For the life of me, I never understood why this "lawsuit" moved forward. Why didn't they place this guy in a mental asylum?
>>153964039Everybody wanted an excuse to finally steamroll the supers for being more trouble than they were worth.
>>153964039he was ahead of his time
>>153964039Never underestimate the pettiness of 'small' people.
>>153964039Because in court he showed on the doll where exactly this Super touched him
>>153964039Because the justice system’s a circus. Why do you think MAID’s a thing now?
>>153964039It's kind of like China. Someone is "injured" or trying to kill themselves but if you volunteer to aid them or "save them", you will be held liable for their injury. In this retard's case, he was injured when Robert/Mr. Incredible halted his suicide by tackling him into the building during freefall, which made him file a lawsuit on his injuries. As for why he was never sent to a nut house is unclear. Maybe he was sent to one offscreen but saying that would be cheating because the movie never addressed it and we the audience can't come to that conclusion.
>>153964039>Why yes, I sued the guy who saved me from killing myself.*wins*
>>153964641Honestly, I wonder if he ever used that as a conversation starter. "The man who sued a super and won" does have some appeal to it
>>153964055Came to say this. The news reel segment heavily implies resentment against supers has been simmering for a while now. This event plus the train accident was really the big push people needed to justify banning them.
>>153964055Bingo. It wasn't a real lawsuit. It was the corrupt system opportunistically shutting down supes by using a convenient, highly publicized court case to get what they wanted.
>>153964039Because Brad Bird is an objectivist so he hates the government except for the army. He needed a normie getting in the way of an exceptional and chose the most ridiculous scenario he could think of
>>153964985>and chose the most ridiculous scenario he could think ofI hate to break it to you but people have successfully sued others for injuring them when trying to save them
>>153965122Only in shitholes like China. US and other semi-civilized places have "good Samaritan" laws specifically to protect against people from liability when attempting to save someone.
>>153964039I just realized something>attempt suicide>supe stops you>either you win cash or supe kills you out of spiteThis guy was playing both sides
>>153964265Based china
>>153966470Bing Chilling
>>153965275>US and other semi-civilized places have "good Samaritan" laws specifically to protect against people from liability when attempting to save someone.False. Its a general law and varies from state tto state. He still would have been sued for slamming the poor man into a building
>Good Samaritan protections fail when a rescuer acts with gross negligence, provides care beyond their training, or has a pre-existing duty to act>pre-existing duty to act
>>153964641Don't think he or any of the passengers on elevated train who sued Mr. Incredible won considering the government passed a Superheroes Relocation Act Bill.
>>153964039>For the life of me, I never understood why this "lawsuit" moved forward.Western legal system. In Canada there was a guy who got injured breaking into someone's house, sued the guy he was robbing and won.
>>153964985>he hates the governmentBased.
>>153964039and they didn't see fraud on this guy why?
>>153965275>places have "good Samaritan" lawsthese days Incredibles was set in the past and good Samaritan laws don't always work, there was a case in California in 2004 where a lady pulled her friend out of a car wreck and her so called friend successfully sued for alleging worsening her spinal injuries
>>153964055>had a decade to come up with an Incredibles sequel >simply retreads the 'illegal supers' angle instead of shaking up the status quo and moving the needle just a little more Why do we praise Bird so much again?
>>153968832Because he made the first Incredibles.
>>153968832he never wanted to do the sequel one of his other movies being a massive flop allowed Disney to basically force him to do a sequel, so he didn't really have any ideas for a sequel is how it ended up just a retread.
>>153968832He wanted to encourage more hypnotized Elastagirl R34
>>153964039https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do_not_resuscitate
>>153964039>HE DIDN'T SAVE MY LIFE, HE RUINED MY DEATH That line always gets me for some reason
>>153967032This is why we used to have lynchings.
>>153964055>>153964964I'm sure lots and lots of people have a series of complaints. From everyone that had their car picked up and tossed at a supervillain, to everyone that had the roof of their building damaged in a super brawl, or the city getting pissed off at a super brawl ripping up half the streets in downtown, wrecking 3-5 buildings and knocking down powerlines. Anyone who had to sit in traffic because a super was fighting a giant robot on the street, or had their power knocked out for a week because a super decided to use a telephone pole as a baseball bat is deeply pissed off at Supers for existing. Also every single super likely attracts every single mentally damaged schizo in the state to dress up in colorful tights and pretends to be their arch nemesis.
>>153964055Fpbp
>>153964985>he hates the government Meanwhile he managed to make the most useful and helpful government in a superhero setting so far. Almost all the supers costumes, vehicles, and gadgets are supplied by the government who also help maintain secret identities.
