>>153932190
All Harleys are for correction

>>153932190
Was Injustice the first instance of writers justifying Harley's actions? Cause if so then yes, she's the worst
Best is Arkham Harley pre-Shadow where the games made it clear she's a monster who was just as crazy as Joker and only used her obsession as an excuse to become a psychotic killer.

>>153932190
>be better
>do better
Oh my basedance this is the most hecking compelling story I've ever freaking read! More please!

>>153932546
Sounds like it completely misses the point of her character and you only like it because you hate her as a concept. What a larper

>>153932190
Isn't she a pedo

All the Injustice characters are the worst versions of those characters. They're all psychotic dickheads or incompetent morons. Even the good guys who 'do nothing wrong' go ahead and get themselves killed by being as stupid as possible.

It's *kinda* the point, but mostly it's just because it's hackneyed drama-focused writing. The modern term is 'slop'.

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>>153932611
>it completely misses the point of her character
Wrong. In BtAS she also was an irredeemable ass, she was certainly abused by the Joker because he's even worse but she isn't a poor victim.
Asylum and City were both written by Paul Dini (the guy who CREATED Harley) and even though they lack Harley's worst deeds, they still have her do horrible shit like torture people and bomb buildings with hostages and threaten her own crew (though she isn't as violent as Joker). Dini also wrote Return of the Joker where she kidnaps willingly tortures the shit out of Tim Drake until brainwashing him into becoming the Joker, which fits with her in the Arkham games collaborating on torturing Jason Todd. In Return of the Joker she doesn't have a redemption arc, she falls into a hole and becomes a crochety old grandma whose granddaughters are equally psychotic, implying it runs in her family.
It's as retarded as saying Dini intended for Harley and Ivy to be dykes. No, he just liked showing sexy babes (and Bruce Timm loves drawing them) and that got twisted by woke faggots into changing the character.
Arkham is the closest we have ever gotten to a proper serious take on Harley. Even the games not written by Dini follow his instructions on the character, unlike Injustice and other media written by morons.

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>>153932190
I desire Injustice 2 Harley carnally.

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>>153932785
Not feeling that costume

>>153933014
All of the Injustice designs are tacticool trash.

>>153933027
There has to be at least one good design

>>153932951
For all the Cable Guy fans who read Injustice.

>>153933014
I don't recall asking for your opinion.

>>153933072
Probably Batman? It's the Arkham Knight suit if it was way worse and lacked the charm and internal logic of the Arkham Knight suit, but it still looks better than the rest of the game's designs.

>>153932190
How swiftly she gets away with things was a problem, but I'll give it to Taylor he managed to make her flip add up.

Harleen was interested in Joker as a cast study for her career, but Harley jumped all over Joker because he presented her an avenue of escapism others in Gotham didn't. Her finding a more stable Mr. J figure in Oliver's robin hood thing tracks, Oliver and Dinah babysitting her to keep her out of causing problems tracks, Oliver knowing it will also get under the skin of the ruling authority and Batman making it worth the trouble tracks.

Harley gradually beginning to reconsider her choices with Joker from seeing the more ideal Oliver and Dinah works. It all weirdly came together, the issue is how the residual matter of having the accomplice to the threatening the lives of Metropolis, Superman's wife and unborn child hanging around is just sort of swept away. There are bigger problems sure but it's like, and sorry for dredging this tired shit up for the umpteenth time but I go for the examples that are effective, if during Identity Crisis Batman takes Doctor Light into protection and they're chumming it up later on. Yes, I know Barbara calls Bruce out for having a giggle at the end of TKJ, but that's not a good comparison because it was a spur of the moment thing from dwelling on the absurdity of their lives, Harley becomes a prominent part of the resistance.

Admittedly I'm not sure how to resolve it, she's in the game and Harley is a complicated character, but the point remains what we got was too greased.

>>153933086
>Arkham knight suit
>charm

>>153933118
>Yes, I know Barbara calls Bruce out for having a giggle at the end of TKJ
When?

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>>153932190
Love it!

>>153933122
Yes. The Knight batsuit is awesome, it's the armored variants from the previous games upped to 11 with badass new moves and fits in with the lore about Batman being controlled by the Joker and becoming more and more militaristic and violent.

