>Le small indie company >Shills toys and plushies 24/7I hate this
>>153948296Nobody cares, you autistic retard
>>153948304I careWhy do these indie creators need so much moneyWhat happened to the days when art was made through grit and passion?
>>153948328Lol, you don’t know shit.
>>153948296>Animated pilot has no high-paying distribution contracts.>Sells merch to gauge show interest and keep the studio afloat.>>153948328>What happened to the days when art was made through grit and passion?1. Art's still made with grit and passion.2. The artists, VA's and all that still need paid.God you're fucking retarded.
>>153948296Don’t spend your money on it then retard.>>153948328You sound like such a fucking idiot if you aren’t trolling.
>>153948406>The artists, VA's and all that still need paid.Art is a hobby, not a career. They should have actual jobs and animate on the side like the rest of us
>>153948426>They should have actual jobs and animate on the side like the rest of usOhhhh, you're just mad.Well don't worry, I'm sure someone will take an interest in you.
>>153948426Just keep grinding bro, we're all gonna make it.
>>153948328>>153948426
>>153948426>Art is a hobby, not a careerlmao
>>153948426It used to be a career before the streaming bubble
>>153948500Nope
>>153948426Stop coping, lowly
>>153948500Streaming just gave media a new contract to sign with better terms for companies.And now we have show's pretty much designed to be listened to on the phone while you're hanging up laundry.
>>153948296>enter toy store>there's always inappropriate mascot horror/adult sitcom toys right next to the Mario's and Minecraft's Why the fuck?
fumo clones are everywhere now
>>153948559When you think about it, Netflix paid Alex Hirsch millions of dollars to stop creating things. It's a public service.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YklLiolmM_0
>>153948661Lol, what a salty jackass
>>153948296>>153948328>>153948426People seem to have forgotten that serialized animation is kept afloat literally almost exclusively by merchandise sales. In the 80's,90's,2000's, 2010's it was toy sales, merch, how much advertisers would pay to have their adds during the show's time slots, that was the money that kept animated shows airing and getting new ones greenlit. Anyone who thinks Indi animation can be kept afloat through YouTube add revenue is a retard. If you want to see that tried, remember Cartoon Hangover cranked out a shit ton of animated pilots/shorts and I think 2 of them panned out into series years later, Bravest Warriors, but by that time the hype was dead, and Bee and Puppycat, and again, the hype was dead.If you think pure grit and passion should be all you need to make a series, by all means, work by yourself on your pilot/movie/series/game for years by yourself because you have no money to help you, nobody with any incentive to help you outside of "they're my friend/wife/girlfriend" and the make your vision come true. If you're lucky it will hit the highs of Loki IRL, or Monkey Wrench. Discussed for minutes. Loved by dozens. Destined to remembered via fun facts and trivia, for a few years and then be lost media should your channel get DMCA'd because nobody cared enough to save it on a flashdrive. But hey, you should be happy, you stuck to your core principals, you made art. And like a true artist, you now look down on everyone who didn't drag their balls through broken glass, making their shit like you did. Because now the final lesson of art is hitting you. You can spend a hundred hours making art, but if you're idea or project just wasn't interesting or exciting to anybody, it will be ignored in favor of the dude who was doing all of this shit for the money, and got his message out there because he was smart enough to know how to play the business game, without sacrificing integrity.
>>153948296thats kind of how a company works
>>153948661cartoons get cancelled for not being able to move merch so i don't see what he's complaining about
>>153948694>>153948698
>>153948655I liked Inside Job, fuck you.
>>153948328>I care>Why do these indie creators need so much money>What happened to the days when art was made through grit and passion?Blame Youtube's algorithm change
>>153948857>>153948694
>>153948328you are unemployed
>>153948661I mean, he's right, Glitch is a major production company now and probably shouldn't be defined as indie.
>>153948899Lol, no.
>>153948296i want to buy the jax plush ngl
>>153948899What's up with this weird purity test?
>>153948934It's not a purity test? I have no issue with Glitch but if you're working for them to create a show like Gameoverse you're not making an independant cartoon, they're a distributor and licensee.