>>153964039>get "saved">end up with crippling medical bills on top of being near crippledFuck you Mr. Incredible.
>>153964039Judge should've ordered Mr Incredible to kill him after he won
>>153972168Only the NSA was helping them. The rest of the government just wanted all the supers to go the fuck away because they were getting too expensive to keep around anymore.
>>153968732If it's the case I'm thinking about, the driver was injured but not in any danger and was pulled out through the window against protest. The Good Samaritan laws didn't apply because the "rescuer" had no reason to intervene beyond seeking help and her actions violated both actual guidelines for administering first aid and common sense.
>>153972233Also objectivists love the army and the police.
>>153964039Mr Incredible severely injured him while saving him agaisnt his will. He has a reason to sue him, but i dont think we ever know if he won or not.
>>153964265Some places in the word excuse you from injuries caused to someone while helping them, but i don't know if that applies to suicide. I don't think being suicidal is enough to send you to a crazy mental institution.
>>153964055>LAWSUITS ARE INSANE AND WE CANT DO ANYTHING ABOUT ITkek this was my take away when I was kid. looking back at it now it's obvious that once the power center is united against you any little thing will be pushed through.
>>153972998>agaisnt
>>153973037Suicide is almost always illegal and even if you ignore this, the harm would have been greater so that would be excused under good samaritan laws. The problem is that good samaritan laws are typically only a thing in the exact same jurisdiction where 2 other types of law exist: one I don't recall the name of that says if you see someone in distress you MUST help or you can be sued if you don't, and another that puts an exception on good samaritan law saying that you can only be protected by the good samaritan law if you were trained to assist (for example, if you had not taken CPR classes but you are trying to save someone by performing CPR, and you break a rib in the process [i.e. you're doing it correctly], you can be sued for the damage).
>>153964985Ridiculous? That shit literally happens all the time in real life in both directions (clear hardcore unrepentant criminals getting let go due to public bullshittery, and innocent people going to jail for their whole life despite being objectively innocent and not a single piece of evidence being brought against them). Both have had really visible examples in the past few years as well.
>>153967044Nah, all libertarians are lolcows Who prefer to have a father figure than a goverment.Milei has been yelling at wokes even though his cabinet is filled with Soros guys kek
>>153964039Kind of stupid not one of the supes tried to take over.
>>153976888RIP Gamma Jack
>>153964039>want a reason for supers to be made illegal>want the viewers to NOT sympathise with or justify this reasonIt's one of the weakest parts of the story from the perspective of correctness but it was arguably necessary else Mr Incredible's return, and the Undermole capeshit status quo finale are not endgoals the audience would acceptOr maybe it was meant to be a joke and most people didn't get it because of the overbearing negativity of the scene + following segments of the movie
>>153964193Because terminally ill patients in pain deserve to end their lives with a little dignity. That it’s been hijacked by suicidally depressed faggots doesn’t negate the underlying intent.
>>153964877I’d be surprised if he wasn’t a pariah. As many people as there were who hated supes there were plenty who liked them or wanted them to stay around. This guy probably spent his days walking around like Steve Bartman, praying no baseball fan would recognize him, except Sansweet was having to worry about supe-loving cops, people who’d been threatened by supervillains, and any supervillain with a Joker-like obsession with a hero (at least until the government wetwork teams killed then all)
Good Samaritan laws are both state by state concepts, as well as very recent legal notions. It's possible, based on the era the early events were depicted, that those laws either didn't exist at all, or weren't implemented in their state.
>>153977504Wrong. The government has been forcing all people with even mild chronic issues, or not even chronic issues but things that get instantly addressed with routine surgery, to instead go to MAID because it's cheaper for the government. The government's main arguments for MAID programs has also ALWAYS been that it was meant for the depressives.
>>153977956>forcingIt’s elective
>>153977991Sorry, the word I used was a little too strong.What I mean is "heavily pressuring", not "forcing". As you point out the latter is wrong. Specifically, the doctors harass patients into agreeing to it "or else" and often specifically deny treatment in an attempt to get someone to do it.
>>153964055Lucky for them every supervillain on the planet just suddenly decided to stop committing crimes once the heroes were gone.
>>153964039because he was injuredregardless of his intentions, intervening in his life caused measurable harm
>>153978035>doctors harass patients and withhold treatment until they agree to suicide[citation needed]
>>153978378www.google.comThis isn't exactly a secret, not even an open secret. It's widely reported with proof in mainstream news and is part of publicly available lawsuit documents.
>>153978064Kinda felt like the Joker IRS bit from BTAS. They can fight world-threatening robots, but Supes are powerless against the judicial system.
>>153964039This movie is highly satanic because supes have demonic powers especially the baby. How blind does Brad Bird and his pedophile ring think we are!?
