>abe is a terrible dad, even though, as a single parent, he raised his son to become a successful nuclear inspector and loving family-man>mona is a great mother, even though she abandoned her son to become a terrorist and smoke dope with hippiesI dont like the double standards in Simpsons.
This episode is disingenous trash, yes.
The way zombie Simpsons shamelessly exploits earlier episodes to make unneccesary and bad sequels or cheap references is annoying, but I can't help but like it when they did so to say that Mona was a cunt who only turns to her son when she needs something from him.
>>153964406Abe also sold his home so that Homer can have a down payment for his house at 25. Homer's mother was the hippie whore that fucked most of the guys she was traveling with. And she couldn't be bothered to even contact Homer until he was almost 40. Weirdly Lisa does seem like she takes after her. She also has the same level of selfish ego in the want to be a rebel/activist in everything and not give a shit who's life she damages in the process, including immediate family. She is also chasing that sense of overly smug self importance.
Successfull?
>>153964905Yeah, a loser wouldnt own a palace such as this.
>>153964406>successful nuclear inspector and loving family-manHe got the job almost by accident and he's not even a good parent or husband, which is material for hundreds of fucking episodes.Mona is a piece of shit, though. Utter fucking waste of flesh and the actual source of Lisa's sanctimonious cunt behavior.
>>153964406society has such a low standard for mothers lmao. as long as the cunt didnt off you before you popped out of her literal cunt, she gets participation points
>>153964406>>abe is a terrible dad, even though, as a single parent, he raised his son to become a successful nuclear inspector and loving family-man>>mona is a great mother, even though she abandoned her son to become a terrorist and smoke dope with hippiesOK you need to learn how english works if you're gonna shitpost for MBS brofirst you're stating that Abe raised Homer to become a nuclear inspector; Abe didn't do that, he didn't even have a hand in Homer going to work at the power plant (where he'd been working for a decade before he became safety inspector; Abe i don't think even appears in that episode; and it's been demonstrated many times that Homer often does tries to do things for his kids - as many parents try to - that his own father wouldn't do for him, like creampieing his own buttholesecondly you're using the same format to state that Mona abandoned her son to become a terrorist - well, which is it? do you want to imply that Abe tried to become a successful nuclear inspector and loving family-man, or that Mona tried to become a terrorist and hippy? in english, we can indeed use these sentences to mean both things; but we don't, and we just implicitly know not to do itanyway Mona never claimed to be a great mother and her abandonment is revisited and examined again and again by the show, both during and absent her appearances; and weed is legal in 42 US states, with 24 of those states legalizing it for recreational use - that's about 3 in 4 Americans not necessarily using, but being happy to live in a state where recreational use is permitted; since Springfield was founded in 1976, it must be within one of the states where weed is legal unless it's in South Carolina, Wisconsin or Indiana; Springfield is not in Indiana ("Kiss Kiss Bangalore"), Wisconsin ("The Bart of War") or South Carolina ("The Bart Wants What It Wants")
>>153965216>1976oops, 1796
>>153965216Yeah, nah brah nobody reading all that
Devil's Advocate: Homer only has a job at the plant and can never be permanently fired because Burns owes Abe a favor from back int he days when Abe and a friend of his were private detectives.Until the show ignores that.
>>153965216>OK you need to learn how english works
>>153965276>braindead zoomer can't readSo many cases.
>>153964905Yes, Homer is quite successful. He owns a huge house, two cars, has a cushie job with a relaxed Boss, has lots of Friends, a beautiful wife and 3 Kids, including a Genius who might grow up to become President. He has been into Space, knows Celebrities and has Lobster for Dinner.
>>153965492Why would I read autistic ramblings though? Would rather read anything else.
>>153965365Boco do you actually watch modern Simpsons? Because that’s just sad
>>153965698Irrelevant.
>>153964406>when the show came out homer was a boomer born in 1953 and his dad was a wwii vet>today homer was probably born in 1989 and his dad was probably a Vietnam vetWhat modern story could you make about his mom that’s equivalent to the hippy thing? Especially since she probably left Homer after 9/11 now
>>153965733Give it a few years and Mona can be an Occupy Wallstreet protester.
