having terrible phones and shity internet connections Brazilians sound like devils when laughing, especially back in the day.Also metal Sonic theme is cool despite being the hue hue anthem.
>>153935282I'd like a serious response to this post as well.
>>153935481I fundamentally disagree and do believe that everything social is informed by the societal context/ culture it contains. Even if it’s something as simple as eating cookies at your grandma’s place. Does this imply a culture that prioritizes close family bonds. Does it imply a societal norm of having kids at a young age, and as a result grandma is still alive. Does this society respect its elders. Does it imply an economic situation where the materials with which one can afford the materials to make cookies. That’s the point of the “all art is political” statement. It’s tangential, not direct.
>300 posts about the definition of the word "politics" because the proud family reboot had a cotton skyscraper speech and there are lesbian couples in multiple cartoons
153932225153929572153929582>>IT'S THE JEWS' FAULTHow do people like you tie your shoes every morning
>>153935519First antagonist in inuyasha that was ""written"" making airquotes to tell you to not be upset life isn't gonna happen through a parasitic computing network. Lunatic lunapic iphoneoptionnwsn. Barrowwight but somehow ghoulisher.
>>153935507Yes. Politics is anything relating to a society, it’s norms, and its structure.
>>153935117a campground spot near a big city costs as much as apartment rent anyway
>>153935542Which both informs politics and is informed by politics. You can’t separate social and political. They are innately linked.
>>153935500>Japan is full of people with all sorts of different opinions, just like any country.And yet, a few posts earlier...>>153935099>They know Americans are trash.And even before...>>153934670>They generally...Just take the L and go back into the shadows like the bumbling tool you are.
>>153932628That guy's been making an indie series for 10+ years that gets about 50k views on youtube. It's honestly perfectly fine and could've been an Adult Swim, or Netflix adult comedy, but it doesn't attract autism, so no one cares.
>>153935599By keeping an eye on Mossad in case they messed with my shoelaces in the night.
>>153935518Ok, thanks for your nonsense then, come back again or maybe don't.
>>153935438>Scarcity doesn’t meanGoing by this and your other posts it's clear you give words your own definition. You do you lil schizo, but it should be obvious that others will then make fun of you, since a discussion without a shared understanding of what words actually mean is impossible.I'm done.
>>153935642Again, hyperbole.
>>153928991they got what they wanted
>>153935764AKA making shit up because you're a retard.
>>153935764Right, but your underlining point still was about the general view that japanese people have of americans.Something you obviously made up.I'm glad you're now embarassed about that stupid shit thoug, to the point you're in complete (and obvious denial).I'm not going to stop anyone from hating americans but at the very least have enough balls to do it by yourself, not by hiding behind the cover of people from another country.
>>153935640>You can’t separate social and political. They are innately linked.Sure you can:All things political are social.Not all things social are political.Done.
>>153935828Way to say nothing. Provide and example of something social that can’t be extrapolated to politics.
>>153935615Okay, so shows are political because there's things in them.>This show is political because the sun is shown. With this we an deduce that the society that the show is focused on has decided to not get rid of it, and as such is part of the radical pro-sun block. Since the sun is also never shown in a negative way, we can also assume that the creator is pro-sun, or at the very least sun-neutral.>It's also shitty writing because we never learn the sun's tax policies.
>>153935843You’re just retarded. The sun existing isn’t political. Politics generally get extrapolated by the narrative of a piece of media.
>>153935599proof that it isn't?
>>153935881>The sun existing isn’t political.It is when society has made the choice not to try and destroy it.
>>1539354661) I said Christians not specifically Catholics2) Where is all the badass Christian media, then? There are Christian networks and streaming services and production groups and nothing that they produce is badass “soap operas with guns, dragon ball spinoffs”, etc. Those Christian networks exist outside of the sphere of influence of the mainstream and they can produce whatever they want. They don’t. 3) you have no fucking idea what my idea of Christians is or what my experience is with the church.
>>153935912>1) I said Christians not specifically CatholicsHoly fucking shit, you are actually retarded.
>>153935839Bringing your friends over to your grandmother's house for cookies is social, but not political. It reflects the norms and values of your society, but it has nothing to do with public policies to be implemented by government institutions.Are you being insufferably obtuse on purpose?
>Animation is a toy commercial>Gets healthyish funding through the 80s>It's bad, creators want more and demand it's not a toy commercial>Animation tries not to be toy commercials>No merch/Designs so shit, no one wants the merch>Can't fund animation>Industry collapses
>>153935924Catholics are Christian, but not all Christians are Catholics. How am I wrong?
>>153935983>Catholics are Christian>>153935912>1) I said Christians not specifically CatholicsI will reiterate, you are actually retarded.
>>153931118They still have standards there, though.Unless he wants to work on Sazae-san or Kaiketsu Zorori or something.