>>153948426YOU DON’T HAVE A FUCKING JOB YOU RETARDED NEET
Genuinely never understood this. Feels like an “I have no hobbies and need to feel unique” thing to complain about. Nobody is making you spend money, it’s there for the fans.>but they’re wasting THEIR money!It’s not your money, what does it fucking matter? I don’t go to the grocery store and whine about people buying cereal I don’t like. I just don’t buy it.
>>153948958>>153948988
>>153948296I think the issue is unlike gamerverse tadc only has one good design, Pomni. That's it. That's the tweet.
>>153949046Not really
How is this different from Hasbro?
>>153948296I am just waiting to see if people will turn on them for making so much jax humiliation merch after what ep 9 shows of him, because it is "glorifying mental illness/suicide" or something
>>153948328>>153948426Does anyone else feel like it’s very unsubtle that you never see this fuckass mentality applied to anime and manga? What’s the reason?
>>153948661The button's right here
>>153949057Because Gooseworx actually knows how to advertise a show on social media and get people interested in seeing it in theatre.
>>153949073Sometimes weebs are smarter
>>153949073Anime and manga authors literally already get treated like dogshit and it’s normalized there.Anyone saying they want worse treatment for them would be effective to saying they just want them shot and killed when their work is done.
>>153948328Not starving to death is nice.
>>153948661There's been a lot of reversal of cause & effect thinking studios have the power to make any idea successful rather than just filtering for ideas with legs. Cable got that mentality in the 2010s and look at where that got them.
>>153949073Anime was historically difficult to get access to. It was a very coveted product, and you had to pay a lot of money to get it.Because of this, Weeb culture, unlike cartoon culture, kind of understands that anime and animation is not a free product. Also, OVAs existed and you had to pay rent for them, unlike cartoons, which were basically aired for free or came in a package, so you were never directly paying for the cartoon. Since toyetic cartoons existed, you usually bought the toy, not the animation, so animation fandom in the West is completely divorced from animation as a product. Finally, anime is closer tied to manga, so manga fans have a very good chance of being anime fans. Unlike comics, which have a lower chance of also being cartoon fans. This might seem unrelated, but since comic/manga fans are used to paying for their media, they understand that anime isn't exactly a free product. Whereas cartoon fans are completely divorced from the concept of animation requiring money. Seriously, think about it. How many cartoon fans here actually own a DVD case of their favorite cartoons, or even if they wanted to, does a DVD case of their favorite cartoons exist? My favorite animated series was basically made for free online for some art competition, there is no DVD case for me to buy and own physically. If I could, I'd probably pay the guy, but there's no way to now since contacting him is virtually impossible.
>>153949073its funny how all the people that were made fun of for drawing in anime style 12 years ago are now millionaries (either drawing vtuber models, or becoming popular artists online) because of how popular anime has become globally.
>>153949250This makes me want to search to see if a bean mouth vtuber exists
>>153949073>Country where speaking out against norms is social death has a stagnated approach to pay for animators.GEE, SURE BOGGLES MY BRAIN.Read up on this.https://gogetfunding.com/the-animator-dormitory-project-2026/Yes, it's so bad in Tokyo that it's an idea that even Western equivalents haven't tried yet.Get educated.
>>153949294Anime is a major cultural export for Japan, the animation industry collapsing might actually force the hands of people who can change things for the better.
>>153949057Hasbro is at least more honest about caring more about toy sales than their cartoons.
>>153948426People like you are demon-posssesed.
The viral internet sensation “The Amazing Digital Circus” comes to its long-awaited conclusion in a feature-length theatrical release! This “Last Act” combines episode 8 with the all new, hour long episode 9 for fans to see before anyone else in the world. With Caine gone and the circus dark, the cast are left with only the mistakes and traumas of their pasts to keep them company. As the prospect of eternity closes in around them, they discover the truth about the Digital Circus and its history. Will they come to terms with what they uncover, or will they make…the other choice? Also, presumably at some point someone says something funny, because this ending can’t be THAT depressing, can it??
>>153948426If you think this way you're always going to be the one under the boot.
>>153949395That's a nice thought, makes sense too.Defo means it won't happen tho.
>>153948296>>153948328How do you expect them to stay in business?
>>153949484He wants them to grind out cartoons while working a day job for the rest of their lives, because he isn't going to escape his own miserable life and neither should anyone else.
