>could have been the best western show of the 2010s>great set of powers and ideas>instead was turned into woke slop with 1 decent character (nathalie)was any show raped harder by the networks and their own writers than miraculous ladybug? genuinely
>>153967102>still #1 animated series in the world after 10 years>5 more seasons planned>has outlived at least a dozen brown lesbian shows>mutts are still seething
>>153967102The best character was Gabriel. Without contest. There's no reason to watch after season five.
>>153967403The best character is Gabriel because only he can provide what Nathalie craves.
>>153967102Sarada Uchiha looking ass.
>Villainous woman who is super loyal to the main villain but is secretly in love with him and only wants the best for himFor once I'd love to see one of these types of romances actually have a happy ending.
>>153967647it kinda does since Gabriel gives his own life in exchange to save Nathalie's
>>153967699Yeah I said happy ending.
>>153967403To me, there's no reason to watch after Season 2. Having any more Miraculous past the original established seven was the first big mistake.
>>153967797The happy ending is she can finally live her lesbian dreamsOr she can marry the Gorilla.
>>153947978Why would I want to do the work of puppeting the world *once* I have money? Work is what you do to *get* money.
>>153967813You can tell they never planned more than the original 7, because they ran out of good uses for the powers past them.The original 7 are simple - create, destroy, illusions, shield, stun, and create heroes and life. The additional 12 were not considered and have really weird effects on the plot, like time travel or Second Chance, or are boring like Gift and Clout
>>153967984I can permit the Rabbit as a hidden 8th as they had been setting that one up since the beginning, but that's it. The rest are annoying and pointless.
>>153968063I actually think the Rabbit is the stupidest of them, time travel is a cancer in any media and I think it's the worst part of the power set in the show.
>>153967102the "recent" animation style change activate my uncanny valley super hard, i cant watch it anymore.
what would you do if Marinette walked in on you jerking off to Ladybug porn and got turned on by it?
>has the 2 most broken superpowers in existence where he can create life and give it any superpower he wants with next to no limitation so long as someone is feeling an emotion>can create life that can literally destroy reality if he wanted>any life he creates must obey what he says as long as he controls the object>can give them powers such as time travel, global nukes, or debilitating mental weakness>spends his time akumatizing children and pidgeon feeders>losesSeriously, what the fuck was his problem?
>>153968138It's no different from Sailor Moon where Sailor Pluto's duty to protect time is literally sitting in front of a big door all day and rarely getting involved with the other heroes, which is about the only way such a power can be limited.
>>153968483He wasn't very smart.
>>153967102You seem obsessed with woke culture. Good
>>153968691I feel like he was intentionally made an absolute retard, because even an idiot could win with the Butterfly and Peacock.
>>153968986He got greedy. Simple as that.
>>153970234The grief and fatal injuries near the end didn't help either.
>>153970234I get that, but the fact is that his 2 Miraculous are so much more powerful than any other it's not even fair. Not to mention how many times Ladybug wins solely because the plot demands her to.Even if we make the argument that, from the beginning, Gabriel could only use the Butterfly due to the Peacock being dead, he STILL smashes all other powers. The Butterfly can basically clone any power, including that of other miraculous holders, and he can pull Catalyst shenanigans. He could have had Nathalie do some kind of spying for him, willing to be akumatized is a valid emotion. There are so many creative ways the power can be granted to you that the fact Hawk Moth loses is nonsensical unless he is braindead. Timebreaker alone should have proved to him he can just fuck with the heroes.If you factor in the Peacock, then Gabriel can:>Create sentient life that MUST obey him>Any power including that of other Miraculous holders>Can look like a normal human>Can act like a normal human>Could have a power that activates by being near them in the vein of risk>Multiple Optigamis, or otherwise multiple spy-like creations.It just seems unlikely if he even thought about it - and even if Gabriel didn't, Nathalie should have.
>>153967813The rest of the Miraculous users suck ass but they can easily be ignored for the sake of Gabriel and seeing where his story goes.
>>153968483He had to find people he could easily manipulate and control and the powers would often have to be related to their issues he was taking advantage of. It makes sense when dealing with random Akumatizations of the week. But when dealing with his own Akumatization and Akumatizing Nathalie there really wasn't any excuse since he can sculpt his own and her powers as he wanted. It's a weakness of his powers that makes sense for storytelling but it does make him look stupid.
