Why did John K hate Animaniacs?
>>153929113Boorish self-important jackass with delusions of grandeur.
>>153929113You hate him for some weird sex reason, probably, I hate him for making American Cartoons ugly.We are not the same.
>>153929168Filtered tard
>>153929113The show was mostly a vehicle for Harvard-educated TV writers to act glibe.
Do you hate it when we get the same bait threads, all janny approved, but a Simpsons quote thread, a Jorge Guttierez thread, and a Toy Story thread all got deleted by said jannies? https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/153928809/https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/153919887/https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/153909057/That is some good moderation there. Keeping those GameOverse threads and these schizo bait threads, but couldn't up keep anything else.
>>153929168Fluid animation with personality >>>> hanna barbera's moved PNGs
Has he ever spoken of Spongebob?
>>153929113Do you ever get bored of talking about this boring has-been?
>>153929113>Why did John K hate Animaniacs?They almost never lived up to the universe they pretended to be in. The backgrounds weren't as good. The slap stick wasnt as good. They depended on a lot of time killing tricks used in anime and hanna Barbara cartoons of the 70s to make episodes hit their run time by release date. They relied too much on pop culture sight gags and glib political comentary. Funny enough, the four roger rabbit shorts are the only cartoons Steven Spielberg had a hand in that ever truly lived up to the cartoon period they pretended to be a part of I dont think ive ever heard John talk about them. I wonder if he is bitter he didnt get to work on them
>>153929528Only sensible post in the thread.Listen, I hate John. I think his shows suck and that he’s a self-important jerk and a bitter asshole. But he was kinda right when he said that Animaniacs is essentially “what Hollywood writers think old cartoons were like” and pretended to be just like Looney Tunes without understanding what made Looney Tunes work artistically. I agree with that. I still enjoy Animaniacs but its strong qualities were not how accurately it recreated old cartoons.I would say John is also a little guilty of this “pretending to be just like an old cartoon” thing, just in a different way. Ren and Stimpy makes a lot of references and callbacks to 50s-60s cartoons but also doesn’t really feel anything like them. Even though the show is artist-driven, the slapstick and the jokes still don’t really feel at all like the stuff the show is trying to emulate.
>>153929676John has always been pretty open about wanting to emulate 40s Warner Bros. and especially Bob Clampett, and I always assumed his style was more trying to copy that than the sterile-looking 60s H-B shows.
>>153929113Script driven
>>153929528>They relied too much on pop culture sight gags andAs if 40s WB never did that.>glib political commentaryWell ok they couldn't really do that one because of the Hays Code.
>>153929676I mean Tiny Toons was never trying to be an exact one for one recreation of old looney tunes, more like taking a lot of cues from it while also making something to appeal to a newer generation which I think it succeeds great at. animation for TV in the 90s was never gonna be exactly the same was animation made for theatrical release in the 40s. The industry had changed too much and the same budget/lack of restricts weren’t there.
>>153929676They're all kind of full of shit and it really boils down to cost. Roger rabbit was like 50k a minute to animated. Adjusting everything for inflation and time, it would cost $3.2 million to animate a 22 minute episode of ren and stempy (or anything else) with the quality as a roger rabbit short. Ren and Stimpy adjusted for inflation is just .99 million for a 22 minute episode. And yeah, Ren and Stimpy never really feels like the old shorts either. It relies a lot on face and voice reactions. Grossness. Lots of rage and naivety. Fucking adventures of sonic the hedgehog is more like the old tex Avery shorts than anything john had a hand in. The same could probably be said for new adventures of mighty mouse. Everything john touched mocked the viewer or other characters in a mean spirited way that the cartoons he wished his own work was thr same pedigree of never did.
>>153929949Tiny Toons and Animaniacs were fine. Theh just never really lived up to their premises. Which is fine imo. I think most 13 year olds forgot the premise a few months after the shows premiered.Pink and the Brain and shorts like Minerva mink probably lived up to the older shorts the best. Brain and pink would have about 30 seconds to a minute of getting their shit punched in and Minivera would get 30 seconds of reaction gags towards the end. You know what show didnt get enough credit for carrying the torch? Goof troop. There are a handful of episodes where Goof and Pete have just one gag after another. The one where Pete gets goofy to paint a cabin comes to mind. There is probably 8 minutes of filler but also 8 minutes of slap stick too. I recommend everyone go back and warch it. I think you'll be surprised just how much more slap stick that episode has over tiny toons or ren and stimpy.
