First half of it wasn't too bad, but the second half just felt like a damn chore to get through. Priya being the next Zoey didn't help matters.
>>153966571You watched the whole thing? First episode is barely tolerable. No one should make cartoon characters based on gen z.
>>153966612Especially not with DEI obsession.
Foreign Markets wouldn't touch it for a certain reason (the only way for Fresh TV to survive is more DramaRama)
>>153966766Or just get rid of Terry.
>>153966766I can't imagine that'll ever happen.
>>153966612The first episode is one of the worst ones, and it picks up immediately by the second episode.
Scary Girl alone made it worth watching.
most of Julia's villainy in season 2 was done off screen, Damien wasted in season 2 (should have been final 4 instead of Priya), Prileb was a bad pairing, MK being a villain in season 2 is weird since she was more neutral in season 1, however I did like the hockey bros, Zee, Chase, Bowie, Damien, Scary Girl, Ripper (he was funny), and MK (her strategy as a villain in S2 was at least unique), and the idea of the first loser becoming a finalist like Caleb was a good idea it should have just been executed better, maybe make it that he does ally with Priya but she gets eliminated early on, I also appreciated the RR cameos, I thought they'd be forgotten aside from Macarthur
>>153968506A shame she only competed in like, five episodes.
It doesn't feel as mean as older seasons and this could be due to network demands but Chef should be mean again Chris was funny though
>>153966571Julia is a TERRIBLE villain, genuinely Mal-tier. and the double elimination of Ripper and Axel was bullshit.
>>153968844Probably. I mean hell even as early as ROTI it felt like things had to be toned way down. Like that spat that Heather and Leshawna had in the second episode of Island would never fly today.
>>153968899The problem with Julia and Island Heather is that they couldn't just turn the bitch switch off (or Julia couldn't after she had it turned on, at least) so they just treated virtually everyone like shit and then had to scramble to save themselves any time they lost a challenge because they painted huge targets on their backs by acting like cunts.
>>153968914I feel like Leshawna's entire character wouldn't be allowed today
>>153969221>big, sassy black girlthey'd have to learn HARD into body positivity
>>153969221I mean even Bowie seemed like a negative stereotype.
>>153966571I completely forgot about this. Never did end up watching S2, but Ripper fucking sucked ass. I remember not liking Chef's new voice, but the gay black dude was a decent seasonal villain and I liked his relationship with the Hockey jock. I forget how they resolved the issues the fat black girl and the overachieving girl had with each other. I wished the streamer influencer dude had fucking died, the blonde fart girl was way too good for him.
>>153969525>Ripper fucking sucked assI swear you're the only person I've seen hate Ripper. He's my most hated of the new group by far and I'll never get why so many people here love him.
>>153969541He just reminded me too much of Owen and how he became fucking obnoxious as the series went on instead of the semi-endearing he was in S1. Except with the bad attitude of someone like Duncan, who just made him really unpleasant to watch anytime he was on screen. I forget, did he or the rich bitch lose the gross-out eating contest?
>>153969588Julia won, that was the episode Ripper got eliminated.
>>153969641Yeah, that sounds about right from what I remember. She ended up being something of a Heather and ended up reaching the finales, IIRC. Who was your favorite of the new cast? I really liked Scary Girl and Damian before the punchline to his joke came and he got voted off.
>>153969684Scary Girl for me too, and honestly I really started to enjoy Wayne a lot more in the second season. Honestly most of the rest of the cast I feel neutral toward or just dislike, but Damien is cool.
>>153969765Also I remember when the "Normal" design for Scary Girl was leaked ahead of time and people thought she'd become an intern after elimination. But nope, first to go and that was that...
Man, I've forgotten huge swaths of TDI Reboot despite how I watched it all like six months ago.
>>153969765>>153969817Yeah, the Jocks were a surprisingly pretty charming pair. It was nice to have a genuine bromance going that didn't get fucked over later on or turned out to be paper thin like Katie and Sadie used to have. >>153969817I don't think I ever saw that, sounds cute. A shame the studio could never admit the alt girls or goth chicks post-Gwen tended to be the most popular female characters.
>>153969870>I don't think I ever saw that, sounds cute. A shame the studio could never admit the alt girls or goth chicks post-Gwen tended to be the most popular female characters.Yeah, they really focus on the "nice" girls. Zoey, Sky, and Priya all have the same like, outline, and all of them appear in every single episode of each season they compete it and all three are finalists too. If the series ever comes back and one character is a generally bland, but nice girl with decent athletic abilities, put all your money on her to make it far.
