Rewatching Avatar again I couldn’t help but to think of something. Has the Dai Li remained loyal I think there’s a good chance Long Feng would’ve won the war.Let’s assume the following.>His men remained loyal and the Fire Nation Trio were captured.>The Trio are Brainwashed.>Team Avatar are defeated at Ba Sing Se ending with them, and the Earth King, flying away on Appa and Aang being revived.All things being true, Long Feng’s coup is successful and the Earth Kingdom’s generals are under house arrest. He’d now be privy to the Day of the Black Sun invasion and would now have true control of the Earth Kingdom’s armies. This being the case, I’m of the opinion that he’d go through with the invasion plan and he’d have a bit more of an advantage. For one, naturally, he’d have much more resources so the invasion could be waged on a much larger scale and probably could be made in tandem with a diversionary offensive into the Colonies. In addition to this, the Fire Nation would not have forewarning of the invasion so they wouldn’t be as prepared. Lastly, in theory anyway, if the trio are Brainwashed he could not only gain reconnaissance from them but they can also act as a fifth column leading up to the invasion. That said, there may be a few hiccups.>Team Avatar is still at large and, naturally, probably wouldn’t be too keen with Long Feng after his Coup.>The Earth King is still alive and could pose a threat to his legitimacy.>The Fire Nation still has airships. Brainwashed Azula, of course, could warn Long Feng about them but even with the information I’m not sure how he could account for them.Do you think he could pull it off? Also, depending on when the Fire Nation Trio are brainwashed, in this turn of events Iroh and Zuko may still be working in their new Tea Shop.
I dunno man I kinda have to take a shit
Maybe, idk, one things for sure. Long Feng would have a harem of the best girls as sex slaves
>>153969173Wait, I’m confused, Suki would still be on the Boiling Rock so how would Feng have a Harem of the best girls?
>>153969101I suppose the real wild card would be brainwashed Azula. I don’t think that she could defeat her father in a genuine combat scenario but she could really help the invaders with info. For example, even without knowing of the invasion well in advance, it is still likely that Ozai would, during the invasion, retreat into his Volcano compound. Not only would a brainwashed Azula tell the invaders that the compound exists but, also, where Ozai would be located within it. As soon as the eclipse is finished, however, I’m not sure how they can keep Ozai in captivity. I suppose they could kill him, but then they’d have to deal with a counter offensive. Maybe, perhaps, if they manage to kill Ozai without revealing their hand they can put Azula on the throne after. That way Long Feng controls the Fire Nation through his puppet which could be his leverage to end the war that way or, if more beneficial, keep it going more as a farce than a legitimate geopolitical struggle.
>>153969101I can’t prove it but I think this is a stealth fetish post by OP and that he was inspired by this particular image
Bump, this is a good post.Personally I think he’d find the whole invasion a waste of time considering the time allotted wherein the Fire Nation loses their bending.
>>153969101I don't think he would have the ambition to invade the fire nation proper, I don't see why he would actually be motivated to end the war entirely.However, I definitely think he would take the opportunity to launch offensives during the invasion to retake Earth Kingdom territory. Particularly Omashu and the naval base around the serpent's pass.
>>153969101People are really into the idea of brainwashed Azula but I think the moment he tried to pull a fast one on the Firelord he would kill Azula just to show he doesn't care and continue with his plans regardless.The Dai Li forte wasn't direct confrontation, if faced head first by empowered Fire nation blimps it's over.And yes I don't think brainwashed Azula matter at all, information is pointless against a completely superior force especially if they themselves kill your VIP hostages and I don't doubt for a minute daddy fire lord wouldn't just kill Azula for a display of force.
>>153969101I think he'd need extra motivation to go use the Day of Black Sun, he seemed content to simply cling to his power within the walls as long as possible and play things safe - even despite the fact the Fire Nation's drill almost succeeded.
>>153969101He might be able to retake some cities and secure some battlelines, but he's still fucked when Ozai harnesses Sozin's Comet.
>>153969101Probably not at least from his own efforts. He is not a war general or tactician. He just lords over his personal sandbox. His success would pretty much be dependent on the brainwashed Azula carrying him in this scenario since she carried Team Ozai too.Smarter move would be collaborating with Team Avatar too if he actually wanted to win the war
>>153969101Fuck no, the war was over the moment he decided to launch the coup. The Earth Kingdom's military would be in disarray from all the top generals getting disappeared and there'd be revolts all over the country. The Fire Nation would be absolutely feasting, while the Dai Li simply doesn't have the reach to reassert control before the Comet. An organized invasion would be all but impossible. Too many plates to spin and Long Feng simply isn't that bold to start with. Instead he'd probably plan an assassination attempt to throw the Fire Nation into chaos and give him some breathing room. But fuck, that's a real all or nothing bet with the Comet looming.
>>153969101My question is why did the Dai Li just allow her to take over the city? Okay, so she outsmarted Long Feng, but that's no reason to just give the city to her and basically let the Fire Nation win the war. They should have buried her on the fucking spot the moment she showed up.
>>153969101I don't think he ever wanted to even take part in the war. He was more than content just ruling over everything in Ba Sing Se.