>>153933166
It manages to be even uglier and overdesigned than the nolan suit

>>153933180
>shitting on the Nolan batsuit
Retard. Knight and the Dark Knight trilogy would not have worked if Batman wore his standard grey suit with black undies, it doesn't fit the tone of either experience.
The funniest part is you fags will moan with shit takes like this then suck Morrison's cock with A Serious House on Serious Earth and other comics and movies with objectively horrible designs

>>153932611
Fake fan.

>>153932673
And that's why we all love this version

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>>153933207
>A Serious House on Serious Earth and other comics and movies with objectively horrible designs
You mean the design that's almost entirely obscured by shadow? The design that's *supposed* to make Batman look like a savage creature?

>>153932723
Injustice universe is just young justice universe, aka garbage.

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>>153933260
>The design that's *supposed* to make Batman look like a savage creature?
Except it doesn't fit Batman in ASHoSE, who is a massive crybaby who goes LE HECKIN' INSANE because of muh Arkham crazy place. He also stands around like a fucking retard while gaywad Joker (who looks awful but at least wasn't the originally planned Lady Gaga Joker) goes around killing guards, cause looking at fucking blobs for a psychology test is more important.
Ironically Arkham Knight had a design which was actually fucking scary and wasn't ruined by the story, the nightmare bat from Knightfall.

>>153933259
Arkham universe is fucked up, it has the same retarded shit mandated by didio's editorial.

>>153933317
>/v/tard misses the point.
Typical.

>>153933259
Based
As I said before, Dini intended for Harley to be an irredeemable criminal who excused her psychotic nature under the Joker. It's an abusive relationship but Harley's only in it because it allows her to become an abuser herself
Nu-Harley, victimized Harley, is just not who the character EVER was.
>>153933321
>didio's editorial
Yeah, that's right, it certainly couldn't be that Dini himself thinks Harley Quinn is evil. No, it's totally the editorial that added the story of her bombing kids and stitching them together, or who wrote the City DLC where she almost blows up a building with herself, Batman, Robin, dozens of guards and hundreds of her crew because of her pettiness after losing Joker.
Dumbass.

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>>153933160
Poor phrasing, it wasn't at the end of TKJ, she addresses what happened at the end of TKJ.

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>>153933317
>Arkham Knight had a design which was actually fucking scary
Well you're right about that. It's scary that people actually think tacticool batman looks good

>>153933380
I see no explanation
Typical cope post from Morrisonfags

>>153933403
>omg I was always treated like the weaker version of you
Barbara is a fucking asshole, she didn't lose her parents nor did she go out for 15 fucking years training around the world to be a vigilante
Also while she became wheelchair bound she didn't lose her ability to live a normal life unlike Bruce who in most stories is unable to be anything but Batman

>>153933399
neck yourself selinafag

>>153933484
Why should I waste my time explaining things to /v/tards?

>>153933725
>Telling the truth about Harley is for some reason being a Selinafag
kek, Harleyfags are so fucking annoying. Just accept that your waifu is a crazed criminal willing to murder innocents like the rest instead of coping about shit Dini never intended. Coomers.

>>153933969
why would i give a fuck about cuckdini and timm cuck fetishit fanfic?

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>>153934068
>cuckdini and timm cuck fetishit fanfic?
They literally MADE Harley you retard
Also fanfic Harley is her being a heckin' fixable girllbawss. Batman's hammer of justice is unisex and Harley is a criminal. End of story.

>>153934419
neck yourself selinafag

>>153933598
Batman choose his own tragedy. While what what happened to him was awful, he could have still had a bright and happy life, but he decided to be miserable and paranoid while Barbara had her life being destroyed right in front of her eyes because of a degenerate clown who was created by Batman and everything he does is to get his attention.

>>153932611
Harley is a realistic woman who's biggest fear is accountability

>be better
instant sign of a sycophantic moron who is ironically incapable of applying their own audience ease of identification coded phrases to themselves.

>>153934752
You are offended by the phrase 'be better' because of its connotations. That is unbelievably thin-skinned and you shouldn't criticize anyone else's ability to introspect under the circumstances.

>>153934502
Bait at this point
>>153934597
Barbara also chose the vigilante life. Bruce did it to save Gotham city and he sacrificed himself for decades to save the innocents which were dying like his parents. Barbara didn't even commit to being Batwoman, got shot and now is all pissy
>a degenerate clown who was created by Batman
You only show you don't even understand what the Killing Joke was about. Joker was already unstable and insane before he fell into the acid bath. The comic straight up says that his "one bad day" thing is just a horrible excuse the Joker tells himself to cope with how far he's fallen. Batman didn't create Joker, Joker created himself.

