Fucking great show that didn't last as long as it should have because the Earth is gay as fuck. This isn't even a "show might have gone on too long and gone to shit" thing because we know about what some of the later episodes would have been like and they're great. I'm sad AS didn't have the money to fund more and got spooked after Big O's second season flopped in the money department.

>>153949224
It was really good, I'm glad that people still talk about it. I'm also glad that it has stayed dead, I don't want to see a terrible revival.

Both a really cool show and one of those time capsule pieces, watching it feels like getting transported straight back to that 1999 - 2001 cultural era.

>>153949224
A peak at the world before 9/11.

>>153949224
>Fucking mediocre show that is overrated for its unique visuals and the fact that it didn't go on long enough to become objectively horrid like most adult animation
ftfy

>>153949388
Expansion Pack? What the hell is an expansion pack?

>>153949224
Kafkaesque

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>>153949368

penis penis penis

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>Literally only has 13 episodes
>Tons of moments from the show are memes or quotes that people still use
Genuinely feel like this could have had a Simpsons-level impact if it lasted longer and was allowed to find an audience.

>>153949455
I always thought her hairline looked weird, like she's balding on the front.

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>>153949478
there's a lot of girls with that hairline.

>>153949478
I think it's just supposed to be really thin blonde hair, like how Charlie Brown isn't actually bald. The cartoon does take a ton of influence from 60s comics after all.

>>153949521
>>153949515
Still would.

One of the best shows of its era

>>153949224
Genuinely my favorite cartoon of all time, period.
Where de beans at, where de beans at, where de beans at

>>153949473
It’s a show that very should have had the chance to live in the 2000’s and then die in the mid 2010’s

>>153949224
Andy was supposed to change his job each season until eventually getting into animation like Matt Groening. Where would he go after unavoidably leaving (or getting kicked out of) Jim's office?

>>153949224
It was good

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>>153950133
I feel like it could have stayed relevant into the mid-00s or so, wouldn't have minded it lasting 5-ish seasons.

Never skip intro

The gimmick that the showrunner wanted was good, Animate sitcom is too linked to status quo compared to the LA sitcom which the character grown up. But I doubt they would have pulled well or they would let them do, South park tried twice and failed.
I think like the critic it started too soon, was released at the time of futurama and would had 2 more season.

Absolutely fucked by the networks. Extremely charming show all around, Oakley and Weinstein really batted it oit of the park. Great writing, great animation, lovely color palette, some real heavy hitters in the voice acting
>what was wrong wit our regular condoms?
>nothings wrong with them, these were on special, thats all
>you cheap, gay bastard, these things are gonna FLY RIGHT OFF

Didn't a bunch of the lead people for AtLA work on Mission Hill before?

>>153949224
I found the color palette nauseating

>>153949224
Wish they made Peter Bagge's Hate comic into a tv show instead

>>153949224
It was great. Glad we at least got that acted out storyboard that might as well be considered the finale at least.

>>153949405
are you doing a joke or are you really that young
it's what they used to call DLC before the 'DL' part was possible.
>>153950046
i wish I could have a Weirdie GF...
>>153950652
one of the best gags ever written
i cant believe how long it took me to realize that part of the joke is he's in a trenchcoat, he's a public flasher. but he works entirely in audio
>>153951729
This made me laugh, but why the fuck would monogamous gays need condoms? Aint gonna get each other buttpregnant, and if they had aids they'd be dead by now.

>>153952550
That is so kafkaesque

>>153949224
It's a charming show, but it missed its window. It came out at a time when a lot of Gen X had stopped watching cartoons, and when Millennials were still a bit too young to appreciate it. I think if it'd come out five years earlier or five years later it would've been a hit.

I liked it as a kid for some reason and I like it a lot more now.

>>153952489
>but why the fuck would monogamous gays need condoms? Aint gonna get each other buttpregnant, and if they had aids they'd be dead by now.
Anal sex without some lubrication hurts and tears like a motherfucker. Condoms are lubricated.

This segment depresses me every time

https://youtu.be/_KRpna3yA80

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>>153951954
Who?

>>153952837
you cant just squirt some lube in there?
also how is that not kind of a hint the penis doesn't GO in there

>>153949224
Great show. Biggest mistake was airing on WB instead of on Adult Swim.