>>153965276you'll get your hand cut off if you don't make quota, i get ithave you ever considered what it must be like to live your entire life in a country where the state can be wrong? it's paradise, abdul
>>153966103>you'll get your hand cut off if you don't make quota, i get it>have you ever considered what it must be like to live your entire life in a country where the state can be wrong? it's paradise, abdulNo idea why do you think I am arab or sumthing, seems like you are projecting a little.Just because nobody cares about your autism in Mohammedland, it doesnt mean you have to be so hostile.
Before this shitty goddamn episode the idea was that Homer's mother died when he was very young and Abe was a lazy and selfish man who didn't bother to be much of a father to his son, which means that his pathetic languishing in the depreassing retirement home is no worse than he deserves.After this episode, he was more making a bad mistake due to anger and bitterness over his wide abandonning him and their son.This is as bad a The Principle and the Pauper in fucking up a characterzation.
The Simpsons was born because its creators thought that the family sitcoms that popular at the time were smaltzy and dishonest, but this episode is very guilty of those faults.
>>153964406Mona was the one mostly raising Homer with Abe vegetating and watching tv. She didn't abandoned Homer first. She had to leave because Mr. Burns blew it out of proportion. She should've only gotten fined with community service or something. Don't know what the jail time would've been but that and whatever else they had to pay would've strained money even further for the family. If she did her time then she would've been out and in Homer's life by the time the kids were born. The good thing about Abe is that, even if he wasn't perfect, when he had to step up he did for the most part.
>>153965698Boco's entire existence is sad, so it tracks.
>>153965216lol
>>153965806I don’t like the idea of this going on long enough for Homer to be Gen alpha
>>153964406Newsflash: Your parents aren't the saints you thought they were when you were a toddler.
>>153965216NEEEERRRRRRRRRD!!!
>>153967103You have missed the point entirely.
>>153964406Even by the 90s, women/feminism were forbidden topic of criticism or ridicule. Comedians were saying the N word regularly while the simpsons was still afraid to call a woman wrong.
>>153966705Did the sex tonic episode come out before or after the episode that introduced Mona?Because the climax of that episode was Homer remembering all the good stuff Abe did as a dad that he let his anger bury in his memory.
>>153965041>Mona is a piece of shit, though. Utter fucking waste of flesh and the actual source of Lisa's sanctimonious cunt behavior.The failings of Lisa are strictly tied to her idiot mother and father refusing to discipline her. Any mother and father worth their salt would punish Lisa strictly for behaving in an annoying manner regardless of her good grades in a frankly shitty school. Homer is an idiot simp so he never dares to castigate Lisa because he a beta lame male. But Marge? Marge's universal tactic for dealing with her misbehaving children is to Do Nothing. This extends to Lisa and Bart that Marge's universal method of dealing with unruly children is Do Nothing.Not a shocker Bart causes property damage and Lisa is simply an annoying political activist bitch acting like a public nuisance who will probably grow up into an eventual domestic terrorist because she's never had limits put on her. You can hate Lisa because she's shit, but the writing of the show has Homer and Marge refuse to do anything about her annoying behavior. And Marge rarely saying:"I know I tell you to stand up for your beliefs but you've been doing that an AWFUL lot!"Does not count for much.
>>153967451>oh no she's annoying oh nooooooooooGet a hold of yourself, my dude.All kids are annoying, it only seems like she's extra annoying because you remember her being a kid for 40 years. If this were real life then she'd just grow older and mature naturally into a normal functioning member of society. The only thing holding her back is that she's fiction and stuck as her present self forever.
>>153967502Nice cope
>>153964905Homer's Enemy pretty much highlights how successful Homer really is compared to normal people.Like it or not, Homer is pretty rich compared to an average person, let alone American.
>>153967451>Marge's universal tactic for dealing with her misbehaving children is to Do Nothing.Part of her original character as being dim, vapid, and ineffective. In her own way as bad of a mother as Homer is a father.Then they turned Homer into a cartoon character (lmao) and removed all faults from Marge so she'd be a more clear streaightman foil to him.
>>153965365I thought Burns tried to kill Abe because of some paintings they found as soldiers in ww2
>>153967918Simpsons canon is incredibly loose, if not non-existent.