>>153935040
Neck yourself selinafag

>>153935040
>got shot and now is all pissy
She got shoot because of Batman. The Joker wouldn't have cared about her or her father otherwise. Everything the Joker does is all about his obsession with Batman and proving something to him.

Besides, my main point is that Batman is the one who decided to choose a path filled with pain and misery while Barbara had that choice been taken away from her by force.

>>153935161
>She got shoot because of Batman
No. She got shot because she's Gordon's daughter.
>The Joker wouldn't have cared about her or her father otherwise
Gordon is Gotham's police commissioner. The entire point of his plan in TKJ is to corrupt the mind of the most just man in Gotham, that being Gordon who manages Gotham's police.
>Everything the Joker does is all about his obsession with Batman and proving something to him
Completely wrong. This is nu-Batman crap and was NEVER true until AFTER TKJ. Joker does want Batman involved by inviting him but his goal is to corrupt Gordon. He wants to prove his view to the entirety of the world, not just Batman. He invites Batman because he knows it'll test his moral resolve
Tons of things the Joker does are not related to Batman at all. Like 90% of his plans in the comics and animated shows and even Batman '89 are not related to Batman, he just invites him in for a bit of fun. Joker has other motivations than just Batman, he isn't his faggy lover or whatever he became nowadays
>my main point is that Batman is the one who decided to choose a path filled with pain and misery while Barbara had that choice been taken away from her by force
Batman chose a path where he could protect Gotham from evil regardless of how much he hurts himself, didn't want to involve others until completely necessary and never bitches about it (well he did when he was REALLY angry but got over it fast). Batman NEVER blames his issues on others, he always blames himself for when he gets hurt. Barb just has a huge self victimization complex, tons of people die to the Joker's schemes and Batman goes through intense mental and physical anguish to stop a lot of them and she thinks she's the big victim in all of it.
Just in TKJ alone, Gordon got the worse end of the deal by literally being mentally tortured by photos of Barb while naked on a rollercoaster, probably freezing to death.

>>153932723
>All the Injustice characters are the worst versions of those characters
True. It had its moments, but most characters end looking bad to props up Batman who himself didn't look that good despite the hard effort.

>>153935365
>Batman
>getting over anything
Anon, the guy is incapable of moving on and getting over anything. It's why I roll my eyes at people who keep asking why he wasn't chosen by the Green Lantern ring.

>>153935469
When did I say Batman got over anything?

>>153935365
>The entire point of his plan in TKJ is to corrupt the mind of the most just man in Gotham, that being Gordon who manages Gotham's police.
His plan is all about batman in its core. There's a reason why Batman blamed himself for what happened to Babs compared to the countless other tragedies.

>>153935365
>and she thinks she's the big victim in all of it
Because she is since she end up being a collateral damage while Batman CHOSE to walk this path. Babs didn't. She literally retired from vigilante life and decided to focus on her life and help in different way. It's hard to feel sorry for guy who himself decided to sacrifice his own personal life especially considering that we have a similar example in Green Arrow who was still able to live his life while being a vigilante.

>>153935469
>why he wasn't chosen by the Green Lantern ring
Is this for real? The difference between Hal and Bruce makes it quite clear why the former was chosen.

>>153935752
>His plan is all about batman in its core
Wrong. Joker purposefully doesn't target Batman because he believes he already had his bad day, he's already crazy. It means nothing to target him. He targets Gordon because Gordon is sane under his view, ready to break by his one bad day. If you read the story you'd know Joker only invites Batman at the very end of Gordon's torture, the rest of the story is Batman investigating dead ends and leads that go nowhere.
>Batman blamed himself for what happened to Babs
Batman blames himself for anyone hurt under any crime in Gotham. A common plot point is wanting to save everywhere despite that being impossible. That doesn't mean it really is his fault.
>s hard to feel sorry for guy who himself decided to sacrifice his own personal life
Batman is far more admirable than Barbara in doing that. Batman isn't doing this because he likes pain, he does it to save countless thousands from being victims of Gotham's perpetual ouroboros of crime and death. Without Batman, Gotham would be plunged in eternal darkness with millions dying daily. His choice is a sacrifice for the benefit of so many people. He is the savior the city needs but the one it doesn't deserve.
>Green Arrow who was still able to live his life while being a vigilante
Star City is not Gotham. Literally every other person in DC canon treats Gotham and Bludhaven as lost causes, cities so infested with crime that it's literally impossible to fix them. Even Superman would seriously struggle. Green Arrow would not be able to make it a DAY in Gotham.
You treat Batman's choice as if it's some evil self-absorbed choice when Bruce is sacrificing his own wellbeing for the wellbeing of millions while Barb tries to commit for three days as Batgirl, leaves to become a normal girl, gets attacked by the Joker in a way where she's still alive unlike the dozens of people he murders daily and then she cries that Batman is to blame.