>>153973590I don’t think, given the scenario, he’d have Azula just attack Ozai in a head to head confrontation. In fact, if Jet is any indicator, she’d probably act almost identically as she usually does perhaps just with a trigger that makes pass information along without her remembering it and being ineffectual against Earthbenders. She’d wouldn’t know she’s fumbling against them and it’ll drive her insane. Ozai would legitimately be none the wiser and, if anything, would probably be more inclined to exile her for continued failure if, indeed, he’s not deposed during the invasion.>Head on confrontation is not the Dai Li’s forte No one is saying otherwise. Long Feng wouldn’t use them during the invasion, he’d use normal Earth Kingdom soldiers for the invasion, just like Team Avatar did in the actual show.>Information is worthless against a superior forceNo? While, sure, it’s not like the Earth Kingdom was at parity with the Fire Nation the Capital defense force nonetheless had trouble with a smaller force in the show.
>>153975915Yeah I never really got why they just defected too. They probably should’ve built that up more.>>153974457I don’t think they’d be in that much disarray following the Generals being captured. Assuming they don’t just brainwash the generals after, which they probably could, Long Feng could just appoint loyalist nobles to the post of which they’re no shortage of within Ba Sing Se. Would there be a revolt? I don’t really think so, for one, they control the information so even if they don’t just brainwash the Generals they can have it so that the news of their arrest doesn’t escape the Walls. An assassination attempt could, positively, work but even still I think it’ll involve an invasion if for nothing else other than a feint to lure Ozai into the compound.>>153974053I’d concede to the smarter move would’ve been collaborating with Team Avatar. Additionally, yes, he’s not a tactician but it’s not as though he would be deprived access to tacticians. Even absent of the generals he arrested they’re, no doubt, high ranking Earth Kingdom commanders that could advise or draft a war plan for him.
>>153977326I like how one fic had the Dai Li also betraying Azula and then making Long Feng into a fall guy.
>>153977490What’s the fic called?
>>153977490>fall guyTo fucking who?
>>153977587Tale of the Lower Ringao3.works/79338416/It's a what if fic where Jin doesn't let Zuko run away causing them to deepen their relationship.
>>153977677The public of Ba Sing Se.They create a false narrative where the coup was foiled by earth kingdom loyalists within the Dai Li.It wasn't their original plan, but Azula got injured during the battle in the catacombs since Zuko wasn't around to back her up. The Dai Li's hands were forced after a lone agent sensed weakness and attacked her, pointing out that Azula would never fully trust them and they'd be purged after she took control. They decide to take Azula and her friends into custody and use them as a bargaining chip with the Fire Nation.
>>153969101Moving the earth armies from Ba Sing Se to the fire nation would take years. It would take months just to plan the supply chain and marching routes. Then months of slow marching through mostly hostile territory.
>>153977738Can you post another link? The one you have doesn’t work
>>153975915>Be Dai Li>Leader decides to fuck with the Avatar because... uh...>Avatar proceeds to steamroll through your secret base the second he gets a hint about it>Lose the one piece of leverage you had over him>He proceeds to steamroll his way into an audience with the king>Convinces the king to jail your leader within a day>Jailed leader tells you to put a teenage girl from a hostile nation in charge and launch a coup>She does a better job leading than the old guy and the coup goes off without a hitch>Once you and the princess have done all the hard work, the old guy walks in and expects everyone to immediately kneel to himAt that point, why would you still listen to Long Feng? If you had loyalty to the Earth Kingdom, you wouldn't have gone along with the coup in the first place. Once the coup was done, your best chance at survival was sticking with Azula.
>>153979577Good point, I didn’t think about it like that before
>>153977326>I don’t think they’d be in that much disarray following the Generals being captured. Assuming they don’t just brainwash the generals after, which they probably could, Long Feng could just appoint loyalist nobles to the post of which they’re no shortage of within Ba Sing Se.All of the top generals going missing for weeks in the middle of an ongoing war isn't negligible. The armies would still be carrying on business as normal for a while, but a sudden change in leadership wouldn't sit well. It's a major shake up during a critical period in the war.>Would there be a revolt? I don’t really think so, for one, they control the information so even if they don’t just brainwash the Generals they can have it so that the news of their arrest doesn’t escape the Walls.Information about Long Feng's arrest would have already gotten out during his time in jail and the OP concedes Team Avatar still being loose. Trying to get back control of the narrative wouldn't be trivial. The Earth Kingdom is already not terribly cohesive. Once the idea that word from Ba Sing Se can't be trusted gets out, things will get messy.
>>153978512replace ao3 with archiveofourown in the link
>>153979577At the end of the day, it's still treason. Maybe they should have removed Long Feng from power before he stepped too far out of line.
Bump
>>153983354You live by the Glowie, you die by the Glowie.
>>153985649Glowie as an archetype and not a modern phenomenon is crazy
>>153983354Really it's all Kyoshi's fault for making them in the first place. She saw an unpopular Earth King and a peasant revolt and said "What this situation really needs is a third party of unaccountable secret police".