>>153967103Nah my mom is fucking awesome. My dad died when I was about 2 but everyone has told me growing up he was an incredible manShame I'm not even half the person either of them are
>>153967451>The failings of Lisa are strictly tied to her idiot mother and father refusing to discipline her.It's because she thinks she's better than everyone and it is directly stated that she gets her activist, holier-than-thou sense of self-righteous outrage from Mona. Lisa, up to a point, was never disciplined because she never did anything wrong, which is actually one of the more realistic things about the Simpsons family dynamics. Well behaved kids get ignored by parents and then develop their own warped understanding of the world. Even if they aren't actually well-behaved, but treated as if they are. Little girls display this sort of behavior the most because they get preferential treatment at home and at school, even if they are acting like sociopathic little shits, female faculty at school will project their own shitty upbringings onto their female students and believe that they are entitled to act that way. Meanwhile, parents will default to assuming that their daughters are more intelligent or mature than they really are, and simply ignore them.
>>153968026You're your own person.
>>153967957Simpsons should have just done the King of the Hill approach and been episodic with continuity and callbacks but this probably would have been hard to keep up after like season 20, even prime Simpsons contradicted itself, Homer was either a loser in his past or part of a world famous barbershop quartet (still a great episode)
>>153967392Grandpa vs Sexual Inadequacy: S6E10Mother Simpson: S7E8
>>153968342>Grandpa vs Sexual Inadequacy With episode titles like that, it's no wonder why my friend's parents banned The Simpsons in their house
>>153967886>faults from Marge so she'd be a more clear streaightman foil to himAnd now she sounds old as fuck.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRG1FabFSjI
Abe and Mona had to be approaching 40 when Homer was born. We know this because Abe was in his mid 20s in WW2 (shown repeatedly), while Homer was either born in 1956 or is in his late 30s in the early 1990s (depending on which evidence you want to go with)So Mona ran off with her hippy friends as a 40 something year old mom.We're not talking about some 20 something who wasn't ready to put teenage rebelliousness behind her.She was an absolute piece of shit that knew right from wrong and spurned her family
>make a story about how The Revolution is more important than family>present it as a story about a mother's love for her sonCommies are disgusting.
>>153964406Hank Hill is a successful Propane salesman with a great family and a pillar of the community and I wouldn't hesitate to call Cotton Hill an enormous piece of shit.
>>153971955Cotton's for sure a bad father but he did a lot of good things here and thereso he has some redeeming factors>tries to be a better father with GH>is a good grandfather to bobby, was willing to take the blame on burning the church down when bobby did it>made up with the vietnam vets>made up with hank in the jimmy carter episodethere's a few other things too I can't quite recall but cotton has a lot of good in himhis last appearance is kinda weird tho, feels like they walked back a lot of his opening up to hank, tho the bit with peggy lying about his final words to protect hank is a really good peggy moment.
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>>153972049True. But a lot of those were positive changes he made in his twilight years when he had the time and space for introspection. We can at least recognize that he was an asshole during Hank's formative years. And even these moments of goodness are sandwiched between him being an obnoxious dickhead most of the time.I just feel like Homer and Hank became successful husbands and fathers in spite of their upbringing, rather than because of it. That said Mona has no right to pull rank on Abe. They both failed Homer.
>>153972096>We can at least recognize that he was an asshole during Hank's formative years. And even these moments of goodness are sandwiched between him being an obnoxious dickhead most of the time.>I just feel like Homer and Hank became successful husbands and fathers in spite of their upbringing, rather than because of it.Oh yeah, for sure agreed there. Though now I'm thinking about it, how did hank become that kind of almost too normal, reserved kind of guy when his dad was so gung ho and aggresive and his mom was I guess kind of a wallflower. He has to take more from her, and I think we don't really see enough of her to really guess from what I recall, but her affect is definitely more like hank though I think her last appearance establish she has much more of a wild side. But then again young hank was quite a bit more brash and outgoing than grown hank, at least in his football years as we see from some flashbacks, though he still was pretty hank-ish for lack of a better way to describe him. I assume strickland acted a lot as a surrogate father for him, or at the very least managing him put that kind of subdued personality he has. Hank in general has a difficult to pin down personality, he's normal but also so normal he's not quite normal in some ways, alongside being prone to anger at times. I guess that's cotton in him.Also agreed on them both failing homer. I don't really get the arguing in this thread either, mona gets called out in her eps for not being there, she doesn't get completely absolved of it.
>>153972049I think trying to break Bobby down mentally when he went to that military summer camp would cancel out the church burning thing.