>>153971204Considering how powerful he is, he can also just upset people massively, which especiallt later on he's shown to do frequently, often pissing people off as a civillian just to get an akumatization off. Considering his wealth and influence, he could easily ruin someone's life then akumatize them into some uber-powerful creation. I guess the risk of getting Chat Blanc'd is real though.And yeah, while he has struggles just with the butterfly, there is really no reason why he shouldn't win with the peacock. Or hell the other miraculoses. Sublimation even with limits is broken. Genesis can summon any mundane object (he used this for a meteor, who knows what else). But I guess the show needs to exist
>>153970729The time when he got the Rabbit, he had multiple chances to fix whatever problems he had with reviving his wife, but he didn't give a fuck about ANYTHING except getting the Ladybug and Black Cat. At that point, sheer greed for power was his only motivation left.
>>153967102Voltron legendary defender
Someone on Twitter said that the show would have been better is Rebecca Sugar or Lauren Faust had created it instead. Do you think it would have been better with either of them or someone else?
>>153967418Why's she such a simp
Someone on Twitter said that the show would have been better if Rebecca Sugar or Lauren Faust had created it instead. Do you think it would have been better with either of them or someone else running the show?
>>153971589It's lame but I think its all supposed to be explained by the ladybug Miraculous just twisting fate over and over so that Ladybug can't ever actually permanently lose. A lot of the time Gabriel makes choices that make sense and should win him both Miraculous but then because of plot fuckery he just doesn't. It's stupid but it makes sense since otherwise there wouldn't be anything past the first season. Hell, the first few episodes.
>>153972330>>153972343Fucking spelling mistakes.
>>153972330>>153972343Yes. AssTruck fucking sucks. I can't imagine anyone else having ran the show worse than him.
>>153972330If Rebecca Sugar made the show, nobody would watch it except for terminally online weirdos, just like Steven Universe. Maybe Lauren Faust but she never work in a show beyond one season
>>153972361>Wanting a fat Marinette and Adrien turning into a black bulldykeFuck off
>>153972527Faggot, AssTruck was and is already adding more and more of that shit to the show himself. There would be no difference if someone else had ran the show.
>>153972572Marinette and Adrien are still attractive. There's only one fat chick in Ladybug and it's a tertiary character. Granted, Astruc turned Rose into a dyke but she's literally dying. And I don't remember any trans representation
>>153972439I think it’s because of circumstances: she wants to work on her own IPs.
>>153973026The entertainment industry value to be reliable. Astruc produced six seasons so far without scandals besides the chloefags so that make him valuable to the industry. Lauren Faust has the horse show but she's too opiniated for the execs
>>153973072I hear Faust just wants to do her own thing. I’d get it: I’d go crazy if I were to do just existing IPs with nothing else to show for it.So if not her, then who else should? And preferably from Europe, mind you.
Chloe did NOTHING wrong.
>>153967102it's funny how everyone liked the movie more than the show
>>153972330However anyone feels about Astruc, he created the show and it's his. I'm kind of disturbed by this Robin Hooding idea that the world would be better if people didn't own the fruits of their labor.
>>153974737It condensed 5 seasons and 10 years down to one movie
>>153974737the movie was complete dogshit.
>>153967403I was a Gabefag, with my Gabriel love peaking with Gorizilla, and would not recommend anything after season 2. I had the smallest hope that Gabe suddenly not caring for his son at all after season 2 might be justified by a revelation that he planned to sacrifice himself to bring back Emilie, thus he was deliberately acting like a monster so Adrien wouldn't have to miss him after he was gone. But no, just like Chloe, Gabriel simply randomly turned into pure evil with none of the vulnerabilities that made him interesting and endearing as a villain. Fuck this show.
>>153974844The thing is as much of a tit as Astruc is, the show is the way it is because of him. A lot of the good stuff included. Look at how shit DC Super Hero Girls was to see how badly Lauren Faust would bungle this kind of show
New haunted chibi:https://youtu.be/k8saTqKx3Js
>>153976352When are we getting Chibi Rose x Chibi Juleka writers
>>153976518I think in the Papercutz graphic novels.