>>153935967Politics isn’t just “the government”. Is grandma an authority figure that should be respected? That’s political.
>>153934195>>153934212>>153934241give me 5 examples of good shows that don't have left or right wing politics in them
>>153928991I am a zoomer with more than 3 animation jobs at once (two active animation positions, one storyboard position) and it's funny watching these old farts complain
>>153936003Again, your definition of "political" is far too expansive to be useful, or even meaningful.
>>153936003>Is grandma an authority figure that should be respected? That’s political.Jesus Christ you are cooked. Grammy not giving you your allowance?
>>153935998What? Are YOU retarded? I was simply specifying that I’m talking about Christians in general not specifically Catholics. Second, my point still stands, where is all the badass Christian media?
>>153935599Telling me to not believe my lying eyes didn’t work the first time and it’s not going to work for the thousandth.
yeah no reading all that shit good try retard
>>153936027So you get paid peanuts on indie productions and have no benefits. Sweet, dude.
>>153936042>I was simply specifying that I’m talking about Christians in generalYou fucking moron, most Christians are Catholic.Again, you are fucking retarded.
>>153936039This isn’t literal retard. It’s an example.
>>153936035I ain't reading all that, but happy for you, or sorry that happened.
>>153936035>actual conversatives even exist in America or is it just porn addicted autists vs other porn addicted autists on what porn should fly uncensored on twitterconservatism isn't an actual ideology with any actually policis or moral values they just exist to oppose progressiveness and to ensure the pedophile elites stay in powerthat why they only care about culturewar shit instead of actual things that affect the world
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>>153936023Looney Tunes ShowRegular ShowMadJimmy NeutronClarence
>>153936030No, you use other words to get to specifics. The overall umbrella is politics. Then you get to the specifics.
>>153936074Not the OP anon you were originally arguing with, but the replies are flying off the fuckin hot press in this thread too fast for me to read the endless side-tangent arguments. Kinda impulse replied there.
>>153936078NTA but that's almost entirely true. But they don't oppose it entirely. They actually as a rear guard for it and claimed they'll do progressivism better and dems are the real racists.
>>153928991These people were saying ''just learn to code lmao'' a few years ago. Fuck them.
>>153936078>conservatism isn't an actual ideology with any actually policis or moral valueswhat the fuck are you talking about you retarded golem
>>153936078If you talk to the average conservative they’d rather remain poor as long as people they don’t like are more poor than them. This is useful to the wealthy pedos and will continue until the system literally can’t handle the wealth inequality anymore: Then we’ll get another bad thing afterwards.
>>153936117Conservatism is the golem ideology. You exist to serve your betters.
>>153936096You've got it backwards. Political is a subset of social, not the other way around. And they're not identical, either.
>>153936325They aren’t identical, but they are both so closely tied that you can extrapolate one from the other in pretty much every situation.
>>153929358Seconded, drawing A N Y T H I N G will get you money to some degree.Some of them are real nice people since everyone always tells them to die. Some of them are inconsiderate jerks because they've gotten too used to being told to die. It's a skill to filter the two.
>>153936055Okay, so you are actually stupid and your reading comprehension sucks. Glad to clear that up. You’re dodging the point. Where are the badass Christian soap operas with guns, dragon ball spinoffs, etc? Christians have their own networks with full control as well as Christian production companies that are fully capable of making whatever media they’d like.
>>153936447>Okay, so you are actually stupid and your reading comprehension sucks.No, that's you, I imagine you took 2 seconds to Google demographics and realized that Catholics make up the majority of Christians, so now you're just spouting bullshit.I'm not even the original anon you were arguing with, I just think you're a fucking retard, which you clearly are.
>>153929132It's because kids don't by toys, not like they used to. Cartoons need a cross market synergy product to subsidize it. Hell, these indies are picking up on it too. That gamerkverse show had merch day one ready to go.But that's for manchildren. Children don't buy toys, they buy games and games are usually both advertising for themselves and self financing.
>>153929358>work with HaitiansMaybe it's time to ask your boss for a blessing from baron mundie
>>153936467Anon, I’m not arguing against the fact that Catholics are Christians or whether they’re the majority or not. Show where that was ever even inferred. I have no idea what caused you to sperg out this hard when I’m not arguing against either of those points. The reason I specified that I was talking about Christians in general and not Catholics specifically was to avoid some sort of “gotcha” when you or whoever I was talking with tried to wriggle out of the convo by arguing semantics. Eg, mentioning Christian networks (possibly created by Protestants) and then having the other person try to argue that they were talking about how Catholics specifically were into gun soap operas or whatever the fuck. This all related to my original point that Christians oppose violence in media.I have yet to get any actual evidence that Christians would make nothing but soap operas with guns or dragon ball spinoffs if it was up to them. And considering that whoever I’ve addressed in ANY of these posts keeps trying to argue a point that I’ve never argued against in an effort to dodge actually providing any evidence that Christians predominantly prefer violent media, I will take it to mean that there is no argument to be made. I accept your concession.