>>153952852
It's always overlooked but Jim's "okay" is perfect there. Like yeah, he always says that, but this time it really did sound like he was basically saying "yeah, sure they did, Andy". He knows his friend is stupid, and I love that he expresses that here.

>>153954792
i'm so sick of that being the thing that killed shows..
sorry Dilbert, the only network that would pick you up is *reads notes* UPN? that can't be right. Wait okay, so this is.. it's a network with Star Trek, so that fits.. uh.. but it is the sexy, popcorn-y Star Trek.
Let's see what your lead-in show is. Uhh it says here.. "Homeboys in Outer Space."
... look, it was this or a web cartoon.

>>153954862
Both terrible.

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>>153954997
both?

>>153952600
It's more that WB didn't give a shitt about cartoons. I really wish CN had picked up a new season for AS but the time for any sort of revival is long passed unless you're explicitly making it a period piece. I can imagine a lot of Xers and older millennials getting something out of throwback to their glory days.

>>153957826
you know what my glory days were?
when nobody said 'millennial'

hell I'd even take the early days of when they started saying it, when it meant gen Z.

the episode about tom kenny's character movie is unironically one of the most beautiful, heartfelt pieces of art i have seen and espouses a life philosophy beyond anything i could ever fathom any prime time cartoon exhibiting

It's just... Beardly.

>>153949224
>What do you think about Mission Hill?
s'okay

>>153953057
But then why is there a fun button inside?

>>153957917
>We're as close as an elderly gay man and a straight teenage boy can be, Kevin.
>>153958823
I have my doubts about that. If nothing else, there has to be an easier way to get there.

>>153949224
Finally a Family Guy show that doesn't look like Family Guy nor is it written like Family Guy.

I liked Mission Hill the most out of the 3 adult shows: the others being ... shit I forgot their names ... ok Downtown and the animated college show where 3/4 of the characters have an art style that makes them look like they came from different shows.

Mission Hill was interesting by separating the main character into two characters thus allowing the main one to be less of a loser than the first one. The first one being his little brother where I swear his episodes feel like South Park kiddie crap compared to his big brother episodes.

>>153960242
>and the animated college show where 3/4 of the characters have an art style that makes them look like they came from different shows.
Oh you're talking about Undergrads right? Gimpy especially looks uncanny.

>>153949224
I feel like if Family Guy didn’t exist, Adult Swim would’ve revived this show.

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>>153949289
That era was quite something for adult animation: lots of visual variety, unlike all the Family Guy/Rick and Morty clones we have now.

>>153960337
Yep Undergrads.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-aGZh8Nd38

>>153960744
All 4 MC's were voiced by the same guy.

There's a movie grift currently ongoing, but that was supposed to be out before the end of last year and all we know currently is
>He's working on tech to turn 2D frames into 3D models
>He's working on tech to turn 3D models into 2D frames

So yeah I'm sure progress is running smoothly when he's making 2 different movies in 2 different dimensions and using AI to justify the expenses.

>>153960901
Why the fuck doesn't he just let it go? The people who watched this show are probably in their mid 40s at this point. Zoomers can't relate to it neither so what's the appeal?

It's a good show.

It's fun but it's also pretty weird to see a show that takes place in such a specific time and place: 1999 New York or Chicago, complete with semi-employed losers like Andy still living in massive apartments or guys getting insanely rich because they "know computers"

>>153960678
I unironically feel like this was the start of a new era of animation that never took off because of networks being retarded. There seemed to be a real movement to create highly visually distinct adult animation around then that just got assfucked by retarded management.

>>153961642
It is a wild time capsule of pre 9/11 America, imagine how idyllic shows about the present are going to look in 25 years

>>153962036
I like to think that we're living in a rerun of the 1970s with worse music and that just like how 1999 looked way better than 1974, 2051 is going to look way better than 2026.

>>153949375
What’s wrong with her hairline?

>>153960678
Newspaper with a buncha different art styles running side by side in the strips was still a ubiquitous household item at the time, now channels are brands

>>153949405
You used to have to buy a physical disk that cost as much as the game itself to get DLC. A good example of this is: World of Warcraft: the Burning Crusade

>>153949521
Examples?