>>153967102>Wah! Wah! Wah! It doesn't pander to my political agenda, so I hate it!You don't like it, don't watch it.
>>153967102>RAPED WOKE WOKE SLOP RAPEDchange the fucking disc
>>153967102>could have beenAnd you could have rememnbered to add a title to your miserable thread.
>>153972332Probably because Gabe and Natalie have gone through hell together during their adventuring days and she developed feelings >REAL answerNatalie is a spinster and wants what she can't have
>>153976798>>153976701>>153976680>this nigga samefagged 3 times they were so mad about me insulting their favourite showGenuinely embarrasing.
>>153972623I mean the show has:Juleka (dyke)Rose (bisexual turned dyke)Sabrina (heavily implied dyke)Mylene (not a dyke but a dyke enthusiast, and also fat)Zoe (dyke)Kagami (partial dyke)The teacher and her BNWO GF (dykes)Nathalie (Partial dyke)Tomoe (Hates men - potential Dyke)Tomoe's mother (Dyke)The dyke ratio in this show is quite high
>>153977458>Kagami (partial dyke)>Nathalie (Partial dyke)>Tomoe (Hates men - potential Dyke)>Tomoe's mother (Dyke)you're making shit up. plus the only actual dyke you mentioned are tertiary characters. stay mad and go back to dyke burger shows.
>>153977866Kagamis grandmother has a gf she lives with
>>153977999indeed I forgot about that one, the others are still made up tho.
>>153978051I think we have to keep in mind what Elaine Benes said about stuff like this.
>>153977458Astruc is a yurifag. I bet he'll transition in a couple of years
>Chloéfags falseflagging as /pol/tards seething about the least pozzed animated series in current yearyou gotta give it to them, they're relentless.
>>153967102>was turned into woke slopyeah and its still good
>>153967403>The best character was GabrielTrue
>>153972332She saw Gabriel's dick one time and cannot stop thinking about it
>>153967813>>153971141>>153975310I often see such opinions, but I literally don't understand it For me Lady Bug became good at the end of season 4. I like season 5-6 much more than the first 3 seasons. Even discussing why seems silly to meThe first 3 didn't literally have a plot, it's jsut limitless filler. Sometimes the characters did something unusual, but everything quickly returned to the status quo. Btw, the status quo has become a problem for Chloe. Of course Thomas hates her, but if Chloe had changed in season 5-6, she wouldn't have become bad againSeason 5-6 is absolutely about the plot, they break the status quoI like this one scene more than the whole 1-2 seasons https://youtube.com/shorts/dqPdPl_72c4?si=EANOX67xFJy46MQi
>>153967379If this trash is, by proof, number one, then nuke the entire world already
Hawkmoth vs the MonarchWho is the better butterfly themed villain?
>>153980916I'm sure Kim Jong Un has better cartoons.
>>153967102I havent watched after they revealed that Adrien is a sentimonster I dont even remember what season that was Is the series still going and if so how?has anything changed?
>>153972332Gabriel remind Nathalie to her father
>>153972332She's a cuck who wanted to get together with Emilie and settled for Gabriel after she died.
>>153981784Marinet and Adrien fuck each other
>>153981896>Marinet and Adrien fuck each otherAs in they have sex or they are datingIts a french show i can belive them fuckingAlso do they know of each others identy?
>>153981896Considering Adrien is a family-friendly ubermensch, he must have an insane stamina and a humongous cock
>>153981896Did you see Marinette? Girl would faint and run away as soon as any kind of sex talk starts. She also would never let Adrien see her naked outside total darkness
>>153980823Because Season 2 had just the right level of plot to keep things interesting while just letting anything happen. Then Asstruck nuked it in Season 3 thinking he could be a clever writer.
>the 2010sIt's been 6 years since hte 2010s ended, when did the first cartoon pilot of ladybug come out?
>>153982293I don't care if he clever or not. It's enough for me that this cartoon is different from the others
>>15398232420 years in the making
>Has no biological relation to Adrien, would still die for him>Only person who does not lie to him (because he isn't aware and he speaks no lies)>Fully supports Adrien's relationship>So valuable as a bodyguard Gabriel traded the PEACOCK for his services>Collects action figures (true loser)The best character in the show. Arguably should just be Adrien's father.