>>153935943
>Wrong
Well, agree to disagree.

Also, choosing different path doesn't make her "less" admirable. If anything, the fact she overcame her disability and made something positive out of it is frankly more admirable than Batman and his obsession.

>Bludhaven
Funny you mentioned that since we have another example with another vigilante who still didn't end up being miserable like a certain guy.

>Green Arrow would not be able to make it a DAY in Gotham.
He already did. He is literally currently living in Gotham. Besides, Gotham became 10 times worse after Batman showed up with all the masked criminals that appeared with him.

Yeah, I also watched the Jesterbell video.

>>153936061
>she overcame her disability and made something positive out of it is frankly more admirable than Batman and his obsession
Batman's "obsession" is the only reason Gotham's water supply isn't poisoned and millions dead, or why literal nuclear bombs haven't been blown up in the city. He's why the old criminal empires collapsed. Etc etc.
>Funny you mentioned that since we have another example with another vigilante who still didn't end up being miserable like a certain guy.
Because Dick purposefully got taken in by Batman in order to prevent someone falling down into his own sacrifices. Dick hasn't seen the bottom of the barrel when it comes to Gotham, nor has he experienced the levels of misery that Bruce has. He lost his parents and that's terrible but grew up loved and seeing the good side in life. Even his stints in Bludhaven are far less dangerous and more superficial than Batman's. Which is fair, Dick isn't forced to sacrifice his life for the city.
>He is literally currently living in Gotham
Didn't know that. Still, he is certainly not in Batman's level of crimehunting.
>Gotham became 10 times worse after Batman showed up with all the masked criminals that appeared with him
Correlation doesn't mean causation. There is literally zero evidence that Batman's appearance attracted other criminals or caused them, with very few exceptions. Most grew up with unrelated backstories. Even the Joker was, again, not caused by Batman. The Killing Joke specifically says that Joker would have likely snapped sooner or later, there was always something wrong with him. His "one bad day" and blaming Batman is just mega cope cause he doesn't want to admit it. That's also why he has a multiple choice backstory, to hide his real issues.

>>153932546
BTAS makes a few attempts to paint her as sympathetic (most of them successful), but that was in a continuity where she wasn't willing to help Joker murder 11 million people.

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>>153932190
And yet all the best Harley stories from the last 10 years have been from Injustice.

>>153934597
The whole point of Mask of the Phantasm is that there was never a chance for Bruce. The one person in the whole world who her could relate to as Bruce Wayne and who might have been able to pull him away from that path of vengeance he was set on was already committed to following the same path.

>>153936336
Post them.

>>153932190
Why doesn’t he just kill her she deserves it and can’t be redeemd she’s evil.

>>153935895
Batman doesn't bone 13 year old girls?

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>>153937670
Obviously.
He prefers boys.

>>153936428
Injustice Gods Among Us, Injustice Gods Among Us, and as we all know Injustice Gods Among Us.

Wasn't this Harley horny for a Captain Marvel and she stalked Billy?

>>153932758
>In BtAS she also was an irredeemable ass
dini also wrote Harley's Holiday retard.

>>153932213
ALL of them??

>>153937964
Those books fucking suck and don't make sense. Just like every story Netherealm studios has ever done.
You cannot defend the amateur slop they pass as a story.

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>>153936061
>Gotham became 10 times worse after Batman showed up with all the masked criminals that appeared with him.

Oh you're one of THOSE fags

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The only time I've liked Harley was when Telltale flipped her relationship with the Joker.

Original Harley was a con woman that used her sexyness to get men to give her perks and cheat her way through life, the Joker essentially flipped her scheme on her and since she never earned anything in life, she couldn't escape Joker's control.