>>153929905>>They relied too much on pop culture sight gags and>As if 40s WB never did that.Those were exceptions not the rule. There are so many wb shorts that dont have political or media or Hollywood references.
John K probably had as much negative impact as he had good. He really pushed the myth of creator driven shows. He hated writers. He hated advertisers. He hated toys. The animators were God's and the viewer was just expected to lap up what they made, when they made it.So now we live in a world where purple haired fat lesbians can be put in charge of a property reboot and they csn just twist and mangle it into whatever pleases them.
>>153929113He hates cartoon writers to a pathological degree and Animaniacs was was a script-based show, plus, he had an axe to grind with Paul Dini since the release of Tiny Toons at the very least.
>>153930335I notice he doesn't seem to like writer driven shows.
>>153930335John hates anyone telling him how to do his job or telling him no. He very much is one of those 80s or 90s artists that is obsessed with selling out. Worried his way out of a job over it.
>>153929113jealousy
He should get into AI so he can pretend to be relevant again.
Suppose in a pipe dream scenario, John got to do a Looney Tunes short of his own. What do you think it would have been like?
>>153929949Those Spielberg cartoons had a huge budget and lavish TV animation, that's the worst defense to use.Its just that the motion serves no purpose for expression, character, humor, and telling a story. The characters act the same and constantly wobble around for no reason. Led to a lot of Terrible furry art.
>>153931650Ugly and overly mean spirited. It's all he knows.
>>153931749Go watch nice-spirited shows until you get a diaper fetish then and leave the mean ones for the mean people >>153931112Yeah, that's normal. What famous painters had someone telling them how to make their paintings? When you have a unique style you don't want it compromised, ruining your contribution to the world.>>153929150His grandeur is well-evidenced. While his blog was active, his haters hardly ever quoted what he said. You do that when you're afraid of a truth teller.
>>153931956>Go watch nice-spirited shows until you get a diaper fetish then and leave the mean ones for the mean peopleNo thanks. Wouldn't want to steal your gimmick of shitting myself for my stupid ass fake daddy.
>>153930274>So now we live in a world where purple haired fat lesbians can be put in charge of a property reboot and they csn just twist and mangle it into whatever pleases them.Corporate DEI mandates aren't creator-driven art, far from it.
>>153930274he's as bad as Bill Watterson
>>153932130Nope
>>153930274he's so hung on the idea of 40s WB and Fleischer where they had near-unlimited creative freedom as long as the cartoons got done on time and complied with the Hays Code that he never figure that network TV is more restrictive
>>153931990You sound hurt. Is it because watching nice-spirited shows until you look at pic related and go “OMG This is such good autistic representation!” is some adult baby diaper lover shit?John’s dad was a military man and drill sergeants exist to turn boys into men. Without that you end up feminized and infantile, with emotional volatility.
>>153932239Still, even if John was working for WB in 1941 like he fantasizes about, he would, being John, be unable to finish cartoons on schedule or comply with the MPPC.
>>153932280really. the problem isn't the industry...it's him.
He's a bitter faggot that resents Tom Rugger cause he got work at WB and he didn't.
>>153932241>John’s dad was a military man and drill sergeants exist to turn boys into men. Without that you end up feminized and infantile, with emotional volatility.John's dad was an emotionally stunted possible pedophile. He would try to make John's 12 year old female friends
>>153933144That's a really petty rationale that seems like projection of your career frustrations.John believed in everything he said, charlatans say things that make them more popular, not hated except by people who accept his meritocratic ideals.
>>153933258that was normal in that generation. men were supposed to be hardasses who showed no vulnerability.
>>153932048>Corporate DEI mandates aren't creator-driven art, far from it.Letting the dei's whatever they want because creator driven toons is treated like a sacred mandate, is.
>>153933258Trans logic. People before the sexual revolution of the 60s didnt treat the sexuality of adolescents like nuclear radiation and made jokes about them finding a husband and marrying because they saw sex as pure.
>>153931650Like the Yogi Bear or Jetson cartoons he did
>>153933281>that was normal in that generation. men were supposed to be hardasses who showed no vulnerability.Pedophilea has never been normal. Corsets exist because men like women that have gone through puberty and have hips but aren't fat. Same with those nose cone bras. Same for make up. Some for pin up art. Men like sexually developed women. You can make a fair argument that it skews downward, women from the age of 18 to 28. But there is no argument to defend wanting to bang girls prepuberty. Adult men like adult women.