>>153972411This is one of the many legal cases that gets the "McDonalds hot coffee" treatment, where the news successfully convinced people it was frivolous
>>153978447...Yeah right
>>153978251Qualified Immunity and Exigent Circumstances say that a superhero, a government recognized and supported first responder, of sorts, is not liable for certain amounts of damage caused during the act of saving someone
>>153978417>just trust me bro
>>153978251Thats typically not how it works. A firefighter drags you out of a burning building, but you get cut on some shattered glass on the ground. Your chances of winning that court case are basically less than 1%.
>>153978557I said literally the opposite of that. I told you to open your eyes and see for yourself, instead of trusting me.
>>153979273>Do your own researchMhm.
What are your thoughts about the new chappter of the new season (9) of rick & morty? it has different vibes than the seasons before, but i dont know what to thought.
>>153978447>>153978064This being the Incredibles universe, I would buy that the governament just decidded to fucking kill all of the villains.
>>153977588Speaking of potential pariahs, what do you think happened to Bomb Voyage?>intentionally planted the explosive that would trigger the train crash, which gave Suicide Guy’s case wings and led to the banning of all Supes
>>153979448As much as I hate to bring up the second movie, Underminer’s existence proves this theory false.
>>153964055>>153978064The Villains set it up.They approached the NSA and made a deal.
>>153968832The Incredibles suffers from much the same problem X Men suffers from, though it does handle the problem a little better. The problem is that super humans who looked just like regular humans with many of them super model quality would by no stretch of the imagination be hunted to extinction. Instead, they would have cults of worship growing up around them where regular humans treated them like Gods. Unless the vast majority of them were irredeemable monsters, there would be no talk of killing them all by serious people. If, however, the supers were highly powerful, hideously ugly and merciless in their treatment of regular humans, the anti supers plots would make a ton more sense. Say, the people who write plots like this don't happen to have high intelligence, high psychopathy, a certain wonky look about them, a common religion and culture, do they?
>>153978529qualified immunity is 1967 onwards, bro, look at the OP image and tell me that's the late 1960s or after>>153978624again qualified immunity is post-1967either way "qualified" is the operative word here: "qualified" is not "total", and the argument would be that the first responder acted negligently, recklessly or deliberately to cause harm to the plaintiffbut also you're both assuming that superheroes are extended qualified immunity at all - regardless of time period - when in fact the line is>The supers will be granted amnesty from responsibility for past actions, in exchange for the promise to never again resume hero work. meaning they were always liable in this world, they just never got sued before - and the rate at which the lawsuits piled up, not just in notably litigious US but "around the world" suggests they were a lot less popular than they realized, and it was merely a social taboo against suing them which prevented them being run out of town
>>153968832The second movie was so retarded. It PROVED supes are incredibly dangerous by showing how easy it was to turn them into terrorists and how much damaged they cause.
>>153978447The thing is that you can't plead insanity for tax evasion, Joker doesn't mind being in the asylum but he really hates being in prison.
>>153967032this has happened in the UK too, the burglar tried climbing through the kitchen window, fell in awkwardly on the dish rack and injured himself, and then yeah sued the home owner
>>153964039why did the masked man even show up in court?
>>153964039As a kid watching this movie I didn't understand that this guy was trying to commit suicide
>>153964039The joke is frivolous lawsuits.
>>153964039I just rewatched this scene. Im actually surprised they used the word suicide in a pixar movie lol. Times sure were different
>>153978064They just contracted them to the DoD for weapons development and espionage which is how syndrome got that island
>>153988622Same, I thought he was doing some circus stunt, skating down the building or something and Mr Incredible misunderstood it as his circus stunt going wrong and intervened
>>153968832It felt very corporate, like the plot that would've made the sequel good would be too edgy and anti corporate for them to make. Investors and kids wouldn't be interested in it or at least execs wouldn't cause they felt it would encourage people to not mindlessly buy merch of their movies and shows.I have no idea what I'm saying. I actually liked Incredibles 2 and every time I hear about why people hate it I feel like I'm missing something and like I'm stupid for not agreeing with you guys, and that I should kill myself for not agreeing with you guys because you guys are always right and never wrong.Then I realize I'm unemployed
>>153964039did he kill himself when the lawsuit was over and he won
>>153964055It's also implied that most of the real villains have already been killed/captured by supers by that point, meaning the only crime left for them to peruse are petty robbers and the like that the police can already handle themselves. Most people likely also felt like supers simply served no purpose anymore until Syndrome attacked the city
>>153990251I don't think anyone HATES Incredibles 2. We just feel it didn't live up to the decade+ of anticipation.