>>153952489
You can get AIDS from avail sex it's caused by micro tears in your anus absorbing fecal particles

>>153958823
It's vastly exaggerated and doesn't really work unless you stop penis stimulation for an extended period of time, and even then doesn't feel very good

>>153952600
Didn't Adult Swim rerun it once like five years later? I remember hoping it was going to get a revival

>>153961642
it wasnt ny, it was literally a mix of san francisco and seattle, mostly the later.

>>153960678
it's funny, when Simpsons was hitting it big, there were a ton of failed attempts at simpsons clones.. high budget, offbeat shows like Family Dog that failed to actually connect with anyone.. not to mention things like Home Movies that got greenlit 'just in case it becomes a simpsons' then canceled when it 'didn't become a simpsons'

but by this point, the turn of the century.. things were already waning, and they were trying one last slightly-risky move to try to get a hit. But once 9/11 happened, suddenly only GIGANTIC hits counted as successes, so everything got swiftly canceled.

>>153960901
dude that's how this works. you keep your fingers in every pot. and training the AI on -yourself- is logical. Now he can draw just the keyframes, and the AI can do the inbetweening. The only alternative is huge roomfuls of korean slaves. AI doesn't justify expense, it eliminates it.

>>153962036
Dude this is going to be a fucking cultural wasteland nobody cares about, just like the last 20s.
>>153963267
anon no

>>153963397
god I miss Seattle.
it annoys me that nintendo and valve are making it too expensive to live there, but not producing anything good anymore.

they're not hot pants, they're karai pantsu. Spicy pants.

>Man, he was SPANKIN it!

>>153964234
Outsourcing inbetweening already killed the craft making things worse and lazier will not magically pay off

>>153968111
the craft was killed in the late 50s?

>>153949224
Gone too soon and impossible to revive due to how much of a product of its time it was

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>>153949224
I watched some of the first episode and enjoyed it. I have to continue watching it to get the full experience of it.

>>153969246
Thankfully the whole series is on YouTube now.
Also, Hitler called, he wants his haircut back!

>>153968406
How many people in America who can draw like they did in the 50s are animating cartoons full time with a pension?

>>153949224
Scott Pilgrim before Scott Pilgrim

It wasn't that funny but it's obscure so I have to pretend to like it.

>>153968973
we need more period pieces!... but yeah. they'd make it obnoxious now.

>>153969614
>IIII VANT MY HAIRCUT BECK!
>>153969645
er, none? But they were for the next 40 years, very successfully, through the use of outsourced inbetweening. Well, it was pretty fucking rough for a while there, in the cheapo kiddo era, but it got better again. renaissance and all that.
it's only recently it's gone to pot. Nothing has changed re: outsourced inbetweening. in fact, if anything, we do it LESS now. Due to more shitty flash doll shows and tiny artisanal shit that gives you like 8 episodes every 2 years.

>>153969890
you didnt laugh at Tom Kenny playing an Ewok actor who was actually exactly like a human Ewok, and then tried to break up a fight with a rousing round of "Yub Nub" ?

The world wasn't ready for it

>>153951954
I know for a fact Eshaz or whatever wrote on the show

>>153949224
Making my way through it. It's pretty fun, if a little generic a times. The art style is fun and the voice actors do a really good job giving their characters...well...character.

>>153951081
indeed

>>153949224
I haven't watched it since I was a kid, but I didn't really like it back then, it was just something to pass the time til what I liked came on. I get the feeling I'd probably like it if I watched it now though. It seems like the kind of show you can appreciate and enjoy more as an adult than as a kid who just wanted to watch Family Guy.

>>153974437
Definitely. This is the ACTUAL kind of 'not a kids' show' not the mom-kind

actually they touch on that IN the show. Kevin wants to sneak into an X-rated movie, but then he realizes it's just super deep and doesn't have any nudity, and the old guy is like 'back then X meant films for mature palates.. art films, etc.' like something a kid would have no interest in.

>>153952489
>but why the fuck would monogamous gays need condoms?
to avoid poopdick, you dumbass

easily one of the best cartoons i ever watched.
weird how pink eye was the best episode and we only have the animatic for it.

>>153949224
why his hair blue

What would've happened if we got this show back instead of Clone High? What if everyone gave their attention to this show instead a few years back?