>>153949073It's basically what >>153949247 said, anime has cultivated a demographic where even the smelliest, most self-absorbed otaku NEET understands supply-and-demand, that they need to actually make and spend enough money on something in order to get more of it, meanwhile for genuinely incomprehensible reasons western animation has attracted hordes of people who sincerely believe shit like webm related was made entirely for free on an actual week-to-week basis (because they have zero idea how the logistics of the animation pipeline functions) and get jilted when it's pointed out that people need money for things like food and housing
>>153948988>I don’t go to the grocery store and whine about people buying cereal I don’t like.Pussy. When I got shopping I actively football block grannies from the bran cereal section and bitch them out until they cave and buy some fucking sugary shit like Lucky Charms or Fruit Loops. Fuck those blue hairs and their fiber.
>>153949247I mean, if you're a millenial sure, your average zoomer/gen alpha grew up with anime being essentially free to them.
>>153949598Lol, nice fanfic
>>153949657Oh gee, ya fucking think?
>>153949526>>153949247
>>153948328Do you ...want the show to be animated on napkins?
>>153949757huh
>>153948328But if it's a porn "artist" PLEASE SUPPORT MUH POOOOORN PLEASE PLEASE 500 TRILLIION $$$ A WEEK ISN'T ENOUGH OMG JUST PAY THE $10 MONTHLY FOR THIS PRECIOUS STARVING ARTIST I NEED THIS THIRDIE FAGGOT WHORE TO MAKE POOOORN PLS GIB MONIbest thing about Russia/Ukraine is a lot of these niggers were sent to die. All the moaning from you simps counting the fallen made me so happy. I hope you simps fucking die too.
>>153948296>>153948328>>153948426He wants the cartoon to be animated on printer paper, colored in by crayons, voiced by one guy doing bad impression on a budget microphone, edited with MS paint.
>>153949972Sounds funny.
you can really tell that the people who hate the idea of artists making a livable wage are either a: have the boomer mindset of thinking art is a useless skill and think being a doctor layer engineer is epic b: crabs mad that they haven't made it
>>153949972That just the big lez showAnd even he gets paid for it kek
>>153948296>waaahhhh why can't my idea get hundreds of millions of views and sell a ton of merch too? Maybe I should crowdfun- oh wait I'm in a Twitter circle with a bunch of Marxists. Maybe I should make a youtube video about how Glitch plushes are Late Stage Capitalism
>>153949972>>153949997>>153949980I miss when you had to work to get your shit greenlit but nowadays all you need to do is be big already and Glitch will greenlight it without even watching it and make ton of shit made in China ready to be sold before the pilot even get uploaded
>>153950150Stop embarrassing yourself further
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7bsaUslAbrm594uKBq_eYdOcOcj6BpmHThere is an ocean of amateur indie pilots with zero reach and these people never name drop them because they don't actually care about small creators, they're just envious of successful projects.
>>153949972This has me thinking. Other than for-profit universities, where are the "making a better indie pilot course" grifters?
>>153951113Dudebros are the kinds of scammers who lack the empathy to steal from people. They don’t care about art. At the same time there are artists offering courses on background design to better your portfolio for industry jobs. I guess there just hasn’t been anyone opportunistic enough to see the opportunity. Or maybe no one has tried to see if there is demand yet. Very few pilots have been able to actually get picked up by Amazon and fewer make any money. Now if pilots were getting picked up left and right you’d see way more demand from people trying to increase their skills in order to be picked up.
>>153951230>Dudebros are the kinds of scammers who lack the empathy to steal from people.I think it’s the reverse
>>153950370>Pilot CentralI literally just discovered that channel like a week ago. Pure Kino.I wonder how they find all those pilots, and if they manually adjust the playlist to order by views or if there's some kind of setting for that.
>>153948296>selling merch of a dead and raped characterhuh?
>>153951687
Hello everyone, I'm from r/communism and someone there linked this thread. Without calling me a Redditor, can anyone explain how this is morally correct? Because it's not. It's exploitation and it needs to fucking die.
I'm always surprised by the contempt that some people have towards artists.
>>153948328I work at Glitch and it's a second job. It is grit and passion. >>153948426Sad cope. Get good
>>153951782Hope you are joking
>>153951742somehow I knew someone would reply with this
>>153951782People demand merchandise based on the cartoon, glitch supplies the merchandise based on the cartoon, and china is communist so reddit can't call the manufacturing part exploitation
>>153948296>Shills toys and plushies 24/7>at target>at hot topic>on amazon>at gamestopSo small. Such indie. Wow.