>>153968844>and this could be due to network demandsWrong, it was due to older fandom demands
>>153969541his shamelessness is endearing
>>153969920 I actually thought Priya was okay since her gimmick of being bred to win TDI gave her some good mental baggage to deal with. Zoey and Sky was lame though, I agree, doubly so since both were attached to two of the most annoying characters of their respective seasons IMO.
>>153966571I dropped it as soon as I heard Chris' voice change. Didn't sound a thing like him. Also none of these characters look appealing. Should have just made Ridonculous race Season 2.
>>153970084I wouldn't mind Priya if she had an early elimination in the second season. But no, she's THE canonical winner of the first half since they just did away with alternate winners...and then made it all the way to the second to last episode of the second half. That's just fucking atrocious. Not to mention her romance with Caleb was pure ass and ate up way too much of the spotlight.
>>153970084>being bred to win TDI gave her some good mental baggage to deal withProblem is this never really went anywhere as far as I recall. If she actually never won, it'd be way more interesting to see her deal with the horrible way her parents raised her.
>>153969864Probably because most of the characters don't go through an arc. Or at least an arc that's interesting.
Wife material.
>>153966655>Especially not with DEI obsessionHow is that any different from the start? I assume it never went back to be PG
>>153971340There's a big difference between casually just having a cast with mixed races and the head writer going "Man, I really hope we can make an autistic character next time, or one with diabetes!" and yes, Terry really wants a diabetic contestant for...some reason.
>>153971395>and yes, Terry really wants a diabetic contestant for...some reason.One of TD's most common sources of humor is fat jokes. How is that hard to figure out.Honestly I don't see an issue with diverse casts and gimmicks. I just want the show to not feel uninteresting or unmemorable.
>>153971603Well, he also wants troon characters, so there's that.
>>153971617...And?
>>153966766>DramaRamaWhy didn't they just make a high school AU instead?
>>153971847They're already teenagers
>>153971920Yeah, so that'd just make it easier to do. Like if they MUST do some non-canon spinoff AU, just have them do high school shit instead of toddler shit.
>>153966571>>153970102Seconding a Ridonculous Race season 2. Also I don't know what it is about this new cast but they lack a certain sauce the originals and even the Revenge and Pahkitew crews had.Actually I think it's not that the designs are bad and moreso that they don't do a good job of telling you what each character is like. You look at most of the TDI cast barring some of the more incidental characters and you can gleam their gimmick from a mile away.The only ones I feel that way about in this cast are the hockey dudes, Scary Girl Zee, and Ripper. Everyone else could have more or less any personality given to them and I'd buy it.
>>153971977I think the problem is they mostly ran out of teen stereotypes by the Reboot, which was a big part of the OG cast's charm. Hell, even as far back as ROTI it was apparent. Like in that cast we still had some new ones like the gamer or the indie chick, but we also have...>The compulsive liar that pretends her family invented everything>Another dumb jock>A Silent Bob expy that can make robots>Paris Hilton parody>A guy with multiple personalities>Literally SnookieAnd it gets even worse in Pahkitew where they just gave up entirely. The LARPer and the bitchy cheerleader fit well enough, but then we also have...>The guy that just makes sound effects>The guy that falls in love with literally every woman he talks to>A guy that basically is Dr. Evil but even less effective>A zombie survival nut>A tall Australian chick>A Disney princess>Teenage Honey Boo BooWhen the reboot came along, they managed to get more stereotypes in because more kinda cropped up over the years like influencers and self-hating zoomers. Not enough other over the type teenage stereotypes that made any sense.
>>153972145To be fair I think Teenage Honey Booboo works as a parody in the same way Harold just being a big Napoleon Dynamite Pastiche worked. (Sam flew a bit too close to the Seth Rogan sun for my tastes).Also I'll say Pahkitew and Revenge felt like the replaced relatable archetypes with pushing the envelope, which worked in some ways but failed in others. I feel like Ridonculous race was the perfect balance. A lotta characters were more zany and weird but they were rounded out by a healthy amount of grounded characters.
>>153972209In fairness, for Harold it was mostly just his voice and a few mannerisms that faded away as the seasons went on. And he was really the only one like that in the OG cast. These "Character/Celebrity, but a Total Drama contestant" characters became way too abundant in the next two generations. And RR also worked better since it was a spinoff and there was no need to focus on teen stereotypes. You could have teens and adults which opened the doors to pretty much endless possibilities.
>>153966571Priya is more like Courtney.The only members of the 4th gen cast I like are Millie and Lauren (Scary Girl). Everyone else suck.
Now I'm interested in this high school AU idea. Should it be characters across the whole series, or just Island? Would Chris be a principal, teacher, some guy doing an Office style documentary, or not present at all?There's potential.