>>153936495Parents don't have as much disposable income as they used to. What little they do they'd rather not spend it on a toy. Especially with boys who play video games almost exclusively now. The world has been moving towards more digital assets. Adults without families have disposable income to spend, so they're being marketed to, go figure.
>>153936608>Anon, I’m not arguing against the fact that Catholics are Christians>>153935912>1) I said Christians not specifically CatholicsSaying "Christians" implies Catholics, you fucking moron.Since Catholics are not only Christians, but the majority of Christians.Not reading the rest of your retarded post, you're a fucking moron and should kill yourself immediately.
>>153936608Violence in American media has less to do with Christianity and more to do with preparing kids to join the military. Christianity did inform sexual conservatism in media.
>>153935103We live in a binary world anon. Pick a side or the other side will win.
>>153936631>Saying “Christians” implies CatholicsYes. I’ve never argued against this. But if I were to point to a Protestant created media group and asked why they don’t create violent media, a bad faith arguer could try to say that they were talking about Catholics specifically so the media group was a non-issue. I was heading that argument off by specifying that I was broadly speaking about Christians which, yes, would include Catholics. Again, still missing the point. Nice try that you’re pretending not to have read the rest. You’re just doubling down on the fact that you don’t actually have an argument. You know that you’re cornered so you’re trying to derail the argument and then pretend like you’re too busy to actually address the real issue at hand. If you’re going to make a statement like “If it was up to Catholics most of television would be a bunch of soap operas with guns, 80 Dragonball spinoffs…” then you’d better be prepared to back that statement up. You can’t.
>>153936668The argument was that there’s LESS violence in American media due to Christians (specifically cartoons). Sure, war films are generally funded by that DoD to influence people into joining the military. No argument there.
>>153934469>GermansMostly people that emigrated after Bismark destroyed the "hey let's turn the corpse of the HRE into a collection of democracies" types after 1848. The Germans that settled in the US were hugely democratic power to the people/down with kings set. (so yes, Germany afterwards was very low on that type of person)They all assimilated so hard they disappeared, though. WWI was a big catalyst and WWII finished the job
>>153936750I’d argue any influence Christianity had on violence in media is minimal. They actually don’t care about violence beyond being performative. Unlike sexual media content which they actively care about.
>>153935351You cannot even get a management position in a Walmart without some kind of a degree. Far too many jobs require it or the advancement is 100% blocked unless you have basically any type of degree behind your name.
Thank God I'm not an animation industry reject lol.
>>153936924NTA, but why would you say cartoons had to become less violent? It seems like there are a lot of rules in place. They used to allow guns, but then they had to be laser guns, and these days even those are mostly absent. Characters don’t even really fight. No blood can be shown, and characters can’t really be killed. It’s one of the reasons why characters in shows often have to battle robots as opposed to living breathing minions. Ian JQ spoke about that which is why the characters in OK KO battled robots.
>>153937480God is good. :)
>>153937616I think it has to do with people overcoddling children. Not necessarily for religious reasons. Culturally in the west people have become obsessed with protecting their children.
>>153937026Yeah, it's goofy as shit. Then there's the whole rabbit hole of take 1 to 2 to sometimes even three semesters (1 to 1.5 years) worth of per-requisties bloat done that aren't even relevant to most degrees. Then the internal admin bloat at college's (that's usually politically motivated DEI, representation, pro-women bullshit), that the students are forcibly footed the the bill to thinly veiled indoctrination camps. And you are fucked regardless, because you almost have to GIVE them your money and time to waste your time as you wait to get to the core classes of your actual study. The whole thing is a giant fucking money scheme.
>>153937795That was a huge problem I had with undergrad. I felt like I spent so much time working through prerequisites that I didn’t actually have time to study the things I went to uni to study. A lot of my classmates went on to get masters degrees but I was so burned out I just decided to work for awhile. Turns out bachelor degrees are pretty much fucking worthless and masters degrees are the new bachelor degrees.
>>153937735Not all, nor real :^)
>>153938016Shut up CalArts reject.
>>153938016>*tips fedora*
>>153935544Double dubs of truth
>>153937937>Turns out bachelor degrees are pretty much fucking worthless and masters degrees are the new bachelor degrees.That's what I've heard too, and it really brings into question if it's even worth going to college for 8+ years at this point. The debt, the time wasted on non-core classes just to get a good job and hopefully move up the socio-economic ladder and hierarchy mixed with a growing globalized job market competition, DEI in your way to pull you back, mass immigration eating up any and all resources and same with DEI, it's insanity.