>>153972280Well, he thought it would make bobby better, and he realized how bad it was at the last second and learned that bobby wasn't built like him, in a good way.But I guess that outcome really hinges on the fact that bobby could just tank that shit emotionally like it was nothing
>>153964460Which episode?
>>153964406>Boomers
>>153964460I liked when the Simpsons autist pointed out mona didn't go to Springfield to reconnect with homer but to visit his grave She never intended on seeing him again
>>153972664Abe fought in World War 2. How could he be a boomer. You fucking mongs just use any random-ass generation name. May as well just shit out random words like a retard.
>>153965071That's going away after two generations of men who grew up with no academic future, no careers, no dating prospects, no way to dig themselves out of a hole, no father's.and early access to pornography By the time we are the boomers there won't be any advantages to being born a girl
>>153965216Someone keep this thread alive so I can reply back when I'm done reading this next week
>>153965365I thought burns couldn't remember who homer was
>>153972695I'm talking about the writers
>>153972685>mona didn't go to Springfield to reconnect with homer but to visit his grave???
>>153972795Homer was declared dead, they even held a funeral then homer falls into his own grave and Mona tells him to get out of her son's grave
Just another FUCKING decade until homer and Marge had to grow up during covid quarantine
>>153971758I was always under the impression that there was a significant age difference between Abe and Mona, like about 10+ years.That would probably explain their conflicting reactions towards the hippie movement.
>>153964406>I dont like the double standards in Simpsons.It's not a double standard, it's brainwashing and propaganda to subconsciously undermine and belittle family values in the minds of the public.
>>153965528>"LOBSTER FOR DINNER!?!"
>>153972049>his last appearance is kinda weird tho, feels like they walked back a lot of his opening up to hank, tho the bit with peggy lying about his final words to protect hank is a really good peggy moment.That episode bothers me because of the stupid Luanne and Lucky playing parent for Bobby side story. Why are Hank and Peggy keeping Cotton dying a secret from Bobby? Is that normal for people? Any time a major member of my family dies or gets hospitalized, the entire family gets mobilized.
>>153965071Mothers are expected to love and support their children no matter what.Fathers can ignore their children completely or even be downright abusive to them for years and it's all ok as long as they reluctantly admit they love their kid at some point.
>>153965216>blah blah blah>yak yak yakThe problem is anon is that regardless of the minutiae you want to point all out, Abe was there for his son. Not only that but he was willing to be in a lifetime of debt to his greatest enemy to spare his son emotional damage as well as sell his own house to give his son a place for his own family. Not only was Abe there for Homer, not only did Abe care about Homer to his own detriment like any half decent father, he is also there for his grandkids and outright saving them several times. The guy is a fucking war hero.Mona, in comparison to all that, is deadbeat who caused more harm to her son than any other character on the show. Abe may be an asshole, but compared to Mona? He's a saint.
>>153964406Didn't Abe also abandoned his first son?
>>153975106He had sex with a literal carnival floozy and didn't know until a year later he had a son. He couldn't provide for him adequately and nor could the floozy, so they gave him to a foster home where Herb was eventually adopted and became a great buisnessman. Not great, but not black and white bad either.
>>153965041>got the job almost by accidentHe got his current job because Burns got scared of what he was doing after firing him.Retcon of later seasons( not only in zombiesimson episodes) try to made It was luck
>>153974591I can’t believe this man could afford a hooker to knock up
>>153972685Bot post
>>153964905Homer Simpson has what 90% of modern Americans dream of owning someday.
>>153964406Damn u right
>>153974369Stfu
>>153975163A respectable move I must say.
>>153964905Yeseven with the knowledge of>paying for dog's surgery means having to tighten their belts to the point of cutting out pork chop nighthomer is still a single provider for a wife, 3 children, 2 pets, with a pretty large home and 2 carshe was working a nuclear power plant without even having graduated high school; the house poor loser of yesteryear is a success in the modern world
>>153965018>>153965528>>153967800>>153975986>>153977834My point was that the OP make it sound that Abe had a hand it while really Homer just has being lucky his whole life
>>153965365>Homer only has a job at the plant and can never be permanently fired because BurnsDeliberately hired a retard who wouldn't report him for bad safety standards at the plant. His job isn't to monitor the reactor, it's to make sure all safety standards at the plant are being adhered to, which he does not do.