>>153951742Shut up, NEET.
>>153951887Yes.Because.The.Series.ISN'T.BOUGHT.BY.A.NETWORK.
>>153951887>>153951910
>>153951930>>153949757>>153948997>>153948773Ok, you got me. What's your mental issue where you've had to quote two posts and post nothing else over the last 7 hours?
>>153951687have you never watched anime?
I don't know why /co/ spergs about this, the alternative is donating to a Patreon where the thing you want may or may not come out in a timely manner
>>153951975Just telling the truth
>>153952003Ew, Patreon! Those fucking beggers! True artists shouldn't need to be paid. They should make their art because they're passionate about it!
>>153951999no I have never watched anime
This is what's waiting for you if your cartoon becomes 1/10 as successful as an industry show from 15 years ago. A rabid twitter dogpile.
>>153952123Stop baiting people into watching trauma dump therapy sessions
>>153948328Do you think good will and happy thoughts alone will cover the cost of animation?
>>153952123>ge interacts with the fans despite it being completely and totally optional and in fact historically the fans never directly interacted with showrunners prior to 2010
>>153948328Total Communist DeathLet artists live from their art you gibsmedat nigger.
>>153952154They will if you just man up and learn the value of hard work
>>153952222Really?
>>153952248Shut up, you unemployed cunt.
>>153952248Gr8 b8 I r8 8/8I love coming home with bags full of vaule of hard work for lunch n dinner, fills me up with nothing at all!I'll just pay mah landlord with my value of hard work, bills too!Seriously say sike.
>>153948296Don't give this thing money
So... is OP "trolling" or what zoomers think trolling is? Because he seems to be constantly responding to people like he is stereotype LARPing. 10 years ago that would be considered too obvious.
>>153952288>gr8 b8 Bro I haven’t seen someone say that in a looong time
>>153952145They tried making normal cartoons like Talon and the Champions of Saurithia but they didnt get hundreds of millions of views
>>153952297I will now, thanks
>>153952297What's that? I can't hear you over me telling you to go fuck yourself.>>153952318And that's why you can tell I'm old enough to have to pay for shit and be personally annoyed by this thread and its weird detractors of "ArTiStS sHoUlD eAt ThE pApEr ThEy DrAw On To SuRvIvE."
>>153952297But she killed my least favorite character, I HAVE to let her know I support her.
>>153948296I mean can we also talk about how the majority of main stream cartoons have had little to no merch for the past like, decade?Seriously, what cartoon post 2016 has genuine official merch like toys or figures. Most are lucky to get a comic or epilogue novel released 8 years after they finished running.Or some are lucky to get dedicated fans who strike licensing deals with the creators and are extremely limited in supply and availability.
>>153952510>Seriously, what cartoon post 2016 has genuine official merch like toys or figures.Here, have this.
>>153952510I'm a little confused what cartoon publishers want. They cancel every action boy show for not selling enough toys yet they keep funding calart blob shows that are impossible to make toys with outside of maybe plush toys? Is the menopausal millennial with a shelf of stuffed toys market that strong?
>>153953355They aren’t making cartoons, period.
>>153948296its fucking hilarious how no one can make a single valid claim to "criticize" about glitch. it's all the most petty and trivial shit imaginable and there's always a completely understandable counterargument to your pathetic attempts at finding something to complain about glitch.
>>153948661He's right, but still sounds like an annoying ass retard.
>>153948296Toys and merch are how animations make money. John K lied to you all.>>153948328No one wants to work for free. And the goal for most is to get paid for your art work.
>>153948296Glitch is wrong for shilling merch because TADC is absolute trash compared to my project that I haven't released or completed or done any work on or summarized into a coherent elevator pitch. But it's better.
>Please buy merch of our character being forcibly outed and uncomfortable wearing a dress. Isn't it so fucking funny!??
>>153954977Yes
>>153948296Enjoy getting Megas XLR'd
>>153952003>the thing you want may or may not come out in a timely mannerIt took three years for TADC to release nine episodes, and some of the episodes did get delayed.