>>153929113I wonder what he thinks of these new cartoons like gameoverse lol
>>153933407It aligns with various standards of his like appealing to what normal average people like instead of Hollywood elites, and making custom drawings.
>>153931956>What famous painters had someone telling them how to make their paintings?Are you high or brain damaged? Famious painters had the wealthy and the church limiting and controlling them for most of their career. Do you have any idea how weird and many nudes we'd have if artists were allowed to do what they wanted? There is a whole stretch of time when the church wouldnt let people paint baby jesus without a halo or like a normal baby.
>>153933350Faggot
>>153931697>Those Spielberg cartoons had a huge budget and lavish TV animation, that's the worst defense to use.Google says they got 400k an episode about like ren and stimpy got.
>>153933314>Trans logic. People before the sexual revolution of the 60s didnt treat the sexuality of adolescents like nuclear radiation and made jokes about them finding a husband and marrying because they saw sex as pure.Women have never liked the predation of 60 year old men on 12 year old girls. And the intent of trying to marry young girls off was to get them to wed men their own age and to stop paying for their shelter snd food themselves. The intent of those comments was not to pawn her off on a man 4x her age
this thread sure is going in a direction.
>>153933350no i didn't say anything about pedophilia, i said they were supposed to be tough guys and not ever look weak
>>153933519He could have at least tried spelling pedophilia correctly.
>>153933502yeah we're twisted fucks. deal with it.
>>153933596it's a John K thread. why wouldn't it?
>>153933144Tom Ruegger got him a job on Tiny Toons for like a week and he fucked it up lol.
>>153935199You people treat not being a customizable puppet as “fucking up.” He has his own personality and felt betrayed that they pretended they were bringing back the Golden Age but made it a writer-driven show.
>>153929113He didn't. He just didn't want to get on romper stomper's bad side.
>>153929263http://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/2008/09/generic-well-drawn-oaf-by-chuck-jones.html?m=1This is the closest thing, at the bottom of the page
After reading what he said about why UPA happened and how they killed American animation, that first piece of criticism really does apply to John himself. He took his own sophisticated way of animating and drawing for granted and got bored with it as a result. Really does explain the Picasso shit he does nowadays.
>>153929181You're a faggot but you're right this time. Adventure Time undid all his work though, and made everything beantroony.
>>153935566You are the faggot, stop projecting and fuck off
>>153935600Ren and Stimpy started the golden age of TV animation, Ackventure Shit ended it.
>>153935632Sure thing
>>153929113Post a genuinely funny animaniacs clipNot "haha this is somewhat amusing" funny, actually funnyYeah, that's what I thought
>>153935727Keep seething, Señor Troonito. You know I'm right.
>>153935788Nope
>>153935821Explain why everything on the right is pastel-colored beanmouth blobs. Meanwhile, the shows on the left have diverse, appealing designs. Also half of those shows on the right have LGBT characters, thanks the precedent set by Trannyventure Time. Prove me wrong.
>>153935928Why do you cope so much, faggot?
>>153936221Nice projection. Explain specifically what about my post is wrong.
>>153930335Tiny Toons had a more diverse staff (in the sense of the mix of writers and cartoonists), and the cartoonist-writers, like Eddie Fitzgerald, ended up with a lot less power than the writers with no cartooning experience. Sherri Stoner, whose only experience with animation was being the live-action model for Ariel in "The Little Mermaid," became the producer and started inviting her friends from the L.A. improv scene to write for her.With Animaniacs almost the entire writing staff was people Stoner knew from the Groundlings or another L.A. troupe whose name I forget.There was a sense that they were slumming it until they could get hired to write live action, and in fact Stoner left the show when Spielberg gave her the job writing the "Casper" movie.Tom Minton, who was probably the only Animaniacs writer who is friends with both the Ruegger crowd and the Spumco crowd, had a great sardonic line on a DVD extra where there were roundtables of writers, and someone mentions that Minton and a few other writers had animation writing experience before they joined, and Minton goes "We weren't HIP, you see. We weren't HIP people." I don't know how serious he was being but the improv crowd was perceived as a clique that froze out not only cartoonist writers but just regular animation scriptwriters.None of this is my judgment on how funny they were (Stoner was a very funny writer IMO and Paul Rugg was an incredible writer who probably did more than anyone to make the Warners likable instead of obnoxious). But I don't think John K was the only one who looked at that show and disapproved of the writers. I know one storyboard artist said online of the writers, "They're in it for the money, honey, not because they care about making great cartoons."