>>153982790God 2012 is so good, along with old Adrien and his kino dual personality.
Would the series be better if Marinette and Adrien swapped kwami and instead of a neurotic mess Marinette was a little shit (whose still a neurotic mess because she's more catlike)
nooooooooooooo
>>153983686PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP
>>153982866He's literally Adrien's only friend.
>>153983781Its not true
>>153972332She wants him to be her Sugar Daddy but Gabriel is into necrophilia
>>153982293nta, I'll give you S3 but have you watched beyond that? 4 and 5 are actually my favorite seasons
>>153983844Nino doesn't count
>>153971707I headcanon he decided it would be killing "his" Amelie if he went back in time and changed things even if it would seem like the same to him that's why he needed to focus on the Ladybug and Black Cat so he could just bring her back.
>>153972330No
>>153976680Pretty rich
>>153980823>The first 3 didn't literally have a plotIt did. At least two and three did but one had a bit as well. If you didn't see it then I don't think you were paying attention while watching.
>>153967403No reason to watch after the movie.
>>153983686>It's raping time
>>153983361If Mariness had the cat miraculous, people would die.
>>153983686how did she even lose her clothes
>>153986262It's official comic btw You can read it
>>153986262>Marinette's class was at the beach for some swimming, but Chloe stole her clothes while she was changing>An Akuma appears and Marinette transforms to fight him. After that fight, she and Chat are teleported to New York City to fight another Akuma>Her Miraculous powers down shortly after arrival, leaving her naked in NYC
>>153986359...the french are some freaky fuckswe may share a lot in common
>>153981966She's mindbreak fodder. However much she panics, she'll enjoy doing whatever Adrien wants.
>>153986404goooooooooooooooooooooooooood
>>153986538It doesn't turn out like you think it does. The black thugs she encounters are actually relief workers moving medical supplies to heavily-wrecked areas and give her some food and clothes out of charity (with zero rape involved), because Astruc was trying to do a "don't judge by appearances" moral. The readers didn't buy into it at all.>>153986359You're probably better off not reading it. It was so crappy that Astruc decanonized it (despite having written the script) and later made the NYC special episode to replace it.
>>153986619boooooothe next page should've been her covered in cum
>>153981784I think that was Season 5, though it was hinted for a while—arguably as early as Season 1.
>>153986619the average redditor chimped out over this comic when it came out because they can't read the subtext. The entire point was you were meant to not judge them for looking thuggish but retards went "THEY ARE MOCKING BLACK PEOPLE FOR LOOKING LIKE THUGS!!" ironically, that just made them look racist as they assumed all tough looking black men are evil
>>153986619Marinette should have stayed naked for the rest of the comic and had to continuously hide/involuntarily expose herself to various onlookers throughout the story except for when transformed as Ladybug complete with a moment where she had to talk to Adrien while cowering behind a plant and sure to bring unable to resist dropping her spaghetti turns when his panicked offer to buy her clothes and fly her home on his private jet by insisting she's on some type of short term cultural exchange program for the weekend and is engaging in her host families practice of new age full body sunbath jogging to get the most out of her brief NYC experience and not to worry about her to which he responds: "You're so open minded and cultured, Marinette. O.K. well, see you at school!" then walks away.
>>153987256If only they just hired you as a writer...
>>153986894I thought the problem was that approaching guys who looked like thugs went against basic survival instincts.I mean, I understand the "don't judge a book by its cover" message, but that message is too optimistic for the real world where 99% of people do act the way they look.
>>153987256the best part is with how they portray Adrien as sheltered in the show he would believe this
>>153987774the sentimonster theory turned out to be real?
>>153982866>Gabriel traded the PEACOCK for his servicesTo who?
>>153987996Felix's dad
>>153986619>despite having written the scriptNo he didn't, retard. He's not credited in it at all.
>>153988327Was that in a season six episode?
>>153988577It was in Felix and Kagami's mask story. They said Gabe traded the peacock to Colt for his strongest knight or something. Knight being metaphor for bodyguard.
>>153988617Oh, ok. I completely forgot that. Honestly that whole episode was kind of mediocre for just telling everyone what most of the fandom had already theorized.