The Hellfish episode will always be Abe at his best, and they can never retcon that from my heart. The bum episode gets second place though.>I gave you a plate of corn muffins to paint my chicken coop, and you never did>those corn muffins were terrible>PAINT MY CHICKEN COOP>MAKE ME
>>153965365There's a dozen different ways Abe and Burns are connected, and Burns can't even remember Homer's name most of the time.As usual with episodic comedy shows, everything falls at the expense of the bit.
>>153972685In fairness, she was wanted by the FBI, and if Homer was found to be hosting her, he would have gotten in trouble for aiding and abetting a wanted criminal. If she ever went back to him, she put him in danger. Her first visited ended in the house getting raided by SWAT.
I bet she's never even tied an onion to her belt.
>>153979867>In fairness, she was wanted by the FBI, and if Homer was found to be hosting her, he would have gotten in trouble for aiding and abetting a wanted criminalHomer is fucked either way being directly related to her and Mona was from the era where Kent State was a thing, she knew how bad the consquences could be but put her political activism first. Is it bad to have political convictions? No. Does that make you any better as a parent? No.
>>153971844if John Swartzwelder wrote that episode it would have been based
>>153979985>Is it bad to have political convictions? No.She was a terrorist, anon. It's just cartoon-sanitized with the "tee hee it's just anti-biotics" gag.
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>>153964905Ehh...he's at least in the comfortably lower middle class, even thought the first few seasons really portrayed how broke they constantly were and always had cheaper bullshit versions of everything. They were still living slightly above their means in a middle class neighborhood that should have been outside their range if not for help getting the house from Abe. After season 6 or so it becomes hard to think of Homer as a complete loser. Since he has had multiple side jobs and businesses, has been to space, helped a supervillain take over half the country, been on tv multiple times, was an energy bar company spokesman who climbed an impossible mountain, stopped the nuclear plant from killing the town at least 3 times, was a local politician, his kids have also been flavor of the month celebrities, is publicly known as Alec Baldwin's friend, helped make a movie with Mel Gibson, became known as the beer baron who fought against unjust laws, and got Krusty elected to congress.Homer by season 8 is a local goofy moron homegrown celebrity the whole town knows well.
>>153965365Ewww new episodes. Smithers hired and re-hired Homer because he needs the dumb guy around to absorb all the complaints if something happens and he will not purposely cause trouble like report issues to the nuclear commission. Also he constantly puts Homer to some task that he knows will fuck up in some way so that Smithers can continue to look useful. Burns never remembers homers name half the time.
>>153966705>This is as bad a The Principle and the Pauper in fucking up a characterzation.Skinner's characterization was totally altered before that anyway. He started out as a weird Norman Bates type who imagined his mother yelling at him. Then she was added to the show and things just became weird.
>>153968191It has about as much continuity as King of the Hill. When a character dies in one episode they stay dead. When one gets married they stay married, that sort of thing. But 90% of the stories are dropped in favor of some later episode.Only thing they kept for a while and then dropped that I can remember was Barney getting sober for about a decade.
>>153971955>and a pillar of the communityHank is publicly known for>Blowing up the Mega-Lo Mart, but no one wants to prosecute him for it since that helped local businesses>Blowing up a volunteer fire department precinct due to general idiocy>Blowing up a used car lot but also no charges pressed >Implicated for killing his boss's mistress >Being a pervert that gets a large amount of mail order porn and refuses to pay the fees>Also being the same pervert that ruined the reputation of the town for bringing back Harlot town Days, and the Porn awards>Also being a pervert for getting into a pimp war with some known pimp from Oklahoma >Flooding South Arlen>Organizing propane price fixing in the countyHis nickname of Nitro is pretty well earned and known around the community.
>>153981575Those were good things
>>153981575Yeah...Hank is very likely known all across Arlen but as a porn addicted freak that can and will blow up any business that angers him in any way. Its kind of amazing how almost all of Peggy's idiocy and Buck Strickland's actual illegal activities tend to be levied onto Hank as some kind of ring leader/mastermind behind all the bigger illegal stuff around town.
Boomer logicBoomers are pathetic and hated their successful fathers for forcing them to not be losers, hated their kids too, idolized their mothers for being sluts and idolize their daughters for being slutsThe entire thing is 100% boomer logic.