>>153948559
>>153948328>>153948296everyone knows this is bait but they want a shadow to box
>>153954977jeez, you really can't take a joke, can you?
>>153954822Not right
Disney started out making cartoons by himself anon. Empires grow>>153948328Money is energy anon, they wanna make their art through grit and passion and food and shelter and job security.
>>153948296Being so real I would not give a single fuck about Glitch merch until they started pumping out those fucking Gacha blind box shit.Fucking hate anything where you have to gamble to get the thing you actually want or have to scour resale sites and end up paying double just to get the specific item. And now they fucking make sure every single new episode release has a new series of them so there’s more opportunities for people to gamble their money away. And don’t even get me started on the ripoff Labubu bullshit too.Fuck blind boxes, fuck gacha.
>>153955226Lol, you won’t
>>153955253Not with attitude mister, no game cube for the rest of the week. Now go to bed
>THE ART SHOULD BE FREE!!!!
>>153948328Times have changed. Creatives can't afford to make indie cartoons simply out of passion. Everything's getting more expensive these days, so I don't blame anyone for having a Patreon or whatnot. I certainly wouldn't fault Glitch for shilling merch for their hit cartoon anyone can watch for free. It's not like they're FORCING you to buy Amazing Digital Circus plushes. You do know you have free-will, don't you?
>>153948296Jealous much?
>>153955144I am glad this guy peaked with Gravity Falls and never recovered
>>153948296>Le I shan't read anymore.
>>153954998wazzat mean
Glitch Productions is about as indie as Valve Corporation is and OP is Tim Sweeney having a conniption over people being effortlessly more successful than him without submitting to shareholders.
>>153952154It is for fan animators, but when it's your own IP suddenly it costs $50,000 to even think about animating
>>153959511whatever you say buddy lol
>>153948328>t. 14 years old
>>153948296>>153948328I think you severely underestimate just how fucking expensive animation can get on a schedule with good or just decent (visual) quality
>>153959511Valve is so independent that multiple (((countries))) are filling (((lawsuits))) around the clock trying to strip their independence and fall in line
glitch should stop selling merch and stop paying their artists with money, and instead pay them with blowjobs, gentle pats to the head, and frequent "good job! so proud of you" comments. surely that equates to a studio apartment, health insurance, utilities, and food.
>hates on indie creators for releasing marketable plushies>hates on Bill Watterson for NOT releasing a marketable plushie
>>153948296https://youtu.be/CysJLhfeaVc
>>153962135These children of Satan will not stop subverting till Jesus finally kills them and their families.
>>153948296Glitch's animation is really high quality and animation is expensive. They are funded almost entirely by merch sales. Stop being a dishonest retard, faggot OP
>>153962462Fuck off
>>153962470Are you seriously mad Jesus will end these bullies and make them unable to continue on even when they lock themselves to their bunkers?
Okay OP, explain your air-tight business model of raising the millions and millions of dollars needed (for writing, storyboarding, animation, sound effects, music, voice acting, editing) to fund a nine episode cartoon totaling about five hours in length.
>>153948328>what happened to doing shit for freeNothing is free. Not in this economy
if you want artists to make art for free, then why not advocate for UBI, so they don't have make money to live comfortably?
>>153948899Minor.It's a minor production company. We have words in this industry that mean things. No one in their right might would have called Rooster Teeth or TGWTG/Channel Awesome "major production companies" just because they made money and distributed other people's work. For GLITCH to be a "major" production company, it has to actually be relied upon by real people in the industry. Until they're hired by Disney or WB to do animation for a big studio project, they're still a minor.
>>153948296Do you think money just falls out of trees?
>>153948296>I hate this, because I didn't came up with anything creative to make easy money. I realize now why mom keeps saying every christmas "sigh, should have that abortion... oh hey anon, didn't see you there"
>>153949073Anime fans since it’s inception have known that people need to get paid if they want more content.