>>153988652>mostNo the fandom was pretty split on sentitheory back then
>>153988709Not it wasn't. Even Gloob was making fun of how obvious it was with their commercials and social media stuff. Everyone knew.
>>153988963Revisionism
>>153967379Actually it's #2. Spongebob is #1 but nothing can compare to Spongebob
>>153987800Adrien, Felix and Kagami are all sentimonsters. Ladybug was all along a dark retelling of Pinocchio
>>153987800Yes. Adrien, felix, and kagami are all sentimonsters. Adrien has his own amok now in the rings he inherited from his dad.
>>153990974what in the fuck
>>153990998Adrien doesn't know. He also doesn't know his dad was monarch because ladybug lied and said his defeated monarch and died being a hero
>>153990998We also got Tomoe (in some random cave while wearing sexy orientalist clothing) using the peacock to create Kagami in Season 6. That's how she lost her eyesight btw
>>153972332She saw Gabriel and she said "I can fix him"
>>153991178>>153991288bro what the fuck
>>153991459Also you know how in Feast during the news about the temple reappering it showed Gabe+Nathalie, Tomoe and Audrey listening in?Yeah so they are actually part of some rich people's Illuminati called The Kingdom>Gabe was The Diamond (King of Luxury)>Tomoe is The Machine>Nathalie was The Diamond's shadow and now works for The Machine>Nathalie's Dad (named Camilo Pastila?) is also one of the members, and Nathalie is actually working for him >We don't know who Audrey is but her son Noe (YES Chloe has a brother) is part of the Kingdom succeeding Gabe as the Diamond
>>153967102>wokeRightard fascist twit. Get EBOLA and die horribly.
>>153991715dude what the fuck
>>153991792Shit's wild.
>>153991815Need a new character? No problem, just introduce yet another Audrey's kid.Like... This really puts her relationship with André into a wholly new perspective. No wonder the guy clings to the memory of his movie before his wife started sleeping around. And it's all accidental and Astruc never thought about it and will refuse to acknowledge how fucked their whole family is.
>>153991949Noe is actually older than Chloe and Zoe, bro is a businessman for the family conglomerate (and responsible for Chloe becoming a successful influencer)
>>153991815>>153992432I swear to god if they show Noe or Audrey holding Chloe's teddy bear in the future and she obeys their every command I'm gonna fucking blow my brains out.If it is Astucks sneaky plan all along to be like "Chloe will never change" not because of her own personal choices and experiences but because she literally can't change because she has no free will because she's a sentibeing and was created purposely as a pawn for her mother and the kingdom I'm gonna be so fucking pissed.
>>153992739Frankly, I think there are just too many Sentimonster humans running around.
>>153992739I feel like they'll make one of them a Sentimonster. Considering they rub hands a lot with Gabriel.I think they'll jerk Astruc's Chloe hate boner off and make it so she was a senti controlled by Audrey, then she gets her item back and shes still evil as proof she literally does not change because the writers are fucked.The only issue is the logistics of Audrey creating sentimonsters isn't ideal. Noe is far older than Kagami/Adrien/Felix (seems to be mid 20s) to the point they wouldn't have found the Peacock by that point which indicates hes biological or was created as like, a 10 year old. If he was made first, people woulda realized the cost of using the Peacock and stopped.Considering Audrey doesn't seem to be dying though, she likely got someone else to make them, and might not have told anyone this thing kills because she's evil.Chloe makes the most sense as she would have been made at the same time as Kagami and Adrien. Zoe seems unlikely because by that point they'd have realized the harm of the Peacock, and I don't know why Audrey would even need a third child.
>>153992739Offtopic but speaking of plushies, Adrien now has one that was a gift from Gabe back when he was like 6, Papa Corn
>>153993112Forgot pic>>153992814>Considering Audrey doesn't seem to be dying thoughAstruc did explain that whenever the broken peacock was used, the organ related to the emotion the senti was created would fail. Some were fatal some were notEmilie created Adrien with Love so her heart started failing then died. Colt probably was the brain or something fatal as well since he also died. Meanwhile you got Tomoe who only had her eyes affected but otherwise lived. So Audrey might've sacrificed something minorAnd then you got Nathalie spamming sentis in season 3. Multiple organs were failing her by that point