>>153972622That's Clone High.
>>153972679Quiet you
>>153972622I feel like as long as the character is a teenager, there'd be no reason not to include them. That'd still be over 50, so I personally imagine it'd just be an episodic series where the characters involve just kinda cycle through, and is also way more based in reality than DramaRama. Or maybe there could be a few status quo shakeups like romances and the like.
>>153972622Have him be a teacher playing the part of slightly older and but not too old new teacher. Someone who's relatable and charismatic and gets to know each one personally, but is relaying secrets and gossip from one student to another because he lives for Total Drama.
If they ever did do a high school AU I fear they'd just make Gwen/Duncan/Courtney/Heather the main characters again like they were in all four seasons that participated in.
>>153972736They could use the adults from RR as other teachers or something too. Or at least some of them. Never really sure how old some of them are meant to be.
It's crazy how that one guy ended up with a monster gf. Lucky son of a bitch.
>>153972679I wish I could watch Clone High, but it's an Adult Swim show.
>>153966571Bowie was an example on how to actually write a gay character right. Letting him be the catty antagonist just worked, and S2 is weaker for him being an early elimination whilst letting Julia go the distance again.Scary Girl, Damien and Axel are all good but are criminally underused.Hockey Bros, Zee, MK and mostly Julia are all fine for the most part.Emma and Chase are fine separately but insufferable together, though I guess thats the point.Priya is overhated, but she should have left S2 earlier like the other finalists did.Millie is too tied up with Priya, so was a bit wasted in terms of building up her own character.Ripper is too gross. Him being an asshole bully is fine, but they had to focus on the farts too much.Caleb and Nichelle are wasted spots who add nothing. S2 suffers from Caleb making the final.
bumping
>>153976832>Emma and Chase are fine separately but insufferable together, though I guess thats the point.I think it's the opposite. They have chemistry together, but neither have enough going on to work without the other.
>We'll never get a scene like this ever again>Just Ripper ass-shotsGreat...
>>153977825Emma’s nothing without Chase but Chase can be funny sometimes
>>153979813He was pretty obnoxious in his elimination episode in the second season.
>>153979834well the second season just sucked ass in general
>>153979875Yeah, turns out having two seasons in a row with such a tiny cast and no new faces is an issue.
most attempts at portraying internet stereotypes, in any show, fall flat because they pull from the front-facing aspirational figures. streamers, wellness bloggers, youtubers, basically the celebrities of the internet. but most of the people you’ll interact with on the internet are do-nothings with stunted social skills.
I think the biggest problem of the reboot was breaking it up into two 13 episode seasons when it was originally meant to be one 26 episode season, I hope if there's S3 it's 26 episodes since there's still enough demand for TDI that doing a 26 episode season will probably get their money back
>>153972793well yeah they’re the most interesting characters
>>153972276if RR ever got more seasons I'd want a duo that consists of old washed up rockers (basically the opposite of the rockers in RR) who actually make it pretty far (I just want more old people there's potential) because all the touring they did in the past makes them used to the locations and they're competing because they need the money for child support
>>153980224>and they're competing because they need the money for child supportbullshit, they’re blowing that prize money on booze and bumps
>>153980093Maybe the other characters could be interesting to if they got thrown a bone.
They should have done an episode that pokes fun at that Verbalase Hide Away video, like some of the contestants are taking a break and they spot an AMV of Sierra chasing Cody to a similar song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROrYPljoGAw Everyone freaks, Chris freaks because it turns out Sierra put the Total Drama logo without permission and intends to sue. But it is quickly stopped when it is revealed Sierra bullied some animator to do it and because the Total Drama logo is on it, the show is in hot water. SO the entire episode is the cast and crew of Total Drama on a cyberbullying seminar which is broadcasted to get the good will back. Chris is sore since the network they air the show had to pay a settlement.
>>153980093We had FOUR fucking seasons consumed by Gwen/Duncan/Courtney and their stupid fucking love life. By the time All-Stars came around I despised all three of them.
The guy who played Chris got #SpeakingOutted and none of the new characters beside Julie had any soul to them along with it being diversity slop for the sake of it
>>153980896Didn't it turn out that he was totally innocent?
>>153981448yeah, the girl who accused him said he drugged multiple students but no one ever came out to corroborate this and it turned out she was told she couldn't make porn in class so out of spite she made it up, and no legal action was ever taken but apparently the OG voice actor wasn't liking the uber sadistic route they were taking with Chris anyways (though the reboot made him more like his season 1-2 self)
>>153981727Couldn't they just change how Chris was?