>>153948661>sell idea to nick or cn>ignored completely or it gets created, lasts for a single season because it did horrible in ratings compared to yellowbob and ttg
>>153949526>the average weeabooThis show will never get a second season if I don't buy every volume of the manga, every toy put out, every video game cameo, and the board game the American distributor literally didn't have to translate and bring over, but did because they want to help get that second season out, too.>the "smartest" indie animation fanHOW DARE THESE FUCKING POSERS ASK FOR MONEY?! YOU EITHER MAKE ME MY SERIES OR FUCKING DIE. FORCING ME TO BUY ANY "MERCH" IS THE MORE ANTICONSUMERIST INDUSTRY BULLSHIT IMAGINABLE! YOU'RE NO DIFFERENT THAN DISNEY
>>153952051Pretending to be retarded only invites genuine retards.
>>153958521i'd be burned out too if i ever worked with disney bullshit
Why does this show make /co/ seethe so much? Is it because the creator is trans? Or because they identified with Jax too much and couldn't handle him getting btfo?
Merch is how shows make a profit. That's how it was for decades. From 2010-2020ish they seemed to think they could just do it for the art, but we saw how that ended up.
>>153962962Partly because the creator is a tranny and injects their mentall illness and personal issues into the show, and partly because of the show ending up being horrendously shit (becausr of the above). So one kind of feeds into the other.
>>153962523We charge 60 million hoseholds $80/mo to produce entertainment and give $1-2 of that to cartoon studios
>>153963233Fuck off.
>>153962962>creator is transIt's that and the show falling off overtime, the fanbase behind it, ect.
>>153948296>get almost an entire high quality animated series for free>WAAAAH WAAAAH IM BEING ADVERTISED TO >IM A PISSY RETARDED BABY NIGGER WHO THINKS ANIMATION IS FREE
>>153948296Buy the toys, manchild.Come on, eat your slop.
>>153948296You sound miserable
>>153951913Ah yes, the only thing that matters is whether or not a TV network has airing rights. So what is Netflix by your standards?
>>153951887Independent means it isn't funded by investors. Independent isn't synonymous with "small and refuses to make merchandise, licensing, and distribution deals."
>>153966271A publicly traded C Corporation
>>153948296>N-No, it should be Mattel shoveling shit down my throat in ads on the remains of a kid's network! Reee!I can only imagine the smell.
>>153948694B-but taking money at all is "lacking integrity" (somehow)! They should just be making New Adventures of Johnny Quest forever, for free, because!
>>153966340And what about all the companies investing in them to distribute said merch and episodes of their shows on Netflix?
>So, you're peddling plushes and figurines? Huh. Not so "indie" after all *slices your throat and chops you in half before taking a sip of monster*
>>153964212>>153964256
>nigger is surprised tranny series by a tranny wants to market tranny tier merchandise to tranniesyou some kinda retard, nigganon?
Late stage capitalism has destroyed the animation industry. It is why China and Latin America are the future of the medium.
>>153966828Distribution deals are not the same thing as having investors.
>>153967157Take your meds>>153967165Lmao
>>153967165Latin America is socialist?
>>153968056No, they are just Red-flavored and Blue-flavored oligarchies
>>153948296
>>153948296>Maid Jax HNNNNNGHH...
>>153967165You mean Nigeria and Indonesia
>>153948694>Discussed for minutes. Loved by dozens.Not OP but I actually wouldn’t mind that, modern fanbases are fucking insufferable.A few people get a good experience out of my thing, and then move on with life instead making it their entire identity.The hard part would be getting it made with help from other people using this rationale.
There have been plenty of animated internet series and animation communities for years. All of these problems are specific to the subset of indie that's been inspired by vivziepop to LARP as Adult Swim. Remove the word "pilot" from the title of a youtube video and suddenly nobody cares about merchandising and a team of basement amateurs can make a living.
Cartoons don't make any money.Merch does.It's really that simple.
>>153948328Grit and passion take time, and time costs money.
>>153975344But what about fan-made series like Abridged?
>>153975606The few episodes that arent instantly demonetized will cover the used blue snowball mic
>>153975606Why can't youtube poop artists get a cafe in Japan and millions of dollars?
>>153971259Pomni...
>>153948296Just because they're independent doesn't mean that they're not a business, anon.
>>153977699Indie means alternative means counterculture means punk means marxist means charity means give me free plushes
>>153975606They sell merch with quotes and in-jokes on them
>>153977925no, Indie as a shorthand just means "independent", whether is a single guy, a small team, a medium sized studio or even a big private company with no subsidiares or shareholders
>>153980095Anon was being sarcastic