>>153936361That 90s Casper movie was pretty good too
>>153936301Your faggotry, end of story.
>>153929150But enough about Speilberg.
>>153936553Sure thing, Kocksucker
>>153936499>brain too fried by beantroonshit to articulate an actual explanationSad. You lost. I'll give you one more chance, prove the post wrong without mentioning me or using any POC parrot catchphrases. If you can come up with something decent, I'll let huntress be cis for the next 24 hours.
>>153935632It didn't though.
>>153936644Maybe not the first part, but the second thing is true.
>>153929113Dot was too old.
>>153936587Look, homo, you are simply a retarded jackass no matter what you’ll write so let it go and shut your hole
>>153936587Stop projecting and denying the truth
>>153929263He called it a Ren and Stimpy ripoff several timesBut before he got canceled, he had plans to animate a SpongeBob short for Sponge Out of Water.
>>153936730>>153936751You're just too retarded to come up with a couple of sentences. For those of us who aren't brown, it's not a difficult task that takes a lot of brainpower. And you don't have any excuse to not make better posts, since all you do is seethe on here (and probably reddit too) 24/7. I said that after GayT came out cartoons became pastel-colored beanblobshit with gay and trans characters. You can't challenge this idea in any way, so you just try to downvote me with one of your catchphrases. You are a retard.
>>153936847You are the retard here, stop sneeding.
>>153936889You spend all of your time here yet your posts are still shitty three word downvotes. Imagine being bad at the only thing you ever do. You are a useless person and your parents should kick you out.
>>153936936That’s you
>>153936960>no uYour barebones zero-effort posts are the textual equivalent of adventure time's art style.
>>153929113Trey and Matt hate Animaniacs too
>>153937040Nice cope
>>153937099Nice rope
>>153929113>John K thread converted to another one of Adventure Tranny's self-spam fests.I should add the Schaffrillas thread as another victim of the fact jannies keep taking down the wrong bad threads.
>>153929281>Do you ever get bored of talking about this boring has-been?We've actually made it to 91 posts without mentioning his sex pestery.
>>153937229why the fuck should the Schaffrillas thread have stayed up?
>>153935199>Tom Ruegger got him a job on Tiny Toons for like a week and he fucked it up lol.Then he made a fake name to write cartoon universe insane letters ditching about modern cartoons
>>153937273I said WRONG bad threads. That Schaff thread got derailed by Backseat Jannies for 80% of the thread. I mean, just take a look for your self and tell me that is some extreme seethe I accidently caused. https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/153933917/
>>153936807John K has a funny habit of dissing certain shows but when offered to do a short or two for them he'll do it and delete any criticism he gave of the show, he did this with The Simpsons
>>153937347seems like it shouldn't have been on /co/ to begin with.
>>153937399Lol, what a loser.
>>153937399Is there an archive of that?
>>153937399Exactly when did the deletion part take placeJohn doesn't believe that criticism is a tool against what you hate and don't want to associate with. He critiqued his most loved cartoons.
>>153929181Not an argument>>153935600and you're a sperg, stop deflecting and sneed.
Bump
>>153929113animaniacs, freakazoid all the spielberg cartoons had this very "tryhard" aura to them. they'd constantly reference classic literature and movies. their soundtracks were all composed of high orchestral music. it just in general had a "heh, am I too cultured for you?" vibe to it. despite the target demographic being literal kids who didnt give a fuck about any of that and just wanted to watch funnymen slapstick.meanwhile john k's stuff was the opposite of that. just an angry guy's chaotic vision. it wasn't high art, but it knew that and didnt need to be.
>>153936361Thanks for the informative post, anon.
>>153940606You are such a slob
What are the John k hate threads about ? I know this is a shit posting forum. And there are schizos... Uh that's it huh?
>>153940606t. Mike ScullyI'm aware, Mike. I know you degraded the Simpsons into Homer being angry and getting beaten up in every episode because your kids found it funnier than the more highbrow comedy the show had had before you took over.