>>153983015I say they should make Chris that is worried he is losing his touch that he tries too hard to the point of unintentional hilarity
can we have another season that isn’t on the fucking island
>>153983135You aren't getting another season ever again
>>153983135WORLD TOUR 2 BABY!!!
>>153983049If they just reeled him back, they could just do it without explanation.
>>153984111my headcanon: between WT and ROTI Chris suffered some head trauma and became more sadistic (Izzy was shown to have become a genius after getting hit by a plane unblocked something in her brain), in the 15 years between S1 and reboot, he got another head injury and reverted back to his old self, just like Izzy in World Tour
>>153984478He was still more sadistic in the reboot than he was in the original trilogy, though. He was barely taken down a notch at all.
>>153966766I expected to find Bowie annoying but he was like one of the only good characters. Him being an early out in Rematch made the season infinitely shittier because Julia and MK just aren't as interesting strategists/antagonists.
I don't think the reboot cast can carry a third season by itself. Most of the characters either had way too much spotlight already (Priya, Caleb, Julia, Wayne) or have so little to work with (Zee, Scary Girl, Chase, Raj) that there's not much left. Damien is basically the only character I feel can help carry a season.
>>153985558You have a very limited imagination.
>>153985696Problem is the team clearly has their favorites and will probably just keep giving the same characters special treatment while shafting the rest anyway. They've done it before.
>>153971637NTA, but I've never heard a good take coming after "I don't see an issue with..."
>>153985713Yeah, but that's a problem with the crew, not the characters.They've always been the real problem, that's why Total Drama is the way it is.
>>153986073I mean yeah, but I don't trust the crew to make some of the characters interesting without just overhauling them.
Like if Scary Girl managed to get to the finals, what would she even do? Just say edgy shit?
>>153987748Just make something out of her, give her more of a character, it's not some impossible thing to do, most flat characters aren't like that because the writers don't know how to develop them, it's because the nature of Total Drama means that some characters are going to be less developed so they can get eliminated earlier..
reality resort totally ruined their show with that horrible last episode! fuck modern television's obsession with morality olympics! a "nice and caring" basic ass bitch protagonist is NOT good television! and fuck drew for thinkings he this subversive god when he literally just went with the most obvious rating choice! my dolla dolla bills will not be going to ther kickstarter, but instead toward purchasing coca cola!
I would really like to see a Total Drama that becomes like the Fyre Festival. It gets progressively worse due to the very low budget. The challenges get lamer. And boring. And they are forced to use hand held cameras for the rest of the show.
I like them
>>153971847>>153971920>>153971937I would watch a Total Drama High AU if it was still formatted like the original show, in the sense that it'd have confessionals and school-based challenges from Principal McLean. It would still be an episodic slice of life show, but every few episodes Chris would make the classes compete for school supplies and facilities.
>>153972622whole franchise, stick the adult characters in as staff and faculty>>153972793it probably would be a given that those four would be part of the core cast, though ideally the school premise would mean they don't have to focus as hard on them as they do in the regular Total Drama series
>>153991864There are at least a dozen fanfics with this idea>>153991440Disventure Camp/a similar web animation would do this idea better
>>153980802>We had FOUR fucking seasons consumed by Gwen/Duncan/Courtney and their stupid fucking love life. By the time All-Stars came around I despised all three of them.I don't hate them but yeah they definitely did get overused, probably why when I tinkered with an AU concept years ago I ended up having Duncan get eliminated from Island a lot earlier(he and Cody swap elimination points) and then sit out both Action(with Cody taking his slot) and World Tour(Eva taking his slot there), while Courtney sits out Action and gets eliminated a lot earlier in Word Tour(her and Lindsay swap when they get eliminated)Gwen I mostly left alone since all she really needed was to not have her relationship with Trent to get torpedoed for very goofy reasons during Action(same for Leshawna and Harold's relationship for that matter)
>>153991872I can see Pete and Gerry being gym teachers, maybe DJ's mom as the bus driver. Blainely could be a Miss Hoover type of teacher who is completely apathetic about her job, only doing the bare minimum and would rather eavesdrop on gossip around the school since it reminds her of her youth. Maybe Dwayne Sr. can be the one teacher in the school who actually cares about the students and their education and takes his job seriously, but his attempts to connect with the students just come off as embarrassing in a "fellow kids" sort of way.
If only Chris and Chef weren't so defanged in the reboot
>>153991864So, Total Drama without eliminations in a high school setting?
>>153992928instead of eliminations, someone gets sent to detention every now and then, but they aren't written off the show
>>153966571>What Went Wrong? It simply wasn't as good.
I still want a show that does good shipping.