>>153949224
>Mission Hill comes on adult swim
>Andy and co are "adults" from my perspective
>25 years go by
>watch Mission Hill
>Andy and co are barely old enough to drink
I don't enjoy aging

>>153978269
it would be modern seattle, ny and sf culture, but even shittier.

>>153978269
It wouldn't work, the last holdouts of this kind of world were basically dead by 2005 and as a broader cultural element were dead by 2003. Even if they brought back all of the original writers they've been removed from that world for over 20 years. Also the animation would look like fucking ass, Mission Hill was genuinely well-animated and people can't animate for dick these days.

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>>153950652
SILENCE!

HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I TOLD YOU TO DO SOMETHING USEFUL WITH YOUR SPARE TIME

>>153974906
I'll try to give it a rewatch then. I've got a long backlist of stuff I want to watch and rewatch first, but Mission Hill definitely seems like it deserves a revisit. Maybe Baby Blues too, you remember that show? I kinda liked that one even when I was a kid. Oblongs too.

>>153952943
Bryke and Aaron Ehasz all worked on Mission Hill (Koinetzko was a storyboarder, DiMartino was a director, Ehasz was a writer).

>>153978269
most of those shows are products of their time made by people with that time's mindset.

Look at the new regular show episodes. They are mostly made of ideas they couldn't adapt at the time which is why the episodes are on par with the old ones but some of the dialog and character designs are clearly made by zoomers and don't find the show.

>>153976096
isnt that a reason to like, not stick it in there?
or I dunno, keep yourself clean

>>153982420
Baby Blues is fucking amazing. It's another shame it never went any further. it's not like it reinvented anything, but it did sitcoms better than basically any sitcom. It was Drew Carey Show tier.
And it had a fun dynamic where the main nuclear family tropes were all the wacky neighbor family, so the primary couple is really just young parents with a baby.. it's different for them. Oh and their pediatrician was a HOOT.

>>153969890
Its a show you don't like with a cult following that makes you feel insecure so you have to pretend you're being forced to like it.

>>153985469
man that has become so widely true now.. people martyring themselves when they already won

>>153985364
I remember his best friend at work always seemed like the kind of guy to perv on his wife, but to my knowledge he never did, right?

>>153986224
nope he was basically just the same work-friend from The Mask. it was the style at the time. Family man (lonely single or successfully married) has a man-slut friend because haha it's the 90s! promiscuity, right?
He still behaved himself with his friend, he just perved at every other woman.

>>153949224
I miss the early 2000's

>>153986456
i do too...
I knew someday I'd be missing 'my day' but I thought I'd at least GET 'my day' first.. Instead of just a time when TV and internet were good, and now we don't even have that.

>>153985938
>people martyring themselves
Nah that's not what I'm talking about.

>>153986682
he's pretending to be being forced when he is not

>>153986350
Huh. Just goes to show the damage Family Guy did to that archetype, considering how Quagmire's character devolved.

>>153988039
Family Guy was parodying it, pretty sure. Quagmire was a deliberate exaggerated joke right from the start.

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>>153949224
I only remember the episode where his little brother gets caught masturbating. I should try to rewatching it since I only saw a couple of episodes when I was like 12.

In 2018 there was going to be a Gus & Wally (the gay guys) spinoff but it got cancelled. Its cancellation was probably for the better considering our current political/cultural climate.

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>>153978956
Yeah the Y2K era was gone after the 2004 shift

>>153992288
yeah though the creators did kinda say that paradigm was just to draw in the network, that they wouldn't REALLY focus on Gus and Wally, rather, they would include them as main characters alongside the other core four, making a total of six.

>>153992395
>final episodes
kek, it's like seeing a list of people who died in cape comics.

>>153990863
>gets caught masturbating
we need this type of plot line to come back into comics and cartoons again

>>153949224
Looks boring

>>153992410
>that they wouldn't REALLY focus on Gus and Wally, rather, they would include them as main characters alongside the other core four, making a total of six.
that was pretty much the original show anyway

>>153994761
I honestly don't know if we could, kids these days are so inundated with the internet and gooner content that Kevin's freakout and shame about porn wouldn't be understandable - it'd just make him look weird, and not in the way the show intended.

>>153988780
>>153990155
Kinda cute, actually...

>>153952194
I found the color palette both original and sophisticated, because I'm not retarded nor blind